SUK is unaesthetic. Don't know how it feels but it looks terrible. Very selfish. While sitting in the line up, they sweep outside the break line and absolutely ruin the view. Basically impossible to control in the impact zone. Dangerous to all. I'm trying to figure out how I can ride a shorter, lower volume surfboard.
If that,s 12 ft then I can,t imagine what you idea of 17 ft is. Where was this? my guess is cowells or old mans. You want to see a real closeout move to central cal.
Deleting reference to this post.......RoyStewart has shown him(her)self to be one hateful individual here and on other posts not of his(her) origin. Whilst lacking any intelligent comeback to his(her) clear prejudice is reason enough....the final straw for me is deleting intelligent posts that completely liquefy his(her) argument. LAME. Looking forward to spearing a 12 footer up your nasal cavity one day. MrPJD17 OUT.
@MrPJD17 Threats of violence... hmmmn very poor form there Mr PJD17... one reserves the right to comment on the aesthetics and safety issues of SUP riding as one sees fit. There is no hate involved only mild disgust. Have a nice life...
SUP riding is the only surfing discipline apart from mal riding whereby the more proficient a rider becomes the uglier and more grotesque they look. Thus they go from being dangerously incompetent and gross to hopelessly competent and horrendously ugly.... in short it is the learning curve from hell...
Actually some SUPers install a handle in the tail and hold on to it when catch in the inside. That solve your problem on not able to hold on to a SUP. Can we all just get along and have fun in the water. Isn't this the whole point being in the water??? When i paddle to the edge of a line up, people's mood change, like i just took their wave. I give out more wave than all the prone rider, do i complaint??? Best part of SUP is i get to surf on wave nobody wants, i double my wave count and fun.
@RoyStewart that can be said to just about anything. It depend on individual, some people hate color red some dont. Who is right and who is wrong? I think we can all agree that we dislike anyone who snake other ppl's wave and dont practice the right surfing etiquette.It is not the kind of board you ride, the color of your wetsuit, where you are from, color of your skin, etc that we should hate others on.There is always few bad apple in a group, and we can't assume it apply to the whole.
You COMPLETELY miss the point ROY. I see a bunch of guys having a great time in the Ocean! I see no-one getting hurt or dropped in on. When I'm surfing ANYTHING (past 23 years) I consider it my responsibility to stay out of the way of those having a good time and or learning if I don't want to get hurt. It's easy. Keep your hate to yourself or take up golf. It's everyone's ocean. PS: I Don't own a SUP........Yet.
@MrPJD17 You miss the point which is that until people are born with three arms no SUP rider can hang on to their board instead they must rely on their leashes or kook cords. The activity is also gross in the extreme. Hate is not part of this post.
I think few would agree that SUP's are a progression of surfing akin to snowboarding vs skiing. Firstly SUP-ing was actually first, and it certainly has its place in the water... but not at a decent pt/reef break or similar with paddlers all over it. SUP-ing isnt superior its just another large watercraft that shouldnt be in all takeoff zones like jetski's, kiteboards, windsurfers, kayaks, zodiacs and fishing boats. Mahalo
I just have to say when I started snow boarding in the 70's we were banned from the mt. the rule was skiing only no boards. now there is more boards then skis on every mt! this is just evolution of the sport. long boarders felt the same way about all the thrashing that short boarders did now it is the paddle board that every one hates it's just evolution of the sport... 20 years from now we will all wonder why some guy is laying down on that retro 6 'surf board paddle is here to stay
@dentxtractor Of course they have their place but that place will always be limited by the fact that they are so thick and also because the rider can't hold on to board and paddle. I was making longboards 27" wide ( the only one to do so) back in 2003 before the SUP craze, the advantages of greater width are not confined to stand up paddlers, the trick is to make them thin. Thankfully SUP's are being drawn into the shorter is better trick surfing paradigm, this limits what they can do.
I had some total kook drop in on me this morning. I had the inside, made the drop and was pumping down the line when suddenly this kook paddles onto the wave right into me. No clue, no etiquette... as soon as he saw me he dove off the back of the wave and his huge board came flying at me. I barely ducked out of the way. He and all his kind should be banned from the lineup. Oh, FYI, I was on a 7'9" SUP and he was on a 10' longboard. It's not about SUP. It's kooks LIKE YOU Roy causing trouble.
