Time for Action 2

[nyc4animals]

HLS - SHUT THEM DOWN!

[XlacusX]

fucking HLS!!!go to hell!!!FREE THE ANIMALS!

[Ghorghor]

Burn HLS and other vivisection laboratory!!

[XlacusX]

HLS sucks!!!

[Ghorghor]

Fight HLS and all cruelty against animals!!

[greendevil98]

-----Please read the whole comment------

hhmmm I believe in animal rights and fair treatment before death and I do believe in slaughtering as long as it's done in a humane practice but I do not believe in mutilation/animal testing. But the reason why they (the gov.) calls the ALF terrorist at least the only I would call them terrorist is because they destroy computers? and other rooms that don't even have animals in them... now am I wrong for believing this and why?

[TheHolcaneTavern]

greendevil - yeah , you`re wrong. If somebody tortured and murdered my dog, I`d have no problem putting a hammer through their computer! There`s only one side in this battle who are terrorists, and it ISN`T the animal liberation front!

[greendevil98]

their extremist if anything and if it means so much do something like I did.

[TheHolcaneTavern]

Thank f*ck for extremists then!!! Smash HLS!!!!!!!!

[greendevil98]

become one then :)

[studywar]

no one is forcing u to stop listening to the government bs propaganda then.

[nvisionuk]

the computer monitor is a material object. the lives of the animals they rescue are worth more than a stupid lump of plastic and metal.

[kalachnikof]

It is necessary to finish it good time for quite with the vivisection.go A.L.F  smash H.L.S!!!!!!

[sirrom27]

great video

[PC12345]

Well you are blind,arsehole!

[icemakk]

I see a lot of shit disturbers, tresspassers and vandals with no message. You guys need jobs.

[veganbex]

If we are trespassing, so were the soldiers who broke down the gates of Hitler's death camps. If we are thieves, so were the members of the Underground Railroad who freed the slaves of the South. And if we are vandals, so were those who destroyed forever the gas chambers of Buchenwald and Auschwitz.

Need i say more?

SMASH HUNTINGDON LIFE SCIENCES.

[ALFJAG]

Brilliant response veganbex

[Elvenass]

How can you compare youself to some of the finest men in the our whole history?! All you do is scream, yell and tretten people. People like you make animallovers that fight verbaly sick!

[CarolX2]

Elvenass, it's obvious you no nothing about the civil rights movement. Perhaps you should search for some videos here on youtube for protests that even happen after MLK and Malcolm X speeches. It's called protestting. It's happened throughout history and ALWAYS brought change.

[CarolX2]

Also, I find it ironic that you call yourself an "animal lover" and you have no comments about the images of animal abuse shown and you care about people yelling. *Applause* Good work. You're an asshole.

[CarolX2]

Haha, yeah, it's also clear that icemakk didn't have a good comback. lol!

[Elvenass]

And what you are protesting against is not the thoughts of equal worth of people like they did, your fighting against people. Do you think they took the job to hurt animals?

When i protest i fight for the people of this earth, i fight for the survival of that of gods children. I think its disgusting how you can protest against food with all the starvation in the world.

[CarolX2]

Lord almighty, no, they are fighting for the equal treatment of animals, not people. The point is that the thinking used to justify sexism, racism and etc is the thinking you use to eat and kill animals. You essentially think because you are a different species (human) you are better. There is no logic supporting this reasoning, just like sexism and racism. I don't see animals as food because they aren't inanimate objects. They have pain, pleasure, love and etc. The same as humans.

[Elvenass]

They are not protesting, They are destroying buildings, beat upp people and flip over cars. Half of them probly dont even know what they are fighting against. And we have eaten animals sins the day we where made. Not because we love animals screeming, but because we want the food. We nead the proteins in meat, proteins we cant get from soyabeans or other vegetables.

[CarolX2]

Um, no one in the video is doing any of what you said above. No one apart of SHAC has ever hurt a human. Ever. Sorry sweetheart, but you obviously know nothing about diet either. You don't need the protein in meat. In fact, there is MORE protein in soybeans then there is in fish, beef and etc. There are numerous studies that say being vegan is actually HEALTHEIR than eating meat since meat is linked to all sorts of cancer. Would you like some links?

