You want to see how fast a 1897 can shoot? Check out SSG Kinney's audition tap on U-Tube for Top Shot season 5. Under what he likes about guns. GREAT!! Hope he makes it...
@MARINECORPS1251 If you're American, I can see why you'd take that position. The early Norinco guns imported into the US before the US arms embargo were really poor quality. The tolerances were bad, so the guns were wobbly, and the metallurgy was crap, so they'd rust easily and wear quickly. The current ones imported to Canada are pretty good, and the M14S and M1897 repros are close to GI quality at 1/4 the price.
I'm curious.. Have you ever tried the Winchester Ranger low recoil 00 buck shells? I was thinking about using those since these 1897's don't have a butt pad. I don't want to put one on since mine is a vintage trench gun, and I want to keep it original.
@PinkOld LOL. Wish I could have bought one for that cheap. I just bought an original trench gun from WW1, in less than great condtion. for $2000. If it was in better shape it would be worth closer to $4000.
Amazing how collectible those old war horses can get.
It sounds as if they're commanding even higher prices than their successor, the vaunted model 12.
My late wife's folks had a model 12 that they had from the house of the wife's Dad.
I told them not to take it back there because that shotgun was worth $800 minimum, and because she had a crazy, thieving sister I knew would steal it the first chance she had.
@PinkOld Ha. Some people never listen. My mothers brothers and sisters grabbed all of her parents china, etc after they passed away. They ended up selling all of it on eBay :( And yeah, it was a chunk of change to be dropping on one gun. But I am happy to now own a piece of history. I've always loved this particular gun, ever since I was a kid.I am thinking of making a U.S. trench display in my basement, with a complete uniform on a mannequin and some unfired all-brass shells..
@DrakeGmbH When you do even if you just hear them - that sound will make most vacate the premise immediately - and those who are too stupid to remain behind - are some real bad cases and are just begging to be removed from the gene pool.
Don't you know the Germans hated being on the receiving end of these damn things in WW1. They actually did appeal to the US Army to stop using the 1897, for they deemed it inhumane to all who got mauled by buckshot and against the rules of war. The Secretary of War replied that the use of German mustard and chlorine gas was also inhumane.....end of story...... and the 1897 blasted on to victory.
@cyberdaemon ...Not anywhere near as fucking bad as the Germans dreaded that shotgun. That MP-18 burp gun isn't going to blow off the top of your goddamn head, nor turn your interal organs into a pulverized, fucked up bloody mess like a shotgun. Besides, never did the Americans didn't bitch and cry about the Germans using the MP-18 like the Germans did about the Americans using the Winchester.....Just a thought.
Therealetorin, he probably used it in the jungles of the South Pacific. When we fought Japan we didn't take the land battles into Japanese islands proper. The jungles were down south in Bougainville, Guadalcanal, New Guinea...all south of the equator.
A salute to your great grandfather for his service!
Are these Norinco trench gun copies as rugged and reliable as a Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870? Are they appropriate for defense, or just good for recreational shooting and reenactments?
@chrisscahilll they will make it out that far the only question is how lethal would it really be i sure as hell wouldnt want to be on the receiving end of it, ive shot bird and 00 buck out that far
@enternetguy420 Only because the microphone, MP4 encoding and your speakers knocked about 100 decibels off it. Try a 12 gauge without earplugs, these were Winchester Super-X 2 3/4" 00 Buck loads. Around 170 decibels.
@therealetorin There was no invasion of Japan mainland, so he had to be fighting in some of the islands far far away from Japan! Be it Guatemala, Peleliu or Okinawa. Or something else. But he was not fighting in Japan!
the pressures for lite loads to heavy loads are the same. i hand load shotgun shells and the pressure for a 11/8 oz. lite field load is the same as a magnum 23/4 goose load about 10,000 psi. so the gun should be good
the slide sounds crisp for that old. I gotta mossberg 500 wit some basic add ons. pistol grip red dot black forend ect. I love good ol working class pumps
@godownweeniegodown23 i was using basic logic IDIOT, obvioulsy a trench is close quarters , so you'd think that a TRENCH GUN would have a wide spread, instead of a long range shot. STUPID.
