Prop 8 Protest Conflict, Palm Springs - Video Analysis

[360jab]

It'll be great at the white throne judgment when hell welcomes these idiots to a eternal home we have to be tolerant of them shoving their sexuality in our faces but yet they can't tolerate the truth that God sees them as an abomination but we will have the last laugh now won't we =)

[StoogeWatcher]

And who was the one that committed the assaults? Oh yeah, the "peaceful" leftists.

[paxeamore]

oh WAH! Anytime you counter a large protest, you must be prepared for what could happen. It's just the way of the world...

[soicuw]

umm I'd just like to point out that the no on 8 protestors weren't exactly being "tolerant" of different opinions. My God, they were beating up an old lady for christ sake!

[FrontRowNewsCom]

Well...seems that OLD lady got alot of gay panties in a bunch.

Seems this one lady is not allowed to express her feelings, without the being "assaulted".

What a pathetic bunch of fags.

[abjectif]

she's a zealot and agent provocateur

oh

and crazy

[StoogeWatcher]

As opposed to the "tolerant" liberals who attack elderly women for no reason?

[StoogeWatcher]

If Christians ripped the signs from a gay man's hands, there would be "hate crime" charges filed.

[michaelsiewert]

You didn't even watch the fucking video. Before you push your agenda on a video, watch it first, asshole.

[Jacksonholenativ]

Funnystuff is anything but funny. Funnystuff is obsessed and psychotic continually obsessing and stuck in this muck of obsessing about this video. Funnystuff get a life!

[News4usall]

Oh good grief - THIS is what you are having to resort to? Yeah, that woman was DANGEROUS - that's for sure.

Since she was too old to be competing in miss america you decided to harrass and threaten her that way?

Why are so many homosexuals so vicious, close minded and heterophobic?

[Jacksonholenativ]

News4usall there is inappropriate behavior on both sides. Pro-prop 8'ers who have removed anti-prop 8 signs including mean things toward LGBT people and those who support marriage equality. There are also things that anti-prop 8 people have done (i.e. spray painting a church sign, etc.) but I find it quite revealing how so-called Christians are straining and searching for anything they can get their hands on to look like they are victimized. It is the LGBT community who are the real victims.

[TheLORDismySheperd1]

Watching this video is like watching someone trying to throw sugar on poop.

It is what it is no matter WHAT you're trying to write or have yourself believe in your own world.

[Jacksonholenativ]

Yep LordismySheperd1 you're definitely the poop. You can put lipstick on a pig and no matter what you do you're still a bigoted pig.

[Jacksonholenativ]

funnystuffy is probably only responding to that old knee jerk homophobia that she was taught in Church by homophobic, bigoted pastors who were either ignorant about homosexuality or downright mean about it.

[funnystuff123d3]

the last few times I tried to respond the youtube service was down for maintenance.

Anyway homosexuality is sick and wrong and whoever created this propaganda piece is a retard because anyone with a brain can find the REAL footage and see for themselves who the true ignorant bigots are. Let me ask you this: Do you approve of the childish, immature behavior of the gays shown in the real video located here: VziklUbtHAE ?

[Jacksonholenativ]

funnystuff123 You're definitely funny. In fact you're so hilarious that you're a total fool. Your kind of heterosexuality is sick and wrong. That the kind that judges others, wastes time trying to run other people's lives by telling them who they can or cannot love and then blaming Jesus (the Bible) for it, etc so you don't have to take personal responsibility for your own bigotry. Quit while you're way behind.

[funnystuff123d3]

At least I don't take it in the behind.

It is you who is trying to tell everyone what is right and wrong and shoving your sick perverted lifestyle down our throats. You keep throwing the bigot word around a lot. Maybe look it up first to see who the real bigot is?

What's funny is that you take the time out of your day to respond to my posting yet neglect to answer my simple question Do you approve of the childish, immature behavior of the gays shown in the real video located here: VziklUbtHAE

[Jacksonholenativ]

Get a life funnystuff123.  Your insane obsession with what gay people's sex lives consist of is quite telling as to your personality. It says far more about you than it does about gay people. You definitely have some serious issues.

[Jacksonholenativ]

I wonder what kinds of scandalous pictures and videos are in Funnystuff's web browser. Makes you wonder if funnystuff is a latent and conflicted homosexual.

