I'm not only Republican, I'm rabidly conservative.
I also happen to be an atheist.
I won't vote for or against somebody based on their religion(or lack thereof) That's bigotry, and I'm above that.
I don't mind that the GOP is "Christian-based" because, quite frankly, our laws and our country are Christian based, and even though I think that Christian theological views are hogwash, their moral and ethical codes are quite good, and you can believe in those and not believe in God.
A better question is why do so many atheists who believe natural selection explains life in its wonderous diversity and complexity not think the same process can improve economies
A better question is why do so many atheists who believe natural selection explains life in its wonderous diversity and complexity not think the same process can improve economies
Also assuming that free market economics only benefits billionares is beyond stupid. In reality a more prosperous economy benefits everyone on all income levels. Attempts to even out wealth and centrally plan economies never accomplish anything except spreading poverty. Free markets work just like biological natural selection works. Competition leads to progressive improvements. Central planning is nothing more then market creationism
Im a proud atheist libertarian and you miss so many points I don't even know where to start. Atheist Republicans vote Republican because we believe limited government is the best way to assure jobs and prosperity. Obama's radical belief in big government make him a danger to this countries long term survival. We need a President willing to cut the budget by over a trillion dollars every year. Not that I know any Republican will either I just know Obama won't
@MetalBru01 Sadly yes... not many people grasp the fact that religion has nothing to do with politics. Basically the majority is convinced it has to be that way, also due to similar reasons an atheist would never be voted in as a president due to them not being trusted by the majority, even though christians are the LEAST trustworthy because they harm the people around them and infringe on their rights and even get excused from law like the pope is all due to FAITH!
I agree with you 100%. They need to ask the Republican candidates "what do you think of someone who has no faith and doesnt believe in God?" Just heard a debate where Gingrich said you shouldnt vote for someone who doesnt pray. Horseshit!
Why fiscal conservatives are better than liberal ones: lowering taxes across the board and establishing a flat tax increases economic flow and production, allowing businesses to create more jobs and more industry. The liberal philosophy of economic and social justice has been abused far too often, and simply stifles economic growth. That being said, as an atheist I find this batch of GOP candidates abhorrent. But Dems are offering nothing new. I'm forgoing my vote.
@FinalLugiaGuardian Perhaps founded is the wrong word, since no party has remained unchanged. In fact, the GOP is almost the complete opposite of what they used to be. The anti-slavery Republicans were radical leftists. Obviously the ideologies have changed throughout the years, and recently, the GOP has been on the authoritarian right. As long as they remain religious and authoritarian, they will be socially conservative. They are clearly the worst of the two parties, and the left is correct.
@michaelchristopherj The left isn't correct. Granted niether is the GOP, but they're more on the right financial issues than Democracts.The GOP became what is is now because of its voter base. If its voter base changes a better GOP candidate will emerge. Some GOP candidates realize that they can't win a general election if their social stance on issues like abortion and marijuana use stays as it is. Also many GOP voters in my area are thinking about who can win the general during a primary vote.
@FinalLugiaGuardian Yes, because tax cuts for the rich have worked out quite well in american history....[sarcasm]
Also marijuana has no LOGICAL argument against it, NONE. Unhealthy? to whom? the user? well it is wrong to force health on someone against their own consent... unless they harm someone else but that does not happen with weed. It does with alcohol though, same with it being unhealthy. Besides unless it is laced with something else, weed is not unhealthy -_-
@IronicAtheist I have no problem with marijuana being legalized. As of now my own personal opinion is that the federal government should leave it to each state to regulate itself. If someone wants to smoke it I don't much care as long as they are not next to me.
On taxes, Jon Huntsman seems to have a good idea. Make the tax code more competitive by phasing out the loopholes that companies like GE use to pay such a low percentage. That makes the tax code more in line with small business success.
@FinalLugiaGuardian Well I agree with what you are saying but remember, with politics they always have a good idea, but ALL politicians in america are at least corrupt and it is probably because of the voters lack of care to pay attention actually >.>
@IronicAtheist I pay attention. I'm somewhat of a C-Span nerd too. I try to get people to think critically about their choice. I also try to remain unbiased in my candidate preference as much as possible when talking with people about politics (Unless that talk is about a specific candidate of course). I know it's an uphill battle for now, but if you want to fix something you have to start somewhere.
its tough, either you have extreamists from the left like Obama, who cut funding for NASA and blew money on worthless things, who seems to be trying to destroy the economy, and make America into a 3rd world country, or you got the far right Christian republican extreamists who can fix the economy and create jobs, but they also want to turn the country into a theocracy, so its very hard, stay free, but never find a job and probably starve to death, or have a job but be forced to believe in god.
#1. Not all republicans are against issues like gay marriage. The NY state senate was GOP controled when the senate passed the bill that legalized gay marraige in the state.
#2. Without support from US senator Scott Brown and a few other republicans, DADT would still be in effect.
#3. Not all the GOP are obsessed with religion. Jon Huntsman of Utah is self-described as "not particulary religous."
#4 It isn't uneasonable to vote for someone you don't completely agree with for the greater good.
@FinalLugiaGuardian But if you're socially conservative, you're against things like DADT, gay marriage and so forth. Just because one senator who is in the GOP isn't socially conservative doesn't mean the definition changes.
@michaelchristopherj Is there a definition of republicans that says they must be socially conservative? Furthermore what does your definition of a social conservativtism have to do with this video?
@FinalLugiaGuardian Republican and Democratic parties are made of ideologies which are clear and unambiguous. If you're against social conservatism, then you can't call yourself a Republican because that is the basis on which the GOP is founded. And I brought up social conservatism because you seem to be suggesting that some Republicans have voted progressively, which to me seems to be both beside the point and admittance that typical GOP social issues are wrong.
@michaelchristopherj "the basis on which the GOP is founded." You obviously don't know history. The GOP was founded by former Whig party members and anti-slavery activists. The 1st GOP president Abe Lincon was elected with no support from the democratic pro-slavery south. A GOP congress also gave us the 13th,14th, and 15th amendments.
@michaelchristopherj On the topic of the majority of GOP today being wrong on social issues such as gay marraige, you are for the most part right, but that is not reason to just give up on all GOP candidates or the party itself. In the USA we have a two party dominate system. If you can't stand one party all you have is the other even if you do not always agree. If you want to change the social position then become a republican and demand with your primary vote a social liberal on the ballot.
@FinalLugiaGuardian But why try to find a Republican who is socially liberal when you have an entire party which is socially liberal. Seems to negate the entire purpose. I don't know what it is with your fascination with Republicans. And no, I'm not a democrat. I think they're both wrong, the democrats are just the lesser of the two.
@michaelchristopherj In my opinion the Republicans are more likely to change their social position than the Democrats are to change their fiscal position. Some prominant GOP politicians already have changed. Also if your economy is in the toilet than it doesn't matter as much on a global scale what your country's social position is. The stronger a country is the stronger its social influence. My point is GOP is not perfect either, but of the 2 parties they are the more correct on the issues.
I am a Republican for several reasons. I believe in smaller government. I believe in states' rights. I believe in a company's right to be selective about their services (private, not public). I know that affirmative action does more harm than good. I believe eminent domain is wrong. I believe in the Bill of Rights (including the 2nd and 10th amendments). I believe in eliminating taxes. I believe people should immigrate legally. I believe in the free market. I'd continue but I'm out of space...
@melowar78 Simply because they are right on more issues than the Democrats and we live in a two-party system. I thought I explained it pretty well but I guess not.
@Ayyadification Its painfull obvious to me now that the free market does not work. Greed and corruption from unregulated practices cant be stopped. Banks and corporations alike only care about about making money, not keeping the market stable. I am fairly conservative (non-partisan, vote on issues) and agree with some of what you said but we can't let the banks control there own money making or they will abuse it as they have in the past, over and over again.
@therabbithole999 I never said we should give that kind of power to banks, which is why I'm for abolishing the Federal Reserve. And as for the free market, it's the only way we can be free. Without a free market, it is impossible for the people to be free. This is why our freedoms here in the States slowly went away once they started regulating, it caused bigger government!