@xboxlover749 just shut….shut….shut your mouth… your coming off stupid…if you knew the slightest things of guns and ammo you would understand. but unfortunately you have clearly wasted all your brain cells on tv and video games….. hence your name… but anyways you probably have never even shot a gun so you dont understand.
@godownweeniegodown23 got a bit of a stammer there, but also if i could i would post a video of me shooting my .357 magnum rounds off my my smith an' wesson, single handed. scoring a bullseye on a water bottle at 30 feet.
@xboxlover749 Shotguns can go a pretty far range. I think hes using birdshot 2 3/4 shells. But if he as using slugs. Then the round would go much farther
@DeadJack34 i was using basic logic IDIOT, obvioulsy a trench is close quarters , so you'd think that a TRENCH GUN would have a wide spread, instead of a long range shot. STUPID.
Will the reproduction 1897 allow you to fan fire? (The original 1897 did not have a trigger cut off mechanism and after firing the first round the gun would fire as long as the trigger was held back and the slide was moved). I have an original model 1897 it will do this. Even if it does not fan fire, the 1897, original or reproduction, is a great gun.
@DrakeGmbH How has this shotgun held up over use? I read on a forum that the Chinese clones fall apart (!) after a while, which would be a major reason for me NOT to get it. Do you feel confident shooting this gun with high brass, heavier loaded (still 2 3/4) shot and slugs? Also I am of the opinion that this shotgun COULD be a viable home defense option when compared to a modern shotgun (your opinion on that?). As you show in the video, it works quite well, even stacked against the 590 or 870!
@LifeisGood762 only reason i would choose a 590A1 over this (very small margin) is that it is modern, 3 inch chamber, and it takes the fairly common M9 bayonet, M1897 bayonets are harder to find, though in terms of home defense, they are both excellent choices, since most any criminal can be downed without 3 inch shells. reliability of the chinese manufacturing i cannot adress though.
@LifeisGood762 I had a Mossberg as a home defense gun before I bought this 1897. I haven't seen any reason to replace the Mossberg in that role. The Mossberg's action is smoother, the capacity is higher, the gun itself is a bit lighter, it has a thumb safety and an easier to operate action lock button. The 1897 hasn't exhibited any flaws since I've owned it but I can't wholeheartedly recommend it if you only want one shotgun for home defense and target shooting.
@LifeisGood762 I own an Original Model 97 (my great grandfathers) C. 1923 and they are phenomenal guns. Both the 590 and 870 were designed after this gun. I have heard the Norinco copies are pretty Cheap. I handled one at my local FFL and it felt pretty solid. but as drake says the 500 has a much smoother action and is more suited towards that Role. if anything the model 97 should be considered a fun gun.
@metalraider187 Why is that a shame? I dont know all that much about guns, i know the names of the ones ive shot, and the caliber of the bullet/shell they use.
@acr2121 2 3/4 shells are sort of the regular, 3' shells are magnum loads, as in the shell is 3 inches long, it has more shot/slug/whatever and more gunpowder=more power. so a 2 3/4 shell is 2 and 3 quarter inches long, its still plenty powerful, but the magnum loads are called magnum because they are really, really powerful.
i digress, 3 inch shells are fun to go shoot with too, many newer shotguns have 3 inch chambers though to take the big loads.
@metalraider187 Ah, that makes perfect sense. The Super Mag. my uncle had was the turkey hunter version, so it used the 3 inch magnum shells, that thing HURTS to shoot.
@metalraider187 You typically would not use 3" magnum shells in a tactical or combat shotgun even if it has a 3" chamber! . In fact loads that are designed for combat use are often somewhat lower powered. Most experts believe the ability to fire a a follow up shot quickly is more important than the greater power of a magnum shell.
@metalraider187 The AA12 is like the Desert Eagle pistol;mechanically it is very impressive but its weight and bulk make it awkward in actual tactical situations That's probably why AA12's aren't being used by the military or law enforcement . It's also illegal for normal civilians to own. Recovery times between shots with real world shot guns will be faster with 2-3/4 " shells!