[Jacksonholenativ]

I wonder how people would respond if a little old white lady were protesting against the NAACP and other African American civil rights activists by brandishing a white people for Christ or even worse a KKK for Jesus sign? Just because she's a little old bigot doesn't mean that she is out of bounds for any reaction to her bigotry.

[funnystuff123d3]

She is clearly a christian therefore would have no reason to do that. Christian are taught to love thy neighbor. MLK was a baptist pastor and had the support of christians and those in various faiths. Maybe you should study him

Again you are showing your ignorance and hatred for those around you. Anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a bigot. I will agree with you on one point "Bigots don't like to have the mirror brought up to their hate filled eyes." I guess i'm in good company bigot

[Jacksonholenativ]

RONG! I love Martin Luther King, Jr. and look at him as a man of God. He was an incredible civil rights leader. Maybe you should read up on the history of his movement. Ever hea of Bayard Rustin? He was the man who wrote MLK's speech. Do you know what? He was Gay. Also are you aware that there are thousands of Church's who are support of of LGBT equality and civil rights? Maybe you need to start reading up on the facts of another civil rights movement. Google Soulforce when you can.

[funnystuff123d3]

I am well aware of his history and his movement. So because he had a gay speech writer who was arrested for engaging in sex crimes in public we should have gay marriage?

The thought of equating the civil rights movement with gay rights is insulting and demeaning to black people everywhere. You can't change your skin color and you can't hide your race. Homosexuality is not a race, rather it is an unnatural sexual attraction to the same sex. IT IS A BEHAVIOR. It is in the mind not on the skin.

[Jacksonholenativ]

You are so full of shit funnystuff and you're dead wrong about a person's sexual orientation being a behavior!! HOMOSEXUAL ORIENTATION IS NOT ANYMORE A BEHAVIOR THAN HETEROSEXUAL ORIENTATION YOU DUMBASS IDIOT BIGOT!!! Every single major medical, social and psychological organization in this country wholeheartedly disagrees with your anti-gay rhetoric! Sexual orientation is just as much an innate part of who you are as is your skin color!!! You are obviously deeply homophobic and a creep!

[funnystuff123d3]

"HOMOSEXUAL ORIENTATION IS NOT ANYMORE A BEHAVIOR THAN HETEROSEXUAL"

So you agree with me then insult me? I was being generous when I referred to homosexuality as a behavior. I could have called it a mental disorder or illness. After all it was considered a mental illness up until the late 70s and 80s and still is a few groups. No gays were ever forced to enter through the back door, sit at the back of the bus or use a separate toilet. You have no right to latch onto the suffering of blacks.

[Jacksonholenativ]

WRONG!!!! Homosexuality was taken off of the list of "mental disorders" in 1973. That was the year. Research it. I know the story very clearly. Gay people have been burned at the stake. They have been hung. They have been murdered and treated like pariah's so don't try to tell me that we have not suffered. Their suffering could fill volumes.

If people want to get married, I dont care if theyre the same sex. Not all civil rights are racial. CHARLES COBB, JR.

[Jacksonholenativ]

Also you have conveniently left out the fact that Koretta Scott King wrote and spoke in support of the gay community as a legitimate minority and said that her late husband would have been in favor of LBGT Equality.

Rustin's consensual sex with another man was considered illegal at the time and that was why he was arrested. Sodomy laws have been repealed as arcane dumb laws. Have you heard of the right to privacy?

[funnystuff123d3]

At least I can spell Corettas name correctly. One teaching all the civil rights leaders have in common is PEACEFUL NON-VIOLENT PROTEST. MLK and Coretta would both frown upon the actions of the angry hating gay protestors.

No wonder these men are attracted to men. They are afraid and threatened by women, especially harmless old ladies. And you are wrong about MLK. He would support family over perversion any day. A strong family makes a strong country. His own daughter shares this view.

[Jacksonholenativ]

You know that my intent was to spell her name correctly and if you have an issue with that you've really got a personal problem. You're really hung up on this little old lady. MLK WOULD support gay marriage just as his wife Coretta did. You need to take a good long serious look at how you became indoctrinated with such serious homophobia. I challenge you to see the movie MILK starring Sean Penn. Go see it. Then come back and tell me that gay people have not suffered from bigotry.

