Ejected!

[heyharit]

Hitting a ball 400 feet is probably about the same difficulty as a 40 foot 3 pointer.

[chingchongdinggdongg]

naggers



[spencerhughes92]

Assuming the description is correct, what could the assistant coach possibly want to argue? An umpire NEVER has to call time when a player requests it. If a player asks for time, it is his responsibility to ensure that the umpire grants it before assuming that time has been called. Sounds like a lazy player made an assumption and had to pay for it.

[XAVIXguy]

what state is this in?

[TPM75108]

@XAVIXguy South Carolina

[3soccerstars]

Baseball- the sport for future bowlers...

[Wordshavemeanings]

@3soccerstars @3soccerstars The hardest sport is baseball according to USA Today, Sports Science, and Globe Democrat. To hit a baseball 400 Ft., that weighs 5 1/8 ounces, is much harder than simply throwing a ball through a hoop (Basketball is fun though). Not to mention that if you're going to hit a homerun you're probably going to hit it off the sweet spot (which has an area of 4 inches. I know most narrow-minded cynical fucked-sideways bastards like yourself just prefer to be ignorant. :p

[ikasnob]

I tawld you!

[umpire20]

Assistant coach should NEVER argue calls. Note to self never wear silver silky shirt.

[dvdvikp]

60,000 people watched a mostly inaudible argument.

absolutely smashing.

[TPM75108]

@dvdvikp Well that is 99.9% of the ejection videos on youtube.

[3soccerstars]

Who fucking cares? It's baseball.

[TPM75108]

@3soccerstars Apparently you do for some reason. If you don't like baseball I don't know what the hell you're doing watching this go watch a sport you actually like instead.

[3soccerstars]

@TPM75108

Baseball is for fat rednecks.

Play a real sport where people actually run- or one where the defense is not constantly WITH THE BALL.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[TPM75108]

@3soccerstars I am a former soccer player, played in High School and I get into many more sports.

Still if you don't like baseball don't watch videos about it.

[3soccerstars]

@TPM75108

I will continue to watch as many baseball videos as I please- to reconfirm my beliefs.

Baseball is for lazy American fucks.

Rooney makes how much?

When Man U plays Man C- total salary on the field? Over 800 million American $.

Yankees v Sox? About 380 million on a good day.

Just run and stop killing brown people for oil.

[TPM75108]

@3soccerstars Well if you insist go ahead then but be warned you're only making yourself look like an idiot by watching baseball videos only to bitch about how it sucks.

Furthermore racist comments will only make you more enemies. Calling Americans lazy fucks can be considered racist just as much.

Nobody in this video references to killing people for oil nor does it have anything to do with the sport. If you really hate it here then get the hell out the country instead of bitching about it.

[3soccerstars]

@TPM75108

Racist?

Wow. I will stay in my beloved country and bitch about whatever the fuck I want to bitch about.

Problem pal? Fuck off.

[TPM75108]

@3soccerstars You refer to us as "lazy American fucks," Sounds pretty anti-American and makes me think you hate America. I won't fuck off because its my video. You can run your mouth all day if you want and I never said you HAD to STFU. However, if you have the right to run your mouth so does everybody else. I'm warning you you're making yourself look like a big childish and racist fool. I didn't say you HAD to leave the country ether just suggested it seeing as it sounds like you hate it here.

[3soccerstars]

@TPM75108

Don't warn me for shit.

Loving this country gives me the right to call out morons like yourself.

Lack of self-control at a baseball game is the height of idiocy. You are proving my point.

[TPM75108]

@3soccerstars Well if you think you're accomplishing something then congratulations. But we'll just see how everybody else views your little childish outburst.

You say self-control huh? Well someone running around viewing stuff they don't like and picking pointless fights has no self control.

You're proving my point! Have fun when other people see your post and start grilling you.

[3soccerstars]

@TPM75108

Remember the old phrase regarding "sticks and stones"?

I can say and do what I want- but i will not lose control at my kids ball game. That same game that has zero impact on the world and society.

