This guy is great! This video made me laugh! And more importantly there really is an important thing going on here! COPYRIGHT is what it's all about! We all need to fight against COPYLEFT as ARTISTS and pull together! It's no joke! MUSIC COUNTS! Actors get paid, Sports Players get paid, songwriters need to still get paid!!!! RIGHT ON!
As AoDIronMask says, music is infinite. Creative content comes from people from ASCAP as well as those Creative Commons people you seem not to agree with. Nowadays, there's other things that you can do with music to better connect with fans and give them reasons to buy than suing the places that people like to hang out at, as ASCAP is want to do.
okay ASCAP, you help the music giants stop their reckless spending of hundreds of thousands of dollars in litigation to chase down pennies, and then perhaps people will take your pathetic pleas for money a bit more seriously. we are entering an era where media exposure can be free, and that frightens you.
1) But milk and eggs are a tangible, scarce good. Music is intangible and infinite until it is placed on a physical, scarce medium.
2) Radio stations already have agreements/payment schemes that allow them to advertise your music. Playing a radio station isn't a "performance" at all. It is simply "free advertising".
Well, don't those animals get food and shelter? Guess that's not considered payment. The animals must think they deserve free food and shelter for no work - just like ASCAP...
milk and eggs = artistic content (music in this instance)
The cow & chicken are complaining about people taking their stuff for free. Now in most intstances, the person who takes a cow's milk or a chicken's eggs is the farmer. A farmer typically represents big business, in this case we'll say the record companies.
So what this video is saying is that ASCAP exists to get the record companies to pay artist for their music??
When has ASCAP supported anyone? I mean really? They spend their time going after coffeeshops, the Girl Scouts, and any venue that doesn't pay them through their extortion-like schemes. So young musicians aren't as protected as older ones and have less venues to play. Also when your top boss has gone on record for saying "you need to make a hit for us to notice you" there's obviously something wrong with the system. Fair doesn't begin to describe the scam that is ASCAP.
So... you're saying we need to head to the nearest farm or dairy concern and pay the cows and chickens for the eggs and milk we already paid for at the store?
Or is the farmer the middleman? Do we pay him and then possibly, if he has any leftover after paying his team of litigious farmhands, he passes a little bit on to his exploited animals?
Or is this a revisionist "Animal Farm" wherein the animals are exploited by the commie idea of "sharing?"
... its a "Song Farm" where the music makers are exploited by p2p nets, googles and other global entities to enhance there digital offerings with little regard to royalty compensation. Imagine a world without creative content....or a matrix like world where the creatives are like batteries....drained only for there art to enhance a society of informal's .....
Well, that's a really weird analogy. So what you're saying is that creative people are being held against their will, forced to crank out tune after tune that never gets paid for.
And the solution is to join ASCAP, so that your milk/egg money can be retrieved from thieving radio stations, bar owners, the Girl Scouts, people singing Happy Birthday, small businesses who turn up their radios too loud, animal shelters, police stations,etc.? Is that about right?
Part 1.....One can imagine many possible analogies to justify free creative content for there own selfish wants and desires. A few pennies here and there has helped many artist, buy food, pay rent, see a doctor, buy a car, maybe even help put their children through school. When you pump gas a filling station, have you ever noticed the tax distribution, or ever wondered how many billions of dollars a few oil monopolies make.
Your shout-out to the ever-popular punching bag, Big Evil Oil notwithstanding, I'm not denying that artists should be paid for their work or that file-sharing, etc. has greatly diminished that earning.
My argument is with ASCAP, whose efforts are, at best, woefully misguided. Their efforts tend to border on extortion, via threatening letters and phone calls and their ever-expanding definition of "public performance" is ridiculous.
Part 2....All these artist are asking for is a few pennies on a couple of pieces of creative art so they too can be proud citizens of society, making a decent living and live with dignity like most people who earn a living by doing what they are capable of doing. Is that to much to ask?.
For example, their incredibly high streaming audio fees are one of the main reasons WOXY FM shut down. With their short-sighted, profit-motivated efforts, ASCAP (and BMI) managed to kill off one of the most influential internet radio stations, one that broke several new independent artists.
