Well come and find out if its a lie pseudo, have car will travel. Which part is lying, the truth about life, still scared to admit to yourself that you will die one day. Which part of that is a lie, and i'm not wrong, thats why I am not a coward. But as your not a coward you will take up my offer of a meet, or have you lost your bottle?
Huh, chicken says he/she. whilst name calling from behind a keyboard, thats so brave, i think thats chicken don't you, typical of a cyclist though!. Wanna meet up sometime? and see who's chicken. Anywhere within the M25 or on the periphery (As pseudo searches for the dictionary again) You'll probably bring your lycra clad army with you to back you up lol
Pseudo. Your obviously young & lived a cotton wool existence, wrapped up in your mothers apron strings, thats what you get when your raised in a nanny state. You are lying to yourself, and living in denial, so you can justify your sad boring self preserving little life. Trying to rope in others into your rigid self imposed belief system, as an excuse to not live but merely exist, and cause misery. Life is for living, and it ends when it ends!
Read your the websites & so what? (No disrespect intended) You just don't get it do you? From the second your born, every second that passes in your life, is one second closer to your death. It is an unavoidable fact. Wether your a good,bad,ugly,soldier,priest,nurse,gangsta is irrelevant.You will die at some stage, & you may or may not die participating in dangerous activity's & likewise with gentler pastimes. Cyclists find this life law unfathomable. Get real, people die, life ain't fair!
Oh Psycho, oops sorry is pseudo ! I believe I answered all your questions, though I don't have too. But your inability to understand words with more than two syllables, and joined up sentences proves to me the no matter what the answer given to you, you will only stick to the same old ubiquitous rhetoric, & fail to expatiate on the subject. Because you choose to know only whats in the goldfish bowl you live in. I own two cars a motorbike and two bicycles, I can speak as an all rounder, can you?
"There are liars, damned liars and statisticians" There are approx. 7 Billion people in the world. If a hundred of the population had one leg missing. Statistically speaking the population of the world has less than one leg! I have driven/ridden a million miles in 20 years. What are the statistics of me having a motor vehicle accident in that time, I have had none! Mathematical guesswork thats what statistics are, a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Designed to fool the masses, esp the ignorant!
Enough nonsense regarding the wording around Taxation. it is playing with words. Its the difference between the old Rates & current Council tax. ie Same meat different gravy.The facts are, a motor vehicle cannot be kept on a public road, unless the owner has paid for (still widely referred to) tax disc, & now insurance. Lets call it a toll then for arguments sake.! Fuel taxation at 60% The more a person is charged to use something. the more, that person feels there right to use it.
Oh here we go, internet facts again.Its on the web so it must be true eh! I bet your heartbroken the N.O.W closed down. It must have been the highlight of your sad little week. I don't care where organs are harvested. It is meant as a cynical remark.Your stupid enough to believe any government would would subsidised 9.6 Billion a year. No doubt the report was written by a cyclist. It is for an elected government to change laws, not half wits riding contraptions from the 1800's bullying motorists
Harmonyww Ur quote "whereas you've made your efforts to annoy people and provoke a hostile reaction painfully obvious" Yes, Just like the critical mass rides, whats good for them is good for me! They affect thousands of ordinary peoples lives. The net is about free speech don't tell me how to troll retard. If your going to write engage brain first. Now get on your bike, & carry your donor card because when you get squished, somebody more worthy than a snitch cyclist is gonna need it!
My suspicions confirmed. Cyclists are between the amoeba and the mollusc on the evolutionary scale.Prey my little snitch, where would one find a pork chop in a Muslim country, I suppose you'll be telling me they have pubs in Afghanistan for the general population as well? Fuckwit! Because i don't ride a bike (anymore) i must be lazy and overweight 5ft 11ins,12.5 st, 16%body fat run 30 miles a week, 4/5 hours of squash per wk (League) I box & i did my 10Yrs in the infantry. u fukin organ donor
I like pissing on the bicycle shrines. A sprayed white bike at the side of the road where some idiot cyclist died. Cyclists of the world go to Afghanistan cycle in front of the patrolling soldiers, do something useful, and become IED detectors, die for a noble cause. Then we shall leave a nice white bike for you there lol fucking cockroaches...........
@mavericklondoner Man, if you're going to troll, at least make it convincing. A good troll comment is subtle and believable, whereas you've made your efforts to annoy people and provoke a hostile reaction painfully obvious.
@mavericklondoner Would you get your lazy overweight arse in Afghanistan then get a fat greasy pork chop in front a soldiers transports so you can move since you are a wider mass and be a claymore or IED target so the U.S. Government doesn't have to worry about a future health problem from your fat lazy tail dude .
Where the hell would you put a tax disk on bicycle and the next thing these bloody greedy corupt scum polititians allways out to get your money would want us to pay the earth for insurance just to please them. cyclists have hills assholes in vans and bad weather to contend with without paying a fortune to suffer all this
Wait up everyone, I'm sick of thinking about who pays for what........... Consider your fellow man. I cycle to work 5 days a week. I watch out and give way to motor vehicles. I only had one problem about 12 years ago. A couple of felow's pinched a car and run me off my bike, I lost my memory for a good while, due to shock. I still ride and don't blame owners of motor cars. We should all slow down, consider each other and play it safe. Life goes on.
There is NO such thing as road tax anymore. Car owners in the Uk pay a very UNFAIR vehicle excise duty (ved) based on vehicle emmisions and NOT on actual mileage. Roads are maintained by each local council and that comes from Council Tax which we all pay - Everyone is entitled to use the roads> Get out of the dark ages folks ROAD TAX is no more ved money goes to the chancellor to dole out as he sees fit
Listen you douchebags, what do you think fuel tax is used for? Obviously there's a road tax even if its not named as such. Where do you think the money comes from you over indulged hippies? And no everyone don't contribute to road maintenance and construction. Just like people who's kids go to private schools get to write that off in their taxes. Pedestrians dont pay as much to roads as drivers do, because they dont use it as much. Cyclists are pedestrians and drivers whenever it suits them.
If drivers want to pay less fuel 'tax', then they could drive a smaller car and learn to drive more efficiently. Most drivers drive cars that are far too large and then proceed to drive them very inefficiently - wrong gear, wrong engine speed, too aggressive and inappropriate overtakes, braking etc.
@pseudotruth most ppl drive cars sized appropriately for their needs. and only teenagers do retarded stuff with their gears and braking. You're an idiot. Even if you use less guess you still pay the same percentage.
"I looked back, could see the road was clear for me to pull out" What? There was a dirty great silver Mercedes behind him? "I could see there was a vehicle already pulling out to make space for me.." Really? Did you not notice that was the self-same silver Mercedes that you pulled in front of? What a dumbass.
Car drivers pay RoadTax(hundreds),Insurance(many hundreds, even thousands) Insuranc tax(20%), fuel tax (60%), MOT (hundreds?), licence fees, driving lessons cost hundreds, all plus VAT(20%), parking fines(tax), driving fines and points(a form of tax?), all remotely monitored by camera nowadays and enforced not by police but local councillors.
Cyclists pay......... Nothing???
Not knocking it, I cycle too. Just pointing it out.
cyclists should pay road tax & insurance, and have number plates so that they can be identified when they go through red lights, ride the wrong way along one way streets, when they ride on the pavements, when they scratch cars in traffic jams. Etc.etc.etc.
People who cycle rather than drive - like me, remove cars from the roads.
When people are in 'traffic-jams', what kind of vehicle comprises ~95%+ of the 'jam?
It is a known fact that compulsory helmets and bicycle licensing both reduce the number who cycle. In NZ, a helmet law reduced cyclists by ~50%. I suspect many just got in their cars.
@radionautomatic Motoring Costs Externalities £48.7 bn Road Building £9 bn Total £57.7 bn Motoring Receipts Car tax VED £5.4 bn Fuel duty £24.9 bn Other costs (VAT in fuel and car sales) £17.8 bn Total £48.1 bn Motorists are subsidised by at least £9.6 billion each year!
Maybe the more intelligent sections of the community have other things to do that watch the local BBC programming and phone in to express just how vacuous and pointless they are as human beings. Glad a part of my license fee has gone to pay some chap reading out the mutterings of insignificant, narrow minded, sofa-dwelling wastes of protoplasm rather than anything which might provoke a modicum of thought from these ridiculous mouth breathers. Just saying...
"Why don't cyclists pay road tax?" : I pay tax which goes to maintain the roads when I work (via income tax) and when I buy stuff (via VAT)... So I pay my "road tax". Oh yeah, I also have a car which I pay tax for
"Why do cyclists think they have a given right to complain about cars?" : Because we live in a country that still has reasonable rights to free expression? Why would anyone think anyone else shouldn't have a right to complain about something?