[funnystuff123d3]

wow. 100 fags afraid of a little old lady with a cardboard cross LMFO. Funny how there is no audio. HOW CAN A CARDBOARD CROSS COVER UP 20 SIGNS? And how is it inciting people by walking past them? First THEY cover HER cross then they assault her.

If I was a cop I would arrest the perpetrators for assault, elder abuse, vandalism, petty theft and intimidation. Then I would cite the entire crowd for unlawful assembly.

Whoever made this video is a retard.

Sad that this happened in America.

[Jacksonholenativ]

She can go to a separate area and picket as opposed to blocking the picketing of her opponent. She was obviously trying to block them out and then when the protesters of prop 8 tried to unblock their signs she was trying to block someone else tried to pull one of their signs out of the way. She deserved to have her damned bigoted cross thrown down. She should have stayed in her own protest area separate from her opponents.

[funnystuff123d3]

How exactly does ONE little old lady block a HUNDRED protectors and their signs? You really need your eyes checked if that's what you saw.

She had a sign that was blocked. Then the fags swarmed around her like animals, pushing and shoving her and ripping her sign from her frail hands then desecrating her cross.

There were no designated lines or fences dividing the sides. Why don't you watch the real video instead of this propaganda piece before you make a bigger fool of yourself VziklUbtHAE.

[Jacksonholenativ]

Ok, we have yet another BIGOT commenting on this post. ONE little old lady DID block at least TWO of the protesters who have just as much right to protest as she does. You're the one who needs your eyes checked u bigot. When I saw that you used the term "fags" "swarming around her" that's when I knew that you were just as much a bigot asshole as the people who protested in support of segregation. Bigots don't like to have the mirror brought up to their hate filled eyes.

[sblxi]

this is a dumbass video. some shit you don't do, and defiling a cross is one of them. no on 8 bitching about people believing lies about religion being affected by prop 8. well shit, with video like this, that just adds fuel to the fire. do you think anybody who is on the fence about gay marriage is going to look at this video and think they had any right to rip a cross out of an old lady's hand and step on it? this lack of social wisdom is why your asses lost in the first place, IMO.

[wind767]

Hmmm stopthemormons=stopthejews= genocide Yea you are the same as a fucking nazi. I really hope that your intolerance comes to an end and that one day you realize how your intolerance will fill your heart with sadness. I feel such pity for those that share your hateful regard for religion.

[Jacksonholenativ]

How stupid can you be. It's not hatred for religion it's the fact that LGBT people are sick end tired of being beaten down by some religions and some religious people all in the name of love and God. Until you walk in our shoes then you have no Idea what you're talking about.

[Clemburke1111]

If that was Florida instead of California ,,she would have been dead.

[deniszorch]

Fuck YOU whoever made this video. Get a fucking life.

[nekkidandrew]

Considering that it basically schools all the pro-8ers that have blown this shit out of proportion, I think it's a great video. Anyone who doesn't is just mad that their precious old woman is now, thanks to a closer analysis, rendered indefensible.

[chrisehogan]

whatevalife, I get sick and tired of the anti-gay crowd blowing this scene out of proportion. Nobody sees what she and her friends did before this. They showed up, started pulling at our signs and calling us sick, perverted and an abomination, and then expect us to be polite back? At the end of the day, she lost a piece of styrofoam, we lost our rights. Who's hurting more? Was it really necessary for her to kick people when they are down?

[soccawalka6]

Ah man, Hitler was so close to slaughtering the gays via torture chambers/mortar shells/crude decapitations with the tracks of tanks/ anal prodding with a flame thrower...so close

[chrisehogan]

Aegius,

You're right. The only thing the Yes on 8 people have done is boycott businesses and people who supported no on 8, assault an elderly gay man in a wheelchair, commit cyber terrorism by hacking into our website so people can't donate, and send letters to 8 gay bars in Seattle threatening to poison people's drinks with ricin. Did I mention nailing Matthew shepherd to a fense to die? Or calling in a bomb threat to the Ellen studio? No, the yes on 8 people haven't done anything wrong.

[eRev21]

This is ridiculous. I must ask: what are YOUR consequences if a gay couple were to get married? Apocalypse? No, wait, it's just gays getting married. Is it really that intolerable that people who love each other want to be together and have the same rights as married heterosexuals? It's preposterous to deny them that right, that is simply not our call. Let them live the lifestyle they have chosen, and let them have the same rights as any other couple who commits to each other.

