Political Correctness, Interconnectedness and Decentralisation

[theracemixer]

@zwiiyt

In an interview he said his comment was taken out of context.

Also deCODE Genetics research company found out he has 16% African DNA , 9% Asian.

[theracemixer]

@zwiiyt

Most scientists don't believe in race because it describe nothing in biological term.

back in the days scientists grouped all of human kind in 3 group negroid, mongoloid and caucasoid but with thehuman genome project (the 1990) showed a contradiction of grouping.

[shingenification]

The National Party sounds like the Democrats in the US - no coherent ideology or morality.

[kawaiigardiner]

@shingenification Republicans are even worse - they have that plus scumbags who are going to run for president; I wish it were Gary Johnson or Jon Huntsman but we all know the knuckle draggers known by the colloquialism of 'grass roots' or 'salt of the earth' where they'll pick someone like Buchmann, Gingrich or Rick Perry - socially conservative nitwits with only a brain cell between the three of them.

[iCalintz]

@shingenification I would say we lack a "centralized" ideology. And the reason for that stems from the lack of homogeneity in our party. Also, as liberals(Not that all Dems are, but many happen to be.) we typically have a lot of in-fighting. For example, some of us feel repressed by what we see as "trying to be nice and moderate" whilst those opposed to us think we are too extreme and rude. Republicans are disciplined, so they have a strong central message.

[kawaiigardiner]

@iCalintz I'd argue that the Republicans handle descent differently such as when Christine O'Donnell ran in Delaware where rather than the establishment coming out against her publicly they pulled out the financial support from her; the appearance of discipline by the lack of vocal descent from those at the top shouldn't be confused for having a coherent message just an example that the party leadership itself lacks the backbone to keep everyone in the party on the same hymn sheet.

[iCalintz]

@kawaiigardiner I remember that. I also notice Fox News is sort of used as a means to attack a candidate that has fallen out of favor with the party. Good point man, I hadn't ever thought of it that way really. I suppose I was too busy admiring how aggressive they are. Thanks again fort the insight.

[kawaiigardiner]

@iCalintz I think Rand Paul went through the same situation but eventually the party establishment got behind him. I guess where I stand I'm lucky in that the parliamentary system seems to gear itself to greater party discipline than the system in the United States has.

[OrtegaSeason]

Also, where did you hear that only an Arab can be the President of Iran? I’m pretty sure Khamanei is Azeri and in general Arabs are repressed in Iran. Even the Grand Ayatollah of Iraq is a Persian and I’ve heard that most Shi’ites in Southeast and Central Asia are Persiaphiles.

[kawaiigardiner]

@OrtegaSeason The different turbans worn detonate ones lineage with the grand Ayantolla claiming to be a distant descendent of Muhammad IIRC. Those who wear a black turban denote their Arab lineage where as those with white ones denote their persian lineage. To quote 'chasing a mirage' page 67: "An applicant for the job would have to prove his roots to the Arabs of Mecca of the 8th century, and not just any meccan arabs; he would have to belong to (cont).

[kawaiigardiner]

@kawaiigardiner the meccan arab tribe of the Quraysh. And not just any quraysh, but the hershemite clan; he would have to find his roots to the hashemites related to the prophet himself. And not just any relative of the prophet, but only those who can prove their lineage to his daughter fatimah and her husband Ali Ibn abu Talib. These men are known as the seeds. Only an arab syed can rule the country as its supreme leader".

[OrtegaSeason]

@kawaiigardiner I thought you meant "arab" in the sense of culturally arab ie speaks Arabic and follows arab customs. The definition quoted above would exclude most "arabs".

[kawaiigardiner]

@OrtegaSeason True - maybe the better term would be Bedouin?

[OrtegaSeason]

@kawaiigardiner Who would Bedouin be a better term for?

[OrtegaSeason]

I think the idea of Islam being an alien force in Iran is something largely created by Iranians living in Europe and America in response to the revolution. There are many Arabs and Turks who like alcohol and women as well. It’s similar to Europeans who belittle Christianity in favour of “paganism” because they see it as being more original and authentic. They’re not a serious religious force in society however.

[MsMrNoface]

I was thinking political correctness is similar to environmentally friendly. But I relate it personally thinkers post WWII theorizing that if they put enough social pressure on the symptoms of bigotry they could eliminate it.