I pay vehicle excise duty as I own a car, but 90% of my city journeys are on a bike, even through the snow. I feel it's my SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY to not pollute, congest and use a finite resource, and I also enjoy the health and economic benefits of cycling.
Road going bicycled should be required to have rear view mirrors, like all other vehicles. They might make idiots like this guy think twice before wandering out infront of an approaching car.
@peterwall66 Did you watch the video at all? He clearly says he shoulder checked and you see him look back! He said it appeared the car was also pulling out. His only mistake was assuming that the driver in the car behind might have been paying a vague bit of attention to the human on the bike ahead of him...
@peterwall66 I, like many other cyclists, have the ability to swivel my head. I also have eyes that can move about freely in their sockets. A combination of the two gives me the ability to see traffic approaching from behind when needs be. I know the science of this is mind blowing but there you go...
Only shows how dump people are as, what already was said at the end of video, theres no road tax and roads are public for use of everyone. And apart from all this, even if there was road tax and even if the cyclist done something wrong how can anyone use that as an excuse to attacking a person with a car (which in case of any injury would be classified as assault with a dangerous weapon)? seriously, people with this kind of mindsed should be permanently banned from use of motor vehicles!
Now I don't want cyclist to pay road tax as there are cars that don't need to be taxed due to how green they are... But I believe if you use your cycle on the road its should be insured third party cover , Because a fit person can easily achieve decent speeds on a bike.. And if he/she hit a person or damaged a person car and it was deemed there fault they should be held responsible in paying for the damage or someone's wages if they have to take time off work
@kd84afc Don't you have courts for that? Why should anyone be forced to pay "3rd party cover" insurance? It's a scam, and the insurance agents make a killing off you.
@yard1sale1dale have you ever been through a small claims court trust me it will take ages to get anything done first you have to send papers of to the person your taking to court and that's even if respond to them its can take months for anything to happen and thats if the court rules in your favour I believe the only fair way is for the cyclist to be insured because if your laid up with a broken leg because a silly cyclist jumped a red light who's gonna pay your bills and solicitors costs?
@kd84afc I still disagree with mandatory insurance. I think it's a scam. Sorry if your court system sucks. Push for court reforms and driver education.
@yard1sale1dale London streets are very very crowded no matter how much education you give them accidents will happen. Cyclist should be required to pay a insurance fee per year nothing expensive but enough for them to cover them for small repairs to vehicles or person injury to use on roads in case they cause an accident which some of them do because lets face it the most they can cause to a car is a dent so they should be covered for that why should the driver pay if it wasnt his or her fault?
@kd84afc Totally right. The fact that the streets are full of drivers who are blatantly incapable of controlling a one and a half tonne metal box, use their eyes, eat a burger, send an SMS message and check the kids in the back seat should, without a shadow of a doubt, result in legislation that requires the burden of such solipsism of the motorist to manifest itself in an opportunity for the financial sector to fleece the cyclist for trying to opt out of the elaborate rip off of alternatives.
Its very concerning how motorists are very reluctant to stop for almost anything other than traffic lights or other cars stoping. Anything else and they have to think on whether to stop or not. Our driving test is a joke and doesn't psychologically profile drivers
All motorists should spend a month riding a bicycle in the city. THEN you will pay more attention & your attitudes towards cyclists would change DRAMATICALLY
Ride on the pavement you bike wankers. That's what they're there for you fools. Roads are not the place for poor people who can't afford cars. Fúcking childish bastards.
@thewhisperingone Correct!!! If bike riders weren't so lazy maybe they'd have a better job and could afford a car. Get off the roads you lazy bastards.
@Makie1977 You can't possibly be serious. If car drivers weren't so dumb maybe they'd have a clue and realise the advantages of riding a bike. Get off the roads you dumb bastards.
@Makie1977 Incorrect!!! Better jobs like say, Prime Minister, or Mayor of London? Cyclists make up the majority of road users commuting in & out of The City of London at peak times, & have a larger disposable income than motorists.
@Makie1977... So I'm guessing you are a motorist who is fully aware of the Highway code? And being so familiar you are aware that it is illegal to cycle on the pavement and carries a maximum fine of £500... I thought so... back to your cave were trolls belong!
@Makie1977 I bet your one of those obese wankers huh. Cyclist have the same rights to the road to a point as long as the driver and cyclist usually can work out room .1. A Cyclist should usually give room for cars to go by safely if providing comfortable room for the cyclist . 2. Drivers should understand its one less car to jam traffic and most cyclists do have linceses for cars . 3. Cyclists aren't reling on a motor engine but there own power try it to see how it feels.
I'm no great lover of cyclists and I'm not one myself, but they have a right to the road as much as anyone.
All this "They don't pay road tax" stuff is a complete non-argument. Pedestrians use the road but they don't pay "road tax" either. The fact is we *all* pay for the upkeep of the roads. VED is just car tax under a different name. If you don't have a car, you don't pay VED - simple.
Then let cyclists use the pavements, like in most other European countries. When the oil is gone they'll be singing a different tune. They'll be paying accomplished cyclists to ferry their lardy arses around on rickshaws,
To fucking right, until they start paying road tax like we HAVE to then no1 will care about your opinion. If my car does not move all year therefore producing ZERO CO2 i still HAVE to pay road tax to have it stationary on the road all year.
@ptuku I'm using it as an example. DON'T TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY. Cyclists are self pretentious cunts. I would to see one run over and killed in front of me.
@tel0j you're obviously trolling or ignorant as fuck
I see you live in the UK, and you should know by now that everyone who pays their taxes, also pays for the roads... and how many people using a bicycle do not have a car? they still pay their taxes while using a bike that puts far less stress on the environment
you should get here to the Netherlands and enjoy the cities on the bicycle, see how people here know how to live with their fellow inhabitants of the low lands.. or search YT
@ptuku Don't talk to me about the enviroment, you grow a vagina when you start debating about the little flowers being green. I grew out of riding bicycles when i was 12.
@tel0j You don't pay road tax, there is no taxation in the United Kingdom for use of a public road. All roads are funded by general and local taxation which everyone pays regardless of their preference of transport.
Road Tax was abolished by Winston Churchill in 1937, please do some research before you come here making yourself look a complete tool.
@tel0j are you still banging on about emissions with that dumb nonsensical example? why don't you think of something else to do or say? like paying silly amounts of money to get held up in traffic, i know that's one of your favourite pastimes. i'd be pissed off too if i was that dumb
@smith34n This coming from a pussy cyclist who always wet their pants when a real man gets out of his car and threatens them with violence, you and your ilk remind me of chess playing toffee nosed idiots, with no common sense, and no hope in a fight. Bow before a real man.
@tel0j You say I have no common sense yet you claim that a real man is one who threatens violence against another.
Just looked through your other comments on YouTube, several racist remarks, threats of murder and general hate. You really must have a shit life if you feel obligated to satisfy your need for self-importance on the internet.
You're probably not even old enough to drive a car.
@smith34n I have a great life and am quite wealthy actually, I am just a nasty piece of work because i can be and i despise most other cunts, especially those who have opposite views as mine so are therefore wrong. I thanku for looking through my history, i must have really got to u, whereas i couldn't give a fuck if you dropped dead reading this. Actually that is a lie because i am kinda hoping you will.
@tel0j You didn't get to me at all, I was found it amusing how you feel the need to hate others and that you lack the basic fundamentals of coversational skills.
The only thing you didn't comment on was the part where I stated you probably were not old enough to drive. As with most trolls, you lie about your real life. Sad really.
@circusboy90210 you are saying cyclist should pay for VED (road tax), VED is calculated on emissions a vehicle emits and therefore some cars don't even pay for it. you are saying cyclist should have VED and therefore the amount paid would be £0 (nothing) because cyclist emits nothing into the air.so you would to pay extra staff to issue and send a free VED cert to every cyclist for basically no reason. cost to cyclist nothing, cost to administor extra VED certs properly in the thousands.
@terrygardener82 - Did that comment not enlighten you to the truth that climate taxes are really a tax on humans? (we're the ones exhaling the c02). 'Control your carbon FOOTPRINT'. Depopulation is coming.
@rainsburysb psp10004 is right, how much more damage does a bike do to the enviroment than a pedestrian? not so very much.. the road might get darker but that's really about it.
it's just 10 kilo's more for a 'normal' (replace this by 'slower' in countries where they think cycling in spandex is the way to go) bike..
and how much BHP does one cyclist has? 100 times less to tear up the asphalt amiright?
1: There is no such thing as a Road Tax, please go to wikipedia and research Vehicle excise duty
2: Bicycles are vehicles under the 1968 Vienna Convention for Road Traffic Treaty to which the UK, USA and 150 more countries are signatories and are therefore only allowed on the street and not the sidewalk (you can't drive your car on the sidewalk either).
@masterknaster Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) (also commonly known as vehicle tax, car tax and road tax) is a vehicle road use tax levied as an excise duty which must be paid for most types of vehicle which are to be used (or parked) on the public roads in the United Kingdom.[1] yes there is a road tax. cars do not really damage roads trucks do.