Excuse me but I have an excellent safety record and NEVER bail on my board. The problem with SUP's is primarily that people have only two hands, making it impossible to hold onto board and paddle simultaneously, this inevitably leads to bailing out letting the board fly to the end of the leash or further. The surfing in this video is appalling and demonstrates the problem .
@RoyStewart there are kooks in every sport, especially new popular sports. This doesn't make all sup not functional etc. I kind of crack up when longboarders give me dirty looks when I paddle out on my 8'2" sup and catch 10x the waves without getting near anyone. It's always the biggest kook longboarders who seem to care the most too. The sport will advance, Kai Lenny already does standup duck dives.
@dt4100 the main point is that unless one is born with three arms there's no possibility of hanging on to your board, thus kook cord reliance is inevitable and every sup ride becomes an automatic kook because of this. Regarding standup duck dives that is obviously BS as if the rider can't sink the board with all his weight when standing on it duck diving is impossible. Personally SUPs don't bother me in the water, they are a kook vehicle though.
@RoyStewart , "personally SUPs don't bother me in the water, they are a kook vehicle though." That might take the award for backhanded comment of the year. Shouldn't you be outside yelling at kids to get off your lawn? I think we're missing out here, the stand up skateboard guys with the poles, they're the real criminals. Worst sport ever.
@royStewart I do have to admit, guys riding 12 foot sups in good waves is awful. I just think that they have their place. When it's knee high out and I paddle out on an sup, longboard guys giving me the stink eye is hilarious. I have never once got in anyone's way, and resent kooks on 10 foot longboards who blow every wave giving sh*& to anyone, as they haven't earned the right.
@dt4100 I had a couple of SUP riders complaining at me recently because I was catching too many waves on my 10'6" longboard... they don't bother me as they are too ungainly to be competition.
@RoyStewart , you're on here going off on people and you ride a 10'6" longboard?? What a joke man, you're a huge hypocrite and a giant kook longboarder complaining about anything you can. I'm sure you duck dive that 10'6" real well you f'n loudmouth. That's yet another great thing about sup, you can find and paddle to new surf spots where kook longboarders like roystewart will never even see.
@dt4100 As a matter of fact I roll under and can roll anything which can be duckdived. My complaint about SUP's has nothing to do with surfboard length, where did I complain about their length ?
This is so true. I've surfed for a long time, and every time I get hit by a board, it's either a beginner on a foam top or a SUP'er. They get lazy and just dump their boards with no regard for the safety of anyone inside. Invariably, SUP riders demonstrate the worst of surfing, both in etiquette and respect.
Thats funny that I hear all these comments about anti Paddle boarding. I hear people on here talk about how when you eat it you should have a board small enough to control when you go down and how you cannot do that on a sup because of the rails being to thick. Lets see you hold on to that short board on a decent day anywhere on the north shore of Oahu. Don't forget where surfing came from hawaii not california so don't act like a californian in the water!
@Circo808 Hawaiian watermen must let go of their boards and rely on kook cords .. . if that's Hawaiian I'll flag it and keep control of my board my way thanks. As for 'decent' surf what a joke it's not a decency issue. The point re board control is not to do with length it is a rail gripping, buoyancy and weight problem. SUP's are too light and thick to roll under and the rider has only one hand free. . .. not good.
All you guys are a bunch of idiots.When you Paddle Surf you have to pick a surf spot with a channel or learn how to SUP up over the wave..You can't SUP at what ever beach you want, & of course you can't duck dive the damn thing. If you don't have the balls to get a beating at a place w/ no channel, then don't go out. Go to a f#$king river.
so can you stand up and paddle the longboard you have "intimate" knowledge of, if not whats your point, my daughters bodyboard is safer than all of them, should everybody switch to them? these anti SUP comments are crazy, all posted by so called "cool, laid back surfers" as I've posted elswhere, when I'm in the water with my kid's, its short and longboarders I have to watch out for, screaming past them at high speed trying to stay up, highly dangerous, shall we ban them!!!!!!