"I'm a member of the GOP and vote republican for economic reasons."
So you missed that The economy was better in Clinton's presidency than either Bush presidency. So you missed that Clinton's first tern (when the Democrats also controlled the House) than his second term. So you missed that Obama inherited one of the worst economies since Hoover (GOP). So you missed that Republicans have been blocking economic reforms tooth and nail.
And, why vote for somebody who claims to speak for God?
@drfoxcourt Republicans blocking economic reform is why I am not a republican anymore. It's obvious to me that economic reform and regulations are necesary to keep the bankers and corporations in line. Along with being pro-choice and a non-believer. I do like the ideas of smaller government, state regulation (not federal), etc. I fully disagree with almost all entitlement programs and still believe that people should work for what they get...
I am a conservative Atheist, and I have given up on the republicans. There are no real conservatives left in the party. I cannot line up with democrats for social reasons and for economic reasons. Also, don't fool yourself Democrats are barley better on the religious freedom front. Unfortunately, both parties are terrible.
@TheSultan03 Who fought for DADT repeal? Who has been trying to stop the discriminating bills in AZ? Who's been fighting for marriage equality? It certainly isn't the GOP. Both parties are bad, but to say they are equally bad is beyond dishonest.
I would vote for Ron Paul if given the chance, strictly because of his views toward foreign policy, the Federal Reserve, war, and government encroachment on the personal freedoms of Americans (as is the case with recreational drug use, TSA abuse, the Patriot Act, etc.). I disagree with him on religious issues, but those precedents have largely already been set by the U.S. Supreme Court, so I'm not especially worried.
6:34 Where did you get that one from, your Elitist Hack Douchebag Joke App?
@Dasmaster1 oh come on he is not as nearly crazy as the people mentioned in the video and he's consistant with views against the war and against the war on drugs that has to count for something.
@freedomguy55 When did it become ok to elect people because they are not quite as bad as there opponents? Why not just try get someone who is actually good?
@freedomguy55 How about the terribly racist background he had. Like saying "blacks are 95% criminals.". He has done good too though like defending free speech and got allot of other good quality's but he would not be good as president. I think worst of all is his ideas of tightening the credit.
@Dasmaster1 "When did it become ok to elect people because they are not quite as bad as there opponents?"
When the two-party system made any other voting method impossible. If you want to vote for someone whose ideals are identical to your own, you must become a nominee and vote for yourself.
I understand the less spending part of fiscal conservatives, and though I don't support this current trend of cutting all the spending that is within the country but not touching the spending outside the country, I am sort of in support of less spending. What I don't understand is the dogmatic hatred of taxes. When taxes are at a decent level, the country always runs a lot smoother. In the private and public sectors.
@brandoniog There is a great conspiracy to silence anybody who expresses views the left don't like and the left think they own atheism, homosexuality and the black race so they really try their hardest to silence what they see as traitors - as if individuals didn't have a right to use their own brain once assigned to a Democratic Party Official Minority Group. I really can't contain my contempt for such arrogant and illiberal tactics any longer.
I'm an atheist and a republican, but I guess your question doesn't apply to me because I'm a dissaffected republican. I vote libertarian at the moment but I'll go back to the republican party when it has no longer lost it's way.
The reason, as a poorer member of society, I vote for fiscally conservative parties (FYI I'm a capitalist, not a corporatist as the republican party now is) is because I have values that go beyong my own self interest. Not that it's bad to vote in your own self interest
One more thing I'd like to add is that while I fully support first amendment rights for everyone, I feel more strongly about the second amendment, because without the right of citizens to bear arms, there would be no first amendment.
@xtremejohnny69 That's the biggest farce the Right Wing has been able to pump into people's heads. Owning a gun doesn't make you free. From one military guy to another, you and I both know who has more firepower when push comes to shove. Free thought is what counts and ultimately, it's free thought that will win.
@cmfic36 True but a gun helps lol. The founding fathers certainly couldn't have overthrown the british government without the use of force. Sometimes to get rid of tyranny, you have to have firearms. My favorite quote for this would be, "An armed man is a citizen, and unarmed man is a subject."-Thomas Jefferson.
CMFIC36: I think you should remember that a lot of atheists are atheists not due to the result of critical thinking but for other particular reasons. Perhaps because of contradictions in christianity or other singular issues they pick up on but not based on broad critical thinking skills. In that case you would get republican atheists who are in essence "faithful" to the party, failing to understand that the party is theocracy friendly . Just my two cents thanks!
My atheism is what led me to the libertarian party. I would consider myself a constitutionial libertarian. I just got fed up with republican candidates sucking god's dick every time they got up to the podium. You'd be surprised at how many right wing atheists there are, I'm in the army and I can tell you, atheism is on the rise in the service, but alot of them are still pretty right wing. I can see a shift on the conservative movement away from god and more towards smaller govt.
@cmfic36 The short of it is, no politician actually cares about you; they can't. You are one of many and they do not even know you. What they care about is figuring out what you need to hear to give them your vote.
I want the national government to quit messing with people's lives so much. No politician (save Ron Paul I guess) has a solid track record of making the gov't do less. So the best way to get what I want is to vote for a deadlock, that means republicans get my vote sometimes.
@cmfic36 Here are two possibles. The first an foremost is to cast your votes with the goal of splitting the two major parties right down the middle. If you do not like either party and think that it is best if the national government do little or nothing then voting to make a deadlock can be a good thing.
Second, most politicians say all kinds of shit and never do any of it. It's a choice between who might screw the place up the least, sometimes that's the republican candidate sometimes not.
I don't understand why some atheists are Republicans, or why some African-Americans or gays are for that matter. My only explanation is we all can't be sane.
I was a Libertarian until the economy collapsed 4 years back. Those values have influenced the Republican party greatly. Why am I no longer a Libertarian. When the economy collapsed I looked into the reasons why. It seem polices that were in line with my values were the cause. So I changed my value system, while the tea party double downed for reason I simply can't fathom. I suppose people got scared and ran to someone offering a solution, even if that solution was in fact the problem.
I think its much worse this time around. It seems like every single one of the republican hopefuls this year are batshit crazy about the religion thing. I don't remember McCain being that bad, Palin, yes though, and she seems to have become much much worse. I might have voted for him last election if I had been registered at the time, but I don't see any republican candidates for this election that I could even think about voting for right now.
Republican atheist here. I vote Republican to keep rich democrats out of office.
The faith based notion that Republicans are the party of billionaires is an old hat, when stats show the wealthy are split along the 2 party line. Half are Dems., half are Rep.s.
I'm an atheist and a republican and a southerner(if Florida counts). I have yet to decide upon a candidate or a party to support in this next election. Here's the thing: I'm not a single issue voter. I'm not super worried about my first amendment rights being violated because I trust our system to protect them. Yes, politicians fail to abide by the constituion on a regular basis, but the courts (when the issues come before them) seem to make the right decision most of the time...
@SgtDICTION I generally do not vote democrat because I'm not a huge fan of a lot of the social programs we have in this country. I also feel that many dems are selfish and borderline isolationist in regards to foreign policy. The same people that march in Darfur picket lines will say that social injustices in Afghanistan are none of our business. And just because I'm not rich does not mean that I cannot support and economic model that drives inovation and encourages education and hard work...
@SgtDICTION ...Perhaps it is not im my personal best interest at the moment, but I think it works. Am I for tax cuts for the rich? No. Breaks for the poor? No. Everyone should pay their fair share. If you don't like your socioeconomic status, do something to change it. We have economic mobility in this country, but if it was easy, everyone would do it. I hope this helps.
After seventeen seconds I have already had enough. What is the fucking point of aggressive piss-you-off music on a video with a message? I'll never discover what the message is, either in the music or the video.
Do you only want to communicate with people who have the same taste in music? Is everybody else's opinion worthless? That is what that musical choice says to me. It says fuck you.
@MartinJWillett There's a handy little mute button and the ability to fast forward. I use music during the credits for the same reason they do in movies and television. There's also always the option of just not watching. The lyrical content of 90% of the music I put in my videos is related to the topic at hand. I'll try and stick to the ambient effect next time just for you and use some Wagner or Tchaikovsky in my next vid. No...how about Chopin? You look like a Chopin guy. Thanks for watching!
