Bruce, you pick on Christians ONLY in your public displays because you are a coward and you want to be famous. I already know that part, but I respectively ask you to put up a billboard and a You Tube video saying that Mohammed was not a prophet and that Allah is not real. I would like to see you do that. I will personally pay for the ad if you have the nerve to do something like that with you and your group's name attached to it. I will also pay YOU $150,000 personally to do it.
Okay here's a question for you. If evolution is real, why is it no longer happening. Why don't monkeys at the zoo eventually turn into humans. And why are human babies born from a human instead of baby monkeys?
@brendanthirteen Evolution -- religious stuff notwithstanding -- is still going on. Viruses are evolving 100 million times faster than mammals, but it is happening. Also, evolution in still happening before our very eyes, ask any zoologist. Seals are an example of an animal that is gradually leaving the water. Hippos are a species that is gradually entering the water -- there are thousands of examples of this. You can't watch somthing happen when it takes millions of years
How sad that you need to spend you life discounting the wonderful experience it is to have a relationship with God, that others experience. I myself am a witness of God/s love, it is not myth or fable. I feel sorry for you! We all have free choice, but it not me that needs to waste my time discrediting what others believe. I think deep down you know there is more, why would you waste so much of you time on something you don't believe in. Weird!
@desireemoon18 You are experiencing your own ego, my friend. This man is spreading the joy of logic, reason, and the sheer beauty of the real world. Deluding yourself with age-old myths is not healthy for your mind. Let's look at Zeus and Apollo. Nobody takes them seriously anymore.
P.S. We all spend time talking about Mario and COD and YouTube, yet none of them actually EXIST. Your logic is holed, sir.
@roscoegino It's called the Selfish Genome. Evolution has placed it in us. Richard Dawkins has written an entire book on the subject. Quite fascinating [this fact], really, if you look it up.
@EinsteinxtremeRoblox Dawkins is not the source. It does not start with mankind. We have no control on the talents we're born with, nor when we're born. Atheism is nothing more than man's need to have an answer for everything and man's frustration at not knowing the answer for everything. There's nothing wrong with mystery.
@roscoegino I never said Dawkins is the source, Ros. I said that Dawkins has written a book ON THE SUBJECT. Evolution is the source, and faith is nothing but an age-old fairy tale. One by one, the various human faiths are being disproved. Even Zeus and Poseidon, once as mighty as Jesus is today, are now just jokes. Think about it.
And yes, mystery is not something to be ashamed of, which is exactly what scientists tell us. Faith on the other hand thinks it knows all the answers. It's stupid.
@EinsteinxtremeRoblox We're all have to answer to what we believe. Who invented mankind, the animals, the planets. Who invented emotion, childbirth, sexuality? Who is at the head of evolution? There must be a head. The human brain is so, so complex. Wouldn't there be something even more complex to be responsible for its design? No mortal has all the answers so I humble myself and rely upon God when common sense falls short.
@roscoegino You're not responding directly to my answers, Rosc. Anyhow, nobody invented emotion, childbirth, and sexuality. Again, those are all byproducts of evolution, and we can observe that in any species. The human brain has had 4 BILLION (4,000,000,000!) years to evolve. That's more than any of us can imagine in a short few seconds. When you "go to God" for your answers, I understand why. God is such a cozy, romantic view of reality. But it's just a lazy, deluded shortcut, bro.
@roscoegino We haven't stopped evolving. Evolution is a process which takes hundreds of thousands or millions of years, and is not visible to the naked eye. The problem with many people is that they think evolution will happen to INDIVIDUAL animals, when really, animals have babies, and sometimes these babies have mutations. Some mutations (example: less fat, more lean muscle) will let the mutant have an easier time surviving, so that kind of mutation becomes the common one over time.
@roscoegino Right now, our brains are losing mass, but not losing intelligence. Over the past 5,000 years (quite a rapid change by evolutionary terms), our brains have lost 10% of their mass.
your good morals you did not come up with on your own though. Sorry if you believe you made them up but you didnt. They came from religion unfortunately. So lets not be hypocritical here and try to make your own up and not pick what you want from religion and adapt it to your thought. Thats the kicker is you cant prove your morals came from your own ideas. Plus you are trying to form an alliance whch is leading ppl to anarchy.
@DescendantsofAdam I am not making fun of you personally, but your comment is pure ignorance. If you would be so kind as to explain how religion (god-given instructions to humanity) is valid, then let's see evidence for a god, otherwise you must concede that morals are created by humans, period. Also, to suggest that "an alliance" leads people to anarchy shows you have NO idea what anarchy is. Please educate yourself some more on these topics and rethink your position. Thanks.
@SubconsciousGatherer our laws were derived and based of our forefathers and governed by religion. Preaching against what our country was founded on and stating its an inward moral state teaches against our constitution and laws weare governed today. Just as christians read the bible wrong and do bad things and c;laim Godthesame will happen with atheism. the only difference is Christianity has something to fall back on and atheism has to foundation to fall back on beside my own opinion cont.
@DescendantsofAdam also basing my whole ideas off of what I think is right and wrong creates chaos since not everyone will agree with my thoughts or opinions and the bible does have a foundation with proven results. If it were not so then our constitution and laws are all fallacies and no one should even govern them. Why use the constitution to push our motives?
