colin baker was a brilliant doctor just shit writers and locations etc it wasnt him on the regeneratiojn though it was mccoy before and after how? mccoy was waering a wig during the 'regeneration' to impersonate baker :)
I liked Colin's doctor simply because he was willing to tell idiots that they were so. David Tennant's Doctor, as much as I love him, was way too 'humans are stupid, but I love em!' For such an astoundingly intelligent person, he has a very unlikely high level of tolerance for stupidity.
I've seen all the Ecleston and Tennant episodes, and am in the midst of the Hartnell episodes. I watched a little of Colin Baker with my girlfriend, and from what I saw, I really liked the Sixth Doctor. He really seemed to have an attitude about himself.
Man, it's taking a long time to watch through the old seasons, though, but I"m enjoying them. It doesn't matter what's going on, they always get seperated in every episode. It just doesn't matter what the plot of that episode is.
Sylvester McCoy should have been the sixth Doctor. Colin Baker should have never been cast. Epic casting mistake!!! Sylvester would have been great right after Peter Davison. How Colin Baker became the Doctor, I will never know! Colin Baker needs to retconned out of Dr. Who forever!!!!
I believe that if Colin's idea's were used things would've gone a whole lot better. He did a marvelous job with tremdous handicaps. This regenration is the second worse. he seems to have simply fallen over for heaven's sake! (Slyvester's end was the worse. he walks into a hail of bullets!)
If the Tardis out-of-control and crashing triggered the doctor to regenerate, wouldn't it have killed a human? So how come he regenerates and she's alive? The point about regeneration is that it's to get through what a mortal wouldn't survive isn't it? (sorry - I'm only really looking for excuses to EXTERMINATE Miss Langford for bad acting. But it's not her fault - she probably read the scripts in those days and thought she was in Scooby Doo or something.) God that era was awful.
@BNCA70 theirs a whole range of books and audios the bench this gap between trial and rani up apparently he was wounded in a fight and the rani following him through his adevntures found him at his weekest and attacked him his head was wounded so it regenerated prematurley so thats why its sylvester no collins face
@theblehguy1 the sixth doctor got into a battle with his greatest enemy: MICHEAL GRADE (and his idiotic servant 'JNT') who had a device known as 'the bbc' which was capable of destroying doctor who itself! the sixth doctor stopped this but was subjected to grades latest weapon 'the sack' which caused him to regenerate intothe seventh doctor who would have several confrontations with grade from 1987 till 1989
Colin didn't get bored with the role. He said to the producers that if they gave him a whole 3rd season then he would happily go at the end of it. Colin was still under contract with the BBC at the time so he would have been unemployable for a whole year. Sadly the wankers in charge wrote up this farce of a story and Colin flatly refused to take part and rightly so
@sebbrown1 You've got it backwards. JNT wanted to leave, but no one else wanted the job, and the BBC would have cancelled the show. So he was pretty much stuck, even though he was definately tired of it.
thedoctor regenarating on floor of the TARDIS as result of Bonnie Langford's bad acting the only thing I liked about Bonnie was that she was cute if she came the drama school where I go to her performance wud stick out bad bannana
Tom Baker, David Tennant, John Pertwee - 3 best Doctors, although William Hartnell was a great Doctor, just not one of the greats if you get me. David Tennant was an immense Doctor but at the same time ( and with the TARDIS it possibly could be "the same time") so was Tom Baker, everyone has "their" Doctor, so why does everyone get so argumentative about it, the show in itself is amazing, has been since it started, with possibly 2 years where it went downhill, but I say everyone just enjoy it!
i do hav 2 agree there with kamelion7 i don't why but i always seem 2 luv the feel of 1980 - 1986 the first 6 years of the jon nathan turner era and actually u know wat im only 10 and i hav over half the old and i know a lot. CLASSIC DOCTOR WHO IS THE BEST!!!
You are a total thick cunt. David Tennant o nly wins now because He is the current Doctor and the pricks voting fancy him. Tom Baker ALWAYS wins but what the fuck do you know about it - You talk as though your only 11. Mong
your a moron mate... i would say enough said but ill only get a backlash of vile insults back so ill elaborate.
david tennant is the best doctor. his personality fits the role of 'what he is' more perfectly than any of the other people who have played him... he's all ends of the spectrum at once. no denying it.
"His personality perfectly fits the role of what he is" ???? What drugs are you on you spastic. Now i KNOW you've never seen all the actors that have played the Doctor. All you've seen is Eccleston and Tennant. I won't argue with a simpleton who is so ill informed as to not know what their on about. Who are you to decide what the character is all about? Prick
negative feedback already... i dont think i really need to say anything more to be honest.
people like you are intolerable. yes several of the previous doctors were very good at playing the part but tennant plays a lonely last of his kind broken doctor extremely well. therefor, for the setting he is in he plays his part perfectly.
I think it's mainly the writers to thank. Tennant and Baker both have great writers. Even if a terrible film has a great actor in it, it'll still be called terrible. People mainly like the stories, then the Doctors.
That's why I'm not worried about the Matt Smith days.
Shame Colin Baker got sacked because they couldent blame anyone else and that his wife was shagging michael grade behind is back and michael grade knew a way to get rid of him this is fact its in the DWM in their own words Volume 4 1982-1986
They should've just gotten a fat crew member with curly blonde hair and stuck him in the suit, but not shown his face; as it is, it's glaringly obvious as they turn him over that it's Sylvester McCoy in a poor blonde wig.
Colin Baker was a fine doctor instead of blaming him for the declined in ratings they should blamed the out dated effects and give the show more money and better wrighters!!! 1960's effects in 1986 was not a good thing!!!The stories where ok but they could been better written!!!Colin Baker was a way better Doctor then Sylvester McCoy who never improved the ratings that why the show was cancelled!!!
I agree Sylvester english was awful!!!Never could understand what he was saying half the time!!! Ace calling him the professor all the time instead of the doctor drove me crazy too!!!
I'm the first to admit that his first stories with Mel were not exactly classics, but by his 3rd season, when he was playing the Doctor as HE wanted to play it...he's one of my favourites. As was Ace, by the way.
It was never ever Baker's fault that the show turned for the worse.
He really did a good job with what he got, which wasn't very good.