Well you are quite right about most longboarders ditching their boards and relying on the leash, which is an appalling habit. Regarding hanging on to the board when wiping out, I ALWAYS hang on to my board when wiped out, and the point is that with longboards one is able to hang on to the board whereas with SUP's that option doesn't exist. I can't see what difference mass production makes to the argument, and light weight is detrimental to rolling under by the way.
I see your point Roy and I agree. I have a longoboard and I always try to rely on the hanging thing,
BUT, there are many technics for kind of duckdiving a longb. I've seen one guy in a video doing that from a sitting position, taking his weight suddenly to the nose:)
Would please share any video or text of technics for getting in with a long?
Not at all when padling out we roll under and emerge out the back, and when surfing ride in to the beach or kick out. You are silly to talk about things you have no understanding of
@cfidsurfer That's nonsense, I control the board and roll under when necessary. When the board is rolled under it does not go 'crashing around' it slips smoothly under the wave. SUP's cannot be controlled in this way because the rails are too thick to be grasped i the hands, and the boards are high volume and low density.
Our response to SUP's is entirely due to the leash issue and the holding on to the board issue, if we can solve them we will build more SUP's (We built one in 2003 already )
I'm sorry, this just makes me laugh. Your argument is silly on its face. The vast majority of surfboards are mass produced. SUPs are not unique in that regard. Add to that the fact that most SUPs I have ridden are actually LIGHTER than most longboards. Surftech's tuflite technology is insanely light. FINALLY, can you you show me any videos of a longboarder holding onto his board upon wiping out? I can show you ten times as many videos of longboarders letting their leash do the retrieving.
My experience is that my olo boards have no proble at all competing with SUP's , so they don't bother me personally for now. Acccusing people of 'hate' is a pretty heavy accusation and I see no evidence of it in the coments so mellow out please. As for safety, I don't SUP because I don't consider reliance upon the leash in the first instance to be a safe practice, others might disagree.
I love all the SUP haters. Can you show me one incident where someone was hurt by a SUP--or any statistic that demonstrates that SUPs are inherently more dangerous than other boards? I grew up surfing Barber's Point in Hawaii and have seen it all. What we're seeing now is a very typical response to something that is 1) new and different, and 2) catches waves more easily (further out) than traditional boards. Thus, the hate. It's OK to hate them, just be honest about why.
SUK is unaesthetic. Don't know how it feels but it looks terrible. Very selfish. While sitting in the line up, they sweep outside the break line and absolutely ruin the view. Basically impossible to control in the impact zone. Dangerous to all. I'm trying to figure out how I can ride a shorter, lower volume surfboard.
vinorama58 1 month ago
If that,s 12 ft then I can,t imagine what you idea of 17 ft is. Where was this? my guess is cowells or old mans. You want to see a real closeout move to central cal.
TheSurfrer1 1 month ago
Deleting reference to this post.......RoyStewart has shown him(her)self to be one hateful individual here and on other posts not of his(her) origin. Whilst lacking any intelligent comeback to his(her) clear prejudice is reason enough....the final straw for me is deleting intelligent posts that completely liquefy his(her) argument. LAME. Looking forward to spearing a 12 footer up your nasal cavity one day. MrPJD17 OUT.
MrPJD17 2 months ago
@MrPJD17 Get a sense of humour you jock strap!
RoyStewart 2 months ago
@MrPJD17 Threats of violence... hmmmn very poor form there Mr PJD17... one reserves the right to comment on the aesthetics and safety issues of SUP riding as one sees fit. There is no hate involved only mild disgust. Have a nice life...
RoyStewart 2 months ago
"It's at least 12 foot out there"....ha!!
sharkomarko 2 months ago
@sharkomarko There were plenty of feet out there ;)
RoyStewart 2 months ago
Have you some how managed to capture pictures of hell with this video camera?
TheSnapmovies 2 months ago
SUP riding is the only surfing discipline apart from mal riding whereby the more proficient a rider becomes the uglier and more grotesque they look. Thus they go from being dangerously incompetent and gross to hopelessly competent and horrendously ugly.... in short it is the learning curve from hell...