@DescendantsofAdam The only proven track record the Bible has is the fostering of internal contradictions, confusion, condoning rape, war, genocide, slavery and showing a complete lack of morality. If there's one thing we should agree on it's that the Bible is NOT the source of any good person's morality.
@SubconsciousGatherer Thomas Jefferson said, "The reason that Christianity is the best friend of government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart." Are you aware that the congress began its sessions with prayer, which is still a practice in both houses of congress today? you my friend better study your history. I am not only a teacher but a minister as well.
@DescendantsofAdam The fact that you're a minister explains why you hold certain false ideas. Your kind is responsible for the spread of misinformation we Bible-literate, patriotic atheists have to fight against. Do you know of the Jefferson Bible? No supernatural mumbo jumbo, just the moral bits. Jefferson also said "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."
@SubconsciousGatherer have you walked side by side with me? do you know my values? do you know my teachings? if no, then how can you gathr me like a witchhunt and curse me? I do however agree with you tht ppl not just christians hv done wrong things. I myself am guilty as well. Have you? you ever think ill of someone or done something bad? or are you the standard we shld follow. You anger shows hostility to everyone even me? But my friend I practice what I believe and am always studying.
@DescendantsofAdam If prayer of any kind is going on then we can thank your Christian brothers for walking all over the Constitution's First Amendment, which separates church and state. How dare you think it's OK for every citizen's tax dollars go to funding a group of men and women who want to sit with their eyes closed and talk to imaginary friends while we foot the bill. We elect and pay them to get work done, not mess around with silly superstitions. Keep that in the churches.
@SubconsciousGatherer let me ask you? are you going to help the needy? are you going to feed the hungary? are you going to help someone unconditionally and if you have great I commend your efforts. What will be your cause thats going to changethe world and make it btr. Yes alot of ppl are horrid. But there is alot of ppl who love and why would anyone want to hurt them cause of the bad? do we get rid of 1 million atheist for the few that steal? No. So why throw thebaby out with the bath water?
@DescendantsofAdam First of all, yes. I do help the needy. Just recently I donated to a "Walk for Babies" to raise $ for infants with health problems. At Christmas I fashioned a gift box for a child in a 3rd world country so they'd have presents on Xmas morn. I once carried a bleeding dog for 2 miles so it wouldn't die in the street. I don't need a cosmic deity to tell me to help the needy; I just do it. I dare say you do too. You DON'T need to be told to do good...or do you?
@SubconsciousGatherer ok let me up the anti now. I think its gr8you did those thingsI wish there were more ppl like you doing this. You are a single person and I am sure there are several ppl out there doing this. Churches help millions upon millions and are knwn for this. Whether we agree on this or not. How many ppl would go hungary if we closed there doors in the U.S.? Cause you and I cant do it all. Who will take the time to organize a world wide help center? Those ppl are moved by God
@DescendantsofAdam "Those ppl are moved by God" Let me cut to the chase & ask which god you are positing here, and what evidence do you have that it's real? People all over the world claim that gods help them, yet they can't all be right about those gods existing. Also, how moral are the actions of someone when they say they "did it 'cuz my god told me to"? What if I told you my good deeds were motivated by Zeus or Thor? What would you think of my moral foundation in that case?
@SubconsciousGatherer to sum up the God claim. I believe in a Creator and anyone seeking a Creator is seeking the same God as me no matter what walk of life they come from. Anyone seeking a religion will find it as well thus the many different religions 2day. But I do believe if they seek a Creator they will find it. I amvery much into science as well. I believe religion is flawed. BUt there are truths that stems from everyone. Man has turned it into a mockery.
@DescendantsofAdam I sought "a creator" with all my heart and soul, but nothing happened. Millions of others have done the same. Will you admit you could possibly be believing in something that's not real? Are you open-minded enough to say there may be no god? How else could you explain the multitudes of people who've honestly sought to find one and came up empty handed? Respectfully, what makes you so special that you know of a god and we all don't?
@SubconsciousGatherer I am open to the thought of no God but how are you expecting Him to reveal himself? Wld if God has been trying to talk to you for the last few days and you just closed your eyes cause you dont want to hear him? Wld if God has been using me to talk to you can you deny that? So God did try to reach you then but you want Him to meet you on broadway and 5th cause thats your idea. whn He's been talking to you this whole time. I am not claiming to be God but am avail. to be used.
@DescendantsofAdam First, much respect for admitting there may be no god. That's honest of you. Regarding how he's to reveal himself to me: I leave that decision up to him. He's a god, after all. If he knows everything, then he'd certainly know how he could reveal himself to me in a way that's undeniable, right? What if the *real* god is using ME to tell YOU "God" is a hoax? There are many options to consider. I use reason to determine what makes the most sense. How do you determine reality?
@SubconsciousGatherer I wish they had chat here. I try to think common sense andI have alrdy considered you being used to teach me new thingsand look at othr ideals. And hv learned a few things as well. I consider myslf a free thinking Christian.Sm of my ideas are not popular with churches but they are bth supported by bible and science and still learning more.
@DescendantsofAdam You can personal message me if you'd like. I've been busy all day, and the weekend is almost upon us, but I'm game to chat more.
