Abortion & Gay Militants at Scheidler Tribute

[Stormeyworld]

4:30 what an ugly beast!

[Stormeyworld]

The pro-deathers are such creeps! They come up with the dumbest things too. And why are guys there protesting? All of a sudden they can have kids? Stupid idiots.

[gitel13]

@Stormeyworld it does take two you know.

[esaflygiirl123]

haha and congrates to the IDK how many years of TERRORIZING BABYS ! all those people there are low class 0:08 has a satan worshiper ! theres some fat girl with a sign that says assholes ! whats up with all this chaos haha the pro life stands are never like this ! lol

[bluepuppyboy]

aren 't they sweet?

[FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7]

wtf, lol at title

[pwthcim]

Thanks for avoiding the issue, Harvey3rdman. You addressed neither Planned Parenthood (PP) founder Margaret Sanger's racisim ("black people are weeds," attended KKK rallies) nor PP's placement of its abortuaries in minority neighborhoods. Keep up using red herrings and straw man arguments. Those devices speak volumes. Perhaps you want to eliminate people of color as Ruth Bader Ginsberg (paraphrase: having too many people of a certain race , , ,). Shame, shame, shame.

[lizr87]

I think the guy with the "What if the fetus is gay?" sign is a little confused. Either that, or I'm a little confused. ?? He says he's "against killing people because they happen to be gay" I'm with him so far, but then I notice he's standing with the "right to choose to abort a fetus" side. Which begs the question: what IF a fetus could be proven to be gay? He is FOR the "right to choose" to abort that fetus... because it's gay?? I'm so confused!?!

[pwthcim]

I see you did NOT read the article by ATHEIST Doris Gordon on why she is pro-life. I suggest that you do so. Please see the Libertarians for Life website. When the least among us are torn, limb from limb, THAT is the sign of a sick society. That is abortion, killing the innocent. I try to speak up and work for them and the mother. I see you are are generalizing again. Please stop it, or it will continue to show ignorance!

[Harvey3rdman]

@pwthcim The sign of a sick society is one who have a small forum of individuals who think they have the right to control others and their behavior. I do not know what caused you to have such a void in your life as to arrogantly think you have the right to decide for all what to do with their lives but you should try and fill it in another constructive and positive way; What you say now is destructive, insensitive, negative and polarizing. It shows you do not know true Peace and wish to control.

[Harvey3rdman]

@Harvey3rdman "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, And wisdom to know the difference." You possess none of these and fail mostly at the last; I suggest you keep this prayer in mind every morning when you wake and every evening when you fall asleep.

[pwthcim]

@Harvey3rdman No, the real sign of a sick society is one that treats women as sex objects, as children as throwaways, as freedom as doing whatever they want but not doing what they ought. True peace is not found in a society that promotes moral relativism, which will lead to its collapse and is never truly liberating. Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, referred to black ppl as weeds and attended KKK rallies. How sick is that!

[Harvey3rdman]

@pwthcim Perception; Your hyperbolic emotional outburst proves how little inner peace you possess. I disagree wholeheartedly with your statement concerning moral relativism; It has merit in our society and in our country. Your suspicion of it leading to collapse exposes a lack of trust you feel for your fellow countrymen.

And of Sanger; Woody Allen behaved in a highly questionable manner with Soon Yi. This doesn't make his books or movies not funny.

[pwthcim]

A fertilized egg contains all of the genetic material it needs to produce a human being. That's Biology 101. Ever read atheist Doris Gordon's work on why people should be pro-life? See the Libertarians for Life website.

[Harvey3rdman]

@pwthcim I have one term for you to consider; 'Stem Cell Research'.

I believe in the quality of human life and if you read my posts you would know I am pro-life. I am also rabidly anti-government interfering with matters as such and you should be, too. Your approach is to appeal to the government to delve into matters personal and private utilizing invasive means to satisfy your idea of morality which is itself immoral.

Where does the power of the government end and freedom of choice begin?

[pwthcim]

@Harvey3rdman Why should a defenseless human being in the womb be subject to being sucked out of the womb, being torn limb by limb or poisoned by saline abortion? What is the justification for treating such a human in such a barbarous way? You support such thing?