Many of his own suggestions was even trashed, like he wanted to wear black clothing to illustrate that this was the doctors dark side, and had as much objections about the color bath he was put in as the fans.
He was an amazing actor that even made the no sense episodes enjoyable to watch, Shame on the studios,Colin Baker deserved all the good in the world.
I think the Technicolor Outfit was a rather nice idea - Meme factor is everything when your show is just 1 among X-Billions out there. But yah, at this time, someone on BBC hated Science Fiction and did his best to kill the show. Plus the writers had been better at times... Colin was still awesome, the relationship between Peri and Six made the most boring plot bearable (I think they were one of the greatest Doctor/Companion teams ever, second only to Amy and Eleven)
@MoonPhantom You're so right; Terence Dicks for one said that he thought that Colin Baker would have potentially been very good but never got much of a chance. It's sad that so many people so firmly pin the fact that the series went downhill onto him.
@WarshipAngelus what a stupid comment. Everyone knows that it was during his tenure that the series started (not 'start') to go downhill, but what I was saying was that he wasn't necessarily to blame. Poor acting by other cast-members; poor scripts; weak stories rushed to production; poorly-received Sixth Doctor's costume (which Baker hated himself), etc. etc.
It's not a stupid comment, it's the true, plan and simple without going into alot of details. Colin Baker acting had nothing to do with the show going downhill, it was mostly weak stories and the Main producer who wanted a Anti-Doctor that was nothing like anyone that came before. Fans at that time didn't like the character of that one Doctor, the Actor did a great job given what scripts he had, You should listen to the audio tapes, there some great stories on there.
@WarshipAngelus Look, mate, did you not even read what I said? I was agreeing with you that Colin Baker wasn't to blame for the decline in ratings. Just because I said that it was during his run as the Doctor that the ratings plummeted doesn't mean I think he was responsible! Sheesh...
@MoonPhantom Listen to the BFA, it does him justice in those. Colin really did have a good grip on who the Doctor was, he was going to portray the Doctor as extremly unstable due to his complicated regneration (thus strangling Peri). Sadly he never got a chance to do that.
Bet Colin Baker was glad he didn't finish on this story,the funniest bit is the Rani(KateO'Mara)impersonating Mel(Bonnie Langford)watch the way The Rani walkes as Mel!
This regeneration was actually one of the best-- waaay better than Logopolis anyway. Its probably the single best bit from the whole 1986-89 series (apart from the beginning of Trial of a Time Lord).
The effect used was better. But within a story perspective it's by far the worst.....I mean from how it seems the doctor didn't regenerate because of some heroic sacrifice...............he either fell off his bicycle or bashed his head on the console.
I agree there but I guess you could explain it by saying that his face had pretty much regenerated when the Tetrap pulled him over with just his hair left to change.
I mean the way they did it was much more dynamic- I mean we never actually SAW Tom Baker fall of the tower did we? And the ending of Logopolis was poorly acted by all the companions and weakly directed - Baker deserved a better send off.
i suppose so, i hated adric for being such a whiny little pussy, tegan didnt seem very concerned that her aunt had just died. but the watcher twist was really good, plus it was death via the master and you cant beat that
Colin Baker was underrated. He was my favorite doctor. Abrasive and confident. Not given a fair chance. The new head of the BBC at the time even admitted he hated Dr Who and wanted to find reason to cancel it.
Colin was fantastic! And also my favourite doctor too. He brought dr who into the 80's coz for for too long it had become dreary and not goin anywhere and although I like peter davison as an actor I do feel under him the role was rather stagnant and Colin brought energy and passion! And his dismissal was imo absolutely cruel and unfounded! Colin was a breath of fresh air! :-)
Agreed Colin put depth back in the character. I like the 5th doc but it was just like "he is so nice now" and his development didn't seem to be going past that. Colin's dock was near insane coming to grips with his new personality (he choked peri once if i recall that right and exiled himself after he realized what he'd done) and when he came to grips with the fact that he was now egotistical, self absorbed and arrogant he didn't apologize for it, Still he was good underneath all those traits.
It doesn't. The episode explains that the Rani shot the TARDIS out of Time and Space using that big old gun thing she's holding. The trauma causes the Doctor to regenerate (but, weirdly does nothing at all to Mel)...
the declining ratings were due to budget cuts and shitty storylines. dr who effects and production standards were never as flash as american shows but by the time they got to colin bakers era, dr who looked like a really cheap poorly made show by any standards, without the good storylines to back it up.
This is Colin's own explanation, but it seems by far the most logical: He was an actor, and he had genuine work offered him at the time he would have to be available to shoot this. He had to make a living, as we all do, and coming back to film one scene would have buggered his chance at a steadier acting job.
Basicly, if you count the New Adventures as canon, the explanation is The Seventh Doctor's personality manipulated the Sixth Doctor into commiting suicide so he could surface and begin his duties as "Time's Champion".
You don't buy it because it makes perfect sense and underpins a crappy book like Spiral Scratch.
And the very nature of the book that explanation comes from (Time's Champion) means it can fit without fitting. True to Who's mysterious and ambigious roots.
Maybe he took the blunt of whatever knocked her out, like an energy discharge from the TARDIS. That's my theory. but he wasn't in the scene cause he was fired by the BBC and was so pissed he refused to film the regeneration scene, so they had to be creative.
Yeah he was happy to do the 4 episodes of Time And The Rani then regenerate at the end of the story but they said no. I think i'd have said assholes to them then as well lol
Close - the BBC offered him this story and then go but he said that he would like to do the complete season and then go but the BBC never got back to him - also it would be a case of if Colin did this small scene then means that he had to be "booked" for it and means that he couldn't take work such as a running play so he decided to go.
It was a period of spotty writing on the show, that Baker had the misfortune of landing in. When given great material he rises to greatness, but when stuck with mediocre scripts he tending to perform at that level as well.
In Colin Bakers words. They offered him a small cameo for the Regeneration scene, however he asked to do a full story, and then Re-generate. If i remember correctly John Nathan-Turner was ok with it. But the BBC said no. Personally i thought his portrayal was fine, not unlike William Hartnell's anti-hero persona.