You say you are a free-thinking Christian whose ideas are not popular with churches, yet supported by the Bible. It's interesting to note that most Christians could make that claim to some degree. Everyone seems to think they're Christian, yet the reason there are so many sects of Christianity is because no one can agree what the truth is.
@SubconsciousGatherer I wish they had chat here. I try to think common sense andI have alrdy considered you being used to teach me new thingsand look at othr ideals. And hv learned a few things as well. I consider myslf a free thinking Christian.Sm of my ideas are not popular with churches but they are bth supported by bible and science and still learning more. Science disagrees cause I use God in itandChristians disagree cause I use science so I am unpopular
@DescendantsofAdam "Science disagrees cause I use God in itandChristians disagree cause I use science"
What basis of judgement are you using to determine what is true? In other words, how do you know what to believe when it comes to your god vs. science?
@DescendantsofAdam I sought "a creator" with all my heart and soul, but nothing happened. Millions of others have done the same. Will you admit you could possibly be believing in something that's not real? Are you open-minded enough to say there may be no god? How else could you explain the multitudes of people who've honestly sought to find one and came up empty handed? Respectfully, what makes you so special that you know of a god and we all don't?
@SubconsciousGatherer can I ask you what motivated you to help these ppl. Was it cause you cared, it moved your emotions, you saw a need and filled it, etc? The reason I am curious is cause it wasa nugh to your heart wasnt it. I doubt it was cause you just acting out of impulse w no feeling. Some of those ppl prolly cried out to God and moved you even if you dnt believe. God uses everyone not just Chirstians. And you listened it sounds like.
@DescendantsofAdam Oh boy...now you're suggesting that I only did those good things because YOUR particular god moved me to? That's insulting, friend. To answer your question, I did those things because I felt a genuine human concern to see my fellow sentient beings receive help when they couldn't do it themselves. Those newborn babies, the 3rd world children, injured pets...they don't have the resources I have access to, so I felt the impulse to aid them in some way to improve their situation.
@SubconsciousGatherer I dont believe in a particular God. Most ppl would agree they are trying to seek a Creator unfortunately they choose religion to try to find that which sends them in the wrong direction. Religiion can be good in the aspect of its gets the concept out there but fails in trapping ppl as this is how to do it. Its the idealistic fundamentals of churches 2day thinking they got it right. But to me you must seperate all you know and approach open mindly and you will get results
@DescendantsofAdam Again, I sought "God" with no religion whatsoever. I just prayed straight to "him." Nothing. Zero. The same thing happens all over the world. It's a pretty darn strong argument for the likelyhood that no god exists, at least not one that cares to let us know it's there. Will you admit you could be wrong?
@SubconsciousGatherer Its for meto say there is no God just as those to say there is a God. I have studied extensively and through research and actual personal experience makes it tough. I dont "X" out othr possibilities. I am not a religious man but have seen and othrs have seen some amazing things happen 1st hand in my life and in theres as well. I have ateist friends who are baffled as well anddnt understnd they ask question as welll but the proof is there b4 them. And still they dnt believe.
@DescendantsofAdam What exactly was the event that your atheist friends were baffled by? What "proof" were they given yet still ended up not believing? (I dare say it was not proof at all, or they'd now be believers.)
@DescendantsofAdam "Some of those ppl prolly cried out to God..." I completely agree with you there. People all over the world cry out to their particular gods for help, yet we all either improve & heal or we suffer & die in equal proportion. No one religious group has a monopoly on improved health due to prayer. If we're honest, this is because there are no gods, & if there are, they don't seem to care. That's why people need to drop the superstition, embrace reality & help their fellow beings.
@SubconsciousGatherer umm prayer has been going on since the first 13 colonies. It was accepted back then. The last 20 yrs has only been an issue. People want there own way now and want to be free to do what they want with no boundaries. its the I'm right generation and if you have children you will see it more rapidly. You place rules on kids to protect them you take the protection off you risk consequences
@DescendantsofAdam I'm sorry, but you are just experiencing what every parent does in every generation. It's the burden for every parent to think the world is going to pieces, just like the parents before us did, and before them, etc. I'm sorry, but where exactly are these people you speak of "want to be free to do what they want with no boundaries." I don't personally know anyone like that who is atheist, but I *do* know Christians who can do whatever they want 'cuz Jesus will forgive them.
@SubconsciousGatherer well I myself dont think I can do whtevr I want and God will just forgive me. God is not a divine vending mach. Some ppl think they are saved but truly are not. You will knw who is by there actions. If morals are imbedded in us which I do agree with you on. I just say they are implanted by God is the diff. so I wldnt have nvr needed to meet you and we would knw the same morals? 4 instance both on islands away frm populatn and God we wld have same morals?
@DescendantsofAdam Does the Bible not teach that God will forgive you of *any* sins if you only turn your life over to Jesus & repent? I applaud you for not abusing that system, but the fact is Christianity *does* allow for such abuse. It's part of its fundamental teaching that ANYONE can be saved, no matter your crimes. Not only that, but "once saved, always saved." That type of instruction is a free pass to many to live a life w/o boundaries (as you say) WHILE BEING CHRISTIAN.