Well, it's gone now and so is one more way for your music to get heard. As ASCAP's efforts increase, expect many more creative outlets to die off.
....I started my business with $500 dollars in 1980, built it up while paying taxes, rent, so on. Everything comes with a price..trying to get a free pass to avoid paying for inventory, regardless of its nature, is the wrong model to run a business. Don't blame ASCAP for a poorly implemented & funded business model. Know your responsibilities and obligations if you wish to compete on a equal playing field. Don't run before you can walk. Peace to you.
The issue isn't the built-in costs. The issue is with the steadily increasing costs as ASCAP, BMI, etc. try to make up for lost revenue by taking it out on those still paying.
And they love to double-dip. They're already collecting royalties from radio but now they want to collect royalties from businesses with employees who listen to the radio at work, calling it "public performance." That's a bold, dishonest attempt to grab the same money twice.
...what differentiates a night club, retail store, hamburger stand or office...playing music as entertainment for the enjoyment of customers and employees?..if its piped in for all to hear its the same, however, listening to ones own Iphone, ipod type device is exempt. There are gray areas they should consider if they are doubled in collection fees, know one likes to be double taxed. Tax code is way to complicated. Sorry, I'm not an attorney or CPA...
Let me get this straight... You believe that a business which is playing a radio, featuring a station that pays royalties, should pay performance royalties as well? Yeah lets shut off the radio's and let radio stations go out of business because no one is listening to their advertising so they can't pay the royalties to keep the station going.
This is a greedy exploitation. As an artist, I would rather have my work stolen then participate in this kind of "legal" extortion.
....I guess you didn't read what I said about the gray areas that are doubled in collection fees...no one wants to pay double on what has already been paid.
Most of the following comments are from Copyleft, creative commons advocates and free downloaders who would steal form anyone if they could get away with it.
Creative Content is not a right you can just have for free, it's a privilege to honor and support those who's creative works we enjoy by paying tribute.
@oceanairman Aren't they already getting paid for what they do? If you buy a CD, do they not get a share. I mean of course after the record label takes there big cut.
Besides if anyone pays this group, how much of what ever money comes in does the artist really get?
@oceanairman So the record companies keep the artists locked up and force them to make tune after tune? And they don't pay the artists. Those bastards!!!!
@capitalistliontamer Well, think about this way. The farmer owes the chicken and the cows. He takes there milk/eggs, and sells them. So I think what there trying to say is the record companies are the farmers and the artists are the cows and chickens, so the record companies owe the artists. But if artists are chickens and cows what do they need money for? But then again, the cows and chickens are most likely to be eaten. So Does that mean we need to eat the artists? I'm confused.
This guy is great! This video made me laugh! And more importantly there really is an important thing going on here! COPYRIGHT is what it's all about! We all need to fight against COPYLEFT as ARTISTS and pull together! It's no joke! MUSIC COUNTS! Actors get paid, Sports Players get paid, songwriters need to still get paid!!!! RIGHT ON!
CandyAppleBlueTV 1 year ago
This is really an important message!!!!!!!!!
UncleBobTV 1 year ago
stick to music pete.
MightyZoom 1 year ago
god. even as a current member of ascap, I hate to think that someone was actually paid to make this video.
atveres 1 year ago
@oceanairman
As AoDIronMask says, music is infinite. Creative content comes from people from ASCAP as well as those Creative Commons people you seem not to agree with. Nowadays, there's other things that you can do with music to better connect with fans and give them reasons to buy than suing the places that people like to hang out at, as ASCAP is want to do.
Jyagos1 1 year ago
okay ASCAP, you help the music giants stop their reckless spending of hundreds of thousands of dollars in litigation to chase down pennies, and then perhaps people will take your pathetic pleas for money a bit more seriously. we are entering an era where media exposure can be free, and that frightens you.
joewhittles 1 year ago
Ass Cap :D
oMrCKo 1 year ago
@oMrCKo Butt Plug :D
airfoobar 1 year ago
1) But milk and eggs are a tangible, scarce good. Music is intangible and infinite until it is placed on a physical, scarce medium.