[CarolX2]

Also, we have not ate meat since the day you were made. Not according to evolution and not according to the bible. Darwin was a vegetarian and felt that we could not compete with meat eating animals. In the bible humans didn;t eat meat until after sin.

[Elvenass]

Acording to evelution we learned to eat meat, yes. But so did everything else to. Why shal we be diferent.

And andam and eve lived in paradice, eden. Because we where kicked out we coudent feed from the fruit on the trees of eden, so we started eating meat.

[CarolX2]

"Acording to evelution we learned to eat meat, yes. But so did everything else to. Why shal we be diferent."

According to that argument you can learn to be vegan then, just like everything else. Why should you be different? Well, if you are against the cruelty, suffering, killing and etc of animals then it seems only logical. As for the Adam and Eve thing, I know that. My point is that god created us to be vegetarians. You should try to be in the original image God made us in.

[Elvenass]

Why shall we dont kill animals? If we do it in a human way its no problem. They wont know that they are going to die and they wont feel a thing. For me, this is not a problem and im aganist cruelty, suffering and pain in animals.

And god dient creat us to be vegans. If he had he wouldent have given ous power of the animals, he would have given it as a comandment to moses and havent given ous order to sacrefise animlas in his name.

[CarolX2]

For the same reasons you don't kill humans. Why don't you kill humans?

"They wont know that they are going to die and they wont feel a thing."

Actually they DO know when they're going to die. This is why slaughter houses are built with a curved ramp so that the animals don't see what's ahead of them. Also, what do you mean they don't feel a thing? They use a bolt gun to their head, slit their throat and stomach, pull out their organs and then skin them.

[CarolX2]

A lot of the animals are still alive while this happens. Their lives are even worse while alive. Maybe you should check out some factory farming videos or slaughter videos if you are really thinking they don't feel a thing.

Referring to animal sacrifices,

"They love sacrifice, they sacrifice flesh and eat it, but the Lord has no delight in them." (Hosea 8:13)

[Elvenass]

Yeah, but the lord says that sacreficing is good if you do it for the love of god.

And i have never said that i am ahppy how the animals die. I only eat meath with a sertan stamp here in sweden that can only be accured after a long examination of the slauther and living facilitys and i fight for every slauther house to be like that.

[CarolX2]

You're still supporting animal cruelty. Perhaps you should look up the definition of "cruelty". Either way, you're still okay with slaughtering God's creatures and you still haven't come up with one good argument as to why you should eat meat.

[Elvenass]

No, have you lissend a bit atleast. Your locking at this so black or white yor arguments look like their from a movie from the mid 30th!

Im okay eating gods animals because god intended ous to do this. He gave ous the animals so that we could eat them. And cruelty are something that could only be done to something ALIVE!

[Elvenass]

And we still nead the proeteins that several hig postitioned doctors and dietists have say that we nead and doesent exisist att all in vedgetebels. Im not going to live in a weaked state because some people think that a cow that dies unaware of its destiny is wrong.

[Elvenass]

We want to live a good life like everything ells on this planet and i dont think a cow dont give jack shit if it lives on a farm for 5 years and then die in a mater of a second by geting a metall bar trough its brain. Sexism and racism where inlocial but feeding isent. And animals die, thats the way of nature. What are your future assignment, feeding tigers with carrots?

[CarolX2]

Actually, cows do give jack shit. Cows feel love just like humans (they release the hormone oxytocin, which is the way we can prove humans feel love for their children and etc). They also have a limbic system, which scientists consider to be the reason we feel emotions and have abstract thoughts. Actually, racism and sexism IS apart of nature. It's called survival of the fittest. You know what else is natural? Abortion, murder and etc.

[Elvenass]

But a cow dosent give jack shit abaout the future. Yes, it fight for survival but that doesnt cound because its a primal instinkt. A cow probeby doesnt know that is day nore night and dont give a crap. It sleeps when its tired, it eats when its hungry and have sex when the time comes.

And if we go after "evolutuion" it should be clear to you that we evelud on the way. Theirfore we fight to get rid of murder and other unplesent things. Acording do evelution we havent reached our top yet.

[CarolX2]

Same with infants. Infants aren't self aware until the age of 2. Doesn't give us the right to murder them though, right? And all of the above are all instincts humans have as well. You're still missing the point though. Rights are based upon similar interests. Both humans and animals have the interest in avoiding suffering, thus both should be giving the right to avoid that suffering.