@SubconsciousGatherer if you can show me the verse once saved always saved cause I have nvr read that. Ive studied the bible prtty throughly and i hv nvr read tht. Accrding to the bible salvation doesnt exist until you are in heaven. Now ppl hv tried to missinterprt verses and teach thmthat but its not true. Otherwise there wld be no need to walk in Christ daily.
@DescendantsofAdam To clarify, I don't claim that "once saved, always saved" is true. That is something I hear from many Christians, so they'd be the ones to ask about that verse. I don't know where they get that from. This is yet another example of the internal contradictions within Christianity and religion in general. You show me 100 Christians and I'll show you 100 different religions.
@DescendantsofAdam If you think our morals are imbedded in us by *your* particular god, then why on earth do we have a Bible? Why the 10 Commandments? Isn't it redundant and unnecessary to waste time on pointless literature if we have these morals crammed into our brains already? Also, how do you explain people who act out in opposition to these morals? If you say we *all* have them, then where do we get dictators, serial killers, child molesters, etc.? You can't have it both ways.
@DescendantsofAdam I think you & I share the same basic morals, the difference being that I gain mine from using reason, experience & compassion. You, however, claim they come from the instructions of an invisible deity that can't even be proven exists. Isn't that interesting? In one case, the morals come from using reason & logic about causing the least amount of harm to others & bringing about the most amount of good, and in the other case it just comes down to "a god told me to."
@SubconsciousGatherer You arepartially right. But its not so much as to God told me to as to the morals are imbedded and God teaches us how to use them righteously. For instance we have no way of knwing what each day will bring annd you happen to see a need but you are very busy with important errands God will provide wisdom for me to work it out every time. Where most ppl will just drive by and not make time to help someone cause there life is to hecktic.
@DescendantsofAdam If morals were imbedded in us then we wouldn't need to think about right and wrong, yet we do. Can you please provide evidence for your god, as well as the idea that this god puts morals into us and teaches us how to use them? If you're talking about the god in the Bible, I certainly don't get my morals or teaching from him! His example is NOT one for any compassionate person to follow, this much is certain! Genocide, slavery & war are not noble traits of a god worth obeying.
@SubconsciousGatherer here iis an example. I was selling a suv.The person wasdriving to get car annd Not only did this come to me but 3 othrs as well tht I should give the car to this women and not sell it. I questioned this and prayed on it and said why and so it wasnt my own thoughts asked if it was Christ or not. later that day 3 othr ppl said they thght I shldjust give the car away. I dnt knw the girls life and these ppl dnt. So, I gave it away. The girl cried, she used all her $ for this
@DescendantsofAdam An interesting story, but where in any of this do you determine that a god exists? I mean, if you were on national television would you be willing to offer up this story as some sort of evidence that the god of the Bible is real? I dare say stranger things have happened, and even *they* are not evidence in any way that gods are real.
@SubconsciousGatherer This girl wldve had no funds for food and was not in finacial means to purchase a car and was risking all she had for this. I had no idea and just listened to Christ and look what happened. So these things happen all the time in my life. I cant explain it thru science but its happening. And I am sure we have all had unexplainable things happen to us also. I cant be the only one right?
@DescendantsofAdam What about my Muslim friend who was driving towards a green light, yet felt compelled to hit the breaks? Suddenly, a car from the other direction ran a red light and zoomed through the intersection, nearly hitting my friend's car. If he'd driven towards the green light like normal he would've been hit, perhaps killed. He sees this as a sign that Allah was protecting him.
@SubconsciousGatherer This was simply a coincidence. Anyone with normal reflexes such as your friend would have been able to stop in time. Sometimes people are able to save themselves from dying in a crash, but sadly, most of the time they are not. It's all about chance, and planning ahead.
@DescendantsofAdam I just can't leave this tasty quote from Jefferson behind: "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus."
@DescendantsofAdam Everything you said in the first section tells me you have not researched our country's beginnings, and you've probably been lied to or misled by your pastor. That is NOT how our country began, I'm sorry. The founders were mostly deists, and you will NOT find the words Jesus, Bible or Christianity in our founding documents and laws. Again, I encourage you to educate yourself on these matters before positing false ideologies which you can't back up.
@DescendantsofAdam Atheism is not a belief system, it's the LACK of a belief, that being the lack of a belief that any gods exist. Therefore, atheism does not (nor should it) offer any answers to "fall back on." It simply acknowledges *reality* and says "there's no evidence for any gods." If you HAVE evidence for one, let's hear it.
well put - I am a christian , yet I believe most of what you say and I am an evolutionist. When I hear christians speak out against lifestyle choices or are quick to go to war I question their beliefs. have a great year and beyond !
Evolution gives you an"inner compass of morality" ? Nah. . . What Evolution does is prevent harmful mutations in the genetic code from being propagated in a species. It doesn't give you morality or moral law.
Bruce, turn to Jesus Christ, He is the truth and He loves you.
vizion24 2 weeks ago
Bruce, you pick on Christians ONLY in your public displays because you are a coward and you want to be famous. I already know that part, but I respectively ask you to put up a billboard and a You Tube video saying that Mohammed was not a prophet and that Allah is not real. I would like to see you do that. I will personally pay for the ad if you have the nerve to do something like that with you and your group's name attached to it. I will also pay YOU $150,000 personally to do it.