RoyStewart 2 months ago
Actually some SUPers install a handle in the tail and hold on to it when catch in the inside. That solve your problem on not able to hold on to a SUP. Can we all just get along and have fun in the water. Isn't this the whole point being in the water??? When i paddle to the edge of a line up, people's mood change, like i just took their wave. I give out more wave than all the prone rider, do i complaint??? Best part of SUP is i get to surf on wave nobody wants, i double my wave count and fun.
yiucycle 2 months ago
@yiucycle SUP riding is also visual pollution
RoyStewart 2 months ago 2
@RoyStewart that can be said to just about anything. It depend on individual, some people hate color red some dont. Who is right and who is wrong? I think we can all agree that we dislike anyone who snake other ppl's wave and dont practice the right surfing etiquette.It is not the kind of board you ride, the color of your wetsuit, where you are from, color of your skin, etc that we should hate others on.There is always few bad apple in a group, and we can't assume it apply to the whole.
yiucycle 2 months ago
@yiucycle A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do...
RoyStewart 2 months ago
You COMPLETELY miss the point ROY. I see a bunch of guys having a great time in the Ocean! I see no-one getting hurt or dropped in on. When I'm surfing ANYTHING (past 23 years) I consider it my responsibility to stay out of the way of those having a good time and or learning if I don't want to get hurt. It's easy. Keep your hate to yourself or take up golf. It's everyone's ocean. PS: I Don't own a SUP........Yet.
MrPJD17 2 months ago
@MrPJD17 You miss the point which is that until people are born with three arms no SUP rider can hang on to their board instead they must rely on their leashes or kook cords. The activity is also gross in the extreme. Hate is not part of this post.
RoyStewart 2 months ago
@MrPJD17 well my grandparents having sex is no doubt a great time for all involved but id really prefer not to have to see it in public
jabes26 2 months ago
I think few would agree that SUP's are a progression of surfing akin to snowboarding vs skiing. Firstly SUP-ing was actually first, and it certainly has its place in the water... but not at a decent pt/reef break or similar with paddlers all over it. SUP-ing isnt superior its just another large watercraft that shouldnt be in all takeoff zones like jetski's, kiteboards, windsurfers, kayaks, zodiacs and fishing boats. Mahalo
travian00000000 5 months ago
u should just stay out of peoples way cuz id run anyone over
mana83320 6 months ago
Jesus! You've all got so much to write about, just go surf ffs! However/whichever way,pull yourselves together god dammit!
Nick98911 6 months ago
I just have to say when I started snow boarding in the 70's we were banned from the mt. the rule was skiing only no boards. now there is more boards then skis on every mt! this is just evolution of the sport. long boarders felt the same way about all the thrashing that short boarders did now it is the paddle board that every one hates it's just evolution of the sport... 20 years from now we will all wonder why some guy is laying down on that retro 6 'surf board paddle is here to stay
dentxtractor 6 months ago
@dentxtractor Of course they have their place but that place will always be limited by the fact that they are so thick and also because the rider can't hold on to board and paddle. I was making longboards 27" wide ( the only one to do so) back in 2003 before the SUP craze, the advantages of greater width are not confined to stand up paddlers, the trick is to make them thin. Thankfully SUP's are being drawn into the shorter is better trick surfing paradigm, this limits what they can do.
RoyStewart 6 months ago
I had some total kook drop in on me this morning. I had the inside, made the drop and was pumping down the line when suddenly this kook paddles onto the wave right into me. No clue, no etiquette... as soon as he saw me he dove off the back of the wave and his huge board came flying at me. I barely ducked out of the way. He and all his kind should be banned from the lineup. Oh, FYI, I was on a 7'9" SUP and he was on a 10' longboard. It's not about SUP. It's kooks LIKE YOU Roy causing trouble.
Corranaddison 8 months ago 2
Excuse me but I have an excellent safety record and NEVER bail on my board. The problem with SUP's is primarily that people have only two hands, making it impossible to hold onto board and paddle simultaneously, this inevitably leads to bailing out letting the board fly to the end of the leash or further. The surfing in this video is appalling and demonstrates the problem .