They go into more detail about the regeneration in the novel "Spiral Scratch"; the Sixth Doctor's forced to sacrifice most of his chronal energy to stop a pan-dimensional being devouring alternate realities, and the subsequent drain on his body causes him to regenerate (Although the Rani capturing the TARDIS and knocking him about like this probably didn't help matters)
His portrayal of the Doctor was quite unlikeable - by which I mean he was quite an unfriendly and bad tempered Doctor, rather than it actually being a fault of Colin Baker himself. All in all though, I don't think the stupid costume did anything to help him be taken seriously. I think in the end he took the blame for all sorts of behind-the-scenes feuds.
Its a shame we couldnt see Colin Bakers face change into Sylvester McCoys one. Instead we get McCoy wearing a very non convincing bright yellow wig (which looks like something the BBC just brought from a clown shop)
....It would have been better to just start off with the 7th Doctor with the suggestion that time has passed, Like with the 9th Doctor in the episode Rose.
What I dont understand about this clip is WHY the Dctor regenerated! Apparently, the reason is that he fell off an excercise bike, and bumped his head! Rubbish! If the Doctor can't survive a simple bump on the noggin', why is it that he can survive a simulation of a Desert, a statue falling on him, AND his brain being fried!
Hmmm, you have a point there. I like to think that there is a missing adventure in there, in which the doctor sacrificed himself to save earth/gallifrey etc, I mean, the usual, and then just managed to get back to the TARDIS alive, only to be attacked by the Rani, which, I donno, pushed him over the edge? Either that or he was just so stressed out over the trial and Peri leaving and what not, that he fell and...bumped his head on the VERY SHARP console? Lol.
I think Davison,Baker,and Mccoy had the run of it so to speak. They all was great actors that had so much potential. Orignally, I was an 7th doctor fan. But, C baker did it of me. I would like to think Cbaker was ahead of his time. He was the "House" of that era.
I wished that they would have struck with the eric saward script dealing with the Time vent for the ending. The sixth doctor trapped in the matrix with the Valygard. or they could have ended it at the explosion part in TTOATL.
Greay comparison, he was the "House" of Doctor Who. I really preferred Colin to the other Doctors because of that, he mostly just seems so much more mature.
i think it would have been better if colin b had regenerated at the end of trial of a time lord. it would have made a good cliffhanger eneding and i think time and the rani would have been better for it.
I agree with a lot of the comments here, but I remember Baker did tend to play the Doctor as a bit of a smug and arrogant git. However, his companion, 'Peri' was the hottest assistant ever, so it all evened out. Especially when one considers that nowadays we have to make do with Billie Piper and CATHERINE TATE? (Freeman, however, is da win!!)
I don't blame Colin Baker for not coming back to do one piddling little regeneration scene. By all accounts, it appears he was treated like sh*t by the BBC, for problems not down to him at all. I'd have told them to get ****ed too.
I think this scene was satisfactory anyway. At least they actually showed the regeneration, which is more than you can say for the 8th -> 9th Doctor.
Colin Baker simply was not given a chance, in my opinion. He was brought on at a time where the storylines were shoddy and JNT should have ended his run as producer. If you listen to the new audio series, CB is fantastic and is given the chance to really flesh out the Sixth Doctor.
same here, always make me laugh....love kate o mara.
ive heard in interviews colin said he would came back for whole season then change but they said no just one story, so he didnt commit dont blame him. and i dont think it was ever personal on colin it was just fact micheal grade hated dr who, and made colin a scapecoat
Colin Baker didn't come to film his regeneration because of the way he was treated by the BBC at the time. In later years, he's stated time and again that always regretted not doing a PROPER regeneration for the character and the fans, but at the time, he was just not able to deal with the Beeb. Pitty, as Slyvester McCoy in a blond wig looks just horrid!
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Well, Colin Baker was/is the least popular Doctor of all time according to all the polls. He was just such a prig. I'm not at all shocked if the BBC treated him poorly... "Trial of a Timelord" was absolute crap.
Wow, maybe back in 87 that looked ok but it really sucks balls now, doesn't it? I remember being annoyed I missed this when it screened on TV originally. Really didn't miss out on much at all.
The most PHETIC regeneration scene ever, Colin Baker never had an especially written Regeneration story (apart from that Time and the Rani tripe) and that is an apaulling end to one of my top 4 doctors, and one of the doctor's with the most protential, then again it has to be said bollock head Micheal Grade played he's fair share in this, what if he was never at the BBC...
The take on the Doctor for the Colin Baker/Slyvester McCoy years was different, showing the characters darker side. Brilliantly done, and miles better then Christopher Eccleston and David Tennant in the "New Who".
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Slyvey yes colin no. Colin was a fat childish bastard who killed ppl rather than saved them. While 7th had a lot of redeeming qualities and though he was fat and old he was kind of lyk a nice grandad
I always think the 7th Doctor is similar to the 9th. He seems to know whats happening like the 7th, and he is much darker especially after the Time War. Your right though, it was done very well in the later series.
mccoy a poor actor? this man has played so many fine roles on stages all across britian and he was voted the best doctor in the late eighties over tom baker. he is an excellent actor john nathan turner is to blame for the shows shortcomings back then.
I think had the show stayed on longer, McCoy would have been even more brilliant. The "Cartmel masterplan" sounded brilliant. Shame. But, would it be on now?
If you love this programme you shouldn't really pick and choose doctors. The fact is his personalities had to be different to show change. But he is the doctor all the same!
There may have been some dodgy storylines through the years, but hats all to all his incarnations!!
ive heard a rumor sylvester mccoy said he would do a doctor special with david tennant and that bbc wales have asked tom baker to play the role- would he have to wear a wig?
Yes, i'm sure Sylvester McCoy was completely responsible for why the Movie was a flop. It didn't have anything at all to do with the fact that it was shown at the same time as the series finale of Roxanne, that it had gotten only a little advertising, that the story was pretty shit and made a RTD script seem sophisticated by comparison. No, let's continue to blame McCoy for everything, shall we?