ColumbiaPerna 3 weeks ago
Okay here's a question for you. If evolution is real, why is it no longer happening. Why don't monkeys at the zoo eventually turn into humans. And why are human babies born from a human instead of baby monkeys?
brendanthirteen 1 month ago
@brendanthirteen Evolution -- religious stuff notwithstanding -- is still going on. Viruses are evolving 100 million times faster than mammals, but it is happening. Also, evolution in still happening before our very eyes, ask any zoologist. Seals are an example of an animal that is gradually leaving the water. Hippos are a species that is gradually entering the water -- there are thousands of examples of this. You can't watch somthing happen when it takes millions of years
ColumbiaPerna 3 weeks ago
How sad that you need to spend you life discounting the wonderful experience it is to have a relationship with God, that others experience. I myself am a witness of God/s love, it is not myth or fable. I feel sorry for you! We all have free choice, but it not me that needs to waste my time discrediting what others believe. I think deep down you know there is more, why would you waste so much of you time on something you don't believe in. Weird!
desireemoon18 4 months ago
@desireemoon18 You are experiencing your own ego, my friend. This man is spreading the joy of logic, reason, and the sheer beauty of the real world. Deluding yourself with age-old myths is not healthy for your mind. Let's look at Zeus and Apollo. Nobody takes them seriously anymore.
P.S. We all spend time talking about Mario and COD and YouTube, yet none of them actually EXIST. Your logic is holed, sir.
EinsteinxtremeRoblox 3 months ago
what dick
gvega1978 5 months ago
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TheHousePalmBay 5 months ago
but u believe in God. your inner compass of morality has a source.
roscoegino 9 months ago
@roscoegino Not true, not true.
EinsteinxtremeRoblox 3 months ago
@EinsteinxtremeRoblox Your inner compass of morality, your knowledge of right and wrong does not come from you or me. If so, prove it.
roscoegino 3 months ago
@roscoegino It's called the Selfish Genome. Evolution has placed it in us. Richard Dawkins has written an entire book on the subject. Quite fascinating [this fact], really, if you look it up.
EinsteinxtremeRoblox 3 months ago
@EinsteinxtremeRoblox Dawkins is not the source. It does not start with mankind. We have no control on the talents we're born with, nor when we're born. Atheism is nothing more than man's need to have an answer for everything and man's frustration at not knowing the answer for everything. There's nothing wrong with mystery.
Faith is powerful.
roscoegino 3 months ago
@roscoegino I never said Dawkins is the source, Ros. I said that Dawkins has written a book ON THE SUBJECT. Evolution is the source, and faith is nothing but an age-old fairy tale. One by one, the various human faiths are being disproved. Even Zeus and Poseidon, once as mighty as Jesus is today, are now just jokes. Think about it.
And yes, mystery is not something to be ashamed of, which is exactly what scientists tell us. Faith on the other hand thinks it knows all the answers. It's stupid.
EinsteinxtremeRoblox 3 months ago
@EinsteinxtremeRoblox We're all have to answer to what we believe. Who invented mankind, the animals, the planets. Who invented emotion, childbirth, sexuality? Who is at the head of evolution? There must be a head. The human brain is so, so complex. Wouldn't there be something even more complex to be responsible for its design? No mortal has all the answers so I humble myself and rely upon God when common sense falls short.
roscoegino 3 months ago
@roscoegino You're not responding directly to my answers, Rosc. Anyhow, nobody invented emotion, childbirth, and sexuality. Again, those are all byproducts of evolution, and we can observe that in any species. The human brain has had 4 BILLION (4,000,000,000!) years to evolve. That's more than any of us can imagine in a short few seconds. When you "go to God" for your answers, I understand why. God is such a cozy, romantic view of reality. But it's just a lazy, deluded shortcut, bro.
EinsteinxtremeRoblox 3 months ago
@EinsteinxtremeRoblox Then when did we stop evolving? How are we changing now? Jesus loves you. I'm serious. He really really does.
roscoegino 3 months ago
@roscoegino We haven't stopped evolving. Evolution is a process which takes hundreds of thousands or millions of years, and is not visible to the naked eye. The problem with many people is that they think evolution will happen to INDIVIDUAL animals, when really, animals have babies, and sometimes these babies have mutations. Some mutations (example: less fat, more lean muscle) will let the mutant have an easier time surviving, so that kind of mutation becomes the common one over time.
EinsteinxtremeRoblox 3 months ago
@roscoegino Right now, our brains are losing mass, but not losing intelligence. Over the past 5,000 years (quite a rapid change by evolutionary terms), our brains have lost 10% of their mass.
EinsteinxtremeRoblox 3 months ago
Lol, funny.
domarco22 9 months ago
your good morals you did not come up with on your own though. Sorry if you believe you made them up but you didnt. They came from religion unfortunately. So lets not be hypocritical here and try to make your own up and not pick what you want from religion and adapt it to your thought. Thats the kicker is you cant prove your morals came from your own ideas. Plus you are trying to form an alliance whch is leading ppl to anarchy.