[CarolX2]

We didn't evolve along the way to eat meat. In fact, we've evolved to have a much lower intolerance for meat. This is why we have different teeth, digestive system, jaw and etc then other omnivores. Yet you aren't fighting to get rid of the "unpleasant" murder of animals.

[Elvenass]

Our teath are saped as a hyena. We have powerfull jaws that can crush bones, teath that are pointy (not as a tiger, but still pointy), we have a set o pointy teath directy to the side of the point teath and other things pointing towards us eating meat.

And air doestrys the ody, did you know that? Oxygen affects the cells and causes them to break down. But we still breath, why? Because we nead it fr survival.

[CarolX2]

LOL! Seriously, we don't have anything like a hyena. I think you're talking about our canine teeth. Our canine teeth are shorter than carnivores and omnivores. Our canine teeth also aren't curved, like theirs. Our canine teeth cannot tear through flesh, but are most likely there for defensive, like the Great Apes that are vegetarian.

[CarolX2]

So what? Air and cells don't feel. Also, we don;t need meat for our survival.

[Elvenass]

Yes, if we want to live heahy and dont live on beans, pills and strikt diets.

[CarolX2]

No, I'm vegan and I don't take ANY supplements and I've had my blood tested and all my protein, B12 levels and etc were all normal. Also, you should also know there's more protein in soy then there is in meat. Look up the video how its made tofu.

[Elvenass]

Their are several diefent proetins in this world. The mayor that we nead to survive exist in both meat and soy. But several proetins that are specialised to the purpose of musclebildning and streanth to the muscles only exist in meat. You can live fin only on vedgetebels but it will be 30 times harder to gain heathy pounds and build muscles.

[Elvenass]

Great apes and other gorrila animals have been seen eating other apes and animals. They are like us maseaters. And our teath, acording towards your evelution, are still evolving, but because we cook and prepare the meat we dont ned rasor sharp teeth to eat.

[CarolX2]

Cannibalism is never a natural diet for any species. The only species that eat their own kind or eat outside their diet do so because they live in unnatural environment. Why do you think humans cooked meat in the first place? There are worms in uncooked meat and we don't hve strong enough stomach acid.

[Elvenass]

You realy think thats the reason? Do you realy think caveman know abaut the damaging that the worms did? No, they dident. But if you cooked the meat it would be more tender, easy to eat and more tasty.

[Elvenass]

Infants can learn and thats what are the diference. Even if you try you wont give the cow the power to feal time or have the desire of future.

And yes, they shall avoid suffering but we sould still be abel to kill them for the purpose of food in a human way.

[CarolX2]

No, that's not the difference. Potentiality does not equal practicality. For example, Barack Obama has the potential to become president, but this does not grant him the rights of the president. Also, I'm not sure what time has to do with the right to life.

[CarolX2]

"And yes, they shall avoid suffering but we sould still be abel to kill them for the purpose of food in a human way."

Why? Based on their intelligence? Also, there is no such thing as a humane slaughter. That's an oxymoron.

[Elvenass]

Based on if they can feal time or not.

Their is a thing as human killing. If a cow dosent know whats comming and die before they know whats going on do you realy think they dies in pain? NO! And what hapens after that the cow dosent feal because its already dead.

[CarolX2]

What the fuck does "feeling time" have anything to do with if slaughtering an animal is unethical? Uh, yeah, duh! The slicing of the throat and stomach cause pain. That's how they slaughter ALL animals.

[Elvenass]

Yeah, but you wont get it. Im not for that kind of treatment. Arguing to you is like arguing to a wal, you wont lissen. I have never said i want to hurt the animals, i have said that i nead their meet for food and i beleav in human killing of the animals.

[Elvenass]

The thing of fealing time is the thing that seperates ous from tyhe animals. We have the same atributes, we can both feal pain and we both have to reproduct. But a human have a nother thing that seperates ous and have given ous what we have totad. We have a sense of time. We fell the bast and the fúture, a cow dosent. If a cow would do this it would thing logical and would fear to go into the sluther house.