This was actually just Sylvester in a blonde wig and colorful clothing
rtuckerivey 1 month ago
colin baker was a brilliant doctor just shit writers and locations etc it wasnt him on the regeneratiojn though it was mccoy before and after how? mccoy was waering a wig during the 'regeneration' to impersonate baker :)
cvrmaniac 3 months ago
I liked Colin's doctor simply because he was willing to tell idiots that they were so. David Tennant's Doctor, as much as I love him, was way too 'humans are stupid, but I love em!' For such an astoundingly intelligent person, he has a very unlikely high level of tolerance for stupidity.
MeBeMat 9 months ago
this was the worst i mean sly just wore a wig they could have at least made it less obvious utterly terrible
GlasgowGamer101 11 months ago
I've seen all the Ecleston and Tennant episodes, and am in the midst of the Hartnell episodes. I watched a little of Colin Baker with my girlfriend, and from what I saw, I really liked the Sixth Doctor. He really seemed to have an attitude about himself.
Man, it's taking a long time to watch through the old seasons, though, but I"m enjoying them. It doesn't matter what's going on, they always get seperated in every episode. It just doesn't matter what the plot of that episode is.
psxwarrior 1 year ago
Sylvester McCoy should have been the sixth Doctor. Colin Baker should have never been cast. Epic casting mistake!!! Sylvester would have been great right after Peter Davison. How Colin Baker became the Doctor, I will never know! Colin Baker needs to retconned out of Dr. Who forever!!!!
MrMarinegold 1 year ago
@MrMarinegold retard alert. knows nothing about the truth
OmegaShenron6574 1 year ago
@OmegaShenron6574 I stand by my statements. Colin Baker was an epic casting mistake that helped bring down Dr. Who.
MrMarinegold 1 year ago
@MrMarinegold Oh I see, I thought you were kidding before, but it turns out in fact that you're a fucking idiot. Well done!
BorderReiver49 1 year ago
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MrMarinegold 1 year ago
I believe that if Colin's idea's were used things would've gone a whole lot better. He did a marvelous job with tremdous handicaps. This regenration is the second worse. he seems to have simply fallen over for heaven's sake! (Slyvester's end was the worse. he walks into a hail of bullets!)
ruberto53 1 year ago
i am defently getting this story when it come out later this year
BossRoss999 1 year ago
If the Tardis out-of-control and crashing triggered the doctor to regenerate, wouldn't it have killed a human? So how come he regenerates and she's alive? The point about regeneration is that it's to get through what a mortal wouldn't survive isn't it? (sorry - I'm only really looking for excuses to EXTERMINATE Miss Langford for bad acting. But it's not her fault - she probably read the scripts in those days and thought she was in Scooby Doo or something.) God that era was awful.
BNCA70 1 year ago
@BNCA70 theirs a whole range of books and audios the bench this gap between trial and rani up apparently he was wounded in a fight and the rani following him through his adevntures found him at his weekest and attacked him his head was wounded so it regenerated prematurley so thats why its sylvester no collins face
cybertaylor 1 year ago
@cybertaylor apparently colin baker did not do the regeneration part slyvester mccoy had a wig on
BossRoss999 1 year ago
i dont get this regeneration... it doesnt make sense!
theblehguy1 1 year ago
@theblehguy1
He was canned and didn't get a regeneration story.
MikeTaylorLives 1 year ago
@theblehguy1 the sixth doctor got into a battle with his greatest enemy: MICHEAL GRADE (and his idiotic servant 'JNT') who had a device known as 'the bbc' which was capable of destroying doctor who itself! the sixth doctor stopped this but was subjected to grades latest weapon 'the sack' which caused him to regenerate intothe seventh doctor who would have several confrontations with grade from 1987 till 1989
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theskarorevenger 1 year ago
maybe it was due to the fact that both bbc wanted to kill the show and colin baker got bored with the role
pres921 2 years ago
@pres921
Colin didn't get bored with the role. He said to the producers that if they gave him a whole 3rd season then he would happily go at the end of it. Colin was still under contract with the BBC at the time so he would have been unemployable for a whole year. Sadly the wankers in charge wrote up this farce of a story and Colin flatly refused to take part and rightly so
SupremeDalek1000 1 year ago
@SupremeDalek1000 The BBC should have gotten rid JN-T at the end of season 23 and not Colin Baker
sebbrown1 1 year ago
@sebbrown1 You've got it backwards. JNT wanted to leave, but no one else wanted the job, and the BBC would have cancelled the show. So he was pretty much stuck, even though he was definately tired of it.
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theLegendofZelda2009 2 years ago
thedoctor regenarating on floor of the TARDIS as result of Bonnie Langford's bad acting the only thing I liked about Bonnie was that she was cute if she came the drama school where I go to her performance wud stick out bad bannana
gallafey 2 years ago
Tom Baker, David Tennant, John Pertwee - 3 best Doctors, although William Hartnell was a great Doctor, just not one of the greats if you get me. David Tennant was an immense Doctor but at the same time ( and with the TARDIS it possibly could be "the same time") so was Tom Baker, everyone has "their" Doctor, so why does everyone get so argumentative about it, the show in itself is amazing, has been since it started, with possibly 2 years where it went downhill, but I say everyone just enjoy it!
TheEpicTracks 2 years ago 8
Well said!
TheKnightWolf 2 years ago
i do hav 2 agree there with kamelion7 i don't why but i always seem 2 luv the feel of 1980 - 1986 the first 6 years of the jon nathan turner era and actually u know wat im only 10 and i hav over half the old and i know a lot. CLASSIC DOCTOR WHO IS THE BEST!!!
CoolCartoonsGuy 2 years ago
@Kamelion7,...Superb comment, & true. I was watching this programme when these fuckers were havin their ass' wiped.
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Then you must be brain dead.
Peter Davison leaves that Scottish cunt for dust. Eighties Who is the best
kamelion7 2 years ago
wow you talk shit....wonder why tennant is voted best doctor who ever..
