Arri Alexa vs Red One

[hoarp001]

I got an alexa right next to me now, it's a fantastic camera miles ahead of red. The alexa is a camera so obviously designed by an experienced film camera company. The red one and now the epic are very obviously made by a new company that has never made a camera before. Alexa is miles ahead, I love it.

[rinceresource]

i think the arri looks more natual in the corrected version.

[marconciomarconcio]

You Italians would sort out a fucking soap opera even out of an alexa

[elitestar]

the lighting looks terrible. Did you hire some kid fresh out of film school to plan the shots?

[BrunoVillela]

Could u match hue plz?

[raredreamfootage]

Alexa all the way, looks more like film

[meinuinme]

The uncorrected footage is shot with Flat Profile. That's why it is so bland.

[famousPhotog]

Unfortunately, RED seems to be a company that thrives on vaporware marketing schemes to such an extent, that it does cause concern. Arri has the resources and expertise to stand behind their products, and in the business world this is worth a lot.

[Chopsta123]

@famousPhotog *facepalm* Red is vapourware? have you seen how many movies have been shot on RedOne and future movies to be shot on Epic? Does it count for anything that Peter Jackson bought 30 Epic cameras for two huge-budget movies? I guess not...

[famousPhotog]

@Chopsta123 Well, you have a higher tolerance for "Ted from Red" and the endless hype than I do. Where is Scarlet......... after how many years? How many months and years was Epic hyped? Companies that market like this get on my nerves. If my career depends on reliable equipment and service, I would rather go with Panavision or Arri, over Red, but to each their own.

[Chopsta123]

@famousPhotog that doesnt justify calling it vapourware. You make them look like they have no usable camera out in the wild when you know its not the case. Epic took so long because they had to make absolutely sure that it works like a charm. Remember they had to learn everything from scratch. Also, where have you read that their cameras are less reliable than their competitors?

[jcarrig]

i've never seen uncorrected footage look so terrible, did you guys 'correct' the uncorrected footage to be even worse?

[Abdul0ne]

@jcarrig in digital cinema extreme flat footage assure the largest possible dynamic range and post production possibilities

[xavlexav]

Red is great

Alexa is better

But nothing beats a Panavision or an Arri 435

[dafreeesubsman]

@xavlexav I don't remember the ALEXA being able to shoot 4k...

[QuantumEra]

@xavlexav Lol are you stupid? You must not know of cameras to be talking about them like that.

[faithless8888]

a 35 or 70mm camera from Panavision beats the shit out of those digital camera's!

[BIasphemer]

@faithless8888 oh wow, really?

[faithless8888]

@BIasphemer aha offcourse :-)

[Skullbug]

I'm a commercial/promo key grip, and I'll admit that I'm no expert in file latitude and resolution, not my department. What I can say, after working quite a bit with both cameras, is that the Red has problems all the time. Everything from the drive falling off, overheating, and an assortment of problems that require it to be shut down and restarted constantly. And this is with a variety of reds, and a number of camera departments. I have never seen an Alexa have any problem on set, not once.

[Requiemes]

@Skullbug Well the Alexa also costs a lot more right? I didn't know about all this problems with the Red, hope they'll fix them in the future.

[mdocday21]

Ya why are the raws so dark and gray? The room scene could have been better with a little better/creative lighting I would imagine

[kamalterro1]

Guys lets talk budget , I think RED is amazing 

[lonniegallam]

For all the idiots, you not judge color in this test, nor contrast. Both cameras can be color corrected in million ways. The only thing that matters is the latitude of raw file. Which it does not show in this bogus test.

[wwwShadow7]

Why did the color correcting for the Arri come out "darker" than the red. Seems a bit biased / intentional to me. Like stretch contrast gone wild. Or it could just be the 5+yo LCD on my laptop...

[YSG200]

I like the Arri more than the RED

[akanathan]

of course red and arri are different cameras for different uses.

give me an arri please.

[akanathan]

Alexa is classy

[jompiii]

the red looks like shit compared to alexia in this test.

[makilex]

Wonderful cameras. In my opinion, from this particular shoot, the Alexa color corrected footage looks better, more natural tones.

[ronineditor]

First of all, thanks for doing this comparison. I have to ask... the 'pre-color correction' video... why is it so flat and gray, like the gamma is cranked. I've used RED on shoots (and am curious about the Alexa from how good it looks in other examples) but is this video intentionally 'raw'...? Both RED and Alexa files look terrible in this.

[Alvinwhatup2]

Why does the original footage of each have such a heavy grey look?