RoyStewart 8 months ago
@RoyStewart there are kooks in every sport, especially new popular sports. This doesn't make all sup not functional etc. I kind of crack up when longboarders give me dirty looks when I paddle out on my 8'2" sup and catch 10x the waves without getting near anyone. It's always the biggest kook longboarders who seem to care the most too. The sport will advance, Kai Lenny already does standup duck dives.
dt4100 2 months ago
@dt4100 the main point is that unless one is born with three arms there's no possibility of hanging on to your board, thus kook cord reliance is inevitable and every sup ride becomes an automatic kook because of this. Regarding standup duck dives that is obviously BS as if the rider can't sink the board with all his weight when standing on it duck diving is impossible. Personally SUPs don't bother me in the water, they are a kook vehicle though.
RoyStewart 2 months ago
@RoyStewart , "personally SUPs don't bother me in the water, they are a kook vehicle though." That might take the award for backhanded comment of the year. Shouldn't you be outside yelling at kids to get off your lawn? I think we're missing out here, the stand up skateboard guys with the poles, they're the real criminals. Worst sport ever.
dt4100 1 month ago
@royStewart I do have to admit, guys riding 12 foot sups in good waves is awful. I just think that they have their place. When it's knee high out and I paddle out on an sup, longboard guys giving me the stink eye is hilarious. I have never once got in anyone's way, and resent kooks on 10 foot longboards who blow every wave giving sh*& to anyone, as they haven't earned the right.
dt4100 1 month ago
@dt4100 I had a couple of SUP riders complaining at me recently because I was catching too many waves on my 10'6" longboard... they don't bother me as they are too ungainly to be competition.
RoyStewart 2 months ago
@RoyStewart , you're on here going off on people and you ride a 10'6" longboard?? What a joke man, you're a huge hypocrite and a giant kook longboarder complaining about anything you can. I'm sure you duck dive that 10'6" real well you f'n loudmouth. That's yet another great thing about sup, you can find and paddle to new surf spots where kook longboarders like roystewart will never even see.
dt4100 1 week ago
@dt4100 As a matter of fact I roll under and can roll anything which can be duckdived. My complaint about SUP's has nothing to do with surfboard length, where did I complain about their length ?
By the way i ride boards up to 19 feet.
RoyStewart 1 week ago
@Corranaddison Why thank you.... an insult from a rider of a 7 foot SUP is really a backhanded compliment.
RoyStewart 2 months ago
This is so true. I've surfed for a long time, and every time I get hit by a board, it's either a beginner on a foam top or a SUP'er. They get lazy and just dump their boards with no regard for the safety of anyone inside. Invariably, SUP riders demonstrate the worst of surfing, both in etiquette and respect.
Stratocaster05 1 year ago
Thats funny that I hear all these comments about anti Paddle boarding. I hear people on here talk about how when you eat it you should have a board small enough to control when you go down and how you cannot do that on a sup because of the rails being to thick. Lets see you hold on to that short board on a decent day anywhere on the north shore of Oahu. Don't forget where surfing came from hawaii not california so don't act like a californian in the water!
Circo808 1 year ago
@Circo808 Hawaiian watermen must let go of their boards and rely on kook cords .. . if that's Hawaiian I'll flag it and keep control of my board my way thanks. As for 'decent' surf what a joke it's not a decency issue. The point re board control is not to do with length it is a rail gripping, buoyancy and weight problem. SUP's are too light and thick to roll under and the rider has only one hand free. . .. not good.
RoyStewart 1 year ago
All you guys are a bunch of idiots.When you Paddle Surf you have to pick a surf spot with a channel or learn how to SUP up over the wave..You can't SUP at what ever beach you want, & of course you can't duck dive the damn thing. If you don't have the balls to get a beating at a place w/ no channel, then don't go out. Go to a f#$king river.