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You are a total thick cunt. David Tennant o nly wins now because He is the current Doctor and the pricks voting fancy him. Tom Baker ALWAYS wins but what the fuck do you know about it - You talk as though your only 11. Mong
kamelion7 2 years ago
your a moron mate... i would say enough said but ill only get a backlash of vile insults back so ill elaborate.
david tennant is the best doctor. his personality fits the role of 'what he is' more perfectly than any of the other people who have played him... he's all ends of the spectrum at once. no denying it.
clouwd666 2 years ago
"His personality perfectly fits the role of what he is" ???? What drugs are you on you spastic. Now i KNOW you've never seen all the actors that have played the Doctor. All you've seen is Eccleston and Tennant. I won't argue with a simpleton who is so ill informed as to not know what their on about. Who are you to decide what the character is all about? Prick
kamelion7 2 years ago
negative feedback already... i dont think i really need to say anything more to be honest.
people like you are intolerable. yes several of the previous doctors were very good at playing the part but tennant plays a lonely last of his kind broken doctor extremely well. therefor, for the setting he is in he plays his part perfectly.
you asshole. end.
clouwd666 2 years ago
Oh for fucks sake, you three are arguing about who the best Doctor is? Let it go people, they were all great in their own way...
MrPsychic8472 2 years ago 46
@MrPsychic8472 finaly, a sensible viewer!
unoficial13thdoctor 1 year ago
@MrPsychic8472 You SAY these things
cornishphilosopher 2 months ago
OOOH, LOOK, LOOK ! I DENY IT!
And I didn't even have to resort to the classless act of calling anyone a moron just for not agreeing.
Crass fans do such a disservice to the series.
kracker212 2 years ago 2
I think it's mainly the writers to thank. Tennant and Baker both have great writers. Even if a terrible film has a great actor in it, it'll still be called terrible. People mainly like the stories, then the Doctors.
That's why I'm not worried about the Matt Smith days.
ferretchucker 2 years ago
@ferretchucker agreed there is no great Doctor. Only great stories.
0willbecome100 2 years ago
Shame Colin Baker got sacked because they couldent blame anyone else and that his wife was shagging michael grade behind is back and michael grade knew a way to get rid of him this is fact its in the DWM in their own words Volume 4 1982-1986
Squire1017A 2 years ago
They should've just gotten a fat crew member with curly blonde hair and stuck him in the suit, but not shown his face; as it is, it's glaringly obvious as they turn him over that it's Sylvester McCoy in a poor blonde wig.
blofeld39 2 years ago
Colin Baker was a fine doctor instead of blaming him for the declined in ratings they should blamed the out dated effects and give the show more money and better wrighters!!! 1960's effects in 1986 was not a good thing!!!The stories where ok but they could been better written!!!Colin Baker was a way better Doctor then Sylvester McCoy who never improved the ratings that why the show was cancelled!!!
gx42j 2 years ago
Sylvester was the worst Doctor of all time.
kengster 2 years ago
I agree Sylvester english was awful!!!Never could understand what he was saying half the time!!! Ace calling him the professor all the time instead of the doctor drove me crazy too!!!
gx42j 2 years ago
I'm the first to admit that his first stories with Mel were not exactly classics, but by his 3rd season, when he was playing the Doctor as HE wanted to play it...he's one of my favourites. As was Ace, by the way.
Whosader 2 years ago
@kengster no hes not hes the second best after colin
daleksvscybermen 1 year ago
instead of the BBC blaming Colin Baker for the declined ratings
BBC should've accepted it was their fault for choosing the wrong actor
Mr123JasonLee 2 years ago
It was never ever Baker's fault that the show turned for the worse.
He really did a good job with what he got, which wasn't very good.
Many of his own suggestions was even trashed, like he wanted to wear black clothing to illustrate that this was the doctors dark side, and had as much objections about the color bath he was put in as the fans.
He was an amazing actor that even made the no sense episodes enjoyable to watch, Shame on the studios,Colin Baker deserved all the good in the world.
MoonPhantom 2 years ago 45
I fully agree with you! Colin was awesome.
Alexoneil 2 years ago 2
I think the Technicolor Outfit was a rather nice idea - Meme factor is everything when your show is just 1 among X-Billions out there. But yah, at this time, someone on BBC hated Science Fiction and did his best to kill the show. Plus the writers had been better at times... Colin was still awesome, the relationship between Peri and Six made the most boring plot bearable (I think they were one of the greatest Doctor/Companion teams ever, second only to Amy and Eleven)
KendrixTermina 1 year ago
@MoonPhantom You're so right; Terence Dicks for one said that he thought that Colin Baker would have potentially been very good but never got much of a chance. It's sad that so many people so firmly pin the fact that the series went downhill onto him.
pufferfishish 1 year ago
@pufferfishish
It was during his time as the Doctor that the series start to go downhill..
WarshipAngelus 1 year ago
@WarshipAngelus what a stupid comment. Everyone knows that it was during his tenure that the series started (not 'start') to go downhill, but what I was saying was that he wasn't necessarily to blame. Poor acting by other cast-members; poor scripts; weak stories rushed to production; poorly-received Sixth Doctor's costume (which Baker hated himself), etc. etc.
pufferfishish 1 year ago
@pufferfishish
It's not a stupid comment, it's the true, plan and simple without going into alot of details. Colin Baker acting had nothing to do with the show going downhill, it was mostly weak stories and the Main producer who wanted a Anti-Doctor that was nothing like anyone that came before. Fans at that time didn't like the character of that one Doctor, the Actor did a great job given what scripts he had, You should listen to the audio tapes, there some great stories on there.
WarshipAngelus 1 year ago
@WarshipAngelus Look, mate, did you not even read what I said? I was agreeing with you that Colin Baker wasn't to blame for the decline in ratings. Just because I said that it was during his run as the Doctor that the ratings plummeted doesn't mean I think he was responsible! Sheesh...
pufferfishish 1 year ago
@MoonPhantom Listen to the BFA, it does him justice in those. Colin really did have a good grip on who the Doctor was, he was going to portray the Doctor as extremly unstable due to his complicated regneration (thus strangling Peri). Sadly he never got a chance to do that.
Ebakthecat 1 year ago
Bet Colin Baker was glad he didn't finish on this story,the funniest bit is the Rani(KateO'Mara)impersonating Mel(Bonnie Langford)watch the way The Rani walkes as Mel!
dramaticguy 2 years ago
This regeneration was actually one of the best-- waaay better than Logopolis anyway. Its probably the single best bit from the whole 1986-89 series (apart from the beginning of Trial of a Time Lord).
lelvish1 2 years ago
The effect used was better. But within a story perspective it's by far the worst.....I mean from how it seems the doctor didn't regenerate because of some heroic sacrifice...............he either fell off his bicycle or bashed his head on the console.
pscott90 2 years ago
It was the Carrot Juice.