Ever notice that cyclists who have helmet cams let accidents happen as well as the driver? Say the driver is making a left turn and your on the right side of the road. They turn and 90% of these helmet cams shows the bike still plowing in without braking a little.... That's why drivers hate you (I ride my bike to school sometimes) Always use the bikelane or sidewalk. A bike is not a road vehicle. You don't own the road.
the vehicle was moving out......and then it hits you, strange....any how, there is no arguement with road tax, because there is no road tax....i think that all new road should have bike lane but much wider, after all pedestrians have pavements, and they don't pay pavement tax DO THEY
@masterknaster Quite true, but it seems that 'Road Tax' is a reference people are familiar with (VED is a bit of a mouthful really) and unable to shake off.
I've left several comments on videos and I've found referng to it as Road Tax makes more sense to people.
Either way, VED is an emissions tax and nothing to do with the 'use' of the road.... I wish the ''You don't pay road tax' fools would get it through their heads!
Dim would be a better assessment of his comments, more so than ignorant!
& cyclist dont want extra rights, they want the rights owed to them, [not by the Government but] respect from individuals like you who disregard their fundamental rights to go where they want in what is regarded as a free society!
Also you must be a hypocrite, seeing as how you were a courier!
I have the feeling you just like being argumentative& trying to obfuscate matters that you genuinely do not care for, this being one
@martinar2 rights are not free, they must be payed for. cyclist pay nothing and should have no rights till they pay to use the road like everybody else(horse people need to start paying too)
haha if you want a special lane then you should stay in it. that was awesome going down like that . cyclist want extra rights but they don't want to pay for them like motor vehicles do.
@Cliffjumper24 so according to your logic heavy or old cars and motor vehicles should have more rights than any of those other class of users because they pay an extra tax , based upon an illegitmate false non science.
@Cliffjumper24 yes and vehicles roll on the road so yes certain vehicles do pay more to use the road than other vehicles. bicycles pay none so should have no special rights. we do it right in the us . however when I'm over for the olympics next summer why don't you explain it to me then? maye I'll lease a car and not pay any road taxes and see how it really works. much love.
@Cliffjumper24 Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) (also commonly known as vehicle tax, car tax and road tax) is a vehicle road use tax levied as an excise duty which must be paid for most types of vehicle which are to be used (or parked) on the public roads in the United Kingdom.[1] sure as rain there is a link between ved and using the road.
cars don't damage roads heavy trucks do the damage. no the cyclist is not subsidizing anything. motor vehicles pay the lions share, cycles pay nothing . much love
@Cliffjumper24 road beds in european nations are 3 times deeper than here in the us. the initial cost is higher and paid for by road users , the amount council might spend on repairs is nothing. bring me some real numbers about repair cost and what ved pays into it.
I love to ride bikes and motorbikes,(have very good examples of both, one of which goes 203 mph) however cyclist do not pay their fair share, and cars don't really hurt the road either.
@circusboy90210 What you're asking for doesn't exist. VED pays nothing to road repairs, which is what I've been trying to explain to you for days now.
VED goes to the Treasury along with Income Tax, Fuel Duty, Inheritance tax (etc), but in terms of actual money, it'd be impossible to say where it goes. NHS, Pensions, Military, transport... who knows.
VED raises 5.4bn, but 3.5bn is spent on roads.... but again, there's no link between VED and road repairs anyway.
@circusboy90210 What are you talking about that cars don't hurt the road? Cars and weather in combination are the primary causes of potholes. Source: Michigan Department of Transportation, "What causes potholes?"
Bicycles, because of their minimal weight, simply can't do this kind of thing to a road. So why should bicyclists have to pay for roads they just aren't fucking up?
@nerdpoke weak roadbeds first cause of potholes. secondly weather thirdly large trucks and weather. cars have a very small impact on the road compared to these other inputs. no cars really don't do that much damage as relatively speaking they don't weight that much. why should cycle have to pay?? because they are using it. trucks pay the majority of taxes, and are severly limited to the types of roads available to them.
@circusboy90210 What are your sources of information? For all I know you could just be making these "facts" up (I don't mean this in an offensive way, but since I am not sure of their truth of untruth, I felt that I had to use quotation marks). And basically, someone expressing such radical thoughts can't be taken seriously without statistics and facts with cited sources to back up his/her argument. Happy holidays! :D
@nerdpoke it's common sense where damage comes from. I dno't need to make up these facts they are their for you to see too. using your brain is a good source of information as well.
What about cyclists who also have cars? In addition, do they really think that the road-tax is enough to pay for all of the road-networks' maintainance?
I love the statement about tax at the end, if you seriously believe that the billions paid by road users is not more than covering the cost of the roads you are seriously delusional. This particular accident was clearly the fault of then car, although I would say that you took up far too much road space. All push bike users should be made to wear helmets, have a road fund licence and insurance, oh and of course made to abide by the laws of the Highway Code. With rights come responsibilities!!!
@AtheistMessiah1972 Too much road space? Maybe you've not heard of 'The Door Zone' where a car could open a door in the path of a cyclists.
General taxation pays for the roads, primarily Council tax. A cyclist that doesn't also drive is effectively subsidising road repairs because a bike doesn't damage the road like a motor vehicle does.
As for road tax it is an EMISSIONS tax and nothing to do with the USE of the roads.
As for the Highway Code, most motorists ignore it!
I'm a regular cyclist and motorist (oooh you traitor!) You're road position was wrong, too far out into the road too soon. This is but my opinion. It doesn't excuse hitting you though.
Many cyclists are worse road users than cars, usually not indicating when turning or changing lanes etc(legal requirement) but some car drivers are atrocious and should be taken off the roads too. Car drivers pay a fortune to use the roads through road tax, fuel tax, insurance tax and anything else is just spin.
Yeah, "cyclist need to pay road tax..." how did they work that one out? since electric cars "little Wizz" or hybrids like toyota prius dont pay road tax. And all off a sudden, "make ciclist pay road tax!" - all I can say is - wow, ppl behind this kinda remarks arent very bright and maybe they need to start cycling since they might be presenting danger on the road with QI like that.
hate this one sided argument people always have against cyclists. taxation on cars is accordance to their emisions they create. as bicycles do not produce any emissions they do not need to be taxed. these drivers need to "get of their high horse", get their fat arses onto a bike and see what its like being with cars. yes i admit some cyclists are sometimes in the wrong but to hate all cyclists for the actions of only a few is predudice. VIVE LE CYCLIST!!
It's not even called road tax. It's car tax which doesn't get spent on the upkeep (or lack of) of our roads, that gets taken from other taxes such as council tax. If cyclists should pay a tax what about horses? Or pedestrians with push chairs? Or the fatties that speed around on their scooters?
@jalit There is no taxation for use of a public road in the UK anyway. Upkeep of UK roads comes from general taxation, which we all pay through VAT and income deductions. Motorists pay no extra or special tax which gives them unique privilages to contribute more towards keeping the roads maintained.
Regardless if you never use the roads, you pay the same amount as any motorist or cyclist. So by the "road tax" logic, pedestrians do pay road tax.
@smith34n, could you not argue that motorists pay a shed load of tax on petrol which cyclist dont (obviously!) and therefore contribute more!! Cyclists should at the very least be insured.... who pays for my broken wing mirrors that get smashed off on my road (no double/ single yellows, and is private so I am entited to park on road!)
Ya , because everybody knows its true that cyclists go around with a point system when it comes to hitting wing mirrors! Are you actually serious??? And the Gov would pay you for a broken wing mirror because you said those magic words "blame the cyclists" , Get out of town, literally!!
@martinar2 the money I pay via insurance to the insurance companies would pay for it!! Thats what our premiums cover!!! Accidents. If a cyclist was to try and 'filter' and clip my wing mirror and break it off..... why am I then out of pocket as they are too impatient to wait until they can FIT past the cars... by the way cycle lanes arent always separate to the roads where I live, they are merely different color to the main lanes!!
You said that the Gov should pay, not the insurance! Probably wouldn't be worth raising your premium over a side mirror! I dont deny that the "breakers" should be accountable, but this started as general disrespect towards cyclists, I admit that you'll find yobs in all aspects of life! Filtering by a reasonable, capable cyclist is fine! Drivers tend to be very unreasonable and disregard others because of their subjective view! I never saw a bike running over a car!
@martinar2 filtering is fab- if you dont get some moron trying to squeeze through a ridiculous small gap!! PS that was a quick response lol. I didnt mean to show disrespect to cyclists, but this arguement gets pathetic very quickly. Both lots of road users have a bad bunch.... cyclists on the road, and then hop on the pavement when a traffic light changes red, no lights, lack of signalling, last 2 of which are dangerous, and car drivers are equally poor. Good cyclists seem to be minority here!