@cmfic36 How about just giving the actual content without pretending that you're making a television program? We've hit the button ourselves, we know the show is about to start, we don't need a cue to sit down and shut up before the interesting stuff starts. We've hit the button because we want the interesting stuff to start. Now.
@aposticism Don't criticize. Don't comment. Get "a life" instead. Nah. Fuck that. I'd rather think for myself and tell it like I find it and never be cowed into silence by bullies.
@MartinJWillett I'm a bully because I suggested you skip to the part that you find relevant instead of listening to a song you don't get? Okay, princess.
And I can criticize and comment if I wish. You are welcome to "tell it like you find it" but don't be surprised if others find your thoughts whiney. cmfic36 makes videos the way he likes it. Though I would suggest his point of not watching if the music hurts your feelings that much...or, you know, has to make you think.
@aposticism No, you're a bully because you are implying that caring about this issue enough to make a suggestion is whining and unmanly.
I would not have pressed the button to start the video if I was not interested in the subject, but the interest did not survive the wholly unnecessary musical onslaught. If people want to make videos which attract a minority and then fuck off some of them before they start their content then they are free to do so, as I am free to suggest that is a bad idea.
@MartinJWillett No, the unmanly part came when you started calling me a bully because you feel like I'm trying to "cow you into silence." Which isn't the case. Like I said, you're free to speak your mind, but if it's such a petty thing like the 15 seconds of music in the beginning, you're looking for reasons to bitch. If you're interested in the subject matter, get to the part where he talks about it and don't complain about the intro
@aposticism You're still trying to shut me up and making disparaging comments about me.
As I have said several times I was interested in the subject but was thoroughly turned off it by the music. I can't imagine that I will be the only person to have that reaction. That is the only thing I have to say because I can't comment on what I'll never see.
@MartinJWillett I'm looking for the part where I said "shut up." Hm...I see "you're free to speak your mind..." OH you mean the part where I said "don't complain about the intro"? Yeah, because it's cmfic36's video and he can do whatever the hell he damn well pleases. Why complain about a music in the intro when you can scan over it and watch the relevant parts? Thus you've added nothing to the conversation on the video except "wah, I don't like the intro. Music is hard to understand."
@MartinJWillett What's your fucking problem? All you ever do is spout your antagonistic opinions about multiculturalism. You are a bonafide nationalist; and you have the balls to accuse someone else of devaluing the opinions of others? You take from things what you want. So, if the the music gives you a big middle finger then I suggest you take your own and shove it right up your ass.
@SgtDICTION I have an opinion, every time somebody tells me to shut up I will repeat it.
As I have said many times I was interested in the subject but was thoroughly turned off it by the music. I can't imagine that I will be the only person to have that reaction.
@MartinJWillett That's fine Martin except for the fact that you have contributed nothing to the topic of conversation that should be occurring here. Half the comments on this video are about a subject that is totally irrelevant. Perhaps I don't like your accent or the fact that you don't do videos so much as voiceovers, but you don't see me complaining about it because it misses the point and is thus a complete waste of time. At any rate, what's your opinion on the video?
@MartinJWillett You're just being a whiney bitch, dude. If you don't like the channel, don't watch it. I'm not going to change my video style that I've had for two years just because one boo-hooey asshat doesn't like Rage Against the Machine. To come in here like a spoiled little dick and start cursing at me for no fucking reason and then flood the comment thread with spam is outrageous. If the topic interested you as much as you say, you'd shut your fucking mouth and watch the video.
@cmfic36 I was interested in the subject in the title, that interest evaporated, as I said. If people don't want me to keep commenting they shouldn't comment on my comments.
@TheEpisteme Why should it ever be an issue? Adding music to a political comment is completely unnecessary and counter-productive. If you are talking to a small slice of a minority of a minority you really would do well not to split your audience down any further by alienating anybody else.
All music is an attempt to manipulate people in some way and therefore we should always think whenever we hear music played AT us "what is this manipulative bastard trying to manipulate us into doing?"
@TurkeyForSale Beethoven and Bach were playing music FOR you, there's a difference. This is playing music AT you. Nobody chose to click on a Rage Against The Machine video here, did they? People play music AT you to have an effect on you: to relax you so you will buy in their shop, to excite you, to anaesthetize you in an elevator, to alarm you as you watch images of sad polar bears, to turn you into a gibbering wreck as the villain emerges from the shadows etc.
@MartinJWillett I don't think it should be an issue. They're his videos and he can play whatever music he wants in them. Why is that an issue? You don't have to watch them if you don't like it. Seems like you're thinking way too hard about some guy who gives his opinion on the internet, which you probably didn't ask for in the first place.
@TheEpisteme Of course he can play whatever he wants but if he puts a nine minute nose flute solo on the beginning he's going to have fewer viewers, isn't he? Similarly if he puts two minutes of rap or atonal jazz. And also with 17 (or however many it was) seconds of shouty-angry-white-boy music. Same effect, smaller dose. More people are likely to agree with the opinions than the musical choice, on almost any opinion video, regardless of the opinions or the music. So why bother?
@oneadamtwelve86 Music is cool so more is better right? Give them fourteen and a half minutes of music and they'll really be happy and ready for your thirty seconds of content, yeah? Or cats, people like cats, especially kittens. Dancing kittens and shouty music and flashy colourful graphics. That will make any video better, won't it? Cool indeed. Or why not just go the whole hog and give people a few hours of Nyan Cat?
@oneadamtwelve86 You are not grasping the concept here very well, are you? Every time somebody suggests that I have no right to have or express my opinion or my opinion isn't worth their consideration I express my opinion again. I suggest that anybody else who finds their opinions treated like this should do the same: refuse to be cowed and silenced by the forces of social conformity.
Political comment videos don't need musical introductions, they serve no purpose and satisfy no desire.
@MartinJWillett I agree with the music comment even though I like that song! The singer is native american and he speaks the truth about his people's past/history... Opinions are just that opinion, people don't have to listen and we don't have to stop using them. The only thing about opinions are that some are more relevant than others. Lets say I am under the opinion that the flying spaghetti monster is real. Would you listen to or respect that opinion?
@therabbithole999 No. Opinions don't deserve respect, neither do beliefs. I respect people and their right to hold and express opinions but there is no reason for me to respect stupid opinions or pay any attention to them.
@MartinJWillett Why bother worrying about it? Seriously I think you're thinking way too hard about what one of countless atheist vloggers on youtube puts in his videos.
@TheEpisteme Why bother having a mind at all when you've got friends to think and decide things for you? Personally I feel better having and expressing my own views rather than a collective opinion and when somebody suggests I shouldn't express my opinion because it isn't the same as their friends' opinion I feel a desire to spread that opinion more widely. I have never wanted to be a part of a hive mind.
@MartinJWillett So you're exercising your contrarian critical thinking skills by criticising the music that some guy puts in his 5 minute youtube clips that he makes in his apartment? Thats like going to some pizza shop that 50 people eat at and telling them they use the wrong kind tomatoes for their sauce and insisting that everyone in town hear you say it. Opinions are great but some of them are banal and others are important. Guess which kind your opinion on this guy's music is.
@TheEpisteme Don't you think it might be a good idea to allow people to discuss the content of this video rather than discuss me expressing my opinions? I've said all I have to say and I'll be quite content not to have another comment to reply to. But on the other hand I have been known to keep a pissing contest going for several years, the ball's in your court, you could just let it go and pretend you thought it was out.
@Dudeatheist I made a point about music and now I'm making a point about free speech and not being bullied into silence or into the approved positions of the flock. I am not a troll, I am a free thinker who is prepared to express my thoughts and defend them against those who try to silence originality of thought. Are you proud of your efforts to silence me with shame and playground taunts?
@MartinJWillett That is one of the best "let me throw some shit against a wall and see what sticks" replies I've gotten in a while. Unfortunately for the host you are at the very least a humorous troll.