Alexoneil 2 years ago
I disagree. I think Sylvester's face wasn't blurred out enough, and it's obvious. But I agree, it's a terrible story!
WhoBoy93 2 years ago
I agree there but I guess you could explain it by saying that his face had pretty much regenerated when the Tetrap pulled him over with just his hair left to change.
MarkR06 2 years ago
what? falling off his exercise bike is better than falling off the tharos tower?
dalektaliban 2 years ago 2
I mean the way they did it was much more dynamic- I mean we never actually SAW Tom Baker fall of the tower did we? And the ending of Logopolis was poorly acted by all the companions and weakly directed - Baker deserved a better send off.
lelvish1 2 years ago 5
i suppose so, i hated adric for being such a whiny little pussy, tegan didnt seem very concerned that her aunt had just died. but the watcher twist was really good, plus it was death via the master and you cant beat that
dalektaliban 2 years ago 2
Colin Baker was underrated. He was my favorite doctor. Abrasive and confident. Not given a fair chance. The new head of the BBC at the time even admitted he hated Dr Who and wanted to find reason to cancel it.
charmedgamer01 2 years ago 5
I absolutely totally agree!!!!
Colin was fantastic! And also my favourite doctor too. He brought dr who into the 80's coz for for too long it had become dreary and not goin anywhere and although I like peter davison as an actor I do feel under him the role was rather stagnant and Colin brought energy and passion! And his dismissal was imo absolutely cruel and unfounded! Colin was a breath of fresh air! :-)
damo007revenge 2 years ago 3
Agreed Colin put depth back in the character. I like the 5th doc but it was just like "he is so nice now" and his development didn't seem to be going past that. Colin's dock was near insane coming to grips with his new personality (he choked peri once if i recall that right and exiled himself after he realized what he'd done) and when he came to grips with the fact that he was now egotistical, self absorbed and arrogant he didn't apologize for it, Still he was good underneath all those traits.
charmedgamer01 2 years ago 2
well, it happened... 3 years later - but that is stupid that he, as the director should cancel it becuase of his own opinion.
bjmorley 2 years ago
Poor colin Baker... But Mccoy was great!
Sa3Jo2 2 years ago
Since did the TARDIS land with a rainbow?!
CGren123 2 years ago
It doesn't. The episode explains that the Rani shot the TARDIS out of Time and Space using that big old gun thing she's holding. The trauma causes the Doctor to regenerate (but, weirdly does nothing at all to Mel)...
Jeflar70 2 years ago
the declining ratings were due to budget cuts and shitty storylines. dr who effects and production standards were never as flash as american shows but by the time they got to colin bakers era, dr who looked like a really cheap poorly made show by any standards, without the good storylines to back it up.
tuaman21 2 years ago
Having Bonnie Langford as an assistant really was the kiss of death for Dr Who!!
JAYROX1969 2 years ago 3
This is Colin's own explanation, but it seems by far the most logical: He was an actor, and he had genuine work offered him at the time he would have to be available to shoot this. He had to make a living, as we all do, and coming back to film one scene would have buggered his chance at a steadier acting job.
StormsongK 2 years ago
my god... how times have changed!! lmao
Sharkdread 2 years ago
This is when Dr Who took a nosedive in my affections although McCoy last season was very good.
dramaticguy 2 years ago
The budget was cut so the ratings declined, they shouldn't have blamed it on Colin...
ANormalGuy 2 years ago 2
Basicly, if you count the New Adventures as canon, the explanation is The Seventh Doctor's personality manipulated the Sixth Doctor into commiting suicide so he could surface and begin his duties as "Time's Champion".
HeyArnoldsspleen 2 years ago
i prefer the book Spiral Scratch for the doctor regeration.
deadman00 2 years ago 2
Spiral Scratch is an alternate version of the regeneration that The Doctor creates to fool Death when he becomes Time's Champion.
heyarnoldsknee 2 years ago
i dont buy that explianation
again i prefer spiral scratch over the Vergin book explination.
deadman00 2 years ago
You don't buy it because it makes perfect sense and underpins a crappy book like Spiral Scratch.
And the very nature of the book that explanation comes from (Time's Champion) means it can fit without fitting. True to Who's mysterious and ambigious roots.
heyarnoldsknee 2 years ago
please dont get upset just because i have a differant opinon then you.
i have every right to decid which version i like.
thats my opnion.
if you dont like that, chances are your not gonna change my mind.
deadman00 2 years ago
Why was there a wookie in Doctor Who? :P
ChristianBrinsxox 2 years ago 4
why did the doctor regenerate, when Mel was merely knocked out?
also when i watched the colin baker years, he claims he was busy at the time of filming for Time and the Rani. So it is not really his fault.
Arrundagreat 2 years ago
i meant the absence at the regeneration scene LMAO
Arrundagreat 2 years ago
Maybe he took the blunt of whatever knocked her out, like an energy discharge from the TARDIS. That's my theory. but he wasn't in the scene cause he was fired by the BBC and was so pissed he refused to film the regeneration scene, so they had to be creative.
pmalone4 2 years ago
Maybe they literally fired the 6th doctor, with those space lasers. :'( I loved Colin Baker, he didnt have a proper chance.
Alexoneil 2 years ago 3
Yeah he was happy to do the 4 episodes of Time And The Rani then regenerate at the end of the story but they said no. I think i'd have said assholes to them then as well lol
Trayusstudent1 2 years ago
Close - the BBC offered him this story and then go but he said that he would like to do the complete season and then go but the BBC never got back to him - also it would be a case of if Colin did this small scene then means that he had to be "booked" for it and means that he couldn't take work such as a running play so he decided to go.
Borusa1976 2 years ago
They should Have Colin Baker come back and reshoot this scene in a special Edition of Time and the Rani, They can redo everything else!
Joewho72 2 years ago 2
You can sort of see McCoy's features at 0:49, well if you pause it or you have really good eyes (like me)
mightypower34 2 years ago
uh lol it's really NOT that hard to see, Honestly you would have to be blind not to see it.
zufgh 2 years ago
What is the reason for the 6th Doctors regeneration?
kidderguy 2 years ago
Micheal Grade!