I coach/ ump/ ref and am paid for it at high levels (national).

Seeing retards act out proves my point. Do your training at practice- and quit narding it up at a game because of ineptness.

[TPM75108]

@3soccerstars All I did was record it, I'm primarily a sports photographer but also an occasional Videographer. I'm not the one laughing or screaming at the umpire and I don't encourage any behavior of that nature including fighting at any sports. Though I will admit all sports have had some conflicts that turned funny at times. Part of what I do is catching the good as well as the bad. I post stuff as I see it happen. Think this is retarded check out some soccer riot videos that is retarded.

[gleem11]

@3soccerstars Hey I gotta ask you something. Umm... why are you that much of a stupid fuckhead to insult people who play baseball? Get a life dude... stop wasting your time, because nobody wants to hear stupid lazy fat fuckheads like you.

[gleem11]

@3soccerstars Hey asshole. You obviously dont play any fuckin sports because nobody that does would go on the internet and comment on a baseball video when you're not even a fan of baseball. You obviously sit on YOUR fat ass doing nothing with your life if you feel the need to trash talk the sport of baseball, especially when you dont know anything about it. So do yourself a favor and get a hobby that doesnt involve people wasting their time listening to your bullshit. Loser.

[3soccerstars]

@gleem11

Fuck you- I've been to more baseball playoffs and World Series' games than you ever will.

I played real sports- football, soccer, bball.

I regularly taunt Yankee, Met, Cub, and Sox 300 lb Jabbas.

A little sensetive cause you're losing field space to true athletes?

[hdci123]

@3soccerstars Your a dick. Period. Don't waste your time replying...

[curveballmick]

@3soccerstars umm football and basketball arn't real sports.. and at time niether is soccer what makes baseball great is no time limit.. u can't fuck over a team like u can in other sports and be pussies about it. can't run out a clock.. football u wear pads.. it isn't a real sport lacros and rugby i could give u even tho i don't watch those either.. don't be stupid

[3soccerstars]

@gleem11

Wrong again redneck.

[MikeBA10]

Ump: "Them god damn son of a bitch right der."

[Iowaracefan]

Whether people like it or not, it is the umpire's field from the time the game starts until it finishes. What they say goes and if coaches, players, or fans don't like his calls, nothing they can do about it.

[LAAngels2009]

lay of de pizza fatass ump. only reason fat people are umps cuz theyll have heart attacks if they dont. fatass ump get a life and do something active u coach potato old lazy shit u must be shitin ur undys or wait u odnt have undys

[TexazRidaz]

ampire looks like mr potato head... im gona go watch toystory now ill be back.

[TPM75108]

@TexazRidaz He really does ha ha I never noticed that.

[deerforest]

Mr. Umpire - you are way too animated, talking too loudly, moving around back and forth over the field and uncontrolled which equals unprofessionalism, even for an amateur (non-pro) official. You need to learn proper handling of situations. First, deal only with the head coach. Assuming this is the base coach at first simply respond that you'll be happy to speak with the head coach about it... done, play on. Reserve your movements. Don't be gruff. Seek more training.

[stefanieanne1997]

It's cause I'm black isn't it!

[blazersfan25]

The umpires are doing the best they can and just trying to make $30! Coaches need to realize that.

[Baseball5030]

@blazersfan25 lol, i'm right there with you. I'm not going to call interference on a 7 year old, just stay in the dugout.

[M40A3xCoLoRxX]

he looks like my old rec ball coach.

[spooff4life]

He hatewatts...check your rule books there are 3 different rulings for each. Federation, ncaa and pro. So you can't just say it's a balk...

[figtree1234]

@MattyClemz lol wtf?

[Furax02]

As chuckfan points out, it's not an automatic balk under several rule systems. However, at the start of the video, the pitcher appears to be on the mound at the top of the mound and easily within 5 feet of the rubber. If he does not have the ball in this situation, it's a balk under FED rules. Regardless of whether the runner called for time or not, it's an automatic dead ball at the time of infraction. We can't see the start of the play, but it seems pretty close to a balk situation.