[Harvey3rdman]

@pwthcim I support an individuals right to choose. What is cruel to me is your idea that you can decide for someone else what they can and can't do with their own body. You have no concern for these children once they are born. You would not defend their rights to be who or what they want to b. You are a victim of the worst kind of emotional propaganda and have the hubris to think you can dictate this to others. I choose life and implore [not dictate] to others to choose the same.

[Harvey3rdman]

@pwthcim If you do not support choice you stand a very good chance of eventually losing your own. You suffer the blindness of a 'normalcy bias' because you have been lead to believe that your religion is powerful and worldwide. I speak of Christianity from which the large portion of these emotional doctrines pour.

Those who fail to know history are doomed to repeat it.

And thank you for blithely sidestepping any of my points or questions by responding with rhetoric. Good Job!

[Harvey3rdman]

It is obvious from the arrogance of anti-choice people that their arguments of 'sanctity of human life' are bullshit. They never attend ant-war rallies and don't contribute to organizations committed to stopping genocide or removing age-old land mines from other countries left behind by the US [like in Viet Nam]. Their prime motivation is to judge and punish; They suffer the sin of claiming to 'know God's will'. They make religion, something solemn and wonderful, into something ugly and wrong!

[pwthcim]

@Harvey3rdman You sweep with a broad brush! What a ridiculous post!

[Harvey3rdman]

@pwthcim I believe my point is direct. 'Sanctity of Human Life' is unilateral so subsequently should be fought on all sides. People, living breathing adults and children, die everyday sometimes a direct result of a government and the ideologies you support [or choose to ignore while they charge forward] yet I hear no cry to cease this mindless killing and maiming from the anti-choice crowd.

Actions speak louder than words. Put your energy into alleviating this need to even consider termination!

[pwthcim]

@Harvey3rdman Again, you know this from all testimonies of pro-life people? Wow! How long did it take to compile such an extensive database of information?

[Harvey3rdman]

@pwthcim So you donate time to these causes in between telling people what to do with on-line commentary? The only folks I see that donate time to these causes are the same ones who agree with me that while aborting a child is against God's law it isn't against man's; It is a fool's errand to try and achieve this since it only serves to widen governmental control in all aspects of life and culture and will someday come home to roost in your backyard.

Sorry you don't [or can't] understand that.

[monk4029]

Your body your right, why don't you take your action and efforts towards adoptions and finding kids homes. You only care about what those choose do with their bodies.

[ENDRENOABORTION]

@monk4029

we do all that- we have point blank told women going into getting abortions that we will adopt their children but guess what ? - they kill their babys anyway; the stupid choices that they made to lead them to feel desperate are the same ones that lead them to the clinic

you should stand in front of an abortion clinic for a couple hours- a lot of these abortion minded couples own cars i could never hope to afford

its all about convenience- stop fabricating issues

[Harvey3rdman]

@ENDRENOABORTION Your statement here is in direct opposition of the claim you made to me on another video when I requested that, instead of spending time, money and effort on blocking someone from making a choice you should create low-cost or free childcare for those in need; Your response was that their children were NOT your responsibility. You say whatever is convenient for the sake of winning an argument rather than solving this issue.

Talk about fabrications...

[Harvey3rdman]

@ENDRENOABORTION And you have still blocked me from messaging you directly or voicing my views on your videos. Because you live in fear and darkness [IMHO]. Don't think you can bring the rest of us down there with you.

Unblock me when your ready to discuss this like an adult.

[ENDRENOABORTION]

@Harvey3rdman

i have read your message

[Harvey3rdman]

@ENDRENOABORTION But I am still blocked.

What is your viewpoint on the recent actions taken against the Catherine Ferguson School in Detroit, MI? I do not find this to be a fiscally sound measure and in fact find it to be heartless, cruel and short-sighted.

And you?

[ENDRENOABORTION]

@Harvey3rdman

i have read your message

[Harvey3rdman]

@ENDRENOABORTION Yet still fail to understand.

[ENDRENOABORTION]

@Harvey3rdman

i have read your message

[CatholicAmerican]

@monk4029

You're a pretender. You just abhor the biological fact that coitus is the act that produces new humans. You are saturated by a secular media which indoctrinates that sex is a multi partner recreation event that can be chemically, mechanically or medically sterilized and even video taped for other's amusement.

You have a dysfunctional and biologically indefensible view of the act of sex.

Now go ahead and proceed with your illogical diatribe. We've heard your talking points before.