[Elvenass]

What you se in those picures are dogs being misstreatet, yes. I want to close down annything hurting gods creatures for the sake of materialism, but violece without even trying to have a civil talk is as bad as the shit they do! Who pays for the destruction of the tings you destroy? Yes, the taxpayers and animals that being misstreatet.

[CarolX2]

No, I think you made it pretty clear you do support dogs being mistreated since you didn't mention it was wrong and spoke out against the people who want to stop that mistreatment. And no, that's ridiculous. BILLIONS of animals are killed a year for the pleasure of people like you. Punching dogs in the face (and that isn't even the worst of it) is of no comparison to people yelling in a protest.

[CarolX2]

Also, you think they haven't tried "civil talk"? Shows how much you know about protesting in general. You think they like shouting, getting arrested, having their phones tapped and even worse, police beatings? Wow, good one. These people are murderers. If this was any other cause (like someone who kills humans) I hope you wouldn;t use this argument.

[CarolX2]

"Humans and animals are equal and mankind has no advantage over the beasts." (Eccles. 3:19)

Obviously you don't agree with this scripture or believe in treating God's creatures as equal.

[CarolX2]

I forgot to also mention, the bigger the protest and more "violence" (and I mean against property, not people) helps animals. Firstly, HLS has been convicted numerous times of animal cruelty charges by the government yet they stay in business. Protesting (just like it has throughout history) puts pressure on the government to change. "Violent" protests gain a lot of publicity they wouldn't gain otherwise

[CarolX2]

since the media is paid billions of dollars by the meat, pharmaceutical and etc industries. The more people hear about the abuse, the more people will boycott the products, thus less animals will be tested on. Additionally, they will close down the lab if there is a "violent" protest. Obviously, this means less suffering the animals have to endure, even if it's for a day.

[Elvenass]

If martin luthur king had gone the way of violence we wouldent have a equal socity that we had today. Violence brings more violence. You destry propity, they hire guards, you fight the guards, they fight you, you trow things at the guards and one day a pulet will be fired. And the next thing you know is that you have a dead person on you hands, a inocent life because you wouldent talk like a person and degraded yourself to go to their level.

[CarolX2]

He WAS considered a terrorist and has an FBI file. He was FOR direct action against property. I'll let you look that up on wikipedia or something like that. The protestors ONLY throw things after the cops get physically violent and violate their right to protest. No one likes getting cops to hit them over the head and shoot.

[Elvenass]

M.L.K where never for destruction of propert or violence. Thats why he is so rememberd, because he, like jesus forgave thos who hated him and tryed to reason with them. And what do you think a cop should do if you try to rush a building that they prorect, lett you trouh? Its nothing personal, its their JOB! Honest man and women trying to make a living. Violence is never the answer!

[CarolX2]

Ok, I got this off of wikipedia:

"King was an adherent of the philosophies of nonviolent civil disobedience"

Do you know what non-violent disobedience is? It's doing illegal actions that don't hurt people. Would you like the picture of him from jail?

[Elvenass]

What part of NONVIOLENT dont you get? Nonviolent means that you dont do ANT violens at all, not against property, animal or man. It means that you dont youse you fists but you youse your mouth to talk to the other person/persons. And what martin luther did where he stod against the rulse withour violence like gandih and thats what he is rememerd from. HE where the better person.

[CarolX2]

No, that's not necessarily true. Most people don't consider it violent if I punch a brick wall. Why? Because it's an object. MLK (and gandhi) had no problem with attacking property, as long as people didn't get hurt. Also, look on wikipedia to see what non-violent disobedience is. You're still having a hard time understanding.

[Elvenass]

MKL and gandhi ad problems with this. They both said that destroying objekts wouldent solv annything but only make other people angrier. And nonviolent disobedeant means that you are disobeduiant against something witout yousing any form of violens. Both gandih and MLK where this and never EVER said that violence could be right. Thats exaktil what a pasifist is.

[Elvenass]

Ahh, this is just stupid. We wont get ennywhere with this argumentation. Good bye

[Elvenass]

" And god said: I shal make man of my image. They shall control all the fishes, all the birds, all the cattle, all the whild animals and all the crawling animals that exist on this earth" (genesis 1:26)

(sorry if its not exaktly correct but my bible is in swedish)

[CarolX2]

So what are you saying? You don't agree with God's own word? Thou shalt not kill?