[Furax02]

There are a number of other things wrong with the whole mechanics of the situation, including the umpire's handling of it. The base coach should have been tossed far earlier than 1:08, IMHO. With two coaches involved, the PU should have been up there separating the 2 on 1 scenario and dealing with the coach who couldn't shut up. Likewise, the BU doesn't need to point at the coach because that's antagonistic - and somewhat baiting. Indicate the conversation is over and if it continues...gone.

[TPM75108]

@Furax02 That's exactly how I see the situation.

[spooff4life]

@Furax02 It must have been amateur hour..

[Brammy007a]

>>>>The hidden ball trick is in fact a balk. As soon as the pitcher makes contact with the mound it's a dead ball and balk.

If by "mound" you mean "rubber" or "Pitcher's plate" then you are correct. Just walking onto the mound without the ball is not a balk.

[lpncubs3]

ump has a hillbilly accent lol

[Kntckyfn11]

bad officiating............just another "rabbit eared" umpire

[hehatewatts]

I officiate high school and college baseball, and The hidden ball trick is in fact a balk. As soon as the pitcher makes contact with the mound it's a dead ball and balk.

[TPM75108]

@hehatewatts There was no balk on this play, if you listen to the argument it's about the runner apparently calling time out before getting tagged and in fact the runner was off base when time out was called. The pitcher was not on the mound when the tag was applied.

[Igotgame911]

well actually it is legal because it has to be the rubber not the mound the rubber.

[asp1007]

@Igotgame911 You can't make contact with the mound. This is in the rulebook as far as a Baseball Canada approved ruling is concerned and I'm quite certain that it is also under the official rules of baseball.

[chuckfan1]

Wrong... In pro rules its on or astride the rubber. In College its being on the mound. And in HS (this situation) be within 5 feet of the rubber. Its one of the few rules different in all 3 rule sets. So its possible, in HS, for the pitcher to be on the dirt, at the bottom of the mound and still be ok.

[chuckfan1]

Somewhat correct. In the Pros you cant be on or astride the rubber without the ball. In College, you cant be on the mound without the ball. And in HS, you cant be within 5 feet of the rubber. So in HS, its possible the pitcher can be on the dirt, at the bottom of the mound and still be ok. Which is most likely what occurred in this play.

[username672]

@hehatewatts the hidden ball trick is when the pitcher does not make contact with the rubber (you can step all over the mound and your considered a fielder, but only when you step on the rubber are you considered a pitcher and can be called for a balk). so for the hidden ball trick, the pitcher never steps on the rubber and the runner hopefully moves off the bag before he steps on the rubber. that's why it's not a abalk, the pitcher never steps on the tubber during everything that happens

[chuckfan1]

Partially correct. This rule is different in all 3 rule sets. In the Pros, you cant be on or astride the rubber. In College, you cant be on the mound. In HS you cant be within 5 feet of the rubber. So, its possible the pitcher can be on the dirt, at the bottom of the mound, and still be ok. Which is what most likely happened here.

[chuckfan1]

And if you officiate HS and college baseball you know that in college its when you are on the mound, and within 5 feet of the rubber in HS...So, theoretically, the pitcher could have both feet on the dirt, at the bottom of the mound and be ok.. Which sounds like what happened here. The hidden ball trick is not a balk automatically.

[madmonkey995]

good old time family racism at its best. The southern white guy ousts the black coach who said that he was done talking

[hidemysocks]

haha ur racist for calling that racist.. the southern white guy was being a dick though

[bestthinggoing459]

Um...last time I checked a runner can't call "Time" when he's off the bag...

[TPM75108]

That's true and that's why the umpire was getting annoyed with the argument.

But he actually ejected the coach when he went to explain it to his player instead of ejecting the coach for the argument. Which is a move I disagreed with because the coach wasn't arguing at the time the umpire decided to give him the thumb.