[monk4029]

@CatholicAmerican In order to control sex and your disdain for safe sex justified by your god ordained views, you are against sex and it's creations. That's your pro life creed, to aim to control people and their choices, based around personal religious zealot extremist beliefs. But no need to worry the modern world of new politics and change will surpass your ideals and grow beyond your salem witch trial mentality and ancient sense of the world.

[CatholicAmerican]

@monk4029

What was I saying about diatribe? Forgive me. You are clearly a font of enlightened thought and your wisdom speaks for itself.

Not sure what religion has to do with observing the biological dynamics of human prenatal development? But you sound confident and sure of your world view so I guess it isn't inconsistent of you to ignore science so that you can cling to opinion. Science must be wrong about human life. I guess human emotion is capable of changing reality these days.

[CatholicAmerican]

@monk4029

Explain to me "safe sex".

Are you telling us that the act by which human beings are generated is not a safe act?

What screwed up and unnatural thing happened that made this a "dangerous act"?

[CatholicAmerican]

@monk4029

"control sex"...."protection"...."moder­n world"...."new politics"

Looks like you're the only one trying to control coitus. A law that is not grounded in reality is an arbitrary law. The "new politics" that you hold to is clearly an opinion fad that that has been observed time and time again in the annals of history. Ungrounded and without structure, it dies as reality sets in. Coitus produces humans. Nobody has the right to exterminate an innocent human.

Promiscuous sex is dangerous.

[CatholicAmerican]

@monk4029

You should really try watching this video. It is very clear that there is only one side that is producing a future. The abortion mentality can't sustain itself for very long and the longer that mentality infects a given society, the higher concentration of ignorance among adherents.

But have hope monk! Start having babies! It's great and they bring immense joy and stability to the world! It's only selfish sexual behavior which destabilizes the world.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican The arrogance of thinking that practicing safe sex or terminating a fetus BEFORE it becomes an unwanted tragedy is what seems to have destabilized you. I have three children; I know of a girl who also has three children. When we were younger and together we decided to abort a pregnancy that neither of us were prepared to have either mentally or fiscally. I'm sure that you feel that bringing that pregnancy to fruition should have been our punishment for having unprotected [cont'

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

You talk about "arrogance". The real arrogance is that you felt yourself so godlike that you and your sex partner took it upon yourselves to exterminate your child. Adoption is an ethical option is your circumstance and then after that respecting the natural dynamics of sexual intercourse and the real responsibility that is intimately joined with it.

There is hope after abortion. Rachael's Vineyard provides resources for healing after abortion.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican You've obviously never been to a real adoption agency or in a foster home. But your statement reveal the real fanaticism behind most ant-choice folk; You had unprotected sex and should be PUNISHED with the BURDEN of a child. Your actions have NOTHING to do with the 'sanctity of human life' and everything to do with vengeance and punishment.

And no thank you to any place like Rachel's Vineyard MINISTRIES who take people at their weakest and indoctrinate them. Religious Fascism.

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

It takes a lot of brainwashing and neglect to label another human as a "burden". You are abusing words in order to try and advance your dysfunctional world view. What you call "Punishment" is actually a unique member of the human race. What you call "happy" is something that was purchased by exterminating that unique human. This is the reality you have to deal with and stop living in denial. You killed a human to push your own design on this world and you badmouth your opposition.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican 'brainwashing' is a strong term; Not only a judgmental one [sin] but somewhat laughable when considering the comments you make and your moniker here on YouTube. One could say it is the pot calling the kettle black.

The only thing I oppose is the movement in this country to legally remove the right for someone to make a sane and safe choice while COMPLETELY IGNORING paths that would free women/couples from even considering it.

Think of amount spent in one year by AbortionNo.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican By very definition 'Catholicism' is a cult. You are it's product. No thank you sir. The God I know prefers free will and for Him to be the judge. Not you. And my 'sex partner' [we loved each other at the time-something an unfortunate like you will never understand] is now a mother of three and happy as am I because we did NOT burden ourselves or the community with what would almost certainly been an unhappy life. You missed the point with your myopia and, yes, arrogance!

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

By the very definition "Catholicism" is "Universal". The Greek word for universal is "καθολικός". The Catholic religion is the only one that God Himself started and that is why to date, She is the longest lasting religion in history, with a papacy that historically traces back 265 men to Christ Himself who gave Her the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. Please don't start a diatribe on a subject that is older than you and is extensively documented in the annals of history.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican Catholicism is distinguished from other forms of Christianity in its particular understanding and commitment to tradition, the sacraments, the mediation between God, communion, and the See of Rome.