@MartinJWillett Are you serious? Just because a person puts music in their video it does not indicate anything about the person. Just because a song is in a video it does not mean that the person that created the video likes the music. It definitely does not mean that the person is saying that all other opinions are useless.
@Chaoitcme Have I said otherwise? I said music can and does stop people watching videos that, up until that moment, they had wanted to watch. If annoying people with music is more important than the message why bother with the message? Just play annoying music on your phone on the bus.
Not to dehumanize republicans, but, I'm still trying to figure out how any real human being with a healthy sense of honesty and humanity can vote republican.
@PixeIIe They can't, because all republicans have issues, mostly greed and xenophobia. Even libertarians have severe anti authority issues and some messed up idea that the free market solves all problems perfectly. You are witnessing evolution of the human brain in progress. Size of the amygdalia (Fear Response) vs amount of gray matter (complex problem solving).
Also when it comes to the deficit, I don't know how tax cuts will help that cause. How do you pay something off by not paying it? Sure you can cut social programs off (and hurt alot of people in the process) but that's just roughly 10% of what taxes go to from the research I gathered from google. So that only fixes 10% of the deficit. Again, really doesn't help the cause.
Republicans have a lousy track record when it comes to being "fiscally conservative." (Reagen, Bush) I don't know why or how conservative atheists would miss seeing this. And I think they stand for more government control over people lives. When Republicans talk about tax cuts, they're not talking about tax cuts for the majority. Good inquiry! I will be waiting for the responses myself.
im a registered republican due to my fiscal conservative nature, and no, i wouldnt vote for any of the candidates you mentioned (although my leanings are more moderate overall). ron paul would get my vote, but i typically vote for 3rd party candidates anyway.
For me, the defining fault-line of our time is conservatism v. liberalism, broadly speaking, rather than atheism v. Christianity. I'm an atheist but immigration, border security, suicidal free trade policies, the raging debt/deficit, the rise of China, and coal seam gas drilling on farms concern me WAY more than Christians do. I'm Australian, not American, and we're not so religious down here but still I'd guess many atheist Americans feel similar.
@xntubes Again, trading a civil right/liberty that involves free thought isn't worth all of the other political goodies that a certain party may offer. At least not for me.
@cmfic36 It's a question of priorities. Who is the bigger enemy to fear? Which bogey man is actually likely to materialise? I'm far more worried about America's economic and subsequent military decline. A world where China is a superpower who can do whatever they like scares the bejesus out of me. Comparatively, Christians are not even on my radar. The likelihood that Christians will do something to constrain us atheists is very low. And if they did we could just work around it.
@xntubes We owe China too much money for them to bomb us away. America spends 500x more on the military then any other country and is the #1 reason the deficit is out of control. Despite this and the republicans "concerns" about the deficit, they still want MORE military spending. Many even want to start another war with Iran. Its fucking ridiculous.
@melowar78 I'm not worried about China bombing America, I'm worried about them invading Australia where I live and the USA not saving us because it is economically neutered or demographically ruled by non-whites who have no affinity with us.
Yes, all your wars in Islamic countries are totally futile. Islam is not compatible with freedom or democracy and it is insane to have anything to do with those countries (except for disabling their capacity to do harm).
Republicans like Romney focus more on business and less on civil rights issues than a Rick Perry or George W. Bush would. Democrats have the worst history of taking away civil rights or opposing them. John Kerry wrote the most egregious portions of the Patriot Act. Obama is taking away many of our choices on health care through his Affordable Care Act. It is Democrats pushing to take away gun ownership rights. Look closely at hate crime legislation and see what free thought is allowed.
@cmfic36 I will be honest I voted GOP despite the religious stupidity in the party...For "economic reasons". However, this was the early 90's & I was young fresh out of the USAF. I know the GOP is the party responsible for most of the debt this country has, it cares nothing about the environment, Veterans, middle class & its economic policies are pure BS as well. I am almost certain folks who claim they vote GOP for "economic reasons" are "inFOXicated" from too much FOX "News" & Talk Radio!!
Yeah Australia doesn't have nearly the Christianity problem that America has. Think the middle east, only with Jesus instead of Mohammad. The only thing keeping them from enforcing Mosaic law is the first amendment.
The world needs a cleansing of these inhuman religious idiots, everyone is just waiting for someone like you to step forward and offer up a workable solution to these religious fucking swine! Really these vultures just need to be removed from any position of power - before they force convert us and our children!
Cleanse the world of religion by any means necessary, save our children and our freedoms - live free or die!
I'm not only Republican, I'm rabidly conservative.
I also happen to be an atheist.
I won't vote for or against somebody based on their religion(or lack thereof) That's bigotry, and I'm above that.
I don't mind that the GOP is "Christian-based" because, quite frankly, our laws and our country are Christian based, and even though I think that Christian theological views are hogwash, their moral and ethical codes are quite good, and you can believe in those and not believe in God.
thenutintheushanka18 3 days ago
The only one worth voting for is Ron Paul.
Hellu235Sing 3 weeks ago
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A better question is why do so many atheists who believe natural selection explains life in its wonderous diversity and complexity not think the same process can improve economies
TheJimboman300 1 month ago
A better question is why do so many atheists who believe natural selection explains life in its wonderous diversity and complexity not think the same process can improve economies
TheJimboman300 1 month ago
Also assuming that free market economics only benefits billionares is beyond stupid. In reality a more prosperous economy benefits everyone on all income levels. Attempts to even out wealth and centrally plan economies never accomplish anything except spreading poverty. Free markets work just like biological natural selection works. Competition leads to progressive improvements. Central planning is nothing more then market creationism
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Im a proud atheist libertarian and you miss so many points I don't even know where to start. Atheist Republicans vote Republican because we believe limited government is the best way to assure jobs and prosperity. Obama's radical belief in big government make him a danger to this countries long term survival. We need a President willing to cut the budget by over a trillion dollars every year. Not that I know any Republican will either I just know Obama won't
TheJimboman300 1 month ago
Atheist Republicans? Isn't that an oxymoron?
MetalBru01 2 months ago
@MetalBru01 Sadly yes... not many people grasp the fact that religion has nothing to do with politics. Basically the majority is convinced it has to be that way, also due to similar reasons an atheist would never be voted in as a president due to them not being trusted by the majority, even though christians are the LEAST trustworthy because they harm the people around them and infringe on their rights and even get excused from law like the pope is all due to FAITH!
IronicAtheist 2 months ago
I agree with you 100%. They need to ask the Republican candidates "what do you think of someone who has no faith and doesnt believe in God?" Just heard a debate where Gingrich said you shouldnt vote for someone who doesnt pray. Horseshit!
CmrAdama 4 months ago
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Why fiscal conservatives are better than liberal ones: lowering taxes across the board and establishing a flat tax increases economic flow and production, allowing businesses to create more jobs and more industry. The liberal philosophy of economic and social justice has been abused far too often, and simply stifles economic growth. That being said, as an atheist I find this batch of GOP candidates abhorrent. But Dems are offering nothing new. I'm forgoing my vote.
TheShawngan 5 months ago
@FinalLugiaGuardian Perhaps founded is the wrong word, since no party has remained unchanged. In fact, the GOP is almost the complete opposite of what they used to be. The anti-slavery Republicans were radical leftists. Obviously the ideologies have changed throughout the years, and recently, the GOP has been on the authoritarian right. As long as they remain religious and authoritarian, they will be socially conservative. They are clearly the worst of the two parties, and the left is correct.
michaelchristopherj 6 months ago
@michaelchristopherj The left isn't correct. Granted niether is the GOP, but they're more on the right financial issues than Democracts.The GOP became what is is now because of its voter base. If its voter base changes a better GOP candidate will emerge. Some GOP candidates realize that they can't win a general election if their social stance on issues like abortion and marijuana use stays as it is. Also many GOP voters in my area are thinking about who can win the general during a primary vote.