[hogwashsentinel]

@Alvinwhatup2 @Alvinwhatup2 Because that's how you want to shoot when shooting digital cinema to preserve as much detail in the shadows and highlights. Then you color correct. It gives you more freedom than fiddling with the camera's color saturation and contrast settings. Here's a great tutorial: watch?v=2xTZtgApuDI#t=0m26s

[Alvinwhatup2]

@hogwashsentinel I applied a grey solid to a video clip i shot with my T2i turned down the opacity of the solid to 55%, rendered it out. Then I placed the rendered clip back into final cut, graded it, and I must say, it looks quite a bit better than grading the clips by themselves, thank you for tip! :)

[KahL1One]

@Alvinwhatup2

Seriously? Did this actually work?

[Alvinwhatup2]

@KahL1One I thought so, It appeared to be much more cinematic, and preserved detail.

[KahL1One]

@Alvinwhatup2

Alright, so I always grade in PPROCS5 natively. What would your workflow be for this, step by step?

If I added a grey matte onto another layer on the timeline, what exactly would I grade. The video underneath, or the gray matte itself?

[Alvinwhatup2]

@Alvinwhatup2 P.S. PPROCS5 i assume has something similar to the 3 Way Color Corrector that final cut has.

[witblitsfilm]

Additionally, comparing flat before and graded after shots are absolutely meaningless... even the graded images are meaningless....

The best test would be to shoot a selection of scenes with film, red and arri and then see which of the 2 digital formats could get the closest final grade to the best film grade. I can tell you now who would win, and it ain't Arri.

Arri is a stillborn 2K dinosaur in a fast-emerging 4K world that RED has already mastered.

1080P as a format will be dead soon...

[witblitsfilm]

Hhhmmmm.... don't quite see how the 2 compare.... the RED One shoots 4480 X1920 in true widescreen..... with debayer that's a true 3.8K image whilst the Arri output is limited to 2K.

Price.... huge difference... RED leads hands down.

Moire issues on a RED? C'mon.... Not in my experience.... You can't judge this from a youtube video...

Ask yourself why major productions like Book of Eli, Pirates of the Caribbean and The Hobbit are choosing RED over film AND Alexa AND Panavision Genesis?

[SeanOcomesForYou]

@witblitsfilm

Hobbit has done camera Test with RED and ALEXA. Undecided as of now.

And the RED has a 4k scensor but does not capture in 4k.

ALSO why Alexa is better then red is because Alexa can shoot in Logc which gives you 16 stops of latitude. Red has what? 6!

Work flow is better on Alexa and much faster. Less menus so its faster to work with...

AND FOR ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HATE WAITING FOR RED TO START UP! Alexa takes 26 seconds.... not 90. it is just better in every way.

[SeanOcomesForYou]

@witblitsfilm

Hobbit has done camera Test with RED and ALEXA. Undecided as of now.

And the RED has a 4k scensor but does not capture in 4k.

ALSO why Alexa is better then red is because Alexa can shoot in Logc which gives you 16 stops of latitude. Red has what? 6!

Work flow is better on Alexa and much faster. Less menus so its faster to work with...

AND FOR ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HATE WAITING FOR RED TO START UP! Alexa takes 26 seconds.... not 90. it is just better in every way.

[BoilMyKettle]

@SeanOcomesForYou Just had a play with Red Epic today, start up time is 7 seconds. And it now has a HDR mode meaning it will have a lot more latitude than the Red One (I don't think I need to mention that Red MX has more than 6 stops of latitude anyway). And the Hobbit has decided on 30 Red Epic's to shoot on. I think both Alexa and Red Epic have their advantages and disadvantages, very nice cameras.

[SeanOcomesForYou]

@BoilMyKettle

Your right they all have their pros an cons.

[inaitvad]

But, is that the mysterium X sensor? if not, thats really not fair, haha...

[pangrac1]

Comparing quality of picture from YouTube compression artifacts... LOL

[MickeyGaidos]

Tackle, you can see moire issues with the Alexa aswell in the 2nd Wide shot. Of course it's hard to tell what's the camera and what's YouTube compression though

[JamesV220820]

even though alexa is more then twice the price, its twice the camera

[bokassa7]

con tutte le cautele possibili visto che comunque stiamo vedendo un test su youtube comunque sembrerebbe che non ci sia storia ... a favore di arri naturalmente.

[Tackleqb]

Alexa is much better, you can see moire issues with the red at 0:31...but i think thats a given considering alexa is going to be like 20 more grand

[alanbstard4]

@Tackleqb Arri lowest price $64,000 Australian dollars. I have no idea what you get for that