[whatevalife6]

Stop the Hate.

YES on 8.

Stop liberal socialists from attacking the cross.

[Aegius]

I suppose that when anti-8 people send white powder in the mail to churches, force people to resign from their jobs, harrass, vandalize and invade churches, extort money from businesses(El Coyote, in LA), the Black list in Hollywood, "Mormons Go To Hell", "Mormons Go Back to Utah", that isn't where the real hate is coming from. The hate has been 100% from the anti-8 people.

[paidmeat]

@lindaenw - You said for me to define "normal" - In this case, the ability to pro-create which does something important -It keeps the Human race here. Thats NORMAL - Being GAY is not "NORMAL" - You also said straight people are fine with gays - No, Sorry your wrong AGAIN. Calif. is only 1 state that is not fine with it and the other 49 are not either this is something gays tell themselves to make them feel better and justified "Oh other people like us, why don't you?" Yeah sure they do.

[paidmeat]

@CATallboy You said "Don't make stupid analogies. It doesn't make any kind of point" Actually its a Great Point - You just don't like it...So for our viewing audience again, You can't call it gay "marriage". Its not a "marriage"...Its a love affair with the same sex. The word "marriage" is a way to try and redefine the meaning. In the REAL WORLD we use "Words" that mean something to identify the knowledge of it. When you try to spin it to give it YOUR meaning - Your wrong.

[eRev21]

No, it's a terrible point, however, it's a serious waste of my time to try to school an ignorant shit such as yourself in a public forum, as it would fly right over your head. Your broken grammar and childish logic incur no point. There is no "normal". Your thoughts are par the course of a retrogressive person as yourself; you're certainly fitting well into your self-defined normalcy by being an atypical nescient fuck.

[paidmeat]

@eREV21 - Of course! Liberals like you stand on your heads then try to tell everyone else the world is upside down.

[eRev21]

Sounds like you heard that line from an episode of the O'Reilly Factor. Regardless, it doesn't make any sense relating to my comment. An intelligent rebuttal or none at all please.

[paidmeat]

What Gays dont understand is their Way of life was tested and deemed NOT Accepted and they dont like it. Well,they can do what they want but dont get all stupid when people dont accept it. Besides, being GAY is NOT normal. If it were, wed seize to exist as a species. Forcing people to accept this behavior disguised as marriage is a Joke. If you have a "LEMON" and label it ORANGE its still a Lemon! Same is true with GAYS Just because they call it marriage doesn't make it so

[CATallboy]

Don't make stupid analogies. It doesn't make any kind of point. If you have a marriage certificate and write "donut" on top of it, it's still a marriage certificate!! What does that prove?

[thisisntjobob]

hahaha

you're an idiot.

gay people should be trying to show character and integrity

[condorman65]

Why dont they protest the black churches they were the ones that turned proposition 8 around. I guess they would rather pulverize an old lady. That be pulvarized by some healthy big black guys. WHAT COWARDS.

[loudnmouthy]

Why don't they protest the black churches they were the ones that turned proposition around.I guess they would rather pulvarize an old lady.That be pulvarized by some healthy big black guys.WHAT COWARDS."

Why didn't this little old lady who was "pulvarized"(actually,no one layed a hand on her)go to some protest rally held by black and latino gays and lesbians.

I assure you,they would have done more than merely shout her down.

[MyITRcom]

All created by your Government to keep you distracted from the shenanigans going on in Washington. Divided we fall and they know it!

Looks like she had the cross destroyed in simple response to her buddy trying to rip away his sign, they had it coming to them for sure. 

At least the didn't assassinate her like Dan White ( Right Wing Criminal who got off with only five years for murder of two public officers,no justice served to gays.) did to Harvey Milk.

[nblatsuu]

This is a pretty big stretch. My question is what does this have to do with mormons?

[johndoeguy]

Thanks for producing this slow motion version of the rally. Obviously nothing happened to this woman. Someone knocked a cross out of her hand and stepped on it. Big freakin deal.