Joewho72 2 years ago
It's not really clear I guess he just banged his head really really bad.
DoctorWhoisit 2 years ago
maby he took an aspirine for his head
daftvampire16 2 years ago
Actually the reason is that barstard michael grade.
daleksvscybermen 2 years ago 2
He was bored in the colin baker form, of course!
mightypower34 2 years ago
we dont realy know, it was either a bang to the head on the head as the tardis crash landed, or he had too much carrot juice :)
daleksfearthewhovian 2 years ago
the tardis gets shot down and the tubulance kills him apparntly he hit his head on the console
dwho1994 2 years ago
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he was a shit doctor the 6th one was
davidknight01 2 years ago
It was a period of spotty writing on the show, that Baker had the misfortune of landing in. When given great material he rises to greatness, but when stuck with mediocre scripts he tending to perform at that level as well.
unremoved 2 years ago 2
In Colin Bakers words. They offered him a small cameo for the Regeneration scene, however he asked to do a full story, and then Re-generate. If i remember correctly John Nathan-Turner was ok with it. But the BBC said no. Personally i thought his portrayal was fine, not unlike William Hartnell's anti-hero persona.
KaFaraqGatri 2 years ago
They go into more detail about the regeneration in the novel "Spiral Scratch"; the Sixth Doctor's forced to sacrifice most of his chronal energy to stop a pan-dimensional being devouring alternate realities, and the subsequent drain on his body causes him to regenerate (Although the Rani capturing the TARDIS and knocking him about like this probably didn't help matters)
MarcusSLazarus 3 years ago
This was a really bad way for the Sixth Doctor to go. Luckily, the books have provided other explanations for his regenaration
rockandrollgirls 3 years ago
I can't believe colin baker was fired! He was awesome!
choochooguy63601 3 years ago 5
My alltime favorite! It's so sad he never gave his fans a proper goodbye :(
anton1990 3 years ago 4
how did he get fired?
Rocketnuma2 3 years ago
apparently the show was getting bad ratings
choochooguy63601 3 years ago
His portrayal of the Doctor was quite unlikeable - by which I mean he was quite an unfriendly and bad tempered Doctor, rather than it actually being a fault of Colin Baker himself. All in all though, I don't think the stupid costume did anything to help him be taken seriously. I think in the end he took the blame for all sorts of behind-the-scenes feuds.
feckingbillgates 2 years ago
I love the way the Tardis moves! XD
jazzy1muffin 3 years ago
Its a shame we couldnt see Colin Bakers face change into Sylvester McCoys one. Instead we get McCoy wearing a very non convincing bright yellow wig (which looks like something the BBC just brought from a clown shop)
....It would have been better to just start off with the 7th Doctor with the suggestion that time has passed, Like with the 9th Doctor in the episode Rose.
mintyspace 3 years ago 2
back then the effects cost a fortune for the bbc
torchwood10 3 years ago
Were the FX really that cheesy? Boy does your mind play tricks on you.
dbwokc 3 years ago 2
is that it i could of done a better regatoin its not the afeccts just how he dies
jamesdean220103 3 years ago
A little off topic but when does the new Christmas special air in America?
MadManWeed 3 years ago
It's avialable on you tube now!
dbwokc 3 years ago
"Leave the girl... it's the man I want!"
fishheadedfish 3 years ago 3
Dr Who was just plain comical after Peter Davison left.
bluesbrother37 3 years ago
What I dont understand about this clip is WHY the Dctor regenerated! Apparently, the reason is that he fell off an excercise bike, and bumped his head! Rubbish! If the Doctor can't survive a simple bump on the noggin', why is it that he can survive a simulation of a Desert, a statue falling on him, AND his brain being fried!
fluffysbro 3 years ago
some people can fell off and hit his head really hard and died, or he could of been shot and tried to keep alive so they can land safely.
charliesbizkid 3 years ago
LOL, maybe the Rani's lasers are really, REALLY strong :)
fivebearrugs 3 years ago
Hmmm, you have a point there. I like to think that there is a missing adventure in there, in which the doctor sacrificed himself to save earth/gallifrey etc, I mean, the usual, and then just managed to get back to the TARDIS alive, only to be attacked by the Rani, which, I donno, pushed him over the edge? Either that or he was just so stressed out over the trial and Peri leaving and what not, that he fell and...bumped his head on the VERY SHARP console? Lol.
Berrypoint 3 years ago
Two novels have elaborated on this idea: "Spiral Scratch" by Gary Russell and "Time's Champion" by Craig Hinton and Chris McKeon.
BlackMoonLilith 3 years ago
I think Davison,Baker,and Mccoy had the run of it so to speak. They all was great actors that had so much potential. Orignally, I was an 7th doctor fan. But, C baker did it of me. I would like to think Cbaker was ahead of his time. He was the "House" of that era.
I wished that they would have struck with the eric saward script dealing with the Time vent for the ending. The sixth doctor trapped in the matrix with the Valygard. or they could have ended it at the explosion part in TTOATL.
Envisogon82 3 years ago
Greay comparison, he was the "House" of Doctor Who. I really preferred Colin to the other Doctors because of that, he mostly just seems so much more mature.
Berrypoint 3 years ago
But he was eeeeeeeeevil[ish]
AlexanderT21 3 years ago
i think it would have been better if colin b had regenerated at the end of trial of a time lord. it would have made a good cliffhanger eneding and i think time and the rani would have been better for it.
PeterIncorperated 3 years ago 2
I agree dude.
charliesbizkid 3 years ago
I meant Freema - obviously :P
comcphee 3 years ago
I agree with a lot of the comments here, but I remember Baker did tend to play the Doctor as a bit of a smug and arrogant git. However, his companion, 'Peri' was the hottest assistant ever, so it all evened out. Especially when one considers that nowadays we have to make do with Billie Piper and CATHERINE TATE? (Freeman, however, is da win!!)
comcphee 3 years ago
Hmm..., thats obviously McCoy in a blonde wig. NEVER a good sign!
fluffysbro 3 years ago
Lol, and can't you just tell it's a wig?