@shwesq yea, unless you mess around with the gas system on it, but the bulk problem doesnt go away. I think the russians got it right earlier with the Saiga as a magazine fed shotgun, and you can use 3 inch shells in those if you take it to a gunsmith and its not much larger than an AR carbine. But I digress, sometimes its just nice to have the power, 3 inch shells only practical use is as a big game hunting round.
@metalraider187 Saigas are nice esp. if you already have an AK. Mags can be a problem though. You will want to go factory for reliability's sake. But Izhmash 8 rdrs are pricey and hard to get. Kvar got a shipment of 100 and sold them all within 24 hrs for $130 a pop!
The Benelli M4 is also nice but for $1500 you deserve to get the original military gun not the watered down civilian version!
@shwesq oh well, I just follow a common rule- if it has a bayonet lug, then its worth buying, like this M97 or the M590A1. Then again many people act like semi autos are so much faster than pump actions.
@metalraider187 I think you are right on that one. If you get the M97 make sure to get on of the original bayonets rather than a repro; they fit perfectly and had to pass British Military proof tests. If you get the Mossberg get the USMC's Okc3s it's got a longer stronger blade than the M9.
How much di it cot you ?
Sleepingeek 1 day ago
You want to see how fast a 1897 can shoot? Check out SSG Kinney's audition tap on U-Tube for Top Shot season 5. Under what he likes about guns. GREAT!! Hope he makes it...
RobRoy4890 2 days ago
Can it handle 3 inch magnum shells?
AmazingMrWonderful 5 days ago
chinese reproduction... why would you want that? you just know its a cheap piece of shit
MARINECORPS1251 1 week ago
@MARINECORPS1251 If you're American, I can see why you'd take that position. The early Norinco guns imported into the US before the US arms embargo were really poor quality. The tolerances were bad, so the guns were wobbly, and the metallurgy was crap, so they'd rust easily and wear quickly. The current ones imported to Canada are pretty good, and the M14S and M1897 repros are close to GI quality at 1/4 the price.
batlad 6 days ago
@batlad i would prefer to have the real thing, just because its a piece of history, so i would want it to be authentic
MARINECORPS1251 6 days ago
Hobo with a shotgun..
stick123ful 1 week ago
I'm curious.. Have you ever tried the Winchester Ranger low recoil 00 buck shells? I was thinking about using those since these 1897's don't have a butt pad. I don't want to put one on since mine is a vintage trench gun, and I want to keep it original.
crazyfvck 1 week ago
Dear Santa =)
Colinpatrickcantrell 1 week ago
that is a neat gun, looks a lot like a High Standard receiver..
intoweapons 2 weeks ago
Shotguns dont spread so far apart it only can get people 10 feet away, its more like 3 shots hit that one person xD
ahenryb1 2 weeks ago
My dad sold at auction a beat up Winchester original of this gun over twenty years ago...for $800!
I couldn't believe that old horse sold that high, but apparently, the 1897 is very collectible.
PinkOld 2 weeks ago
@PinkOld LOL. Wish I could have bought one for that cheap. I just bought an original trench gun from WW1, in less than great condtion. for $2000. If it was in better shape it would be worth closer to $4000.
crazyfvck 1 week ago
@crazyfvck Whoah!
Amazing how collectible those old war horses can get.
It sounds as if they're commanding even higher prices than their successor, the vaunted model 12.
My late wife's folks had a model 12 that they had from the house of the wife's Dad.
I told them not to take it back there because that shotgun was worth $800 minimum, and because she had a crazy, thieving sister I knew would steal it the first chance she had.
Guess what?
They ignored me, and it was GONE.
Idiots!
>:<
PinkOld 1 week ago
@PinkOld Ha. Some people never listen. My mothers brothers and sisters grabbed all of her parents china, etc after they passed away. They ended up selling all of it on eBay :( And yeah, it was a chunk of change to be dropping on one gun. But I am happy to now own a piece of history. I've always loved this particular gun, ever since I was a kid.I am thinking of making a U.S. trench display in my basement, with a complete uniform on a mannequin and some unfired all-brass shells..
crazyfvck 1 week ago
Ok so it kills boxes how bout zombies
Chrome57flytha2nd 2 weeks ago
@Chrome57flytha2nd It kills clays, fruit and water jugs as well. Haven't seen any zombies yet.