FinalLugiaGuardian 6 months ago
@FinalLugiaGuardian Yes, because tax cuts for the rich have worked out quite well in american history....[sarcasm]
Also marijuana has no LOGICAL argument against it, NONE. Unhealthy? to whom? the user? well it is wrong to force health on someone against their own consent... unless they harm someone else but that does not happen with weed. It does with alcohol though, same with it being unhealthy. Besides unless it is laced with something else, weed is not unhealthy -_-
IronicAtheist 2 months ago
@IronicAtheist I have no problem with marijuana being legalized. As of now my own personal opinion is that the federal government should leave it to each state to regulate itself. If someone wants to smoke it I don't much care as long as they are not next to me.
On taxes, Jon Huntsman seems to have a good idea. Make the tax code more competitive by phasing out the loopholes that companies like GE use to pay such a low percentage. That makes the tax code more in line with small business success.
FinalLugiaGuardian 1 month ago
@FinalLugiaGuardian Well I agree with what you are saying but remember, with politics they always have a good idea, but ALL politicians in america are at least corrupt and it is probably because of the voters lack of care to pay attention actually >.>
IronicAtheist 1 month ago
@IronicAtheist I pay attention. I'm somewhat of a C-Span nerd too. I try to get people to think critically about their choice. I also try to remain unbiased in my candidate preference as much as possible when talking with people about politics (Unless that talk is about a specific candidate of course). I know it's an uphill battle for now, but if you want to fix something you have to start somewhere.
FinalLugiaGuardian 1 month ago
its tough, either you have extreamists from the left like Obama, who cut funding for NASA and blew money on worthless things, who seems to be trying to destroy the economy, and make America into a 3rd world country, or you got the far right Christian republican extreamists who can fix the economy and create jobs, but they also want to turn the country into a theocracy, so its very hard, stay free, but never find a job and probably starve to death, or have a job but be forced to believe in god.
Akirameerkat 6 months ago
I think your fire alarm is on strike right now. He's tired of taking shit from the oven.
movinbutnotshakin 6 months ago
Jesus was a liberal!
jwdesign336 6 months ago
I AM HERMAN CAIN.
AND I DO NOT LIKE TO READ.
VisigothViking 6 months ago
#1. Not all republicans are against issues like gay marriage. The NY state senate was GOP controled when the senate passed the bill that legalized gay marraige in the state.
#2. Without support from US senator Scott Brown and a few other republicans, DADT would still be in effect.
#3. Not all the GOP are obsessed with religion. Jon Huntsman of Utah is self-described as "not particulary religous."
#4 It isn't uneasonable to vote for someone you don't completely agree with for the greater good.
FinalLugiaGuardian 7 months ago
@FinalLugiaGuardian But if you're socially conservative, you're against things like DADT, gay marriage and so forth. Just because one senator who is in the GOP isn't socially conservative doesn't mean the definition changes.
michaelchristopherj 6 months ago
@michaelchristopherj Is there a definition of republicans that says they must be socially conservative? Furthermore what does your definition of a social conservativtism have to do with this video?
FinalLugiaGuardian 6 months ago
@FinalLugiaGuardian Republican and Democratic parties are made of ideologies which are clear and unambiguous. If you're against social conservatism, then you can't call yourself a Republican because that is the basis on which the GOP is founded. And I brought up social conservatism because you seem to be suggesting that some Republicans have voted progressively, which to me seems to be both beside the point and admittance that typical GOP social issues are wrong.
michaelchristopherj 6 months ago
@michaelchristopherj "the basis on which the GOP is founded." You obviously don't know history. The GOP was founded by former Whig party members and anti-slavery activists. The 1st GOP president Abe Lincon was elected with no support from the democratic pro-slavery south. A GOP congress also gave us the 13th,14th, and 15th amendments.
FinalLugiaGuardian 6 months ago
@michaelchristopherj On the topic of the majority of GOP today being wrong on social issues such as gay marraige, you are for the most part right, but that is not reason to just give up on all GOP candidates or the party itself. In the USA we have a two party dominate system. If you can't stand one party all you have is the other even if you do not always agree. If you want to change the social position then become a republican and demand with your primary vote a social liberal on the ballot.
FinalLugiaGuardian 6 months ago
@FinalLugiaGuardian But why try to find a Republican who is socially liberal when you have an entire party which is socially liberal. Seems to negate the entire purpose. I don't know what it is with your fascination with Republicans. And no, I'm not a democrat. I think they're both wrong, the democrats are just the lesser of the two.
michaelchristopherj 6 months ago
@michaelchristopherj In my opinion the Republicans are more likely to change their social position than the Democrats are to change their fiscal position. Some prominant GOP politicians already have changed. Also if your economy is in the toilet than it doesn't matter as much on a global scale what your country's social position is. The stronger a country is the stronger its social influence. My point is GOP is not perfect either, but of the 2 parties they are the more correct on the issues.
FinalLugiaGuardian 6 months ago
I am a Republican for several reasons. I believe in smaller government. I believe in states' rights. I believe in a company's right to be selective about their services (private, not public). I know that affirmative action does more harm than good. I believe eminent domain is wrong. I believe in the Bill of Rights (including the 2nd and 10th amendments). I believe in eliminating taxes. I believe people should immigrate legally. I believe in the free market. I'd continue but I'm out of space...
Ayyadification 7 months ago
@Ayyadification So the question remains, why are you a Republican?
melowar78 7 months ago
@melowar78 Simply because they are right on more issues than the Democrats and we live in a two-party system. I thought I explained it pretty well but I guess not.
Ayyadification 7 months ago
@Ayyadification Its painfull obvious to me now that the free market does not work. Greed and corruption from unregulated practices cant be stopped. Banks and corporations alike only care about about making money, not keeping the market stable. I am fairly conservative (non-partisan, vote on issues) and agree with some of what you said but we can't let the banks control there own money making or they will abuse it as they have in the past, over and over again.
therabbithole999 7 months ago
@therabbithole999 I never said we should give that kind of power to banks, which is why I'm for abolishing the Federal Reserve. And as for the free market, it's the only way we can be free. Without a free market, it is impossible for the people to be free. This is why our freedoms here in the States slowly went away once they started regulating, it caused bigger government!
Ayyadification 7 months ago
"I'm a member of the GOP and vote republican for economic reasons."
So you missed that The economy was better in Clinton's presidency than either Bush presidency. So you missed that Clinton's first tern (when the Democrats also controlled the House) than his second term. So you missed that Obama inherited one of the worst economies since Hoover (GOP). So you missed that Republicans have been blocking economic reforms tooth and nail.
And, why vote for somebody who claims to speak for God?
drfoxcourt 7 months ago
@drfoxcourt Republicans blocking economic reform is why I am not a republican anymore. It's obvious to me that economic reform and regulations are necesary to keep the bankers and corporations in line. Along with being pro-choice and a non-believer. I do like the ideas of smaller government, state regulation (not federal), etc. I fully disagree with almost all entitlement programs and still believe that people should work for what they get...
therabbithole999 7 months ago
atheist repugs? they are called libertarians
Statekilla1 7 months ago
atheits =/= critical thinker
atheist =/= altruistic
I think that sums up most of the atheist Republicans, as far as why they would align with the non-religious aspects of that party in my perspective.
TheMidwestAtheist 7 months ago
I am a conservative Atheist, and I have given up on the republicans. There are no real conservatives left in the party. I cannot line up with democrats for social reasons and for economic reasons. Also, don't fool yourself Democrats are barley better on the religious freedom front. Unfortunately, both parties are terrible.
TheSultan03 7 months ago
@TheSultan03 Social issues? So you're against equality?
cmfic36 7 months ago 7
@cmfic36 idiot
AMilitantAgnostic 7 months ago
@cmfic36 Really?! You are that blind to the real politics of the democrats? You make me sad.
TheSultan03 7 months ago
@TheSultan03 Who fought for DADT repeal? Who has been trying to stop the discriminating bills in AZ? Who's been fighting for marriage equality? It certainly isn't the GOP. Both parties are bad, but to say they are equally bad is beyond dishonest.
cmfic36 7 months ago 8
@TheSultan03
"I cannot line up with democrats for social reasons and for economic reasons."
Yes, trying to make the world a better place to live in is SO much a damn 60s hippie thing.