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam I am not making fun of you personally, but your comment is pure ignorance. If you would be so kind as to explain how religion (god-given instructions to humanity) is valid, then let's see evidence for a god, otherwise you must concede that morals are created by humans, period. Also, to suggest that "an alliance" leads people to anarchy shows you have NO idea what anarchy is. Please educate yourself some more on these topics and rethink your position. Thanks.
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer our laws were derived and based of our forefathers and governed by religion. Preaching against what our country was founded on and stating its an inward moral state teaches against our constitution and laws weare governed today. Just as christians read the bible wrong and do bad things and c;laim Godthesame will happen with atheism. the only difference is Christianity has something to fall back on and atheism has to foundation to fall back on beside my own opinion cont.
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam also basing my whole ideas off of what I think is right and wrong creates chaos since not everyone will agree with my thoughts or opinions and the bible does have a foundation with proven results. If it were not so then our constitution and laws are all fallacies and no one should even govern them. Why use the constitution to push our motives?
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam The only proven track record the Bible has is the fostering of internal contradictions, confusion, condoning rape, war, genocide, slavery and showing a complete lack of morality. If there's one thing we should agree on it's that the Bible is NOT the source of any good person's morality.
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer Thomas Jefferson said, "The reason that Christianity is the best friend of government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart." Are you aware that the congress began its sessions with prayer, which is still a practice in both houses of congress today? you my friend better study your history. I am not only a teacher but a minister as well.
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam The fact that you're a minister explains why you hold certain false ideas. Your kind is responsible for the spread of misinformation we Bible-literate, patriotic atheists have to fight against. Do you know of the Jefferson Bible? No supernatural mumbo jumbo, just the moral bits. Jefferson also said "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer have you walked side by side with me? do you know my values? do you know my teachings? if no, then how can you gathr me like a witchhunt and curse me? I do however agree with you tht ppl not just christians hv done wrong things. I myself am guilty as well. Have you? you ever think ill of someone or done something bad? or are you the standard we shld follow. You anger shows hostility to everyone even me? But my friend I practice what I believe and am always studying.
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam If prayer of any kind is going on then we can thank your Christian brothers for walking all over the Constitution's First Amendment, which separates church and state. How dare you think it's OK for every citizen's tax dollars go to funding a group of men and women who want to sit with their eyes closed and talk to imaginary friends while we foot the bill. We elect and pay them to get work done, not mess around with silly superstitions. Keep that in the churches.
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer let me ask you? are you going to help the needy? are you going to feed the hungary? are you going to help someone unconditionally and if you have great I commend your efforts. What will be your cause thats going to changethe world and make it btr. Yes alot of ppl are horrid. But there is alot of ppl who love and why would anyone want to hurt them cause of the bad? do we get rid of 1 million atheist for the few that steal? No. So why throw thebaby out with the bath water?
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam First of all, yes. I do help the needy. Just recently I donated to a "Walk for Babies" to raise $ for infants with health problems. At Christmas I fashioned a gift box for a child in a 3rd world country so they'd have presents on Xmas morn. I once carried a bleeding dog for 2 miles so it wouldn't die in the street. I don't need a cosmic deity to tell me to help the needy; I just do it. I dare say you do too. You DON'T need to be told to do good...or do you?
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer ok let me up the anti now. I think its gr8you did those thingsI wish there were more ppl like you doing this. You are a single person and I am sure there are several ppl out there doing this. Churches help millions upon millions and are knwn for this. Whether we agree on this or not. How many ppl would go hungary if we closed there doors in the U.S.? Cause you and I cant do it all. Who will take the time to organize a world wide help center? Those ppl are moved by God
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam "Those ppl are moved by God" Let me cut to the chase & ask which god you are positing here, and what evidence do you have that it's real? People all over the world claim that gods help them, yet they can't all be right about those gods existing. Also, how moral are the actions of someone when they say they "did it 'cuz my god told me to"? What if I told you my good deeds were motivated by Zeus or Thor? What would you think of my moral foundation in that case?
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer to sum up the God claim. I believe in a Creator and anyone seeking a Creator is seeking the same God as me no matter what walk of life they come from. Anyone seeking a religion will find it as well thus the many different religions 2day. But I do believe if they seek a Creator they will find it. I amvery much into science as well. I believe religion is flawed. BUt there are truths that stems from everyone. Man has turned it into a mockery.
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam I sought "a creator" with all my heart and soul, but nothing happened. Millions of others have done the same. Will you admit you could possibly be believing in something that's not real? Are you open-minded enough to say there may be no god? How else could you explain the multitudes of people who've honestly sought to find one and came up empty handed? Respectfully, what makes you so special that you know of a god and we all don't?
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer I am open to the thought of no God but how are you expecting Him to reveal himself? Wld if God has been trying to talk to you for the last few days and you just closed your eyes cause you dont want to hear him? Wld if God has been using me to talk to you can you deny that? So God did try to reach you then but you want Him to meet you on broadway and 5th cause thats your idea. whn He's been talking to you this whole time. I am not claiming to be God but am avail. to be used.
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam First, much respect for admitting there may be no god. That's honest of you. Regarding how he's to reveal himself to me: I leave that decision up to him. He's a god, after all. If he knows everything, then he'd certainly know how he could reveal himself to me in a way that's undeniable, right? What if the *real* god is using ME to tell YOU "God" is a hoax? There are many options to consider. I use reason to determine what makes the most sense. How do you determine reality?
