i completely agree animals have rights to a certain degree but there needs to be a line drawn in the sand to threaten violence against other humans just to save animals is disgusting, these people are pretentious fucking idiots id like to see them try stop some hunters
Con't: As for this group of people, yeah, again using criminal means and harassment is not going to bring legitimacy to their side. At the same time, these people typically believe that what they are doing is right and are just engaging in "civil disobedience" in order to give rights to animals. While I think animals should have rights, the definition of "rights" can be debated and is a moral issue. The tactics they are using are just dispicable.
So, I really feel like putting these chemicals in animals is horrible, but I do acknowledge that it has advanced research for humans. So I am not going to be intellectually dishonest: I admit that there is a see-saw of a moral delema here that I personally cannot claim an answer to. I don't want to hurt animals, but I also have benefited from animal testing...At this point I hope that we have reached a point where testing on animals can be decreased...
WOW I am an animal rights advocate, but the tactics that these groups have used are COMPLETELY unacceptable and it's embarrassing to be lumped together with them. Disgusting. But as far as animal testing is concerned, I prefer the term "animal research." I do acknowledge and appreciate the advancements due to animal testing, but sometimes even apes are forced to take toxic chemicals in order to advance "science". Animal testing is even done for makeup and cosmetics...(Con't)
So, this is Operation Rescue, only for animals instead of fetuses?
Do you think we could somehow manipulate these people to go to war with Operation Rescue, and then the two of 'em could leave all the good sane people alone?
Their site reminds me of the anti-abortion sites. an abortion doctor is murdered by one of their supporters and they deny it had anything to do with them posting full information and photos of the doctor on the site.
The disclaimer is meaningless, they are promoting the use of violence and giving people targets
IMO animal testing should be limited to medical research, and be done as little and as humanely as possible. Cosmetic tests should be banned.
I hope science will find alternative methods soon. But until then we'll need animal testing, unfortunately.
Animal rights activists who use intimidation and violence, threaten people, damage property and cause environmental damage by releasing exotic lab-animals in nature, are terrorists.Their fanaticism turned good intentions into evil deeds. Sad.
@62netty Indeed, I am totally against using animals for anything other than medical research. To me it's the only field which warrants testing on another animal.
I had an acquaintance back in the 80's who was convicted of basically terrorists acts - he caused massive damage to a seafood store by setting it on fire - he was also convicted at the same time for breaking into the UofA animal research labs destroying a bunch of lab equipment and spray painting animal activist propaganda all over the walls - what a fucktard . . . haven't seen his face since.
People kill mice every day with traps that make them suffer all the time. What's so bad with shooting them up with drugs that get them high? Hell, that's doing them a god damned favor. Any other rodent testing is perfectly fine! I go so far as to say test on rabbits. I have to draw the line at primates unless we know that the person pushing the drug is willing to take it themselves. I've taken DOZENS of unapproved pharmaceuticals, but I know them inside and out beforehand.
i completely agree animals have rights to a certain degree but there needs to be a line drawn in the sand to threaten violence against other humans just to save animals is disgusting, these people are pretentious fucking idiots id like to see them try stop some hunters
lifeisaliewithoutaf 3 months ago
Con't: As for this group of people, yeah, again using criminal means and harassment is not going to bring legitimacy to their side. At the same time, these people typically believe that what they are doing is right and are just engaging in "civil disobedience" in order to give rights to animals. While I think animals should have rights, the definition of "rights" can be debated and is a moral issue. The tactics they are using are just dispicable.
fruitikay 4 months ago
So, I really feel like putting these chemicals in animals is horrible, but I do acknowledge that it has advanced research for humans. So I am not going to be intellectually dishonest: I admit that there is a see-saw of a moral delema here that I personally cannot claim an answer to. I don't want to hurt animals, but I also have benefited from animal testing...At this point I hope that we have reached a point where testing on animals can be decreased...
fruitikay 4 months ago
WOW I am an animal rights advocate, but the tactics that these groups have used are COMPLETELY unacceptable and it's embarrassing to be lumped together with them. Disgusting. But as far as animal testing is concerned, I prefer the term "animal research." I do acknowledge and appreciate the advancements due to animal testing, but sometimes even apes are forced to take toxic chemicals in order to advance "science". Animal testing is even done for makeup and cosmetics...(Con't)
fruitikay 4 months ago
So, this is Operation Rescue, only for animals instead of fetuses?
Do you think we could somehow manipulate these people to go to war with Operation Rescue, and then the two of 'em could leave all the good sane people alone?
OgreVI 5 months ago
i am very pro animal testing. good vid
BespokeGroupUK 5 months ago
Their site reminds me of the anti-abortion sites. an abortion doctor is murdered by one of their supporters and they deny it had anything to do with them posting full information and photos of the doctor on the site.
The disclaimer is meaningless, they are promoting the use of violence and giving people targets
Scarletpooky 5 months ago
"their beliefs wil curiously vanish while they get the treatment they need"
I heard that the head of PETA has a condition (can't remember what exactly) and the treatment for it is something developed with animal testing
I can hear the ecsues now "ofc I can use it, I need to stay alive so I can fight for the animals"
Scarletpooky 5 months ago
@Scarletpooky I believe it's the vice-president who has diabetes, and insulin was discovered through animal research.
StanMarsh1 5 months ago
Right? I mean, where is the limit then? Are they so compassionate with animals that are willing to live with fleas, ticks and lice on? Hmm?
Let parasites roam, rodents spread and viruses bloom.
I don´t think so...and if that´s the case you should live in the forest, naked and live in herds with other extremists.
*sighs* Don´t they realize the sole impact that their community, or where they live has caused to what once was virgin land? Hypocrits I say
ScuderiaProdrive 5 months ago
Great post.
I know a vegetarian for 'ethical' reasons. He eats eggs and cheese. This is ethics fail.
But NIA who place human rights below animal is epic fail. Humans are animals too!
calmreason 5 months ago
IMO animal testing should be limited to medical research, and be done as little and as humanely as possible. Cosmetic tests should be banned.
I hope science will find alternative methods soon. But until then we'll need animal testing, unfortunately.
Animal rights activists who use intimidation and violence, threaten people, damage property and cause environmental damage by releasing exotic lab-animals in nature, are terrorists.Their fanaticism turned good intentions into evil deeds. Sad.
62netty 5 months ago
@62netty Indeed, I am totally against using animals for anything other than medical research. To me it's the only field which warrants testing on another animal.
StanMarsh1 5 months ago
People like that are why I put bacon bits in Hummus .
Darkfirebrand 5 months ago
I had an acquaintance back in the 80's who was convicted of basically terrorists acts - he caused massive damage to a seafood store by setting it on fire - he was also convicted at the same time for breaking into the UofA animal research labs destroying a bunch of lab equipment and spray painting animal activist propaganda all over the walls - what a fucktard . . . haven't seen his face since.
rictusgate 5 months ago
People kill mice every day with traps that make them suffer all the time. What's so bad with shooting them up with drugs that get them high? Hell, that's doing them a god damned favor. Any other rodent testing is perfectly fine! I go so far as to say test on rabbits. I have to draw the line at primates unless we know that the person pushing the drug is willing to take it themselves. I've taken DOZENS of unapproved pharmaceuticals, but I know them inside and out beforehand.
bamboo4tameshigiri 5 months ago
Great video. Extremists - whatever their cause are totally unacceptable, these kinds of tactics are disgusting.
trifelgeputinage 5 months ago