2) Radio stations already have agreements/payment schemes that allow them to advertise your music. Playing a radio station isn't a "performance" at all. It is simply "free advertising".
AoDIronMask 1 year ago
This is the stupidest video of all time.
neolucidity 1 year ago 3
holy s@%t!
Stupid has just been redefined!
crucible1010 1 year ago 7
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crucible1010 1 year ago
Stupid analogy is stupid.
fishbolt 1 year ago 4
Well, don't those animals get food and shelter? Guess that's not considered payment. The animals must think they deserve free food and shelter for no work - just like ASCAP...
johnmcboston 1 year ago 2
I know, I know. Wishful thinking right?
angal2 1 year ago
So if I understand the analogies correctly:
cow and chicken = artists
milk and eggs = artistic content (music in this instance)
The cow & chicken are complaining about people taking their stuff for free. Now in most intstances, the person who takes a cow's milk or a chicken's eggs is the farmer. A farmer typically represents big business, in this case we'll say the record companies.
So what this video is saying is that ASCAP exists to get the record companies to pay artist for their music??
angal2 1 year ago
ASCAP has been doing stupid shite to artists for years. Finally they're getting their come-uppance.
Rvlouie 1 year ago
this is the most hilariously stupid thing I have ever seen from ASCAP.
bakasin 1 year ago
They don't have time to debate w/Lawrence Lessig but they have time to make these shitty movies? Nice job, guys.
BlaBlaBlu3fish 1 year ago
When has ASCAP supported anyone? I mean really? They spend their time going after coffeeshops, the Girl Scouts, and any venue that doesn't pay them through their extortion-like schemes. So young musicians aren't as protected as older ones and have less venues to play. Also when your top boss has gone on record for saying "you need to make a hit for us to notice you" there's obviously something wrong with the system. Fair doesn't begin to describe the scam that is ASCAP.
Jyagos1 1 year ago 2
Did ASCAP get a license to use the toy animals in this video? I think the manufacturer deserves "fair" payment for their use in this video.
Kitchensink108 1 year ago 2
@Kitchensink108 Very true.
rudyiking 1 year ago
This is misleading and retarded.
Is ASCAP still trying to sell its "Creative Commons is killing copyright" BS?
airfoobar 1 year ago 4
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airfoobar 1 year ago
Dude clip your nails!
ender1183 1 year ago
This is awesome!
3nCounting 1 year ago
This is great ; ) Love it!
McNaryMusic 1 year ago
So... you're saying we need to head to the nearest farm or dairy concern and pay the cows and chickens for the eggs and milk we already paid for at the store?
Or is the farmer the middleman? Do we pay him and then possibly, if he has any leftover after paying his team of litigious farmhands, he passes a little bit on to his exploited animals?
Or is this a revisionist "Animal Farm" wherein the animals are exploited by the commie idea of "sharing?"
capitalistliontamer 1 year ago 2
@capitalistliontamer
... its a "Song Farm" where the music makers are exploited by p2p nets, googles and other global entities to enhance there digital offerings with little regard to royalty compensation. Imagine a world without creative content....or a matrix like world where the creatives are like batteries....drained only for there art to enhance a society of informal's .....
oceanairman 1 year ago
@oceanairman
Well, that's a really weird analogy. So what you're saying is that creative people are being held against their will, forced to crank out tune after tune that never gets paid for.
And the solution is to join ASCAP, so that your milk/egg money can be retrieved from thieving radio stations, bar owners, the Girl Scouts, people singing Happy Birthday, small businesses who turn up their radios too loud, animal shelters, police stations,etc.? Is that about right?
capitalistliontamer 1 year ago
@capitalistliontamer
Part 1.....One can imagine many possible analogies to justify free creative content for there own selfish wants and desires. A few pennies here and there has helped many artist, buy food, pay rent, see a doctor, buy a car, maybe even help put their children through school. When you pump gas a filling station, have you ever noticed the tax distribution, or ever wondered how many billions of dollars a few oil monopolies make.
oceanairman 1 year ago
@oceanairman
Your shout-out to the ever-popular punching bag, Big Evil Oil notwithstanding, I'm not denying that artists should be paid for their work or that file-sharing, etc. has greatly diminished that earning.