I'll admit to doing all those things and more :), except jumping kerbs and bad signalling! Ireland is a little more lax and may have more road space, but if someone was acting the *** he/she would be told off , pronto! as I said its all subjective opinions on this matter!
I find that if you cycle as fast as the speed limit in towns etc how could anybody tell you off!
@lmcalla So, by that logic as a frequent rail user I should have prority booking seats? Of course not, the tax you pay through sales of oil is general taxation which goes to the treasury, you could use any retail item frequently purchased and use that to argue your right of the road. Just because it relates to cars in this matter doesn't give you unique privilages on the road.
For your information, around 60% of London's regular cycle commuters have insurance.
@smith34n Thats fab..... if you live in London... but seeing as there are more places to our country than just the capital that aint a great lot of help to the rest of us!
An I do believe I said 'couldnt you argue' it was a hypothetical question. I have a great deal of respect for those who have the time to cycle, not to mention the balls of steel they have!! If the roads we have were better equipped to deal with cyclists and car users, this argument wouldnt have to happen!
@circusboy90210 Cyclists should not pay road tax. period. Cycling is sustainable, cars are not. why would you tax something that is sustainable for our cities? If anything, we should pay people to cycle on roads and leave their car at home
@cameron0434 cars are sustainable too. your definition of sustainablity ignores abiotic oil. cars save time which is the most valuable commodity that can never be replaced.
@10lx that was not a bicycle as we know it today that was closer to the hobby horse. the bicycle as we know it with chain and sprocket was almost 90 years later. the car will never end with the advent of alterantive fuels. the science you've been taught is faulty, there is nothing to back it up and the peer review process has been compromised. bicycles are nice but they just don't work time or space wise for a real persons lifestyle like getting grocerys, taking the kids to school etc.
Well come and find out if its a lie pseudo, have car will travel. Which part is lying, the truth about life, still scared to admit to yourself that you will die one day. Which part of that is a lie, and i'm not wrong, thats why I am not a coward. But as your not a coward you will take up my offer of a meet, or have you lost your bottle?
mavericklondoner 18 hours ago
Huh, chicken says he/she. whilst name calling from behind a keyboard, thats so brave, i think thats chicken don't you, typical of a cyclist though!. Wanna meet up sometime? and see who's chicken. Anywhere within the M25 or on the periphery (As pseudo searches for the dictionary again) You'll probably bring your lycra clad army with you to back you up lol
mavericklondoner 18 hours ago
Pseudo. Your obviously young & lived a cotton wool existence, wrapped up in your mothers apron strings, thats what you get when your raised in a nanny state. You are lying to yourself, and living in denial, so you can justify your sad boring self preserving little life. Trying to rope in others into your rigid self imposed belief system, as an excuse to not live but merely exist, and cause misery. Life is for living, and it ends when it ends!
mavericklondoner 18 hours ago
@mavericklondoner
Anything but answer the question. You are too much of a coward to admit you were wrong.
You've had your chance you pathetic individual. I strongly suspect that everything you've said was a lie.
pseudotruth 18 hours ago
Read your the websites & so what? (No disrespect intended) You just don't get it do you? From the second your born, every second that passes in your life, is one second closer to your death. It is an unavoidable fact. Wether your a good,bad,ugly,soldier,priest,nurse,gangsta is irrelevant.You will die at some stage, & you may or may not die participating in dangerous activity's & likewise with gentler pastimes. Cyclists find this life law unfathomable. Get real, people die, life ain't fair!
mavericklondoner 18 hours ago
@mavericklondoner
Cluck, cluck, cluck, you chicken!
pseudotruth 18 hours ago
Oh Psycho, oops sorry is pseudo ! I believe I answered all your questions, though I don't have too. But your inability to understand words with more than two syllables, and joined up sentences proves to me the no matter what the answer given to you, you will only stick to the same old ubiquitous rhetoric, & fail to expatiate on the subject. Because you choose to know only whats in the goldfish bowl you live in. I own two cars a motorbike and two bicycles, I can speak as an all rounder, can you?
mavericklondoner 1 day ago
@mavericklondoner
Hard of thinking, you have not answered. Your continued prevarication and dishonesty shows you are afraid of my question.
I'll remind you, were
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and
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just organ donors too?
pseudotruth 21 hours ago
"There are liars, damned liars and statisticians" There are approx. 7 Billion people in the world. If a hundred of the population had one leg missing. Statistically speaking the population of the world has less than one leg! I have driven/ridden a million miles in 20 years. What are the statistics of me having a motor vehicle accident in that time, I have had none! Mathematical guesswork thats what statistics are, a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Designed to fool the masses, esp the ignorant!
mavericklondoner 1 day ago
Enough nonsense regarding the wording around Taxation. it is playing with words. Its the difference between the old Rates & current Council tax. ie Same meat different gravy.The facts are, a motor vehicle cannot be kept on a public road, unless the owner has paid for (still widely referred to) tax disc, & now insurance. Lets call it a toll then for arguments sake.! Fuel taxation at 60% The more a person is charged to use something. the more, that person feels there right to use it.
mavericklondoner 1 day ago
@mavericklondoner
Your tacit refusal to answer reasonable questions, means you have no answer.
Thanks for admission that you are wrong!
pseudotruth 1 day ago
Oh here we go, internet facts again.Its on the web so it must be true eh! I bet your heartbroken the N.O.W closed down. It must have been the highlight of your sad little week. I don't care where organs are harvested. It is meant as a cynical remark.Your stupid enough to believe any government would would subsidised 9.6 Billion a year. No doubt the report was written by a cyclist. It is for an elected government to change laws, not half wits riding contraptions from the 1800's bullying motorists
mavericklondoner 1 day ago
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Harmonyww Ur quote "whereas you've made your efforts to annoy people and provoke a hostile reaction painfully obvious" Yes, Just like the critical mass rides, whats good for them is good for me! They affect thousands of ordinary peoples lives. The net is about free speech don't tell me how to troll retard. If your going to write engage brain first. Now get on your bike, & carry your donor card because when you get squished, somebody more worthy than a snitch cyclist is gonna need it!
mavericklondoner 2 days ago
My suspicions confirmed. Cyclists are between the amoeba and the mollusc on the evolutionary scale.Prey my little snitch, where would one find a pork chop in a Muslim country, I suppose you'll be telling me they have pubs in Afghanistan for the general population as well? Fuckwit! Because i don't ride a bike (anymore) i must be lazy and overweight 5ft 11ins,12.5 st, 16%body fat run 30 miles a week, 4/5 hours of squash per wk (League) I box & i did my 10Yrs in the infantry. u fukin organ donor
mavericklondoner 2 days ago
@mavericklondoner
The armed forces do a great job, but that doesn't make you right. Motor-vehicles are a problem, whether or not you accept it.
Part of the reason is this: is dot gd slash qczSzL
and this: is dot gd slash QgxkJO
Were they organ donors too?
You need to distinguish between fact and opinion.
pseudotruth 1 day ago
I hate that argument about Churchill stopping it from being called road tax. Its the kind of argument Id expect from an uppety overeducated cyclist.
Pentdad 4 days ago
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rossidude 4 days ago
I like pissing on the bicycle shrines. A sprayed white bike at the side of the road where some idiot cyclist died. Cyclists of the world go to Afghanistan cycle in front of the patrolling soldiers, do something useful, and become IED detectors, die for a noble cause. Then we shall leave a nice white bike for you there lol fucking cockroaches...........
mavericklondoner 6 days ago
@mavericklondoner Man, if you're going to troll, at least make it convincing. A good troll comment is subtle and believable, whereas you've made your efforts to annoy people and provoke a hostile reaction painfully obvious.
Harmonyww 6 days ago
@mavericklondoner Would you get your lazy overweight arse in Afghanistan then get a fat greasy pork chop in front a soldiers transports so you can move since you are a wider mass and be a claymore or IED target so the U.S. Government doesn't have to worry about a future health problem from your fat lazy tail dude .