Problem is most Catholics fail to understand the practices or tenets of their own religion and follow rituals blindly without understanding while their leaders accept this blind faith. That is the definition of a cult.

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

Catholicism is distinguished from other forms of Christianity in that all other forms of Christianity are branches that have skewed off FROM Catholicism. Do a timeline on any of them. It's an historical fact. There's no bible without the Catholic Church.

"Follow rituals blindly".? Catholicism spreads more rapidly in an intelligent populace. That's why Catholics have built more Universities than any other institution in the world. So quit making up stories.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican Just because you had a 2000 year head start at taking a stranglehold on education and around the world in government does not mean you are NOT a cult.

Your very comment proves my point. These institutions exist and have these names because they would NOT have been financed without the benefit of money provided by the church. The pursestrings of the world for centuries have been held by the Church, moreover the Catholic Church!

Do you know the origin of the Viet Nam war?

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

Oh, I get it now. The Catholic Church is a 2000 year old University building science advancing sheep factory.

She advances ADULT stem cell research and NAPRO technology. She has the oldest scientific academy in existence. She has 2 world class astronomical observatories but She insists that her followers shut up and don't ask questions.

Well if you ask me, I think YOU had better rethink your ignorant assault on Catholicism. If only all cults advanced mankind like Christ's Church.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican BTW I never said all or even any of the educational institutions financed by the Catholic Church were simply religiously blind canning factories; In fact I never mentioned them at all. You brought them up. But my statement stands concerning the Vatican and world finance. Consider John Paul I from 1978 who wanted to interfere financially with the Vatican Banks involvement with Banco Ambrosiano. Only served for 33 days? Coincidence?

How about the formation of the Lutheran Church?

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican "There's no Bible without the Catholic Church" that statement shows a serious lacking in ecumenical or theological studies. Ever read the Torah? How about the Qur'an? Striking similarities in those scriptures and the Old Testament.

A blind member of a cult is what you are. Keep ranting. You keep proving me right and making yourself look narrow-minded and ridiculous at the same time.

And stay on point; You still think your religion trumps freedom of choice in this country.

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

The bible was fully compiled in the year 393 at the Catholic council of Hippo. That's an historical fact that you can look up for yourself.

What you call "ecumenical" is really just good old fashioned relativism which also seeks to avoid grounding statements in historical fact.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican Yes, I am aware. But my statement still begs the question; What did they use as a template for the Old Testament?

Before accusing someone of being unaware of history you should try and comprehend the question thoroughly prior to answering. You prove that you funnel ALL of your history and studies through the Catholic viewpoint which can, at times, be slanted.

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

Point out the "slant". If it really is slanted as You say, then you should be able to objectively unmask it as such. Right now you're just posturing and not providing any substance. It's not slanted just because You say so. If you are the reference point for something being slanted then that's a lot of power for one person to wield now isn't it? Convenient for you and your world view though.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican Answer my questions; What did the Council use as a template for the Old Testament? What is the reason for the birth of the Lutheran Church; Why did Ho Chi Minh find it necessary to employ Marxism and the removal of religion from VietNam? The widespread arrogance of Christianity as a whole and Catholicism for the most part is responsible for so much civil unrest worldwide that you have to be historically blind and/or stupid not to recognize it. Those that fail to know history...

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

"freedom of choice". Why do you hide behind a euphemism? "Choice". Why do you run from the word abortion. You pro-aborts are all the same, "It's just a clump of cells" "Choice" "D&C procedure" "aborting the product of conception".

You word smiths keep trying to twist words in order to hide the reality of what abortion is and what it does to a mother and an innocent human in the womb.

It is just shameful and sick. If you were confident then you wouldn't devise euphemisms.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican As if the anti-choice movement doesn't refer to microscopic zygotes as "babies" and "children". The clever choice [oooh that term again] of words to advance one's agenda [versus a term like 'freedom of choice' to express the rights given to Americans] falls on both sides of this argument-but it is easy to see why you would resort to such nitpicking, fingerpointing and namecalling. I suggest removing the log from thine eye before attempting to remove the splinter from mine.

[CatholicAmerican]

That Catholic Church is some cult!