[critter2]

just cause a runner calls time he is not granted it

[TPM75108]

Yup that to

[critter2]

coach was trying to pull fast one but you know umpire can only grant time. and if the ball is alive well its very much unlikely they do it. Some do some don't

[chuckfan1]

Ummm, a runner can call time if hes off the bag. But all action must be relaxed. Nothing can be going on. If so, and the runner calls time while off the bag, it can be granted..

[Pizzadelivery15]

i didnt even see when the umpire threw him out

[TPM75108]

Try 0:48

As I said in the description the video is actually two separate clips combined. I thought the argument was over with nobody being ejected but then all the sudden the coach said something to his player on the bench which ticked the umpire off and he yelled "you're gone" then after that I started recording again and that's when he started yelling "get in the dug out now." He was ejected because one of the players took over as first base coach. He didn't have to leave the field.

[DevBProductions]

if the pitcher attempted a pick off throw when he was on the rubber and he didn't have the ball, its a balk

[TPM75108]

I know it's hard to hear all the audio but there is no mention of a balk between the umpire and the coach.

They are arguing that the runner called time out prior to being tagged out.

[im23412313]

Since when does a runner call time when he's off the bag?

Seems to me like they were just upset because they were duped.

[TPM75108]

Yea basically that's what it is.

The runner apparently thought the umpire would just give him the time out so he stepped off but I guess he didn't realize that unless he grants it then the game is still going and he's SOL.

[obaumpire42]

I completely agree. The runner tried to call time in hope that he might possibly not be out, and the umpire did not grant time because there was a possible play in action. To quote for the umpire's manual "The player's/coaches ask for time... the umpire grants time."

[TPM75108]

That's exactly what the case is here.

[softballfr3ak07]

omg its time out DEAL WITH IT

[MageMasher007]

Players and coaches REQUEST time, they do not call it. Umpires do. So I guess that does make them. S.O.L.

[TPM75108]

Exactly and that's what this argument was about the player seemed to think the umpire had to honor his time out.

[doolok]

maybe it would help to see the play they're arguin about.

[TPM75108]

I was actually working a photographer here so I wasn't videoing when the play happened.

I have clear memory from when I talked to the players who made the play the day after.

A balk wasn't even mentioned in the argument only "time out" the player apparently thought the umpire had to grant the timeout or had granted the time out.

[dpringles]

if the pitcher was on the mound when this was done then it is considerd a balk so just make that arguemnet

[TPM75108]

Well there was no balk here and this argument wasn't even about a balk.

[TPM75108]

Sorry I accidentally deleted this one from jdryer84...

#1: Calling time to get up is an irritating practice. Unless you're hurt, have dirt in your eyes, or have an infielder that insists on holding the glove on you all day, just walk yourself up. #2: This umpire needs to either pull the trigger or let the coach go. Arguing and scolding only makes it worse. In the end, it looks like he confined the coach to the dugout, which is a wussy way of avoiding an ejection.

[ThirdTerm]

But isn't it the players and coaches responsibility to hear and be aware if a time out has been granted? If they don't hear the ump yell "TIME!", arent they S.O.L?

[TPM75108]

That is very true but I believe the umpire should have ejected him during the initial argument instead of ejecting him while he was talking to his player about what happened.

Criticism on this kind of runs on both sides here.

As for the call I can say it wasn't a bad call I just believe that the umpire should have ejected him when he was arguing rather than when he was talking to his player because the argument was actually over by that point.

[crimetoad]

Yes indeed...and the Ump doesnt have to issue a time out either, if one is called.

[someoneinca]

It should have been a balk if the pitcher attempted a pick off move without the ball from the mound

[TPM75108]

The pitcher didn't do anything illegal, here I remember that well.

The argument isn't about the pitcher it's about a time out the umpire didn't honor. The coach was arguing that the runner though the ump honored the time out or something like that.

If you listen to the video you'll hear he mentioned nothing about the pitcher.