MomoTheBellyDancer 7 months ago
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vechorik 4 months ago
I would vote for Ron Paul if given the chance, strictly because of his views toward foreign policy, the Federal Reserve, war, and government encroachment on the personal freedoms of Americans (as is the case with recreational drug use, TSA abuse, the Patriot Act, etc.). I disagree with him on religious issues, but those precedents have largely already been set by the U.S. Supreme Court, so I'm not especially worried.
6:34 Where did you get that one from, your Elitist Hack Douchebag Joke App?
yermomsboxx 7 months ago
@yermomsboxx That's exactly where I got it from. You caught me.
cmfic36 7 months ago
I'll probably vote a straight Democratic ticket in 2012.
ndrthrdr1 7 months ago
i am not sure i can answer because i am libertarian and i am for Ron Paul one of the people you did not mention.
freedomguy55 7 months ago
@freedomguy55 To be honest Ron Paul is a nutcase.
Dasmaster1 7 months ago
@Dasmaster1 oh come on he is not as nearly crazy as the people mentioned in the video and he's consistant with views against the war and against the war on drugs that has to count for something.
freedomguy55 7 months ago
@freedomguy55 When did it become ok to elect people because they are not quite as bad as there opponents? Why not just try get someone who is actually good?
Dasmaster1 7 months ago
@Dasmaster1 so what is so bad about him? i thought i did mention really good qualities.
freedomguy55 7 months ago
@freedomguy55 How about the terribly racist background he had. Like saying "blacks are 95% criminals.". He has done good too though like defending free speech and got allot of other good quality's but he would not be good as president. I think worst of all is his ideas of tightening the credit.
Dasmaster1 7 months ago
@Dasmaster1 i am sorry i started this argument i have nothing to say i hope you do not think less of me
freedomguy55 7 months ago
@freedomguy55 Well not really. Not everyone need to know about everything. Have a good day.
Dasmaster1 7 months ago
@Dasmaster1 "When did it become ok to elect people because they are not quite as bad as there opponents?"
When the two-party system made any other voting method impossible. If you want to vote for someone whose ideals are identical to your own, you must become a nominee and vote for yourself.
yermomsboxx 7 months ago
I understand the less spending part of fiscal conservatives, and though I don't support this current trend of cutting all the spending that is within the country but not touching the spending outside the country, I am sort of in support of less spending. What I don't understand is the dogmatic hatred of taxes. When taxes are at a decent level, the country always runs a lot smoother. In the private and public sectors.
supafly345 7 months ago
@supafly345 Not to mention there obsession with cutting taxes for the rich.
Dasmaster1 7 months ago
I've never even heard of a Atheist Republican!!!!
brandoniog 7 months ago
@brandoniog There is a great conspiracy to silence anybody who expresses views the left don't like and the left think they own atheism, homosexuality and the black race so they really try their hardest to silence what they see as traitors - as if individuals didn't have a right to use their own brain once assigned to a Democratic Party Official Minority Group. I really can't contain my contempt for such arrogant and illiberal tactics any longer.
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett
oh you're sooooo persecuted, between this and whining about the music, quite frankly you're a joke.
Dudeatheist 7 months ago
I'm an atheist and a republican, but I guess your question doesn't apply to me because I'm a dissaffected republican. I vote libertarian at the moment but I'll go back to the republican party when it has no longer lost it's way.
The reason, as a poorer member of society, I vote for fiscally conservative parties (FYI I'm a capitalist, not a corporatist as the republican party now is) is because I have values that go beyong my own self interest. Not that it's bad to vote in your own self interest
OatSharpener 7 months ago
One more thing I'd like to add is that while I fully support first amendment rights for everyone, I feel more strongly about the second amendment, because without the right of citizens to bear arms, there would be no first amendment.
xtremejohnny69 7 months ago
@xtremejohnny69 That's the biggest farce the Right Wing has been able to pump into people's heads. Owning a gun doesn't make you free. From one military guy to another, you and I both know who has more firepower when push comes to shove. Free thought is what counts and ultimately, it's free thought that will win.
cmfic36 7 months ago 8
@cmfic36 True but a gun helps lol. The founding fathers certainly couldn't have overthrown the british government without the use of force. Sometimes to get rid of tyranny, you have to have firearms. My favorite quote for this would be, "An armed man is a citizen, and unarmed man is a subject."-Thomas Jefferson.
xtremejohnny69 7 months ago
CMFIC36: I think you should remember that a lot of atheists are atheists not due to the result of critical thinking but for other particular reasons. Perhaps because of contradictions in christianity or other singular issues they pick up on but not based on broad critical thinking skills. In that case you would get republican atheists who are in essence "faithful" to the party, failing to understand that the party is theocracy friendly . Just my two cents thanks!
tsunami770 7 months ago
My atheism is what led me to the libertarian party. I would consider myself a constitutionial libertarian. I just got fed up with republican candidates sucking god's dick every time they got up to the podium. You'd be surprised at how many right wing atheists there are, I'm in the army and I can tell you, atheism is on the rise in the service, but alot of them are still pretty right wing. I can see a shift on the conservative movement away from god and more towards smaller govt.
xtremejohnny69 7 months ago
@cmfic36 The short of it is, no politician actually cares about you; they can't. You are one of many and they do not even know you. What they care about is figuring out what you need to hear to give them your vote.
I want the national government to quit messing with people's lives so much. No politician (save Ron Paul I guess) has a solid track record of making the gov't do less. So the best way to get what I want is to vote for a deadlock, that means republicans get my vote sometimes.
AndreisEntaro 7 months ago
@cmfic36 Here are two possibles. The first an foremost is to cast your votes with the goal of splitting the two major parties right down the middle. If you do not like either party and think that it is best if the national government do little or nothing then voting to make a deadlock can be a good thing.
Second, most politicians say all kinds of shit and never do any of it. It's a choice between who might screw the place up the least, sometimes that's the republican candidate sometimes not.
AndreisEntaro 7 months ago
Republicans who believe in God want to dump the 1st amendment and then make the country into some kind of Christian based theocracy?
5:20 WOW this guy sees it all too clearly! The fucking corpse eating vulture Republicans need to be removed from power now.
AMilitantAgnostic 7 months ago
held back economically rather than theologically? I would like for you too discuss this even more. I'm a little interested in this thought.
surshot56 7 months ago
I don't understand why some atheists are Republicans, or why some African-Americans or gays are for that matter. My only explanation is we all can't be sane.
Abena20 7 months ago
I was a Libertarian until the economy collapsed 4 years back. Those values have influenced the Republican party greatly. Why am I no longer a Libertarian. When the economy collapsed I looked into the reasons why. It seem polices that were in line with my values were the cause. So I changed my value system, while the tea party double downed for reason I simply can't fathom. I suppose people got scared and ran to someone offering a solution, even if that solution was in fact the problem.
TrulyEvilBob 7 months ago
@DreamRationally When working within a 500 character limit why do people feel the need to patronize people with a mock friendly term?
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
Gary Johnson
ferulebezel 7 months ago
My boyfriend is a gay Republican, and even I can't figure it out.
PainefulMass 7 months ago
Hands in the air if you love rage against the machine
turnitoffthenon 7 months ago
I think its much worse this time around. It seems like every single one of the republican hopefuls this year are batshit crazy about the religion thing. I don't remember McCain being that bad, Palin, yes though, and she seems to have become much much worse. I might have voted for him last election if I had been registered at the time, but I don't see any republican candidates for this election that I could even think about voting for right now.
TheEpisteme 7 months ago
Republican atheist here. I vote Republican to keep rich democrats out of office.
The faith based notion that Republicans are the party of billionaires is an old hat, when stats show the wealthy are split along the 2 party line. Half are Dems., half are Rep.s.
FaganRoberts 7 months ago
I'm an atheist and a republican and a southerner(if Florida counts). I have yet to decide upon a candidate or a party to support in this next election. Here's the thing: I'm not a single issue voter. I'm not super worried about my first amendment rights being violated because I trust our system to protect them. Yes, politicians fail to abide by the constituion on a regular basis, but the courts (when the issues come before them) seem to make the right decision most of the time...