Dragonsayian 2 days ago
Where the hell would you put a tax disk on bicycle and the next thing these bloody greedy corupt scum polititians allways out to get your money would want us to pay the earth for insurance just to please them. cyclists have hills assholes in vans and bad weather to contend with without paying a fortune to suffer all this
paul4608 1 week ago
Wait up everyone, I'm sick of thinking about who pays for what........... Consider your fellow man. I cycle to work 5 days a week. I watch out and give way to motor vehicles. I only had one problem about 12 years ago. A couple of felow's pinched a car and run me off my bike, I lost my memory for a good while, due to shock. I still ride and don't blame owners of motor cars. We should all slow down, consider each other and play it safe. Life goes on.
darkseers 2 weeks ago
@darkseers its a shame you didn,t get a no win no fee guy on the case and screwed the bastards
paul4608 1 week ago
There is NO such thing as road tax anymore. Car owners in the Uk pay a very UNFAIR vehicle excise duty (ved) based on vehicle emmisions and NOT on actual mileage. Roads are maintained by each local council and that comes from Council Tax which we all pay - Everyone is entitled to use the roads> Get out of the dark ages folks ROAD TAX is no more ved money goes to the chancellor to dole out as he sees fit
1ninjatracey 2 weeks ago
Listen you douchebags, what do you think fuel tax is used for? Obviously there's a road tax even if its not named as such. Where do you think the money comes from you over indulged hippies? And no everyone don't contribute to road maintenance and construction. Just like people who's kids go to private schools get to write that off in their taxes. Pedestrians dont pay as much to roads as drivers do, because they dont use it as much. Cyclists are pedestrians and drivers whenever it suits them.
worshiphotgirls 2 weeks ago
@worshiphotgirls
If drivers want to pay less fuel 'tax', then they could drive a smaller car and learn to drive more efficiently. Most drivers drive cars that are far too large and then proceed to drive them very inefficiently - wrong gear, wrong engine speed, too aggressive and inappropriate overtakes, braking etc.
pseudotruth 1 week ago
@pseudotruth most ppl drive cars sized appropriately for their needs. and only teenagers do retarded stuff with their gears and braking. You're an idiot. Even if you use less guess you still pay the same percentage.
worshiphotgirls 1 day ago
@worshiphotgirls
Please can you translate that into English?
pseudotruth 1 day ago
How many times does it have to be said?
There is no such thing as Road Tax. It was abolished by Churchill in 1937.
If you mean Vehicle Excise Duty (Tax Disc), then cyclists would pay band A rate as they are considered zero emissions. This is set at £0.
Mercianboy 2 weeks ago
"I looked back, could see the road was clear for me to pull out" What? There was a dirty great silver Mercedes behind him? "I could see there was a vehicle already pulling out to make space for me.." Really? Did you not notice that was the self-same silver Mercedes that you pulled in front of? What a dumbass.
bigglyguy 2 weeks ago
Car drivers pay RoadTax(hundreds),Insurance(many hundreds, even thousands) Insuranc tax(20%), fuel tax (60%), MOT (hundreds?), licence fees, driving lessons cost hundreds, all plus VAT(20%), parking fines(tax), driving fines and points(a form of tax?), all remotely monitored by camera nowadays and enforced not by police but local councillors.
Cyclists pay......... Nothing???
Not knocking it, I cycle too. Just pointing it out.
Saxoncloset 2 weeks ago
@Saxoncloset
Fines are not a tax. If you don't want to pay the fine, don't do the crime!
Motorists do not pay the external costs of motoring. GIYF.
I don't believe you are a cyclist.
pseudotruth 1 week ago
cyclists should pay road tax & insurance, and have number plates so that they can be identified when they go through red lights, ride the wrong way along one way streets, when they ride on the pavements, when they scratch cars in traffic jams. Etc.etc.etc.
hawkertruffelsnout 3 weeks ago
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@hawkertruffelsnout
'have number plates so that they can be identified when they go through red lights'
Doesn't stop most motorists, just watch at pretty-well any set of traffic lights.
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pseudotruth 1 day ago
@hawkertruffelsnout
Please explain how a cyclist or anyone-else could pay road-tax, a tax that doesn't exist and hasn't since 1937?
VED, is a tax on pollution, levied on mechanically-propelled vehicles, which bicycles are not.
VED isn't any kind of road-tax, because low-polluting vehicles are zero-rated.
Roads are funded out of general taxation, so every taxpayer pays for them.
Many cyclists are insured, via home or club membership.
pseudotruth 1 day ago
@hawkertruffelsnout
People who cycle rather than drive - like me, remove cars from the roads.
When people are in 'traffic-jams', what kind of vehicle comprises ~95%+ of the 'jam?
It is a known fact that compulsory helmets and bicycle licensing both reduce the number who cycle. In NZ, a helmet law reduced cyclists by ~50%. I suspect many just got in their cars.
Would more cars help? Or would fewer cars help?
pseudotruth 1 day ago
Pay road tax and get better facilities. Two wheeled menaces!
radionautomatic 3 weeks ago
@radionautomatic
So few words and so much wrong.
Road-tax doesn't exist and hasn't done since 1937! Roads are funded out of general taxation. So all taxpayers pay for the roads.
Motor-vehicles are the danger, shown by physics and statistics. Motorists do not pay the external costs of motoring, they are subsidised.
pseudotruth 1 day ago
pseudotruth 1 day ago
Maybe the more intelligent sections of the community have other things to do that watch the local BBC programming and phone in to express just how vacuous and pointless they are as human beings. Glad a part of my license fee has gone to pay some chap reading out the mutterings of insignificant, narrow minded, sofa-dwelling wastes of protoplasm rather than anything which might provoke a modicum of thought from these ridiculous mouth breathers. Just saying...
robertjamesfrost 3 weeks ago
"Why don't cyclists pay road tax?" : I pay tax which goes to maintain the roads when I work (via income tax) and when I buy stuff (via VAT)... So I pay my "road tax". Oh yeah, I also have a car which I pay tax for
"Why do cyclists think they have a given right to complain about cars?" : Because we live in a country that still has reasonable rights to free expression? Why would anyone think anyone else shouldn't have a right to complain about something?
"Cyclists get off your high horse" - No.
robertjamesfrost 3 weeks ago
I pay vehicle excise duty as I own a car, but 90% of my city journeys are on a bike, even through the snow. I feel it's my SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY to not pollute, congest and use a finite resource, and I also enjoy the health and economic benefits of cycling.
MrHenryrolls 3 weeks ago
Road going bicycled should be required to have rear view mirrors, like all other vehicles. They might make idiots like this guy think twice before wandering out infront of an approaching car.
peterwall66 4 weeks ago
@peterwall66 Did you watch the video at all? He clearly says he shoulder checked and you see him look back! He said it appeared the car was also pulling out. His only mistake was assuming that the driver in the car behind might have been paying a vague bit of attention to the human on the bike ahead of him...
SkrzypczykBass 4 weeks ago 3
@peterwall66 I, like many other cyclists, have the ability to swivel my head. I also have eyes that can move about freely in their sockets. A combination of the two gives me the ability to see traffic approaching from behind when needs be. I know the science of this is mind blowing but there you go...
robertjamesfrost 3 weeks ago
Only shows how dump people are as, what already was said at the end of video, theres no road tax and roads are public for use of everyone. And apart from all this, even if there was road tax and even if the cyclist done something wrong how can anyone use that as an excuse to attacking a person with a car (which in case of any injury would be classified as assault with a dangerous weapon)? seriously, people with this kind of mindsed should be permanently banned from use of motor vehicles!
thaurgurth 1 month ago 4
Now I don't want cyclist to pay road tax as there are cars that don't need to be taxed due to how green they are... But I believe if you use your cycle on the road its should be insured third party cover , Because a fit person can easily achieve decent speeds on a bike.. And if he/she hit a person or damaged a person car and it was deemed there fault they should be held responsible in paying for the damage or someone's wages if they have to take time off work
kd84afc 1 month ago
@kd84afc Don't you have courts for that? Why should anyone be forced to pay "3rd party cover" insurance? It's a scam, and the insurance agents make a killing off you.
yard1sale1dale 1 month ago
@yard1sale1dale have you ever been through a small claims court trust me it will take ages to get anything done first you have to send papers of to the person your taking to court and that's even if respond to them its can take months for anything to happen and thats if the court rules in your favour I believe the only fair way is for the cyclist to be insured because if your laid up with a broken leg because a silly cyclist jumped a red light who's gonna pay your bills and solicitors costs?
kd84afc 1 month ago
@kd84afc I still disagree with mandatory insurance. I think it's a scam. Sorry if your court system sucks. Push for court reforms and driver education.
yard1sale1dale 1 month ago 2
@yard1sale1dale London streets are very very crowded no matter how much education you give them accidents will happen. Cyclist should be required to pay a insurance fee per year nothing expensive but enough for them to cover them for small repairs to vehicles or person injury to use on roads in case they cause an accident which some of them do because lets face it the most they can cause to a car is a dent so they should be covered for that why should the driver pay if it wasnt his or her fault?
kd84afc 1 month ago
@kd84afc Totally right. The fact that the streets are full of drivers who are blatantly incapable of controlling a one and a half tonne metal box, use their eyes, eat a burger, send an SMS message and check the kids in the back seat should, without a shadow of a doubt, result in legislation that requires the burden of such solipsism of the motorist to manifest itself in an opportunity for the financial sector to fleece the cyclist for trying to opt out of the elaborate rip off of alternatives.
robertjamesfrost 3 weeks ago
Why is it that every time britts say cycle path it sounds like phsyco path
mightybeanzrock5 1 month ago
@mightybeanzrock5 your dumb ears probably
kd84afc 1 month ago
@kd84afc shut up crap holee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mightybeanzrock5 2 weeks ago
@mightybeanzrock5 next time a cyclist hits your car door and causes £1000 worth of damage you wouldnt think like that... dickhead
kd84afc 2 weeks ago
Its very concerning how motorists are very reluctant to stop for almost anything other than traffic lights or other cars stoping. Anything else and they have to think on whether to stop or not. Our driving test is a joke and doesn't psychologically profile drivers
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@210482fmj
One only has to wait at RED traffic lights to see motorists NOT STOPPING.
pseudotruth 1 week ago
We all pay for the roads. 'Road Tax' is just for emissions, hence why many cars pay no road tax at all.