The University of Paris, Universitas Magistrorum et Scholarium, Abbey of St. Denis, University of Reims, Collège de Bons Enfants, University of Cologne, University of Vienna, Charles University in Prague, Notre Dame, University of Dallas, Michigan University, Boston College, Ave Maria University, Georgetown, Gonzaga University, Villanova, and Fordham University.

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

Oh and don't forget that the Catholic Church has built over 600 hospitals in the United States alone. But if it's just a cult maybe we should blindly shut them all down or discount the people they heal.

How about the revolutionary thinkers like George Lemaitre, the Father of the Big Bang theory.

Abbot Gregor Mendel, the Father of Genetics.

Franciscan Friar, Roger Bacon, the Father of Scientific Laws.

Bunch of blind cult members eh?

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican And how many of these men were condemned initially by the Catholic church? How many problems were they presented with by the Church during their studies? How about Pascal? Galileo? Copernicus?

Talk about 'brainwashed'. Face it. You belong to a cult. -a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies; a great devotion to a idea, person or thing.

And by the nature of your comments have little understanding to that of which you worship

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

Pascal Galileo and Copernicus are in my list of Catholic thinkers who were educated at Catholic universities and who ran in groups of Catholic intellectuals.

Don't forget that Copernicus' "On the Revolutions of the Heavenly Bodies" was dedicated to Pope Paul III.

Then there's other thinkers like St. Archbishop Nicolas Steno, the Father of Geology.

Rene Descartes, the Father of Modern Rationalism.

Fr. Marin Mersenne, the Father of Acoustics.

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

Andreas Vesalius, the Father of Modern Anatomy and Physiology.

Antoine Lavoisier, the Father of Modern Chemistry.

Louis Pasteur, the Father of Pasteurization.

Pierre Duhem, the Father of the History of Medieval Science.

Fr. George Coyne, the discoverer of asteroid 14429 Coyne.

Dr. Martin Nowak, discoveries in evolutionary dynamics.

Guglielmo Marconi, the Father of Radio.

What a big ignorant cult the Catholic Church must be to oppress the world with such intellectuals.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican You fail to include the arguments that most of these free thinkers had [or trials they suffered] with most of the church elders. Most of them relied on the argument that the search for the 'TRUTH' was and is always the search for 'GOD'. Because GOD is TRUTH and LOVE.

It's true that these folks were educated at Catholic Universities and schools but like most historians you fail miserably at telling the true tail of what they suffered at the hands of religious Luddites. Nice try

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican Besides, stay on point. How does a woman you do not know having an abortion affect your ability to practice and preach what you believe in our country? How does it affect you at all unless you intend to mind other peoples business? How do you equate you imposing your beliefs on someone else constitute freedom. You understand, I hope, that undermining someone else's right to choose only weakens your ability to continue to choose to worship as you want in a free society?

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

You have no real right to exterminate a defenseless human in utero. This is a current arbitrary U.S. law and it is a bad law because it is opposed to the natural design of the human body.

Maybe you should educate yourself on the facts surrounding human prenatal development before you continue playing the hypocrite. Google search "The Biology of Prenatal Development DVD" It is produced by the Endowment for Human Development and released by National Geographic.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican Is it your intention then to make all women's fertilized uterus into a public utility? Do you NOT see the slippery slope into genetic fascism? And if the baby born turns out to be homosexual are you going to fight as hard for it's rights or will you then return to your religious doctrine and force them into heterosexuality to satisfy your own myopic view of 'right' and 'normal'?

If there is someone here who needs to to some soul-searching and to 'educate' themselves it is you.

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

"all women's fertilized uterus into a public utility"

That is an extremely ignorant comment. 1. It is biologically impossible for a uterus to be fertilized. The sperm only fertilizes an egg. The uterus is where the new human gestates. 2. "Public Utility". Sex is not an act for the public and a woman, it is an act for a married man and woman.

You have a multifaceted dysfunctional view of the sexual act.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican Where is the egg located? And in usual fashion missed the point; If this decision is to be decided by consensus or legal decree the ONLY way to employ or enforce it is that when a woman becomes pregnant it BECOMES PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE! You have a rock between your ears filled with emotional and religious nonsense causing you difficulty to understand even the simplest of arguments. And I will NEVER stand for sexual oppression or the invasion of reproductive rights by dolts like you.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican You have your atheist past pushing you to fill an endless void in you-and I will re-state publicly you have not truly found God seeing your endless need to control others. It stems from dissatisfaction and God would have filled that need in you.