DrakeGmbH 2 weeks ago 26
@DrakeGmbH When you do even if you just hear them - that sound will make most vacate the premise immediately - and those who are too stupid to remain behind - are some real bad cases and are just begging to be removed from the gene pool.
Cabanas751Dunhill 1 week ago
@DrakeGmbH please post when you do
cplR3yk1ng 2 days ago
Just saying i would never trust a gun made in china
draaks1 2 weeks ago
@draaks1 >2012
>still thinking that weapons are manufactured by the same standards as they manufacture electronics and toys
I am obviously not saying a Norinco is better than the "real deal" in terms of durability, but Norinco firearms are very reliable.
I seem to remember a Canadian shooter got a nice place on 3-gun with a Norinco AR15 copy, and he was competing against shooters with $3000 ARs.
bf2lover42 1 week ago
I have Tanaka Works M1897 !!!
crfTatsuto 2 weeks ago
made in china ha
magicapricot 2 weeks ago
Don't you know the Germans hated being on the receiving end of these damn things in WW1. They actually did appeal to the US Army to stop using the 1897, for they deemed it inhumane to all who got mauled by buckshot and against the rules of war. The Secretary of War replied that the use of German mustard and chlorine gas was also inhumane.....end of story...... and the 1897 blasted on to victory.
Lex5576 3 weeks ago
@Lex5576 I wonder how americans liked to be in the receiving end of MP18? Just a thought.
cyberdaemon 2 weeks ago
@cyberdaemon ...Not anywhere near as fucking bad as the Germans dreaded that shotgun. That MP-18 burp gun isn't going to blow off the top of your goddamn head, nor turn your interal organs into a pulverized, fucked up bloody mess like a shotgun. Besides, never did the Americans didn't bitch and cry about the Germans using the MP-18 like the Germans did about the Americans using the Winchester.....Just a thought.
Lex5576 2 weeks ago
@Lex5576 double negative makes a positive ... you just said that the Americans did nothing BUT bitch and cry.
awesome post dude
claing17 3 days ago
cod waw :D
NextGame1004 3 weeks ago
As I understand it, this weapon caused great indignation in the German Army of WW1. They had never faced shotguns until the Americans arrived.
Apparently they tried to have the weapon classified as "illegal".
Seems to me the Americans were just being practical about war in the trenches...
Ca1861 3 weeks ago 2
How muh chu want for it
goodboy482 3 weeks ago
Therealetorin, he probably used it in the jungles of the South Pacific. When we fought Japan we didn't take the land battles into Japanese islands proper. The jungles were down south in Bougainville, Guadalcanal, New Guinea...all south of the equator.
A salute to your great grandfather for his service!
hardheadjarhead 1 month ago
I kinda prefer the Riot variant over this one. The heatshield is a tad bit ugly.
dennisthemenace0WNS 1 month ago
Are these Norinco trench gun copies as rugged and reliable as a Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870? Are they appropriate for defense, or just good for recreational shooting and reenactments?
4289twelve 2 months ago
same principles as winchester lever guns except in a pump
sporkinat0r 2 months ago
mmm the same model that killed the sneaky japs. tasty.
JerFish12 2 months ago
very nice
TheMintymilkshake 2 months ago
Is that a toy?Cuz it sounds like it.
AIR112able 2 months ago
You know they sometimes called these things the grim reaper
12GAshotgunnersrain 2 months ago
world at war lol
lukuntri 2 months ago
forget video games i want this for christmas
redarmy126 2 months ago
Not bad for a Chinese copy.
What I wouldn't do for an original though...
joeyxdope 3 months ago
is that an original or a copy?
poopweener35 3 months ago
THATS FAKE DID YOU SEE THE RANGE? IN COD THE RANGE IS SO MUCH LESS SO YOU CAN TELL ITS FAKE CUS COD IS SO REALISTIC. Gtfo nerds... -____-
WherezYoNikez 3 months ago
@WherezYoNikez Don't mistake nerds with COD fags please. Believe it or not, there's a difference.