[ChicagoWhiteSoxFan]

it's a balk if the pitcher put his back foot on the rubber without having the ball

[TPM75108]

Well I remember pretty well that that didn't happen.

Apparently the runner requested a time out but the umpire didn't honor it, so he took his lead and on the pick off throw he didn't pay attention to weather or not the ball had been returned to the pitcher. The first baseman takes advantage and when he steps off the bag the first baseman tagged him out.

Really the first baseman had a bigger role in this play than the pitcher. I believe it's also called the hidden ball trick.

[asp1007]

It's a balk if the pitcher 'Stands upon or astride the rubber'

I believe that with baseball canda rule it a balk if the pitcher even steps onto the mound.

[ChicagoWhiteSoxFan]

oh so if he has his foot behind the rubber, that deciphers as "stands upon" ?

[asp1007]

Yes I believe so. It might just be with Baseball canada but the ruling states that it is a balk when a pitcher stands 'On or Astride' The rubber without the ball. This ruling is applied in that the pitcher is not able to step onto the mound without the ball, otherwise it's a balk.

[privatepilotmax]

@asp1007 This is not just a Baseball Canada ruling but a Official Baseball Rules ruling. You cannot be on the mound without the ball with some exceptions but generally that is the rule. As to why the umpire ejected the coach is unknown to me, but from the clips that I had seen it could have been justified either way.

[redverter]

Not true at all. A pitcher, in pro rules, can be on the mound without the ball. Just not on or astrise the rubber.

[molgore0]

if the pitcher is on the mound, the hidden ball trick cannot be accepted as a play

[wsohl]

The TO request is irrelevant because a play is imminet so time cannot be granted. Besides, I'd never grant time to a player if he is off the bag.

[TPM75108]

Yea now that makes sense.

[oldaardvark]

Maybe up until he made a call.

[oldaardvark]

I think I would have been thrown out of every game that guy umpired. :)

[TPM75108]

You don't think you could get along with him?

[big3killedmybaby]

Was Michael J. Fox holding the camera????

[TPM75108]

No I was but I have trimmers in my hands so they are not steady.

[chaz1177]

Regardless of the call, the first base coach should stop crying and acting like a little mumbling bitch. The call was made and his manager is handling it. If he wants to be the one to argue it, then become head coach. Otherwise, stay at first like the "do-as-your-told" bitch he is and let the manager handle it. Want to cry like a bitch, play men's softball.

[kmcnelly]

IR wouldn't apply here. It doesn't matter if the player requested time, it's up to the ump to call it. If he hasn't called it time is still "in". Also, if the coach is talking to the player right in front of the ump, it could be construed as passive agressive, meaning he's trying to argue with the ump w/o actually talking to him.

[TPM75108]

He was actually talking to the player in the dugout.

But that does seem clever if he was trying to argue with the ump indirectly. From what I remember he was telling the player everything you mentioned about calling timeout. I believe here he was trying to correct his player but like I said I didn't catch whatever he said in the dugout that got him ejected. Because after the first bout I didn't think it was going to break out again I thought it was over.

[kmcnelly]

The other thing is, if you notice, how many times does this coach say, "Bad call"? Even after the ump says he doesn't want to hear anymore, he continues to say, "All I said was bad call, I can say bad call." He's not going to get ANY benifit of the doubt in this situation.

[TPM75108]

That's why I thought he would have been ejected for the first bout.

[chemikal201983]

To clarify what happened here. The umpire seemed to disallow a time call. A umpire does NOT have to grant a requested timeout. If the umpire thinks the time is a tactic to slow the game down he can disallow it.

Any coach/player should know that rule. Its basic baseball.

[TPM75108]

That's what the coach was telling his player just before he was ejected after arguing.

The coach argued and he wasn't ejected for the initial argument but once he went to talk to his player about what he did wrong then the umpire ejected him.

[birdblizzle]

I agree, one of the ground rules. I was clearly informed as a player.

[critter2]

TPM75108 - well in that its illegal. but since the umpires didnt here or notice that there problem.