[Elvenass]

Thou shal not kill appys to the fact of self pleasure or to aanother human beeing.

If you kill a animal for because you think its funny you have commited a sin. But if you kill a animal for the fact of food you have not comited a sin.

[CarolX2]

"Thou shal not kill appys to the fact of self pleasure or to aanother human beeing.

If you kill a animal for because you think its funny you have commited a sin. But if you kill a animal for the fact of food you have not comited a sin."

According to what? Only to you.

[Elvenass]

How can you see everything so black or white? I dont support dogabuse or anny other animla misstreatment. But destroying things and beating upp people is not the we to stop it! You are maikng it worse by making them look like the victims! And i dont eat meat for the pleasure, but for my survival. And have i said that killing animals and protesting are the same? NO!

[CarolX2]

Yes, you do support it by PAYING for it. You pay slaughter houses to take calves away from their mothers, artificially inseminate them, keep them in enclosed spaces and then kill them. The same with animal testing. No, you don't eat meat for your survival. Are you saying it's impossible to survive without meat? Because I'm living proof, so if half of India and so is a lot of China.

[Elvenass]

Thats like saying you suport war by paying taxes. Bad example.

Im saying that i wont live in a weaken state becuase of a animal that realy doesnt se the death coming and dy hapy (if you slauther it according to laws set up by the government and not take exsaples from tibet.)

[CarolX2]

No, that's different because you have no choice in paying taxes. With eating meat, you do. If you found out that a product you had been buying came from slave labor would you stop buying it? And no, unfortunately the animal does not die happy. I'm going to give you a brief description of the life of a chicken, cow and pig, okay? Once again. you can look up videos on this as well.

[CarolX2]

Chickens: The beginning (this isn't graphic):

Look up How Its Made Hatchery Chicks

After this, the males are sent to slaughter houses, where they are kept in battery cages stuffed with other chickens, over fed food to fatten them up and then slaughtered. This gives the chickens stress and they usually develop pecking disorders, which creates wounds all over their bodies. The female chickens go through the same, except they are starved because it produces more eggs.

[CarolX2]

With cows and pigs, they are kept in small crates so small they can't stretch their own body. The mother cows and pigs have to nurse their babies though bars. The babies are then separated completely from the mothers and sent to become veal. Cows are artifically inseminated over and over again so they keep giving birth and keep producing milk. They are milked by hooking them up to milking machines. This hurts their body because no animal is meant to lactate and give birth that much.

[CarolX2]

Imagine how that would feel on your body. Breast feeding aleady hurts enough, but there is usually less pain because mothers release oxytocin when nursing their babies. Cows can tell the difference between their calves and a machine, thus it hurts their body much more. They usually get pus because it hurts so much. Then they're sent to slaughter.

[Elvenass]

Yes you have, you can allways skip it and cheat on you taxpayments.

And if i found out that i would stop eating that. And a description you will send are from a unotherised, illegal, slauthinghouse that youses inhuman ways to slauther the animals. If you have ever seen a real slautherhouse that works according to the lawm you would know why i still ate meat.

[CarolX2]

"Yes you have, you can allways skip it and cheat on you taxpayments."

Only if you like prison.

What, you think the sluaghter houses are going to let you in? Actually, what I described above is all permitted by the law. Animals, if used for food, are not protected by the Animal Welfare Act. What, you think they're going to let them in to see them slaughter animals? What are you, in Disney land?

[Elvenass]

As i have said before, i dont aggrea with the misstreathemnt that some slautherhouses have and i only eat fron those who are inspected and marked with a sertent sticker. In sweden we have aour own laws to protect the animals and not stat laws like in america.

[CarolX2]

What oart of what I described above was cruel to you?

[Ghorghor]

You laugh, its all you know to do, stupid coward!!

I hate boy like you, who havent any mind!!gO TO HELL!

And good answer veganbex.

[ALFJAG]

great vid SMASH HLS!

[sirrom27]

my favourate bit is 3:10 in,that guy is dedicated

[Ligar250]

That's Kevin Jonas, the lead singer of Goldfinger wrote a song for him, he is now in jail

[CarolX2]

Yeah, I agree. I wonder why they spelled his name wrong though. His last name is really spelled Kjonaas, not Jonas.