[nekkidandrew]

Jadegoat, that's just the thing. They've been categorized as "different" people. And really, the distinction is such a small one -- but somehow, that's been spun into some wild, conspiracy theorist "agenda", instead of what it actually is: regular-ass people looking for the same rights as other regular-ass people.

[7hkey]

can you get more cliche than that? poor ol innocent lady just waiving big abnoxious cross an inch from your nose - ever heard about "personal space"?

and really, the only real confrontation was done by that guy in the white t-shirt: during the interview-attempt (by the way, what better place to interview a yes-on-8 person in the middle of the no-on-8 crowd?) and he is the one stomping the big foam cross. i say he's way in too...

[Thejadegoat]

Just looks to me like she was walking by with her right to protest. I did not see the old lady touch another persons sign or body. It just looks like a bunch of Gays pist off because they didn't get to cram their agenda on Christians. I really wish you gay people would stop comparing yourselves to black civil rights movements. It is not the same. Gays have never been slaves. They have always had the right to vote. They have been counted as people(different) but people. call it something else!!

[hgdjhjdfjg]

wow you really excuse how she was treated? if so you do not deserve the rights of a free country. then again that probably goes without saying since your whole premise is hatred towards mormons.

[CATallboy]

My point is that she set out to cause a commotion, so why is anyone surprised that she was successful?

[hgdjhjdfjg]

all she did was express herself, and civilized people would have respected her right to do so. since when is a cross such a terrible thing?

[CATallboy]

When it's shoved in the face of someone else.

[hgdjhjdfjg]

all i saw was her walking by them it's not like her cross blocked out their whole protest it would have to be the biggest cross on earth

[CATallboy]

Police keep between opposing sides of protests like this for a reason. The NO people were obviously minding the police and instructions to keep the sidewalk clear... and NOT for this old hag to come stand in front of 100+ protesting people with a cross.

Would anyone advise their senior citizen mother that this was a good idea? There's no question it was idiotic and she set out to rile up some people.

[CATallboy]

Plus, their first response was totally reasonable: stand in front of her. Trust me, I've run into idiots like this while I've been protesting. Most can be reasoned with to take up their own spot, but sometimes it's a game of let's keep moving ahead of each other.

But THE OLD HAG'S BUDDY comes out and tries to take the signs from people responding in this way, further escalating the situation.

Face it. She's an old hag... or rather, old troll looking for trouble.

[hgdjhjdfjg]

haha wow, 90% of the world population would say that you're a bigot for calling her an old hag, and if u think her expressing her opinion is so provocative, then what would u call a bunch of loud angry protesters clogging the streets? protesters who cannot accept counter-prtotesters are the lowest scum on this earth.

[CATallboy]

Are you dense? There is a difference between counter protesting and getting directly in someones face.  She did the latter. As I said, I've encountered this kind of thing a few times and what usually works best (since the other side is mostly christian) is to ask "now, come on, would jesus do that?"

A counter protesting mormon doing it to me thought about it and left. Later, he came back and apologized and said, no, it jesus would not have done that.

[hgdjhjdfjg]

no one can watch that video and honestly say that SHE was the one in THEIR face. even some of the protesters were trying to calm down the asshole ones. that big men are so threatened by a tiny old lady is pathetic beyond words.

[CATallboy]

Umm HELLO! Her buddy was the first one to start grabbing signs! Before that, people simply moved to the front like they were before her cross waving ass came along.

[hgdjhjdfjg]

he was justified in grabbing that sign because it had been shoved in front of her face because the cowards couldn't allow a differing viewpoint to be heard.

[Thejadegoat]

Are you dense?... You wouldn't even have this issue if you gay people would just call it something else why should we have to give you your wants when it strictly goes against our freedom of religion???? Because you know it wouldnt stop there. Then you would want schools to put books in about gays because their kids should feel the same... COME ON!!

[Jacksonholenativ]

Well you're pretty damned blind if you think that she just walked by them. She deliberately blocked their signs with her self-righteous message using Christianity and the Cross of Christ as a weapon of hate. I don't think Jesus would be very happy to have His message of love and healing being used as a weapon to divide and cause hate.

[hgdjhjdfjg]

i'm sure she's probably a total bitch but she does not bring shame on our republic nearly so much as the scumbags accosting her.

[Jacksonholenativ]

Oh get real. The cops should have done their job and told her to go to another section close-by.