[kawaiigardiner]

@MsMrNoface The problem with such wishful thinking on their behalf is that it creates a siege mentality which feeds people with such views that 'the system' is trying to 'keep them down' because they 'have the truth'. The anti-holocaust denial laws in Europe have fed into this mentality held by 'certain groups' who use it as a lynch pin to their 'zionist conspiracy theory' that is perpetuated through certain institutions that shall remain nameless :D

[iCalintz]

@kawaiigardiner Siege mentality will always exist because irrational hatred of something is just an innate part of us. And if the majority against said hatred, for example racism, those people will always feel isolated.

[theracemixer]

If we go back to 1900 Muslims in Africa sow themselves as part of the Ottoman Islamic empire, they even fought along side of the Ottomans when Europeans were fighting the Ottomans.

The one thing we must clear-up is Syria, Lebanon and Iraq are not Arabs they are Arabized ( the same with the countries in Africa)

[kawaiigardiner]

@theracemixer True, thank you for the correction - but do Syria see themselves as Syrian's in terms of a national identity or are there deep divisions along tribal/ethnic/sectarian lines?

[theracemixer]

Technically Saudi, Yemen and Oman are purely Arabs.

What i find interesting is before islam the Arabs were killing each other along clan and tribal lines. if it wasn't for Mohammed establishing a islamic state him as the leader the tribe in the Saudi would not come to power known as Arabs.

[theracemixer]

If i was a gambling man  the future out come of the sunni middle east it would be on two variables.

1) Whoever controls Syria and Lebanon.

2) Economic and military.

Do you have any questions ?

[OrtegaSeason]

@theracemixer Whats the difference between Arab and Arabized?

[kawaiigardiner]

@OrtegaSeason Arab can be viewed as a pan-ethnicity and a race - for example, a person who adopts Arab social/cultural norms and the Arab language but remains an Egyptian for example; if one were to strictly talk about Arabs in terms of a racial grouping then you'd be talking about Saudi Arabia/Yemen/Oman (basically where Islam started off). It brings up a whole bigger issue of what it means to be an Arab but that needs a section in its own right.

[OrtegaSeason]

@kawaiigardiner I don't believe in race, but even within conventional definitions of race I don't Arabs or Jews for that matter can really be said to consititute a race. There are Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula who have "middle eastern" features and there are others like Obaid Karki on youtube who have more SubSaharran African features. I've seen Peninsula Arabs who like even more SS-African than him.

[OrtegaSeason]

@OrtegaSeason Sorry that should have said "look" more SubSaharran African than him.

[theracemixer]

@OrtegaSeason

Arabs are an ethnic group that belong in the Arabia arabian peninsula (saudi,UAE,Yemen,Oman, Kuwait, Qatar and Bahrain)

Arabized are group of people who adopted Arab culture, religion,langue.

e.g if someone from China goes to US and adopt the US culture at home and outside he/she would be called Americanized.

For the record the non Arabs who became Arabized were forced into it by conquest.

[OrtegaSeason]

@theracemixer What about the great-great-great-grandchildre­n of the chinese immigrant? Are they Americanized or are they American?

[theracemixer]

@OrtegaSeason

US is an exception since US is made up immigrants.

[OrtegaSeason]

@theracemixer How so? I'm pretty sure most of the people currently in America were born in America.

[theracemixer]

@OrtegaSeason

In a way i agree but US don'sen't have a standardized culture e.g people from the south have different culture than those in the north) much of American culture is from the old world (Europe)

But its starting to form its own standardized culture.

[OrtegaSeason]

@theracemixer I'd say that America has as much a standardised culture as most places. To stop going around in circles I think the problem is you're looking at cultures as emerging from specific geographies when they don't. Cultures emerge from groups of people. Europe is Europe because of the Roman EMPIRE. Europe doesn't have some innate essence that has caused it to be as relatively monocultural as it is. It wasn't that way before the Roman Empire.

[kommissarw]

Just started watching this 27:04 length quick video.

Have you considered/tried limiting yourself to ONE subject per vid?

Sure it gets mightly frustrating when subjects overlap, but in the intro you mentioned you intended to cover a few subjects, they didnt seem that related.

[kawaiigardiner]

@kommissarw I used to do smaller videos in the past but these days I have only a few days off each week so when I have the chance I tend to create a video that addresses a 2-3 subjects. The other problem is also that when in the past I've made several videos I found that people would ignore the other ones and only watch the latest one thus I wondered why I even made the other two videos to begin with hence I lump it all in at once.