And you hurl-'pro-abortion' label at me even though I've stated quite 'succinctly' that I am pro-life AND pro-choice. You are anti-choice and anti-reproductive rights and have no justification for it other than that emptiness inside you

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

You are a relativist. When you say you are pro life and pro choice, you are falling into a basic philosophical error. In our reality something can't be and not be at the same time. You have adopted to antithetical positions and you try to reconcile them with words but what you really end up doing is constructing a position that can't exist in reality. It's like the person who insists that he can fly, jumps off a building and...Reality judges his words to be erroneous.

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

You can only falsely blame religion and keep trying to bate religious questions for so long before it is empirically clear that you are the only one trying to bring religion into this.

I've cited the biological facts of human reproduction and human prenatal development. If you want to keep the blinders on, well, that's your business. I'll just keep pointing to ultrasounds, fusion of gametes, 46 chromosomes, unique DNA, and the purpose and function of human sexual anatomy.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican You have stated biological 'opine' and discredited nonsense siting no source other than your own tiny and addled mind. You utilize your view and junk science to prop up your obviously religion-induced opinion [CatholicAmerican?]. The research on human sexuality is still in its very early stages and has been blocked thoroughly by supposedly upstanding individuals like you.

"Man descended from apes? Poppycock!"

"Why we all know the planet is only 6-10,000 years old."

Get a clue.

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

One of the men I cited to you a few days back is Martin Nowak who pioneered the study of evolutionary dynamics.

Maybe you should stop putting your foot in your mouth. I'm a Catholic, I'm not bound to the scientific errors of protestants who broke away from the only Church that Christ started. You're full of cheap insults aren't you. Typical pro-abort.

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

There is no such thing as a "gay gene". Homogenital activity is a learned behavior. It is environmentally conditioned in a person during life. There is no such thing as a gay fetus. You are so twisted. Cease your nonsense here. It is clear that your only intention here is defamation. Sadly, this is a common characteristic of those who support abortion as some kind of right.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican And your evidence of this particular science gem is found where? In the dark cavern of your own butt cleave or that of some other confederacy of idiots like NARTH.

Your comments confess to all that you represent religious and sexual fascism backed up with little to no understanding of sexuality or sociology. If anyone here is spouting uninformed nonsense backed up by self-serving rhetoric and junk science it's the person you see in the mirror.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

"The Biology of Prenatal Development" is endoscopic footage of every stage oh human development in the womb. You can watch the entire video for free on vimeo by searching for "Biologia dezvoltării prenatale | The Biology of Prenatal Development".

The abortion industry no longer has a strangle hold on woman's intellects. The internet has made a great deal of scientific fact accessible to the every day knowledge seeker.

Educate yourself!

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican ...'abortion industry'? Now who's hiding behind clever inflammatory euphemisms?

And the hubris to think that because women make this choice that they are somehow hypnotized in a Svengali-like fashion becoming incapable of rational thought simply because they make a choice you disagree with is plainly arrogant and selfish.

I suggest you meditate.

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

It is the job of God's Church to highlight what is true and what is false. What is true is that abortion exterminates another human. What is false is that a human has a natural "right" to abort/exterminate another human in the womb.

Do you insist that the little one whom you aborted, was not a human?

Your actions were that of a utilitarian.

But have hope! This horrible state of affairs can be made new by acknowledging the evil and instructing others not to do as you did.

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

I am currently helping one infertile couple find a child to adopt. They would argue you and win the argument about weather or not you would be "burdening" a society by not killing the human you made but did not want. It is shameful that you defend abortion when there is a waiting list for couples who want to adopt.

Don't be that person who perpetuates the evil of abortion in our world. Convert your heart and live in the light! Abortion is absolutely senseless in the natural order.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican For which you are to be commended and I find you and the situation you present to be the exception rather than the rule. You misunderstand me if you think that I don't still ponder that decision and wonder; Would we still be together and happy? I only know that we have children now and are happy separately. Also I am both pro-life and pro-choice. Your actions seem to tell me you are the same if you do not affiliate yourself with those bent on making choice illegal.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican Many things in the human existence are senseless but there are no absolutes. I perpetuate nothing but the freedom of choice and free will. You do not have the last word in 'natural order' and cannot, in good conscience, dictate it through legal means-which is the intention of most in the anti-choice movement. I will console and advise as I see fit but not to clear my conscience as it is not sullied with the same fears and superstitions that you suffer. Choose life. Choose!