[hgdjhjdfjg]

lol typical shrill lefty insulting the police. why are you so terrified of facing those who disagree with you up close? o ya because your opinions are bullshit

[Jacksonholenativ]

Terrified? WRONG!!! Part of me would like to beat the living shit out of bigots but then I'd be just as low as they are. Nope I'm not a bit afraid of dealing with bigots up close. Your opinions are bullshit asshole. Anyone who thinks that bigotry against a minority class is cool are incredibly stupid.

[hgdjhjdfjg]

but bigotry against the majority is a-ok huh? worthless scumbag.

[Jacksonholenativ]

Bigotry against the majority? What a stupid, emotion based argument with absolutely no substance whatsoever. Go to college and get an education.

[hgdjhjdfjg]

i guarantee i know more about politics than you

[Jacksonholenativ]

Sure you do and your postings on here show that you are incredibly educated. NOT.

[hgdjhjdfjg]

you're ignorant and a snob, sadly a common combination. good thing all normal gays are ashamed of antics like those of the christian-bashers in the video.

[Jacksonholenativ]

LOL - Christian bashers? Oh brother. I love the basic tenets of Christianity especially the teaching of atonement which the cross exemplifies. It's the abusive use of the bible and the cross that is unhelpful and not truly Christian. Again the woman was clearly (from all I see in this video) out of line and should have marched before cameras and not attempting to block other's signs as though she was some sort of martyr.

[hgdjhjdfjg]

if you're so threatened by a little old lady with a cross then wow, there's no hope for you

[Jacksonholenativ]

Get over it. It doesn't matter who it is it was still disrespectful of the free speech of others who were there. Watch the video closely. The woman was very self-righteous in her anti-gay antics pushing her cross in the faces of the no on prop 8 group, among which were also Christians and some Mormons.

[hgdjhjdfjg]

her cross could in no way block all the dozens of signs, i think the video speaks for itself, they reacted to her less-than-polite antics with disgusting savagery, but if there's no chance of us changing eachother's minds we may as well give up.

[funnystuff123d3]

did you create this video or just post it? I am quite surprised that any honest person with an ounce of intellectual integrity would attempt to twist this video around and blame the victim of a hate crime. An old lady walking across the street holding a cross gets assaulted. Have they no respect for the elderly? not to mention the first amendment. And what's worse you are defending the indefensible. You are behind the law breakers and bigoted ignorant disrespectful animals who hate others.

[Jacksonholenativ]

funnystuff123d3 is an obsessive nutbar who just wont quit even though funnystuff's argument has been lost.

[funnystuff123d3]

my argument has been lost? you never made an argument. You just repeat the same old talking points over and over and over again, never anything new with substance or merit. You have no valid points and now you refer to me in the third person when I am not even addressing you

[Jacksonholenativ]

funnystuff123 I don't give a damn whether you're addressing me or not. You keep obsessively repeating the same old bullshit over and over again and expecting people to agree with you. We don't so get over it.

[News4usall]

the video speaks for itself - and the protestors should be ashamed. At the very LEAST they owe her an apology.

[funnystuff123d3]

have you seen the ACTUAL video that aired on the news? The video you just watched was a cut-up job created by some mormon-hater. Notice which side is doing all the yelling and acting like a bunch of little kids.

The real video is probably under copyright too. Search Youtube for "VziklUbtHAE "

[Jacksonholenativ]

How could it be from a "mormon hater" when the Mormons don't believe in waiving crosses in crowds. They don't have crosses on their churches or anywhere else. In fact they decry the cross as the symbol and implement of the death of the Messiah. In fact some of the older Mormon leaders wrote about them as a symbol and part of the apostasy from original pristine Christianity.

[Jacksonholenativ]

funnystuff123 You're obsessed with this. It really shows how crazy and unbalanced you are.

[Jacksonholenativ]

funnystuff123d3 Waaahhhhhh waaahhhh waaahhh!!! Booo Hooo Hoooo Hooo!!! You're an idiot!

[funnystuff123d3]

wow your most intelligent response yet.

Another viewer with common sense sees this propaganda for what it is and you call News4usall an idiot? This says a lot about you

[Jacksonholenativ]

Actually funnystuff your insanity and insane obsessive response says everything about you.

[cashboxkeys]

i thought the lady in pink was yes on 8?