SillyEddyPhotography 1 month ago
All motorists should spend a month riding a bicycle in the city. THEN you will pay more attention & your attitudes towards cyclists would change DRAMATICALLY
strangefacekid 1 month ago 14
I fucking hate the phrase 'hate on'. It doesn't even make sense. Either drop the 'on', or use some more creative language.
fuzzmaniac 1 month ago
@fuzzmaniac Creative? That's asking a bit much of this crowd don't you think?
0snakebite 1 month ago
Ride on the pavement you bike wankers. That's what they're there for you fools. Roads are not the place for poor people who can't afford cars. Fúcking childish bastards.
Makie1977 1 month ago
@Makie1977 That's right, all cyclists are poor people who can't afford a car! You ignorant, narrow minded twat
thewhisperingone 1 month ago
@thewhisperingone Correct!!! If bike riders weren't so lazy maybe they'd have a better job and could afford a car. Get off the roads you lazy bastards.
Makie1977 1 month ago
@Makie1977 You can't possibly be serious. If car drivers weren't so dumb maybe they'd have a clue and realise the advantages of riding a bike. Get off the roads you dumb bastards.
0snakebite 1 month ago
@Makie1977 Incorrect!!! Better jobs like say, Prime Minister, or Mayor of London? Cyclists make up the majority of road users commuting in & out of The City of London at peak times, & have a larger disposable income than motorists.
zivkovicable 1 month ago
@Makie1977 - Lard-arse
So propelling a bicycle is lazy and sitting on your fat-arse in a car is not lazy?
Thanks for explaining that to me. I think you need to learn about irony.
pseudotruth 1 week ago
@pseudotruth I think it's you who needs to learn about irony. Thick bastard.
Makie1977 1 week ago
@Makie1977
Yet more irony! With each comment, you reveal yourself as an even bigger fool.
pseudotruth 1 week ago
@pseudotruth hahaha I've caught myself a big one this time lol
Makie1977 1 week ago
@Makie1977
Ah! The Dunning-Kruger effect!
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pseudotruth 1 week ago
@Makie1977... So I'm guessing you are a motorist who is fully aware of the Highway code? And being so familiar you are aware that it is illegal to cycle on the pavement and carries a maximum fine of £500... I thought so... back to your cave were trolls belong!
darrelbmad 1 month ago
I dont pay road tax on my bike, nor VED, insurance or petrol! Jealous cagers?
sirarrgh 1 month ago
Ride on the pavement you idiot. That's what they're for. Roads are for motor vehicles.
Makie1977 1 month ago
@Makie1977
Isn't riding on foot paths illegal in the UK?
And riding at 40km/h is not a great idea on foot paths.
gorillasocks 1 month ago
@gorillasocks No it's perfectly legal. Trust me.
Makie1977 1 month ago
@Makie1977
Yes, I'd prefer not to run down pedestrians.
Not to mention that where I live, there isn't foot paths the entire route to where I work.
Bicycles do have the same rights to the road as cars, horses, etc
gorillasocks 1 month ago
@Makie1977 No, actually its 100% illegal to cycle on pavements.
Roads are NOT for motor vehicles, if that were the case why do you use them under license?
Roads are for anyone who wishes to use them, ranging from tanks to pedestrians.
Since 1879, bicycles have been classed as carriages therefor MUST NOT use public foot ways. All vehicles classed as carriages must use carriage ways.
Simple.
Dont throw around laws, and certainly dont tell people to trust you when you know jack.
sirarrgh 1 month ago
@Makie1977 I bet your one of those obese wankers huh. Cyclist have the same rights to the road to a point as long as the driver and cyclist usually can work out room .1. A Cyclist should usually give room for cars to go by safely if providing comfortable room for the cyclist . 2. Drivers should understand its one less car to jam traffic and most cyclists do have linceses for cars . 3. Cyclists aren't reling on a motor engine but there own power try it to see how it feels.
Dragonsayian 1 month ago
I'm no great lover of cyclists and I'm not one myself, but they have a right to the road as much as anyone.
All this "They don't pay road tax" stuff is a complete non-argument. Pedestrians use the road but they don't pay "road tax" either. The fact is we *all* pay for the upkeep of the roads. VED is just car tax under a different name. If you don't have a car, you don't pay VED - simple.
Otacatapetl 1 month ago
fuck you all who say bad about cyclist,it cool to ride a bike so so to the rest eat shit and die with your tax ,have up your ass mother fuckers.
joepanable 1 month ago
Then let cyclists use the pavements, like in most other European countries. When the oil is gone they'll be singing a different tune. They'll be paying accomplished cyclists to ferry their lardy arses around on rickshaws,
usenetposts 1 month ago
British attitude to cars = ridiculous
Too many on the roads
timbobjiffjaff 2 months ago
@timbobjiffjaff have you been to america
0snakebite 1 month ago
To fucking right, until they start paying road tax like we HAVE to then no1 will care about your opinion. If my car does not move all year therefore producing ZERO CO2 i still HAVE to pay road tax to have it stationary on the road all year.
tel0j 2 months ago
@tel0j then you should get rid of your car.......
ptuku 1 month ago
@ptuku I'm using it as an example. DON'T TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY. Cyclists are self pretentious cunts. I would to see one run over and killed in front of me.
tel0j 1 month ago
@tel0j you're obviously trolling or ignorant as fuck
I see you live in the UK, and you should know by now that everyone who pays their taxes, also pays for the roads... and how many people using a bicycle do not have a car? they still pay their taxes while using a bike that puts far less stress on the environment
you should get here to the Netherlands and enjoy the cities on the bicycle, see how people here know how to live with their fellow inhabitants of the low lands.. or search YT
ptuku 1 month ago
@ptuku Don't talk to me about the enviroment, you grow a vagina when you start debating about the little flowers being green. I grew out of riding bicycles when i was 12.
tel0j 1 month ago
@tel0j If you were to grow one at least you'd have some sort of contact with one.
usenetposts 1 month ago
@usenetposts The only time you have been inside a woman is the 9months when your mother was carrying your fat arse.
tel0j 1 month ago
@tel0j I was inside one while you were writing that.
usenetposts 1 month ago
@tel0j You don't pay road tax, there is no taxation in the United Kingdom for use of a public road. All roads are funded by general and local taxation which everyone pays regardless of their preference of transport.
Road Tax was abolished by Winston Churchill in 1937, please do some research before you come here making yourself look a complete tool.
smith34n 1 month ago
@smith34n Read my comment again about VED and producing no emissions. You tool.
tel0j 1 month ago
@tel0j are you still banging on about emissions with that dumb nonsensical example? why don't you think of something else to do or say? like paying silly amounts of money to get held up in traffic, i know that's one of your favourite pastimes. i'd be pissed off too if i was that dumb
0snakebite 1 month ago
@0snakebite LOL u still talking me? Develop cancer please.
tel0j 1 month ago
@tel0j stalking*
tel0j 1 month ago
@tel0j I didn't read it to begin with, I just found it amusing how you were straining your vagina over road tax which doesn't even exist.
smith34n 1 month ago
@smith34n This coming from a pussy cyclist who always wet their pants when a real man gets out of his car and threatens them with violence, you and your ilk remind me of chess playing toffee nosed idiots, with no common sense, and no hope in a fight. Bow before a real man.
tel0j 1 month ago
@tel0j You say I have no common sense yet you claim that a real man is one who threatens violence against another.
Just looked through your other comments on YouTube, several racist remarks, threats of murder and general hate. You really must have a shit life if you feel obligated to satisfy your need for self-importance on the internet.
You're probably not even old enough to drive a car.
smith34n 1 month ago
@smith34n I have a great life and am quite wealthy actually, I am just a nasty piece of work because i can be and i despise most other cunts, especially those who have opposite views as mine so are therefore wrong. I thanku for looking through my history, i must have really got to u, whereas i couldn't give a fuck if you dropped dead reading this. Actually that is a lie because i am kinda hoping you will.
tel0j 1 month ago
@tel0j You didn't get to me at all, I was found it amusing how you feel the need to hate others and that you lack the basic fundamentals of coversational skills.