[Harvey3rdman]

pre-marital sex. I have experienced tremendous joy and happiness from my children as this woman has from hers. She is happily married to another man and lives in another state. Your attitude is what will bring more confusion, unhappiness and instability to our world. You are looking at things through the wrong end of the telescope and I conclude that your actions seek to punish not console.

We can have children when we are ready to. Not when YOU think we should.

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

You are trying to spin a false narrative. The argument around abortion is that at conception there is a new member of the species homo sapiens. Another human has no right to exterminate another member of the human race. A human is not a "punishment" as you say. People who are pro abortion do not want to acknowledge the biological facts surrounding human prenatal development. They want sex whenever with whomever. They don't want the responsibility of sex. It's dysfunctional behavior

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican I spin nothing, sir. I tell my personal tale. I long for a world when every time a woman is with child she will have such unbridled support [unfettered by such religious doctrines] as to celebrate with life. Can you tell me with confidence that you know everyone's situation or reasoning behind making this choice? Do you think we made this choice lightly? I cannot reach through these wires to open your eyes or your mind-I can only try to convince you of the error in your thought

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

Another example of you spinning the narrative is how you try to make the discussion dependent on me. "Not when YOU think we should."

The biological facts of human creation and development exist weather I am here to defend them or not. They is the beauty of living according to the Truth. At conception there is a new unique 46 chromosome human who has his/her own unique DNA. Things like the gender, hair and eye color are set in stone at conception.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican My position is this is not a decision to be made by decree or consensus; It is to be made by the person with the uterus. Her uterus is NOT a public utility-especially when those that have the hubris to try and make this decision then subsequently abandon her socially and monetarily the moment she gives birth. Biological facts aside because they are off point. This is a delicate and personal decision and if your uterus is not involved [if you indeed possess one] it isn't yours.

[ENDRENOABORTION]

you have the right to kill your baby but they dont want anyone to choose to post a video of them carrying signs and chanting in public on You Tube ?

they want to kill the baby and keep the bathwater too

[CatholicAmerican]

The "my mom is pro choice" girl believes that you're only permitted to record the abortion movement when they have been prepped to be on camera. That way they have a chance to tell the confused boy to stay home and have everybody else decline to make off the cuff statements.

GET OUT THERE WITH CAMERAS PEOPLE! That's all we have to do. Record the reality of abortion and the society that it cultivates. Stop letting the main stream media spin a false narrative!

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican What is this 'false narrative' of which you speak? You do know we live in a free society. Despite your evangelical ranting you've failed to prove anything rings false. You are allowed to express your viewpoints (that are obviously blinded by your religious indoctrination and fear) but you've yet proven to any of us how a woman you don't know choosing to having an abortion directly affects you.

Unless you feel a God-like complex to control others which is a mental defect.

[lizliz1112]

I think the Pro-aborts are so fired up because they know they are losing. The Pro-Abortion cause is actually quit lazy, so the fact that they are being so active lately shows to me they are getting scared.

[owlgirl13]

Satan is alive and doing well in these pro-abortion people.

[KnightOwl2006]

Spoiled, sociopathic, immature brats.

This is what you get when you value lifestyles instead of life.

[downriggershop]

LOL. Spare a thought for the parents of that ladyboy at the start of the video.

[chanloveshush]

It's really sad to see the anger alive in the pro-abortion people. It is interesting to contrast the way in which each side responds to the issue. I don't recall pro-life individuals using vulgar language or hatred towards the opposition. (see the pro-life flash mob:) )

Pro-life people respect and LOVE LIFE :)

Pro-abortion people are filled with murderous venom. The people themselves are not evil, but the ideology they are subscribing to is evil. Pray for the poor misguided souls :(

[Harvey3rdman]

@chanloveshush When my daughter was 4 years old a Pro-life individual came up to my family and showed us the most abhorrent and frightening pictures of aborted fetuses. I asked her to not reveal such things to my daughter. She responded about how my girl should learn early the horrors of abortion and how lucky she is not to be one of them. I insisted that it was inappropriate and that she should put them away before I call a policeman. She started yelling about 'oppression' as we walked away.