DaKrazyHawaiiaN 1 year ago
Is this at Blackie's?
surfitbig 1 year ago
so can you stand up and paddle the longboard you have "intimate" knowledge of, if not whats your point, my daughters bodyboard is safer than all of them, should everybody switch to them? these anti SUP comments are crazy, all posted by so called "cool, laid back surfers" as I've posted elswhere, when I'm in the water with my kid's, its short and longboarders I have to watch out for, screaming past them at high speed trying to stay up, highly dangerous, shall we ban them!!!!!!
fatboyslimfast999 2 years ago
@fatboyslimfast999 Incorrect I posted this video and I am not a cool laid back surfer.
RoyStewart 1 year ago
sweepers stop sweeping
sickynarnar 2 years ago
Human bowling balls. Do you wonder why surfers hate Oarons? Total kooks- the laughing stock of the lineup!
4574435 2 years ago
Uhhhhh...did you not post this video and write the intro??
"One of the problems is that due to mass marketing and mass production there is a rash of these boards out there."
davidgeorge11 2 years ago
It's not my video I grabbed it fom youtube before the owner took it down. . . he removed the evidence !
RoyStewart 2 years ago
Well you are quite right about most longboarders ditching their boards and relying on the leash, which is an appalling habit. Regarding hanging on to the board when wiping out, I ALWAYS hang on to my board when wiped out, and the point is that with longboards one is able to hang on to the board whereas with SUP's that option doesn't exist. I can't see what difference mass production makes to the argument, and light weight is detrimental to rolling under by the way.
RoyStewart 2 years ago
I see your point Roy and I agree. I have a longoboard and I always try to rely on the hanging thing,
BUT, there are many technics for kind of duckdiving a longb. I've seen one guy in a video doing that from a sitting position, taking his weight suddenly to the nose:)
Would please share any video or text of technics for getting in with a long?
regards
bababacardi 2 years ago
Do you mean paddling in to the beach ? or paddling out ?
RoyStewart 2 years ago
@RoyStewart so what, you hold on to your board... and then both the BOARD and YOU go crashing around....... not much of a difference....
cfidsurfer 2 years ago
Not at all when padling out we roll under and emerge out the back, and when surfing ride in to the beach or kick out. You are silly to talk about things you have no understanding of
RoyStewart 2 years ago
@cfidsurfer That's nonsense, I control the board and roll under when necessary. When the board is rolled under it does not go 'crashing around' it slips smoothly under the wave. SUP's cannot be controlled in this way because the rails are too thick to be grasped i the hands, and the boards are high volume and low density.
RoyStewart 1 year ago
Our response to SUP's is entirely due to the leash issue and the holding on to the board issue, if we can solve them we will build more SUP's (We built one in 2003 already )
RoyStewart 2 years ago
I'm sorry, this just makes me laugh. Your argument is silly on its face. The vast majority of surfboards are mass produced. SUPs are not unique in that regard. Add to that the fact that most SUPs I have ridden are actually LIGHTER than most longboards. Surftech's tuflite technology is insanely light. FINALLY, can you you show me any videos of a longboarder holding onto his board upon wiping out? I can show you ten times as many videos of longboarders letting their leash do the retrieving.
davidgeorge11 2 years ago
My experience is that my olo boards have no proble at all competing with SUP's , so they don't bother me personally for now. Acccusing people of 'hate' is a pretty heavy accusation and I see no evidence of it in the coments so mellow out please. As for safety, I don't SUP because I don't consider reliance upon the leash in the first instance to be a safe practice, others might disagree.
RoyStewart 2 years ago
I love all the SUP haters. Can you show me one incident where someone was hurt by a SUP--or any statistic that demonstrates that SUPs are inherently more dangerous than other boards? I grew up surfing Barber's Point in Hawaii and have seen it all. What we're seeing now is a very typical response to something that is 1) new and different, and 2) catches waves more easily (further out) than traditional boards. Thus, the hate. It's OK to hate them, just be honest about why.
davidgeorge11 2 years ago
No haters here mate
RoyStewart 2 years ago
Menace 2 Society.
halbo007 2 years ago
waves are at least 12ft!! hahahahhahah
dannyoc1 2 years ago
The video is from malibu, so probably not from the NZ earthquake .
RoyStewart 2 years ago
Are the waves from the earthquake?
goldenpizza 2 years ago
at least their leashes won't last that long and they'll be forced to swim back to shore.
gergs180 2 years ago