Area51T 3 months ago
this weapon can 'slam fire'. this means you hold the trigger down and just jack rounds... some think it rounds off the sear... i doubt it.
cwross1976 3 months ago
call of duty waw shotguns suck in real life shotguns win
MegaDerek2011 3 months ago
@minichinny shotguns can go up to 100 metres ? are you stupid
chrisscahilll 3 months ago
@chrisscahilll they will make it out that far the only question is how lethal would it really be i sure as hell wouldnt want to be on the receiving end of it, ive shot bird and 00 buck out that far
xXpreflexXx 3 months ago
@chrisscahilll A rifled shotgun slug or a shotgun with a slug barrel might do it. Normal shells? No, not 100 meters.
chrismc410 3 months ago
awesome gun man
rushalan 3 months ago
my .22 is louder than that
enternetguy420 3 months ago
@enternetguy420 Only because the microphone, MP4 encoding and your speakers knocked about 100 decibels off it. Try a 12 gauge without earplugs, these were Winchester Super-X 2 3/4" 00 Buck loads. Around 170 decibels.
DrakeGmbH 3 months ago 42
@DrakeGmbH ive shot a 12 gauge with out earplugs.......god i hate my dad.......
zwiefmann 2 months ago
@enternetguy420 my m1garand too but... it not a shotgun :P and i guess you already know that
sixtdfson 2 weeks ago
resident evil remake??
mrlegendatwork1999 3 months ago
Aim bot!
nlozano37 3 months ago
Should have tittle- m1987 Treyarch gun...
911mykidsdead 3 months ago
the range and accuracy of shotguns in videogames are always so unrealistic
ahindat2 3 months ago 74
@ahindat2 so true shot guns can go up to 100 meters
minichinny1 3 months ago
@ahindat2 In mw3 they are nerfed to the point where throwing rocks would be more effective.
Innaccurate, 5 foot range, and low damage.
Whatever.
Irl, buckshot as well as slugs can travel quite a ways, where as bird shot (not a combat load AT ALL) has the range of a bb gun.
TheSmartestTaco 3 months ago
@TheSmartestTaco mw3 and realism don't mix that well :)
ahindat2 3 months ago
@TheSmartestTaco a bb gun? so thats about 200yards? or less?
hoodstarx1 3 months ago
@hoodstarx1 It depends.
But less than 200 typically.
Otherwise I'd get shot at my range because you drive in the path of the skeet range.
TheSmartestTaco 3 months ago
@ahindat2 lol halo 1 does a good job with the shotgun
jacketnipple 2 months ago
@jacketnipple I've never played halo 1 but I'm talking primarely about Call of Duty and Battlefield
ahindat2 2 months ago
@ahindat2 absurd! XD a gamer who hasn't played halo 1.. smh
jacketnipple 2 months ago 2
@ahindat2 lol...Halo 1 got it right though - the shotgun's range was like 100 metres...
edbo10 2 months ago
@ahindat2 i know,shotguns in videogames have the range of a pickle.
madeinamerica97 2 weeks ago
Call Of Duty 5 anyone
MrSr777 3 months ago
I'd buy THAT for a dollar!
Therealguymins 3 months ago
kick some ass
lordtidus15 3 months ago
My great-grandpa used This in the jungles of japan!!!
He said he always prefered a machine gun though...
therealetorin 3 months ago 41
@therealetorin Who wouldn't?
pickinthatbanjo 3 months ago
@therealetorin bull shit
GreenTeaLSD 3 months ago
@therealetorin
jungles? off japan????
astupiddvdcase 3 months ago
@astupiddvdcase yes, the jungles of japan
therealetorin 3 months ago
@astupiddvdcase I thought the same thing...
picassopainter2 3 months ago
@therealetorin
There are no jungles in Japan you dumbass.
Drboogerson 3 months ago
@Drboogerson course there was, just like the arctic tundras of vietnam. and who could forget the roaming sand dunes of russia...
therealetorin 3 months ago
@therealetorin its funny because there were never any infantry battles on the island of japan
wyldeman100 3 months ago
@therealetorin japan doesnt have jungles
shattori1 3 months ago
@shattori1 lol
futsalfred2 3 months ago
@therealetorin There are no jungles in Japan... i think you mean he fought the Japanese in the jungles
SonOfAWhisker 3 months ago
@SonOfAWhisker yea, thats what he must've meant, thats just what he told us...
therealetorin 2 months ago
@therealetorin Right on man! There's probably a few Japs who had a bad day after running into your great grandpa!
raptors11111 2 months ago
@therealetorin there was no us troops fightin in japan
erer270 2 months ago
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codyrobert12 2 months ago
@codyrobert12 not during ww2
erer270 2 months ago
@therealetorin Cool story bro.