[pwthcim]

@Harvey3rdman The bottom line is . . . does human life begin at conception? If so, does such human life deserve to be killed in the womb?

[Harvey3rdman]

@pwthcim A good question. Do you think a government that fails us financially is equipped to dictate such an answer? To some human life begins at conception. These people tend to bring a happy life into the world. For others it isn't so and decide to abort the life inside them. I am not happy to say that I once took advantage of this but fear for a world where this private and delicate decision is made by consensus and decree rather than by the person whose uterus contains this fertilized egg.

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

I am grateful that you are engaging in public discussion on abortion. It is better than the silence of indifference and it gives rise to words that can clarify the reality of the act.

Truly Aristotle was correct when he stated his observation that "man is by nature a social creature". When we cave to indifference, society erodes and sufferings increase. Man was not created to suffer in loneliness.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican Thank you for that. Please remember it is not my intention to dictate to anyone what their beliefs should be. Mine are challenged often and I have no easy or final answers to this question. I only believe that a person's sexual and reproductive rights are their own and think they have no direct influence or derogatory causal effect in the life anyone else. As I've gotten older I believe people should choose life whenever possible and that life is a beautiful and precious gift.

[CatholicAmerican]

@Harvey3rdman

What are "reproductive rights"? This sounds like an arbitrary term that has no official definition.

When does a human gain "reproductive rights"?

What is the justification for placing "reproductive rights" above the right to life?

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican been @ work. Feeding my family does take precedent over trying to enlighten someone. If you google the term reproductive rights the 'Center for Reproductive Rights' comes up almost first [with a .org after the name]. I suggest you obtain a direct answer from the source.

I am for the rights of the actual living breathing adult individual as this is the person I can convey, in a civil manner, my thoughts on her choice to terminate. You are not concerned with the mothers rights.

[Harvey3rdman]

@CatholicAmerican BTW Why so impatient? You never responded to more than half of my queries [ie similarities in the Torah, Qu'ran & Old Testament; origin of the Lutheran Church; origin of the Viet Nam Conflict; why your religious beliefs should trump freedom to choose] You have not responded to any of those. You merely deflect them with more rhetoric while weaving between junk science and religion as your defense. Simply because things don't align with your ideologies doesn't make them wrong.

[zakneifien]

I believe in a woman's right to choose to close her legs to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

What I find amusing is almost 90% of abortions happen purely for convenience, yet I would be willing to bet dollars to peso's that they oppose any and all wars.

What confuses me is that gays are protesting anti-abortion groups when (to the best of my knowledge) no homosexuals have ever had an abortion.

[Janet4forlife]

Regarding that mouthy woman on the video, the lady behind the camera should have responded with, " IF YOU WON'T STOP CHOOSING ABORTION I'LL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CALL YOU A BABY MURDERER".

[Harvey3rdman]

@Janet4forlife a zygote is not a 'baby'. Your terminology is as inflammatory as your mind is narrow. These children are just as deplorable as the other side of the spectrum which from your comment you must represent. The only answer is for all of us to tend our own garden; To take pleasure in what we achieve and learn from our mistakes.

The only reason to own a handgun is to take a life-a human life. I do not choose to repeal the 2nd Amendment because I feel most take gun ownership responsibly.

[Graciethemom]

Oh pro-aborts... you really just don't know how to represent your position well do you. I love when these silly hysterical nut jobs get nasty, vulgar, angry and think they're so funny ("if you can't read... blah blah blah"). Keep on acting like that pro-aborts. You're just exposing the truth about abortion and those that support it.

[MaryHaskell1]

Sad people.

[pwthcim]

The anger, hatred ,and vulgarity of the pro-aborts is a symptom of their inner hurting. They have been lied to by a secular and warped culture. Lord have mercy.

[ella1956]

America fighting to kill babies.. Sodom and Gomorrah all over again.. The homosexual agenda and killing babies is a sin against almighty GOD..

[gracearmstrong239]

Does the pro-abortion movement have no other way to spread their message but through hate and vulgarity?

[ENDRENOABORTION]

@gracearmstrong239

check out my videos on the disgusting abortion mill and doctor in reno

[Harvey3rdman]

@gracearmstrong239 One could ask the same of so-called 'pro-lifers'.