My argument is with ASCAP, whose efforts are, at best, woefully misguided. Their efforts tend to border on extortion, via threatening letters and phone calls and their ever-expanding definition of "public performance" is ridiculous.
capitalistliontamer 1 year ago
@capitalistliontamer
Part 2....All these artist are asking for is a few pennies on a couple of pieces of creative art so they too can be proud citizens of society, making a decent living and live with dignity like most people who earn a living by doing what they are capable of doing. Is that to much to ask?.
oceanairman 1 year ago
@oceanairman - Part 2
For example, their incredibly high streaming audio fees are one of the main reasons WOXY FM shut down. With their short-sighted, profit-motivated efforts, ASCAP (and BMI) managed to kill off one of the most influential internet radio stations, one that broke several new independent artists.
Well, it's gone now and so is one more way for your music to get heard. As ASCAP's efforts increase, expect many more creative outlets to die off.
capitalistliontamer 1 year ago 2
@capitalistliontamer
....I started my business with $500 dollars in 1980, built it up while paying taxes, rent, so on. Everything comes with a price..trying to get a free pass to avoid paying for inventory, regardless of its nature, is the wrong model to run a business. Don't blame ASCAP for a poorly implemented & funded business model. Know your responsibilities and obligations if you wish to compete on a equal playing field. Don't run before you can walk. Peace to you.
oceanairman 1 year ago
@oceanairman
The issue isn't the built-in costs. The issue is with the steadily increasing costs as ASCAP, BMI, etc. try to make up for lost revenue by taking it out on those still paying.
And they love to double-dip. They're already collecting royalties from radio but now they want to collect royalties from businesses with employees who listen to the radio at work, calling it "public performance." That's a bold, dishonest attempt to grab the same money twice.
capitalistliontamer 1 year ago 3
@capitalistliontamer
...what differentiates a night club, retail store, hamburger stand or office...playing music as entertainment for the enjoyment of customers and employees?..if its piped in for all to hear its the same, however, listening to ones own Iphone, ipod type device is exempt. There are gray areas they should consider if they are doubled in collection fees, know one likes to be double taxed. Tax code is way to complicated. Sorry, I'm not an attorney or CPA...
oceanairman 1 year ago
@oceanairman
Let me get this straight... You believe that a business which is playing a radio, featuring a station that pays royalties, should pay performance royalties as well? Yeah lets shut off the radio's and let radio stations go out of business because no one is listening to their advertising so they can't pay the royalties to keep the station going.
This is a greedy exploitation. As an artist, I would rather have my work stolen then participate in this kind of "legal" extortion.
ThePolypusher 1 year ago 2
@ThePolypusher
....I guess you didn't read what I said about the gray areas that are doubled in collection fees...no one wants to pay double on what has already been paid.
Most of the following comments are from Copyleft, creative commons advocates and free downloaders who would steal form anyone if they could get away with it.
Creative Content is not a right you can just have for free, it's a privilege to honor and support those who's creative works we enjoy by paying tribute.
oceanairman 1 year ago
@oceanairman Aren't they already getting paid for what they do? If you buy a CD, do they not get a share. I mean of course after the record label takes there big cut.
Besides if anyone pays this group, how much of what ever money comes in does the artist really get?
rudyiking 1 year ago
@oceanairman So the record companies keep the artists locked up and force them to make tune after tune? And they don't pay the artists. Those bastards!!!!
rudyiking 1 year ago
@capitalistliontamer Well, think about this way. The farmer owes the chicken and the cows. He takes there milk/eggs, and sells them. So I think what there trying to say is the record companies are the farmers and the artists are the cows and chickens, so the record companies owe the artists. But if artists are chickens and cows what do they need money for? But then again, the cows and chickens are most likely to be eaten. So Does that mean we need to eat the artists? I'm confused.
rudyiking 1 year ago 2