Damn...all black musicians! WTF? How about the trumpeters that blow you, jon F. away? Maynard Ferguson, Cat Anderson, Bill Chase, Harry James, Maurice Andre, Rafael Mendez, Arturo Sandoval, Chet Baker.....oh yeah, all but one are not blacks so they don't exist, right dawg? ya'mean?
@yourbrassinstructor I really hope you're kidding. He isn't a racist or anything like that at all. He's open to anything man. I know him personally, actually I talked to him earlier tonight, so I'm not talking out of my rear end here. Not to mention jazz was a predominantly black art form back in the time frame he's referring to. By the way, Bix Beiderbecke was white.
@scrmtrumpet Well, I hope you are right. I love clifford. I don't really love Miles, but I read his autobiography and respect him from his hard road he traveled. I love Louis. And if someone asked me about players that influenced me, you would hear a mix up various trumpeters....not 99% white dudes! However, How could John leave out bud brisbois and maynard and doc and harry ....dizzy had the fast fingers and a little range, but Jon surely heard Ferguson, Chase, James, Brisbois, right??????????
@yourbrassinstructor Trust me man he's definitely not racist. When I first met him it was at a dinner with a jazz band that was entirely white and he was havin a ball with them all. Who knows why de didn't name them. He has a very specific style that a lot of the players you named, as amazing as they are, don't really fall into so maybe he wasn't heavily influenced by them. Again, who knows. Either way, he's a great guy as long as you can deal with an extremely dry sense of humor haha
@BlacknesUnforgivable Many black jazz musicians are very good, but always keep in mind where 90% or more of the standards they play come from....white composers like Gershwin, Rogers and Hammerstein, and many other white composers are responsible for almost the entire heap of standards i.e. ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE, MY FAVORITE THINGS, SUMMERTIME, et al...no white composers from the 1920's etc..= no standards for black players to get famous on! Now, let's move on to software and computers fu want!
@yourbrassinstructor Yes , JEWS(NOT WASP's) dominated in much of the early composing and song writing within Jazz because blacks were discriminated against by music publishing companies like the Tin Pan Alley for example.Still , you had early 20th century black composers like Joplin,Andy Razaf , Eubie Blake, Duke Ellington , etc etc who got lucky and were able to get their material published
@yourbrassinstructor (continued )So your assertion that Blacks would have no standards to play if it wernt for the jews is nonsense.The only "white" jazz composer that can even be named within the likes of Duke Ellington is Gershwin.
@scrmtrumpet oh yeah...ELECTRICITY was predominantly a white thing...as in Edison, right! BUT, we all use it...just like we all use, listen to jazz, pop, r&b, hip hop, electronica, etc...and on and on and on......
Damn...all black musicians! WTF? How about the trumpeters that blow you, jon F. away? Maynard Ferguson, Cat Anderson, Bill Chase, Harry James, Maurice Andre, Rafael Mendez, Arturo Sandoval, Chet Baker.....oh yeah, all but one are not blacks so they don't exist, right dawg? ya'mean?
yourbrassinstructor 4 months ago
@yourbrassinstructor I really hope you're kidding. He isn't a racist or anything like that at all. He's open to anything man. I know him personally, actually I talked to him earlier tonight, so I'm not talking out of my rear end here. Not to mention jazz was a predominantly black art form back in the time frame he's referring to. By the way, Bix Beiderbecke was white.
scrmtrumpet 4 months ago
@scrmtrumpet Well, I hope you are right. I love clifford. I don't really love Miles, but I read his autobiography and respect him from his hard road he traveled. I love Louis. And if someone asked me about players that influenced me, you would hear a mix up various trumpeters....not 99% white dudes! However, How could John leave out bud brisbois and maynard and doc and harry ....dizzy had the fast fingers and a little range, but Jon surely heard Ferguson, Chase, James, Brisbois, right??????????
yourbrassinstructor 4 months ago
@yourbrassinstructor Trust me man he's definitely not racist. When I first met him it was at a dinner with a jazz band that was entirely white and he was havin a ball with them all. Who knows why de didn't name them. He has a very specific style that a lot of the players you named, as amazing as they are, don't really fall into so maybe he wasn't heavily influenced by them. Again, who knows. Either way, he's a great guy as long as you can deal with an extremely dry sense of humor haha
scrmtrumpet 4 months ago
@yourbrassinstructor Stop bitching
Personally , i think black jazz musicians are usually better than white jazz musicians anyway
BlacknesUnforgivable 2 months ago
@BlacknesUnforgivable Many black jazz musicians are very good, but always keep in mind where 90% or more of the standards they play come from....white composers like Gershwin, Rogers and Hammerstein, and many other white composers are responsible for almost the entire heap of standards i.e. ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE, MY FAVORITE THINGS, SUMMERTIME, et al...no white composers from the 1920's etc..= no standards for black players to get famous on! Now, let's move on to software and computers fu want!
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@yourbrassinstructor Yes , JEWS(NOT WASP's) dominated in much of the early composing and song writing within Jazz because blacks were discriminated against by music publishing companies like the Tin Pan Alley for example.Still , you had early 20th century black composers like Joplin,Andy Razaf , Eubie Blake, Duke Ellington , etc etc who got lucky and were able to get their material published
BlacknesUnforgivable 2 months ago
@yourbrassinstructor (continued )So your assertion that Blacks would have no standards to play if it wernt for the jews is nonsense.The only "white" jazz composer that can even be named within the likes of Duke Ellington is Gershwin.
BlacknesUnforgivable 2 months ago
@scrmtrumpet oh yeah...ELECTRICITY was predominantly a white thing...as in Edison, right! BUT, we all use it...just like we all use, listen to jazz, pop, r&b, hip hop, electronica, etc...and on and on and on......
yourbrassinstructor 4 months ago
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@yourbrassinstructor Oh and one more thing, the end of your comment sounds more racist than anything I've ever heard Jon say.
scrmtrumpet 4 months ago
why would he ommit miles when listing all those great trumpet players?
gabrtrumpet 7 months ago
@gabrtrumpet He talks about miles at the end.
TheJazzSwings 7 months ago