Have you notice how long it takes umpires to ask there parnters for help in mlb? plenty of years.

[TPM75108]

I think there should be an instant replay challenge a manager or coach in baseball could use similar to football except the team that looses the challenge losses an out.

If they are on defense and they loose a challenge they the opposing team gains an out.

[critter2]

TPM-I dont like the idea of IR I mean is going to be awhile beafore college and high school

do tihs. they were talking about doing the way college football does it. Have someone in office per say another umpire. and look at it that way.

That said if mlb dosent want to spend the money might as well try 6 umpires in the field instead. 2 in outfeild 4 in infeild.

[TPM75108]

lol that would provide more jobs

[critter2]

Of course it would ^.^

[umpire1991v2]

dude baseball is long enough as it is. Doing instant replays would make the games even longer. Thats why it has not been done already.

[chuckfan1]

Umpires have always gotten 99% of their calls right. Before and after of the "getting together". Its just been in the past few years where the emphasis has switched from "live and die with your call" to "getting the call right". Now, coaches want you to "get some help" on everything. Example: throw to 1st, pulls F3 off the bag, who attempts a swipe tag. I CLEARLY see no tag. Coach wants me to "get help". I say .."Skip, Im sure of what I saw, if there was any doubt, Id get help, but I got that"

[seanmadden9]

UMPIRES HAVE ALWAYS GOTTEN 99% OF THEIR CALLS RIGHT?

wow that is the biggest load I have ever heard...most umpires have too much pride to admit they may have been wrong, and ask for help.

[chaz1177]

The statement holds true. Umpires make hundreds of calls a year. Out of all of those, they are right most of the time. Have you ever truly umped to know if it is too much pride or if it is to keep people from questioning every call the ump makes. Some calls can't be asked for help on: Judgment calls such as a close play at first base. Can't ask the home plate umpire for help. Otherwise, why is there a base ump at all? And, to say most umpires, you don't even know a tenth of the world's umpires.

[wwwTFwww]

bang on man... you nailed it... and like we (as umpiers) call fair, foul, ball, stircks, outs, safes, ejctions, are all JUDGEMENTS and NOT RULES... there is the guild lines... but is not a rule...but nothing is what is in the rule book...

[wwwTFwww]

is not that we have pride...it th we fact that if we let you ...change are opion/calls...then theres no umpiering its just what ever time has the better talker... so that why if we make a call and we are wrong...we won;t chage it... now if u ask them after the game why the did what they did you might find that there honest and say... i didn't get a good view... didn't quite see it... stuff like that... bc we are HUMAN

[critter2]

oops i was thinking of another vide lol.

[critter2]

"bad call bad call" Oh the coach needs to shutup. He dosent need to like the call.

But he cant say that as he wasnt even near the bag at the time =\

[TPM75108]

What I didn't mention in the description and need to edit in is.

When the first baseman caught the pickoff attempt the runner got back was safe then apparently he called timeout but the umpire didn't hear it. The first baseman acted like he returned the ball to the pitcher, but he didn't so he played the hidden ball trick and the runner didn't know he had the ball so he stepped off the bag then got tagged out.

Thanks for reminding me I need to edit this description.

[critter2]

in till the umpire gives the time out singal you dont get it.

He show hte umpire where he went wrong so thats why he got ejected.

[TPM75108]

Yup and apparently that's where the player messed up. But I still don't get why he ejected the coach for talking to his player in the dugout and not for the initial argument.

All I believe I heard on the bench was him telling his player the ump has to honor give him a requested timeout.

So really the coach wasn't arguing at the time he was ejected.

[TPM75108]

The thing I really don't get is why was he ejected for talking to his player and not for the initial argument.

[critter2]

Tmp= you likey could of miss something who knows?

[JustinLA12]

Can i get some fajita fries with that call ump?

[CrouchingFork]

Alright, we've heard you two times already!

[mattboe50]

thats me up to bat

[mattboe50]

yo thats me up to bat