I don't blame Colin Baker for not coming back to do one piddling little regeneration scene. By all accounts, it appears he was treated like sh*t by the BBC, for problems not down to him at all. I'd have told them to get ****ed too.
I think this scene was satisfactory anyway. At least they actually showed the regeneration, which is more than you can say for the 8th -> 9th Doctor.
alanmercer23 3 years ago 4
What's the music called when he regenerated.
SuperDigivolution4 3 years ago
@SuperDigivolution4
Crap?
ScreaminJames 1 year ago
i haven't seen a 6th doctor adventure, but he didn't deserve BBC's cruelity! However, the 7th doctor is my personal favorite
Jzilla353 3 years ago
Not missing much. He's a bitter pill after Davison. Still, didn't deserve the harsh treatment he got.
Kihotay 3 years ago
Colin Baker simply was not given a chance, in my opinion. He was brought on at a time where the storylines were shoddy and JNT should have ended his run as producer. If you listen to the new audio series, CB is fantastic and is given the chance to really flesh out the Sixth Doctor.
Megadoodle 3 years ago 4
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cya fatso lol
doctorwho9003 3 years ago
"Leave the girl...it's the man I want."
Epic line!
Madnursemii 3 years ago 2
same here, always make me laugh....love kate o mara.
ive heard in interviews colin said he would came back for whole season then change but they said no just one story, so he didnt commit dont blame him. and i dont think it was ever personal on colin it was just fact micheal grade hated dr who, and made colin a scapecoat
jason241972 3 years ago
Colin Baker didn't come to film his regeneration because of the way he was treated by the BBC at the time. In later years, he's stated time and again that always regretted not doing a PROPER regeneration for the character and the fans, but at the time, he was just not able to deal with the Beeb. Pitty, as Slyvester McCoy in a blond wig looks just horrid!
petewkro 3 years ago 2
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Well, Colin Baker was/is the least popular Doctor of all time according to all the polls. He was just such a prig. I'm not at all shocked if the BBC treated him poorly... "Trial of a Timelord" was absolute crap.
LordThree 3 years ago
Wow, maybe back in 87 that looked ok but it really sucks balls now, doesn't it? I remember being annoyed I missed this when it screened on TV originally. Really didn't miss out on much at all.
Award80 3 years ago
poor poor colin, he derseved a better send off
whosammut 3 years ago 5
Just so unfair. I want a proper goodbye from my favorite doctor! And what exactly killed poor Colin? The BBC did, but I mean in the show.
anton1990 3 years ago
how did you get this scene on here? Time and the Rani isn't even on DVD!
harrietamidala1691 3 years ago
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there was no reason to show this regeneration was there.
This story could have explained why and how the doctor regenerated with a dark mccoy.
Instead this stands as the worst doctor who story ever written imo up there with blink
Jaderinapippy 3 years ago
Wait... Dosent colin regenerate in trial of a time lord
BannedFromThisSite 3 years ago
The most PHETIC regeneration scene ever, Colin Baker never had an especially written Regeneration story (apart from that Time and the Rani tripe) and that is an apaulling end to one of my top 4 doctors, and one of the doctor's with the most protential, then again it has to be said bollock head Micheal Grade played he's fair share in this, what if he was never at the BBC...
LightningT5 3 years ago 2
6 was responsible he was a shit dr infact the worst everyone else were really good
ahdeath2007 3 years ago
The take on the Doctor for the Colin Baker/Slyvester McCoy years was different, showing the characters darker side. Brilliantly done, and miles better then Christopher Eccleston and David Tennant in the "New Who".
thephantomposterII 3 years ago 2
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Slyvey yes colin no. Colin was a fat childish bastard who killed ppl rather than saved them. While 7th had a lot of redeeming qualities and though he was fat and old he was kind of lyk a nice grandad
ahdeath2007 3 years ago
so true!
BannedFromThisSite 3 years ago
I always think the 7th Doctor is similar to the 9th. He seems to know whats happening like the 7th, and he is much darker especially after the Time War. Your right though, it was done very well in the later series.
Trayusstudent1 3 years ago
yeh i loved pete davison
BannedFromThisSite 3 years ago
if you focus very closlly u can tell tht it is mccoy with a wig, make up and some dodgy blonde eyebrows
deathgreat 3 years ago
mccoy a poor actor? this man has played so many fine roles on stages all across britian and he was voted the best doctor in the late eighties over tom baker. he is an excellent actor john nathan turner is to blame for the shows shortcomings back then.
doctorw2 3 years ago 2
yeh tom baker was too fanatic
BannedFromThisSite 3 years ago
My my, Rani is quite the looker. ;)
Arabhaki 3 years ago
Lol was the tardis flying through space getting shot at real?????
brenbot3000 3 years ago
All incarnations of teh Doctor have value. Even Six. :D
Shifterred 3 years ago
I think had the show stayed on longer, McCoy would have been even more brilliant. The "Cartmel masterplan" sounded brilliant. Shame. But, would it be on now?
Trayusstudent1 3 years ago
i lov mcoy! he's brilliant! i think if it wasnt for him, the 10th doctor wouldnt be nice and funny! thats wot i thnk anyway. :)
dwfan12 3 years ago
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u r all tossers
nigeyboy101 3 years ago
u r a tosser nigeyboy101 let the cybermen kill you in shame
dalekcybermen 3 years ago
If you love this programme you shouldn't really pick and choose doctors. The fact is his personalities had to be different to show change. But he is the doctor all the same!
There may have been some dodgy storylines through the years, but hats all to all his incarnations!!
tireoghainian 3 years ago
ive heard a rumor sylvester mccoy said he would do a doctor special with david tennant and that bbc wales have asked tom baker to play the role- would he have to wear a wig?
torchwood10 3 years ago 2
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They must NOT let Sylvester McCoy anywhere near Dr Who - he'll ruin it all over again. He even turned Dr Who The Movie into a flop!!
spongeything 3 years ago
Yes, i'm sure Sylvester McCoy was completely responsible for why the Movie was a flop. It didn't have anything at all to do with the fact that it was shown at the same time as the series finale of Roxanne, that it had gotten only a little advertising, that the story was pretty shit and made a RTD script seem sophisticated by comparison. No, let's continue to blame McCoy for everything, shall we?
DoctorDodge 3 years ago 7