SgtDICTION 7 months ago
@SgtDICTION I generally do not vote democrat because I'm not a huge fan of a lot of the social programs we have in this country. I also feel that many dems are selfish and borderline isolationist in regards to foreign policy. The same people that march in Darfur picket lines will say that social injustices in Afghanistan are none of our business. And just because I'm not rich does not mean that I cannot support and economic model that drives inovation and encourages education and hard work...
SgtDICTION 7 months ago
@SgtDICTION ...Perhaps it is not im my personal best interest at the moment, but I think it works. Am I for tax cuts for the rich? No. Breaks for the poor? No. Everyone should pay their fair share. If you don't like your socioeconomic status, do something to change it. We have economic mobility in this country, but if it was easy, everyone would do it. I hope this helps.
SgtDICTION 7 months ago
You look and sound quite a bit like Ray Liotta o_o
WolfGuyX 7 months ago
After seventeen seconds I have already had enough. What is the fucking point of aggressive piss-you-off music on a video with a message? I'll never discover what the message is, either in the music or the video.
Do you only want to communicate with people who have the same taste in music? Is everybody else's opinion worthless? That is what that musical choice says to me. It says fuck you.
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett There's a handy little mute button and the ability to fast forward. I use music during the credits for the same reason they do in movies and television. There's also always the option of just not watching. The lyrical content of 90% of the music I put in my videos is related to the topic at hand. I'll try and stick to the ambient effect next time just for you and use some Wagner or Tchaikovsky in my next vid. No...how about Chopin? You look like a Chopin guy. Thanks for watching!
cmfic36 7 months ago 11
@cmfic36 How about just giving the actual content without pretending that you're making a television program? We've hit the button ourselves, we know the show is about to start, we don't need a cue to sit down and shut up before the interesting stuff starts. We've hit the button because we want the interesting stuff to start. Now.
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett I dunno about you, but I had this sudden urge to murder my parents and bathe in their blood.
Or you could do what @cmfic36 said, fast forward through the part you don't like, watch the video, and stop whining.
aposticism 7 months ago
@aposticism Don't criticize. Don't comment. Get "a life" instead. Nah. Fuck that. I'd rather think for myself and tell it like I find it and never be cowed into silence by bullies.
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett I'm a bully because I suggested you skip to the part that you find relevant instead of listening to a song you don't get? Okay, princess.
And I can criticize and comment if I wish. You are welcome to "tell it like you find it" but don't be surprised if others find your thoughts whiney. cmfic36 makes videos the way he likes it. Though I would suggest his point of not watching if the music hurts your feelings that much...or, you know, has to make you think.
aposticism 7 months ago
@aposticism No, you're a bully because you are implying that caring about this issue enough to make a suggestion is whining and unmanly.
I would not have pressed the button to start the video if I was not interested in the subject, but the interest did not survive the wholly unnecessary musical onslaught. If people want to make videos which attract a minority and then fuck off some of them before they start their content then they are free to do so, as I am free to suggest that is a bad idea.
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett No, the unmanly part came when you started calling me a bully because you feel like I'm trying to "cow you into silence." Which isn't the case. Like I said, you're free to speak your mind, but if it's such a petty thing like the 15 seconds of music in the beginning, you're looking for reasons to bitch. If you're interested in the subject matter, get to the part where he talks about it and don't complain about the intro
aposticism 7 months ago
@aposticism You're still trying to shut me up and making disparaging comments about me.
As I have said several times I was interested in the subject but was thoroughly turned off it by the music. I can't imagine that I will be the only person to have that reaction. That is the only thing I have to say because I can't comment on what I'll never see.
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett I'm looking for the part where I said "shut up." Hm...I see "you're free to speak your mind..." OH you mean the part where I said "don't complain about the intro"? Yeah, because it's cmfic36's video and he can do whatever the hell he damn well pleases. Why complain about a music in the intro when you can scan over it and watch the relevant parts? Thus you've added nothing to the conversation on the video except "wah, I don't like the intro. Music is hard to understand."
aposticism 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett What's your fucking problem? All you ever do is spout your antagonistic opinions about multiculturalism. You are a bonafide nationalist; and you have the balls to accuse someone else of devaluing the opinions of others? You take from things what you want. So, if the the music gives you a big middle finger then I suggest you take your own and shove it right up your ass.
SgtDICTION 7 months ago
@SgtDICTION I have an opinion, every time somebody tells me to shut up I will repeat it.
As I have said many times I was interested in the subject but was thoroughly turned off it by the music. I can't imagine that I will be the only person to have that reaction.
Don't tell me to shut up again, anybody.
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett That's fine Martin except for the fact that you have contributed nothing to the topic of conversation that should be occurring here. Half the comments on this video are about a subject that is totally irrelevant. Perhaps I don't like your accent or the fact that you don't do videos so much as voiceovers, but you don't see me complaining about it because it misses the point and is thus a complete waste of time. At any rate, what's your opinion on the video?
SgtDICTION 7 months ago
@SgtDICTION I haven't watched the video, didn't I say?
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett You're just being a whiney bitch, dude. If you don't like the channel, don't watch it. I'm not going to change my video style that I've had for two years just because one boo-hooey asshat doesn't like Rage Against the Machine. To come in here like a spoiled little dick and start cursing at me for no fucking reason and then flood the comment thread with spam is outrageous. If the topic interested you as much as you say, you'd shut your fucking mouth and watch the video.
cmfic36 7 months ago
@cmfic36 I was interested in the subject in the title, that interest evaporated, as I said. If people don't want me to keep commenting they shouldn't comment on my comments.
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett You mad, bro?
TurkeyForSale 7 months ago
@TurkeyForSale No.
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett Do you have to have the same taste in music to listen to their opinion?
TheEpisteme 7 months ago
@TheEpisteme Why should it ever be an issue? Adding music to a political comment is completely unnecessary and counter-productive. If you are talking to a small slice of a minority of a minority you really would do well not to split your audience down any further by alienating anybody else.
All music is an attempt to manipulate people in some way and therefore we should always think whenever we hear music played AT us "what is this manipulative bastard trying to manipulate us into doing?"
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett Beethoven, what were you trying to tell me..? Bach, you too? Oh the betrayal. Oh wait, I'm not batshit insane.
TurkeyForSale 7 months ago
@TurkeyForSale Beethoven and Bach were playing music FOR you, there's a difference. This is playing music AT you. Nobody chose to click on a Rage Against The Machine video here, did they? People play music AT you to have an effect on you: to relax you so you will buy in their shop, to excite you, to anaesthetize you in an elevator, to alarm you as you watch images of sad polar bears, to turn you into a gibbering wreck as the villain emerges from the shadows etc.
Music is a drug. Just say no.
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett I don't think it should be an issue. They're his videos and he can play whatever music he wants in them. Why is that an issue? You don't have to watch them if you don't like it. Seems like you're thinking way too hard about some guy who gives his opinion on the internet, which you probably didn't ask for in the first place.
TheEpisteme 7 months ago
@TheEpisteme Of course he can play whatever he wants but if he puts a nine minute nose flute solo on the beginning he's going to have fewer viewers, isn't he? Similarly if he puts two minutes of rap or atonal jazz. And also with 17 (or however many it was) seconds of shouty-angry-white-boy music. Same effect, smaller dose. More people are likely to agree with the opinions than the musical choice, on almost any opinion video, regardless of the opinions or the music. So why bother?
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett because music is cool and most people like it
oneadamtwelve86 7 months ago
@oneadamtwelve86 Music is cool so more is better right? Give them fourteen and a half minutes of music and they'll really be happy and ready for your thirty seconds of content, yeah? Or cats, people like cats, especially kittens. Dancing kittens and shouty music and flashy colourful graphics. That will make any video better, won't it? Cool indeed. Or why not just go the whole hog and give people a few hours of Nyan Cat?
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett jesus fucking shit, you bitch more than any girl i know
oneadamtwelve86 7 months ago
@oneadamtwelve86 You are not grasping the concept here very well, are you? Every time somebody suggests that I have no right to have or express my opinion or my opinion isn't worth their consideration I express my opinion again. I suggest that anybody else who finds their opinions treated like this should do the same: refuse to be cowed and silenced by the forces of social conformity.