The only thing you didn't comment on was the part where I stated you probably were not old enough to drive. As with most trolls, you lie about your real life. Sad really.
smith34n 1 month ago
@smith34n Well you keep replying ladyboy, i wish cancer upon you.
tel0j 1 month ago
one down, plenty more to go. War on cyclist has began.
rossthebest1 2 months ago
@circusboy90210 you are saying cyclist should pay for VED (road tax), VED is calculated on emissions a vehicle emits and therefore some cars don't even pay for it. you are saying cyclist should have VED and therefore the amount paid would be £0 (nothing) because cyclist emits nothing into the air.so you would to pay extra staff to issue and send a free VED cert to every cyclist for basically no reason. cost to cyclist nothing, cost to administor extra VED certs properly in the thousands.
terrygardener82 2 months ago
@terrygardener82 - Did that comment not enlighten you to the truth that climate taxes are really a tax on humans? (we're the ones exhaling the c02). 'Control your carbon FOOTPRINT'. Depopulation is coming.
GoVir4l 2 months ago
car = around 2 tons
bike + cyclist = 0.1 tons
cars cause ware and tare on the road plus they pollute....
psp10004 2 months ago
@psp10004 No cars = no roads, and I think you will find its wear and tear, check with your English teacher.
rainsburysb 2 months ago
@rainsburysb psp10004 is right, how much more damage does a bike do to the enviroment than a pedestrian? not so very much.. the road might get darker but that's really about it.
it's just 10 kilo's more for a 'normal' (replace this by 'slower' in countries where they think cycling in spandex is the way to go) bike..
and how much BHP does one cyclist has? 100 times less to tear up the asphalt amiright?
ptuku 1 month ago
@psp10004 "it's" not "its", "its" - possession.
For example: "Car sits on its wheels" and "It's your fault" meaning "It is your fault"
Lern 2 Engris
psp10004 2 months ago
1: There is no such thing as a Road Tax, please go to wikipedia and research Vehicle excise duty
2: Bicycles are vehicles under the 1968 Vienna Convention for Road Traffic Treaty to which the UK, USA and 150 more countries are signatories and are therefore only allowed on the street and not the sidewalk (you can't drive your car on the sidewalk either).
masterknaster 2 months ago
@masterknaster Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) (also commonly known as vehicle tax, car tax and road tax) is a vehicle road use tax levied as an excise duty which must be paid for most types of vehicle which are to be used (or parked) on the public roads in the United Kingdom.[1] yes there is a road tax. cars do not really damage roads trucks do.
circusboy90210 2 months ago
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Ever notice that cyclists who have helmet cams let accidents happen as well as the driver? Say the driver is making a left turn and your on the right side of the road. They turn and 90% of these helmet cams shows the bike still plowing in without braking a little.... That's why drivers hate you (I ride my bike to school sometimes) Always use the bikelane or sidewalk. A bike is not a road vehicle. You don't own the road.
JoeA320Pilot 2 months ago
@JoeA320Pilot This is filmed in England where bikes are not allowed on the sidewalk.
Bikes have as much right to use the road as any other motor vehicles.
As for cyclecams..... you have to be crazy if you think that a cyclist would put their lives in mortal danger just to make a video!
Cliffjumper24 2 months ago
Ignorant
SuperKrumpa 2 months ago
get on the footpath bender
dannyjacobs88 2 months ago
the vehicle was moving out......and then it hits you, strange....any how, there is no arguement with road tax, because there is no road tax....i think that all new road should have bike lane but much wider, after all pedestrians have pavements, and they don't pay pavement tax DO THEY
mj298167 2 months ago 4
Most cyclist have a car so pay road tax.
Its the best way to stay fit and not pay for petrol so not to fund illegal wars.
If you wanted every cyclist of the road then they would be driving cars and the country would be grid locked.
Why don't we all give up get fat and die young of obesity.
If they removed all the roads mountain bikes would enjoy the safety nature provide.
Cars need tarmac and baby sitting traffic lights.
Cycling gives you an adrenaline rush that makes you feel like a God.
dazado75 3 months ago
@dazado75 There is NO SUCH THING AS ROAD TAX!!!
masterknaster 2 months ago
@masterknaster Quite true, but it seems that 'Road Tax' is a reference people are familiar with (VED is a bit of a mouthful really) and unable to shake off.
I've left several comments on videos and I've found referng to it as Road Tax makes more sense to people.
Either way, VED is an emissions tax and nothing to do with the 'use' of the road.... I wish the ''You don't pay road tax' fools would get it through their heads!
Cliffjumper24 2 months ago
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Take a Hike :) or cycle, WE wont stop you!
martinar2 3 months ago
Dim would be a better assessment of his comments, more so than ignorant!
& cyclist dont want extra rights, they want the rights owed to them, [not by the Government but] respect from individuals like you who disregard their fundamental rights to go where they want in what is regarded as a free society!
Also you must be a hypocrite, seeing as how you were a courier!
I have the feeling you just like being argumentative& trying to obfuscate matters that you genuinely do not care for, this being one
martinar2 3 months ago
@martinar2 rights are not free, they must be payed for. cyclist pay nothing and should have no rights till they pay to use the road like everybody else(horse people need to start paying too)
circusboy90210 2 months ago
haha if you want a special lane then you should stay in it. that was awesome going down like that . cyclist want extra rights but they don't want to pay for them like motor vehicles do.
circusboy90210 3 months ago
@circusboy90210 Dunno how it works where you live, but the roads are paid for by Council Tax which everyone pays.
If you're refering to Rad Tax, this is an emissions tax, NOT a tax to USE the road.
As for rights, cyclist don't want extra rights, just for motorists to give them time and space.
Cliffjumper24 2 months ago
@Cliffjumper24 rad tax enables use of roads which means motor vehicles still pay more of their way in england .
in the us motor vehicles are the only source of income for roads, as it should be.
circusboy90210 2 months ago
@circusboy90210 Maybe if I say it loud enough you'll get the message.
ROAD TAX IS NOT FOR USING THE ROADS.
It might be that way in the US, but not in England.
Road Tax, or properly Vehicle Excise Duty is a tax on vehicle emissions.
Electric vehicles pay nothing
cars under 100grams per kilometre pay nothing
New cars under 300g per km pay nothing for the first year
Cars built before 1973 pay nothing
Disabled drivers pay nothing
Council Tax pays for the roads, everyone pays it!
Cliffjumper24 2 months ago
@Cliffjumper24 so according to your logic heavy or old cars and motor vehicles should have more rights than any of those other class of users because they pay an extra tax , based upon an illegitmate false non science.
circusboy90210 2 months ago
@circusboy90210 Okay.... one more time
ROAD TAX IS NOT FOR USING THE ROADS
The important word is USING.
It's not my logic, it's UK Law.
Type 'Vehicle Excise Duty' into wikipedia to see for yourself.
It is a tax on vehicles, not a tax for using the road.
Everyone has an equal right to use the road... paying taxes has nothing to do with it.
Please remember, this video is filmed in the UK, the way it works in the US is irrelevant.
Cliffjumper24 2 months ago
@Cliffjumper24 yes and vehicles roll on the road so yes certain vehicles do pay more to use the road than other vehicles. bicycles pay none so should have no special rights. we do it right in the us . however when I'm over for the olympics next summer why don't you explain it to me then? maye I'll lease a car and not pay any road taxes and see how it really works. much love.
circusboy90210 2 months ago
@circusboy90210 You still don't seem to understand... Council tax pays for the road repairs, and cyclists pay that (everyone does).
There is no link between using the road and paying VED.
In fact, its the other way around. A cyclist doesn't damage the road like a car does, yet they pay Council Tax.
So a cyclist that doesn't driver a car is actually 'subsidising' cars.
No escape for you I'm afraid.You'll still pay VED as a part of your hire agreement.
Cliffjumper24 2 months ago
@Cliffjumper24 Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) (also commonly known as vehicle tax, car tax and road tax) is a vehicle road use tax levied as an excise duty which must be paid for most types of vehicle which are to be used (or parked) on the public roads in the United Kingdom.[1] sure as rain there is a link between ved and using the road.
cars don't damage roads heavy trucks do the damage. no the cyclist is not subsidizing anything. motor vehicles pay the lions share, cycles pay nothing . much love
circusboy90210 2 months ago
@Cliffjumper24 road beds in european nations are 3 times deeper than here in the us. the initial cost is higher and paid for by road users , the amount council might spend on repairs is nothing. bring me some real numbers about repair cost and what ved pays into it.
I love to ride bikes and motorbikes,(have very good examples of both, one of which goes 203 mph) however cyclist do not pay their fair share, and cars don't really hurt the road either.
circusboy90210 2 months ago
@circusboy90210 What you're asking for doesn't exist. VED pays nothing to road repairs, which is what I've been trying to explain to you for days now.