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer I wish they had chat here. I try to think common sense andI have alrdy considered you being used to teach me new thingsand look at othr ideals. And hv learned a few things as well. I consider myslf a free thinking Christian.Sm of my ideas are not popular with churches but they are bth supported by bible and science and still learning more.
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam You can personal message me if you'd like. I've been busy all day, and the weekend is almost upon us, but I'm game to chat more.
You say you are a free-thinking Christian whose ideas are not popular with churches, yet supported by the Bible. It's interesting to note that most Christians could make that claim to some degree. Everyone seems to think they're Christian, yet the reason there are so many sects of Christianity is because no one can agree what the truth is.
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer I wish they had chat here. I try to think common sense andI have alrdy considered you being used to teach me new thingsand look at othr ideals. And hv learned a few things as well. I consider myslf a free thinking Christian.Sm of my ideas are not popular with churches but they are bth supported by bible and science and still learning more. Science disagrees cause I use God in itandChristians disagree cause I use science so I am unpopular
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam "Science disagrees cause I use God in itandChristians disagree cause I use science"
What basis of judgement are you using to determine what is true? In other words, how do you know what to believe when it comes to your god vs. science?
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
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@DescendantsofAdam I sought "a creator" with all my heart and soul, but nothing happened. Millions of others have done the same. Will you admit you could possibly be believing in something that's not real? Are you open-minded enough to say there may be no god? How else could you explain the multitudes of people who've honestly sought to find one and came up empty handed? Respectfully, what makes you so special that you know of a god and we all don't?
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer can I ask you what motivated you to help these ppl. Was it cause you cared, it moved your emotions, you saw a need and filled it, etc? The reason I am curious is cause it wasa nugh to your heart wasnt it. I doubt it was cause you just acting out of impulse w no feeling. Some of those ppl prolly cried out to God and moved you even if you dnt believe. God uses everyone not just Chirstians. And you listened it sounds like.
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam Oh boy...now you're suggesting that I only did those good things because YOUR particular god moved me to? That's insulting, friend. To answer your question, I did those things because I felt a genuine human concern to see my fellow sentient beings receive help when they couldn't do it themselves. Those newborn babies, the 3rd world children, injured pets...they don't have the resources I have access to, so I felt the impulse to aid them in some way to improve their situation.
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer I dont believe in a particular God. Most ppl would agree they are trying to seek a Creator unfortunately they choose religion to try to find that which sends them in the wrong direction. Religiion can be good in the aspect of its gets the concept out there but fails in trapping ppl as this is how to do it. Its the idealistic fundamentals of churches 2day thinking they got it right. But to me you must seperate all you know and approach open mindly and you will get results
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam Again, I sought "God" with no religion whatsoever. I just prayed straight to "him." Nothing. Zero. The same thing happens all over the world. It's a pretty darn strong argument for the likelyhood that no god exists, at least not one that cares to let us know it's there. Will you admit you could be wrong?
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer Its for meto say there is no God just as those to say there is a God. I have studied extensively and through research and actual personal experience makes it tough. I dont "X" out othr possibilities. I am not a religious man but have seen and othrs have seen some amazing things happen 1st hand in my life and in theres as well. I have ateist friends who are baffled as well anddnt understnd they ask question as welll but the proof is there b4 them. And still they dnt believe.
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam What exactly was the event that your atheist friends were baffled by? What "proof" were they given yet still ended up not believing? (I dare say it was not proof at all, or they'd now be believers.)
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam "Some of those ppl prolly cried out to God..." I completely agree with you there. People all over the world cry out to their particular gods for help, yet we all either improve & heal or we suffer & die in equal proportion. No one religious group has a monopoly on improved health due to prayer. If we're honest, this is because there are no gods, & if there are, they don't seem to care. That's why people need to drop the superstition, embrace reality & help their fellow beings.
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer umm prayer has been going on since the first 13 colonies. It was accepted back then. The last 20 yrs has only been an issue. People want there own way now and want to be free to do what they want with no boundaries. its the I'm right generation and if you have children you will see it more rapidly. You place rules on kids to protect them you take the protection off you risk consequences
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam I'm sorry, but you are just experiencing what every parent does in every generation. It's the burden for every parent to think the world is going to pieces, just like the parents before us did, and before them, etc. I'm sorry, but where exactly are these people you speak of "want to be free to do what they want with no boundaries." I don't personally know anyone like that who is atheist, but I *do* know Christians who can do whatever they want 'cuz Jesus will forgive them.
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer well I myself dont think I can do whtevr I want and God will just forgive me. God is not a divine vending mach. Some ppl think they are saved but truly are not. You will knw who is by there actions. If morals are imbedded in us which I do agree with you on. I just say they are implanted by God is the diff. so I wldnt have nvr needed to meet you and we would knw the same morals? 4 instance both on islands away frm populatn and God we wld have same morals?