Political comment videos don't need musical introductions, they serve no purpose and satisfy no desire.
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett I agree with the music comment even though I like that song! The singer is native american and he speaks the truth about his people's past/history... Opinions are just that opinion, people don't have to listen and we don't have to stop using them. The only thing about opinions are that some are more relevant than others. Lets say I am under the opinion that the flying spaghetti monster is real. Would you listen to or respect that opinion?
therabbithole999 7 months ago
@therabbithole999 No. Opinions don't deserve respect, neither do beliefs. I respect people and their right to hold and express opinions but there is no reason for me to respect stupid opinions or pay any attention to them.
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett Why bother worrying about it? Seriously I think you're thinking way too hard about what one of countless atheist vloggers on youtube puts in his videos.
TheEpisteme 7 months ago
@TheEpisteme Why bother having a mind at all when you've got friends to think and decide things for you? Personally I feel better having and expressing my own views rather than a collective opinion and when somebody suggests I shouldn't express my opinion because it isn't the same as their friends' opinion I feel a desire to spread that opinion more widely. I have never wanted to be a part of a hive mind.
Relax. Chill. Conform.
No. Fuck that. Sideways.
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett So you're exercising your contrarian critical thinking skills by criticising the music that some guy puts in his 5 minute youtube clips that he makes in his apartment? Thats like going to some pizza shop that 50 people eat at and telling them they use the wrong kind tomatoes for their sauce and insisting that everyone in town hear you say it. Opinions are great but some of them are banal and others are important. Guess which kind your opinion on this guy's music is.
TheEpisteme 7 months ago
@TheEpisteme Don't you think it might be a good idea to allow people to discuss the content of this video rather than discuss me expressing my opinions? I've said all I have to say and I'll be quite content not to have another comment to reply to. But on the other hand I have been known to keep a pissing contest going for several years, the ball's in your court, you could just let it go and pretend you thought it was out.
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
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arsenelupin123 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett
are you really complaining about the music? yep you're a troll.
Dudeatheist 7 months ago
@Dudeatheist I made a point about music and now I'm making a point about free speech and not being bullied into silence or into the approved positions of the flock. I am not a troll, I am a free thinker who is prepared to express my thoughts and defend them against those who try to silence originality of thought. Are you proud of your efforts to silence me with shame and playground taunts?
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett obvious troll is obvious
Trips1103 7 months ago
@Trips1103 Have you ever had an original thought? Do you want to ask your friends first?
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett That is one of the best "let me throw some shit against a wall and see what sticks" replies I've gotten in a while. Unfortunately for the host you are at the very least a humorous troll.
Trips1103 7 months ago
@MartinJWillett Are you serious? Just because a person puts music in their video it does not indicate anything about the person. Just because a song is in a video it does not mean that the person that created the video likes the music. It definitely does not mean that the person is saying that all other opinions are useless.
Chaoitcme 7 months ago
@Chaoitcme Have I said otherwise? I said music can and does stop people watching videos that, up until that moment, they had wanted to watch. If annoying people with music is more important than the message why bother with the message? Just play annoying music on your phone on the bus.
MartinJWillett 7 months ago
Not to dehumanize republicans, but, I'm still trying to figure out how any real human being with a healthy sense of honesty and humanity can vote republican.
PixeIIe 7 months ago 17
@PixeIIe They can't, because all republicans have issues, mostly greed and xenophobia. Even libertarians have severe anti authority issues and some messed up idea that the free market solves all problems perfectly. You are witnessing evolution of the human brain in progress. Size of the amygdalia (Fear Response) vs amount of gray matter (complex problem solving).
Shyhalu 7 months ago
@PixeIIe
The republican party is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Mectrixctic 7 months ago
@PixeIIe Ask Christopher Hitchens. He voted for Bush.
ljietuvis 7 months ago
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@PixeIIe I think you ARE trying to dehumanize republicans
AMilitantAgnostic 7 months ago
Also when it comes to the deficit, I don't know how tax cuts will help that cause. How do you pay something off by not paying it? Sure you can cut social programs off (and hurt alot of people in the process) but that's just roughly 10% of what taxes go to from the research I gathered from google. So that only fixes 10% of the deficit. Again, really doesn't help the cause.
melowar78 7 months ago 3
Republicans have a lousy track record when it comes to being "fiscally conservative." (Reagen, Bush) I don't know why or how conservative atheists would miss seeing this. And I think they stand for more government control over people lives. When Republicans talk about tax cuts, they're not talking about tax cuts for the majority. Good inquiry! I will be waiting for the responses myself.
melowar78 7 months ago 3
im a registered republican due to my fiscal conservative nature, and no, i wouldnt vote for any of the candidates you mentioned (although my leanings are more moderate overall). ron paul would get my vote, but i typically vote for 3rd party candidates anyway.
thaterp 7 months ago
For me, the defining fault-line of our time is conservatism v. liberalism, broadly speaking, rather than atheism v. Christianity. I'm an atheist but immigration, border security, suicidal free trade policies, the raging debt/deficit, the rise of China, and coal seam gas drilling on farms concern me WAY more than Christians do. I'm Australian, not American, and we're not so religious down here but still I'd guess many atheist Americans feel similar.
xntubes 7 months ago
@xntubes Again, trading a civil right/liberty that involves free thought isn't worth all of the other political goodies that a certain party may offer. At least not for me.
cmfic36 7 months ago 2
@cmfic36 It's a question of priorities. Who is the bigger enemy to fear? Which bogey man is actually likely to materialise? I'm far more worried about America's economic and subsequent military decline. A world where China is a superpower who can do whatever they like scares the bejesus out of me. Comparatively, Christians are not even on my radar. The likelihood that Christians will do something to constrain us atheists is very low. And if they did we could just work around it.
xntubes 7 months ago
@xntubes We owe China too much money for them to bomb us away. America spends 500x more on the military then any other country and is the #1 reason the deficit is out of control. Despite this and the republicans "concerns" about the deficit, they still want MORE military spending. Many even want to start another war with Iran. Its fucking ridiculous.
melowar78 7 months ago
@melowar78 I'm not worried about China bombing America, I'm worried about them invading Australia where I live and the USA not saving us because it is economically neutered or demographically ruled by non-whites who have no affinity with us.
Yes, all your wars in Islamic countries are totally futile. Islam is not compatible with freedom or democracy and it is insane to have anything to do with those countries (except for disabling their capacity to do harm).
xntubes 7 months ago
Republicans like Romney focus more on business and less on civil rights issues than a Rick Perry or George W. Bush would. Democrats have the worst history of taking away civil rights or opposing them. John Kerry wrote the most egregious portions of the Patriot Act. Obama is taking away many of our choices on health care through his Affordable Care Act. It is Democrats pushing to take away gun ownership rights. Look closely at hate crime legislation and see what free thought is allowed.
74BobLilly 7 months ago
@cmfic36 I will be honest I voted GOP despite the religious stupidity in the party...For "economic reasons". However, this was the early 90's & I was young fresh out of the USAF. I know the GOP is the party responsible for most of the debt this country has, it cares nothing about the environment, Veterans, middle class & its economic policies are pure BS as well. I am almost certain folks who claim they vote GOP for "economic reasons" are "inFOXicated" from too much FOX "News" & Talk Radio!!
Viracocha711 7 months ago
@xntubes
Yeah Australia doesn't have nearly the Christianity problem that America has. Think the middle east, only with Jesus instead of Mohammad. The only thing keeping them from enforcing Mosaic law is the first amendment.
Dudeatheist 7 months ago
@Dudeatheist
The world needs a cleansing of these inhuman religious idiots, everyone is just waiting for someone like you to step forward and offer up a workable solution to these religious fucking swine! Really these vultures just need to be removed from any position of power - before they force convert us and our children!
Cleanse the world of religion by any means necessary, save our children and our freedoms - live free or die!
AMilitantAgnostic 7 months ago
Number one like, YEE-AH!
MrZeroTerrorRide 7 months ago