VED goes to the Treasury along with Income Tax, Fuel Duty, Inheritance tax (etc), but in terms of actual money, it'd be impossible to say where it goes. NHS, Pensions, Military, transport... who knows.
VED raises 5.4bn, but 3.5bn is spent on roads.... but again, there's no link between VED and road repairs anyway.
Cliffjumper24 2 months ago
@circusboy90210 What are you talking about that cars don't hurt the road? Cars and weather in combination are the primary causes of potholes. Source: Michigan Department of Transportation, "What causes potholes?"
Bicycles, because of their minimal weight, simply can't do this kind of thing to a road. So why should bicyclists have to pay for roads they just aren't fucking up?
nerdpoke 2 months ago
@nerdpoke weak roadbeds first cause of potholes. secondly weather thirdly large trucks and weather. cars have a very small impact on the road compared to these other inputs. no cars really don't do that much damage as relatively speaking they don't weight that much. why should cycle have to pay?? because they are using it. trucks pay the majority of taxes, and are severly limited to the types of roads available to them.
circusboy90210 2 months ago
@circusboy90210 What are your sources of information? For all I know you could just be making these "facts" up (I don't mean this in an offensive way, but since I am not sure of their truth of untruth, I felt that I had to use quotation marks). And basically, someone expressing such radical thoughts can't be taken seriously without statistics and facts with cited sources to back up his/her argument. Happy holidays! :D
nerdpoke 2 months ago
@nerdpoke it's common sense where damage comes from. I dno't need to make up these facts they are their for you to see too. using your brain is a good source of information as well.
circusboy90210 2 months ago
What about cyclists who also have cars? In addition, do they really think that the road-tax is enough to pay for all of the road-networks' maintainance?
Sidowse 3 months ago
The problem is stupid car drivers. They should see where the cyclist has to go.
Sidowse 3 months ago
I love the statement about tax at the end, if you seriously believe that the billions paid by road users is not more than covering the cost of the roads you are seriously delusional. This particular accident was clearly the fault of then car, although I would say that you took up far too much road space. All push bike users should be made to wear helmets, have a road fund licence and insurance, oh and of course made to abide by the laws of the Highway Code. With rights come responsibilities!!!
AtheistMessiah1972 3 months ago
@AtheistMessiah1972 yes.
circusboy90210 3 months ago
@AtheistMessiah1972 Too much road space? Maybe you've not heard of 'The Door Zone' where a car could open a door in the path of a cyclists.
General taxation pays for the roads, primarily Council tax. A cyclist that doesn't also drive is effectively subsidising road repairs because a bike doesn't damage the road like a motor vehicle does.
As for road tax it is an EMISSIONS tax and nothing to do with the USE of the roads.
As for the Highway Code, most motorists ignore it!
Cliffjumper24 2 months ago
I'm a regular cyclist and motorist (oooh you traitor!) You're road position was wrong, too far out into the road too soon. This is but my opinion. It doesn't excuse hitting you though.
Many cyclists are worse road users than cars, usually not indicating when turning or changing lanes etc(legal requirement) but some car drivers are atrocious and should be taken off the roads too. Car drivers pay a fortune to use the roads through road tax, fuel tax, insurance tax and anything else is just spin.
Saxoncloset 3 months ago
Yeah, "cyclist need to pay road tax..." how did they work that one out? since electric cars "little Wizz" or hybrids like toyota prius dont pay road tax. And all off a sudden, "make ciclist pay road tax!" - all I can say is - wow, ppl behind this kinda remarks arent very bright and maybe they need to start cycling since they might be presenting danger on the road with QI like that.
redlinethin 3 months ago
hate this one sided argument people always have against cyclists. taxation on cars is accordance to their emisions they create. as bicycles do not produce any emissions they do not need to be taxed. these drivers need to "get of their high horse", get their fat arses onto a bike and see what its like being with cars. yes i admit some cyclists are sometimes in the wrong but to hate all cyclists for the actions of only a few is predudice. VIVE LE CYCLIST!!
chummy93 3 months ago
It's not even called road tax. It's car tax which doesn't get spent on the upkeep (or lack of) of our roads, that gets taken from other taxes such as council tax. If cyclists should pay a tax what about horses? Or pedestrians with push chairs? Or the fatties that speed around on their scooters?
dirtymonkey1985 3 months ago
Bicycles cause ZERO damage to sealed roads and paths. Asking them to pay road tax is like asking a pedestrian to pay road tax.
jalit 3 months ago
@jalit There is no taxation for use of a public road in the UK anyway. Upkeep of UK roads comes from general taxation, which we all pay through VAT and income deductions. Motorists pay no extra or special tax which gives them unique privilages to contribute more towards keeping the roads maintained.
Regardless if you never use the roads, you pay the same amount as any motorist or cyclist. So by the "road tax" logic, pedestrians do pay road tax.
smith34n 3 months ago
@smith34n, could you not argue that motorists pay a shed load of tax on petrol which cyclist dont (obviously!) and therefore contribute more!! Cyclists should at the very least be insured.... who pays for my broken wing mirrors that get smashed off on my road (no double/ single yellows, and is private so I am entited to park on road!)
lmcalla 3 months ago
@lmcalla
Ya , because everybody knows its true that cyclists go around with a point system when it comes to hitting wing mirrors! Are you actually serious??? And the Gov would pay you for a broken wing mirror because you said those magic words "blame the cyclists" , Get out of town, literally!!
martinar2 3 months ago
@martinar2 the money I pay via insurance to the insurance companies would pay for it!! Thats what our premiums cover!!! Accidents. If a cyclist was to try and 'filter' and clip my wing mirror and break it off..... why am I then out of pocket as they are too impatient to wait until they can FIT past the cars... by the way cycle lanes arent always separate to the roads where I live, they are merely different color to the main lanes!!
lmcalla 3 months ago
@lmcalla
You said that the Gov should pay, not the insurance! Probably wouldn't be worth raising your premium over a side mirror! I dont deny that the "breakers" should be accountable, but this started as general disrespect towards cyclists, I admit that you'll find yobs in all aspects of life! Filtering by a reasonable, capable cyclist is fine! Drivers tend to be very unreasonable and disregard others because of their subjective view! I never saw a bike running over a car!
martinar2 3 months ago
@martinar2 filtering is fab- if you dont get some moron trying to squeeze through a ridiculous small gap!! PS that was a quick response lol. I didnt mean to show disrespect to cyclists, but this arguement gets pathetic very quickly. Both lots of road users have a bad bunch.... cyclists on the road, and then hop on the pavement when a traffic light changes red, no lights, lack of signalling, last 2 of which are dangerous, and car drivers are equally poor. Good cyclists seem to be minority here!
lmcalla 3 months ago
@lmcalla and when i say here, i mean where i live. Have a merry christmas! I'm off xx
lmcalla 3 months ago
@lmcalla Instant mail :D
I'll admit to doing all those things and more :), except jumping kerbs and bad signalling! Ireland is a little more lax and may have more road space, but if someone was acting the *** he/she would be told off , pronto! as I said its all subjective opinions on this matter!
I find that if you cycle as fast as the speed limit in towns etc how could anybody tell you off!
London does look scary on a bike do!
Drive safe and enjoy christmas!
martinar2 3 months ago
@martinar2
and yes I know your not from London ;)
martinar2 3 months ago
@lmcalla So, by that logic as a frequent rail user I should have prority booking seats? Of course not, the tax you pay through sales of oil is general taxation which goes to the treasury, you could use any retail item frequently purchased and use that to argue your right of the road. Just because it relates to cars in this matter doesn't give you unique privilages on the road.
For your information, around 60% of London's regular cycle commuters have insurance.
smith34n 3 months ago
@smith34n Thats fab..... if you live in London... but seeing as there are more places to our country than just the capital that aint a great lot of help to the rest of us!
An I do believe I said 'couldnt you argue' it was a hypothetical question. I have a great deal of respect for those who have the time to cycle, not to mention the balls of steel they have!! If the roads we have were better equipped to deal with cyclists and car users, this argument wouldnt have to happen!
lmcalla 3 months ago
@circusboy90210 Cyclists should not pay road tax. period. Cycling is sustainable, cars are not. why would you tax something that is sustainable for our cities? If anything, we should pay people to cycle on roads and leave their car at home
cameron0434 3 months ago
@cameron0434 cars are sustainable too. your definition of sustainablity ignores abiotic oil. cars save time which is the most valuable commodity that can never be replaced.
circusboy90210 3 months ago
@10lx that was not a bicycle as we know it today that was closer to the hobby horse. the bicycle as we know it with chain and sprocket was almost 90 years later. the car will never end with the advent of alterantive fuels. the science you've been taught is faulty, there is nothing to back it up and the peer review process has been compromised. bicycles are nice but they just don't work time or space wise for a real persons lifestyle like getting grocerys, taking the kids to school etc.
circusboy90210 3 months ago