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam Does the Bible not teach that God will forgive you of *any* sins if you only turn your life over to Jesus & repent? I applaud you for not abusing that system, but the fact is Christianity *does* allow for such abuse. It's part of its fundamental teaching that ANYONE can be saved, no matter your crimes. Not only that, but "once saved, always saved." That type of instruction is a free pass to many to live a life w/o boundaries (as you say) WHILE BEING CHRISTIAN.
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer if you can show me the verse once saved always saved cause I have nvr read that. Ive studied the bible prtty throughly and i hv nvr read tht. Accrding to the bible salvation doesnt exist until you are in heaven. Now ppl hv tried to missinterprt verses and teach thmthat but its not true. Otherwise there wld be no need to walk in Christ daily.
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam To clarify, I don't claim that "once saved, always saved" is true. That is something I hear from many Christians, so they'd be the ones to ask about that verse. I don't know where they get that from. This is yet another example of the internal contradictions within Christianity and religion in general. You show me 100 Christians and I'll show you 100 different religions.
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam If you think our morals are imbedded in us by *your* particular god, then why on earth do we have a Bible? Why the 10 Commandments? Isn't it redundant and unnecessary to waste time on pointless literature if we have these morals crammed into our brains already? Also, how do you explain people who act out in opposition to these morals? If you say we *all* have them, then where do we get dictators, serial killers, child molesters, etc.? You can't have it both ways.
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam I think you & I share the same basic morals, the difference being that I gain mine from using reason, experience & compassion. You, however, claim they come from the instructions of an invisible deity that can't even be proven exists. Isn't that interesting? In one case, the morals come from using reason & logic about causing the least amount of harm to others & bringing about the most amount of good, and in the other case it just comes down to "a god told me to."
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer You arepartially right. But its not so much as to God told me to as to the morals are imbedded and God teaches us how to use them righteously. For instance we have no way of knwing what each day will bring annd you happen to see a need but you are very busy with important errands God will provide wisdom for me to work it out every time. Where most ppl will just drive by and not make time to help someone cause there life is to hecktic.
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam If morals were imbedded in us then we wouldn't need to think about right and wrong, yet we do. Can you please provide evidence for your god, as well as the idea that this god puts morals into us and teaches us how to use them? If you're talking about the god in the Bible, I certainly don't get my morals or teaching from him! His example is NOT one for any compassionate person to follow, this much is certain! Genocide, slavery & war are not noble traits of a god worth obeying.
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer here iis an example. I was selling a suv.The person wasdriving to get car annd Not only did this come to me but 3 othrs as well tht I should give the car to this women and not sell it. I questioned this and prayed on it and said why and so it wasnt my own thoughts asked if it was Christ or not. later that day 3 othr ppl said they thght I shldjust give the car away. I dnt knw the girls life and these ppl dnt. So, I gave it away. The girl cried, she used all her $ for this
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam An interesting story, but where in any of this do you determine that a god exists? I mean, if you were on national television would you be willing to offer up this story as some sort of evidence that the god of the Bible is real? I dare say stranger things have happened, and even *they* are not evidence in any way that gods are real.
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer This girl wldve had no funds for food and was not in finacial means to purchase a car and was risking all she had for this. I had no idea and just listened to Christ and look what happened. So these things happen all the time in my life. I cant explain it thru science but its happening. And I am sure we have all had unexplainable things happen to us also. I cant be the only one right?
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam What about my Muslim friend who was driving towards a green light, yet felt compelled to hit the breaks? Suddenly, a car from the other direction ran a red light and zoomed through the intersection, nearly hitting my friend's car. If he'd driven towards the green light like normal he would've been hit, perhaps killed. He sees this as a sign that Allah was protecting him.
Your thoughts???
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer This was simply a coincidence. Anyone with normal reflexes such as your friend would have been able to stop in time. Sometimes people are able to save themselves from dying in a crash, but sadly, most of the time they are not. It's all about chance, and planning ahead.
EinsteinxtremeRoblox 3 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam I just can't leave this tasty quote from Jefferson behind: "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus."
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
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@DescendantsofAdam also we all know what happens with communism.
DescendantsofAdam 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam Everything you said in the first section tells me you have not researched our country's beginnings, and you've probably been lied to or misled by your pastor. That is NOT how our country began, I'm sorry. The founders were mostly deists, and you will NOT find the words Jesus, Bible or Christianity in our founding documents and laws. Again, I encourage you to educate yourself on these matters before positing false ideologies which you can't back up.
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
@DescendantsofAdam Atheism is not a belief system, it's the LACK of a belief, that being the lack of a belief that any gods exist. Therefore, atheism does not (nor should it) offer any answers to "fall back on." It simply acknowledges *reality* and says "there's no evidence for any gods." If you HAVE evidence for one, let's hear it.
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
if you think we need to rid ourselves of superstition you just now created another superstition
agapenow 1 year ago
well put - I am a christian , yet I believe most of what you say and I am an evolutionist. When I hear christians speak out against lifestyle choices or are quick to go to war I question their beliefs. have a great year and beyond !
billoakesattablthree 2 years ago
Evolution gives you an"inner compass of morality" ? Nah. . . What Evolution does is prevent harmful mutations in the genetic code from being propagated in a species. It doesn't give you morality or moral law.
maxkerl 2 years ago
Dito !!!
LillErik 3 years ago
Rationalism !!!
StefanMarkovski 2 years ago