Yeowie69 1 month ago
@therealetorin There was no invasion of Japan mainland, so he had to be fighting in some of the islands far far away from Japan! Be it Guatemala, Peleliu or Okinawa. Or something else. But he was not fighting in Japan!
cyberdaemon 2 weeks ago
@cyberdaemon
Who cares?
DotNetPromo 2 weeks ago
@DotNetPromo Then why do you bother asking me? Not your business what i ask :(
cyberdaemon 2 weeks ago
well that was quiet
LILSPYDA27 3 months ago
SWEEEET
peterm3964 3 months ago
either the cameras sound recording sucks, or this gun isnt as loud as i was expecting it to be.
logandh2 3 months ago
@logandh2 Point and shoot camera. I believe this has come up more than enough times.
DrakeGmbH 3 months ago 15
@DrakeGmbH i wasnt questioning the camera, just that the gun iant very loud as far as i can tell. sorry for the misunderstanding.
logandh2 3 months ago
the pressures for lite loads to heavy loads are the same. i hand load shotgun shells and the pressure for a 11/8 oz. lite field load is the same as a magnum 23/4 goose load about 10,000 psi. so the gun should be good
ctne4 3 months ago
Looks like it has a really smooth action.
MisterBravura 3 months ago
Damn.. sure don't make'm like that anymore don't they?
Doom61000 3 months ago
would you recomend this gun?
asddsdsssd 3 months ago
We have the model that came directly after this, the Winchester/Savage Model 12. Made in 1917.
HackerAndBootSniffer 3 months ago
Awesome shotgun. I'm NOT trying to be a cod fanboy here, but waw really got the cocking sound perfect.
MickehDaHuskeh 3 months ago
WHAT THE FUCK HAS HAPPENED TO YOUTUBE WITH THE UPDATES
wilubuymygldfish 3 months ago
Wish i had one!
tennessee226 3 months ago
looks EXACTLY like call of duty wworld at wwwwwwarrr
retrome45 3 months ago
the slide sounds crisp for that old. I gotta mossberg 500 wit some basic add ons. pistol grip red dot black forend ect. I love good ol working class pumps
420Nelbone 3 months ago
@420Nelbone Its a reproduction from China. Read the description.
footballova36136 3 months ago
ill take it.
logandh2 3 months ago
Norinco is good for one reason.
You can hurt it without hurting the value.
Jaket2000 3 months ago
OHH RAA!
Tomstaman 3 months ago
*thought it was airsoft, was in for pleasant suprise*
jimmy134496 3 months ago
We have the gun that came after this, the Savage Model 12.
HackerAndBootSniffer 3 months ago
shit bro your acturate
bOxman097 3 months ago
nice
newsblastsocialmedia 3 months ago
I bought one of these and its a POS. the shells always get lodged.
DukeofEd2186 3 months ago
@xboxlover749 because world at war and the cod series ranges arent real dumbass
godownweeniegodown23 3 months ago
@godownweeniegodown23 i was using basic logic IDIOT, obvioulsy a trench is close quarters , so you'd think that a TRENCH GUN would have a wide spread, instead of a long range shot. STUPID.
xboxlover749 3 months ago
@xboxlover749 just shut….shut….shut your mouth… your coming off stupid…if you knew the slightest things of guns and ammo you would understand. but unfortunately you have clearly wasted all your brain cells on tv and video games….. hence your name… but anyways you probably have never even shot a gun so you dont understand.
godownweeniegodown23 3 months ago
@godownweeniegodown23 got a bit of a stammer there, but also if i could i would post a video of me shooting my .357 magnum rounds off my my smith an' wesson, single handed. scoring a bullseye on a water bottle at 30 feet.
xboxlover749 3 months ago
beast
DicKlodaLOVE 3 months ago
is this a 12 guage?
Daltorproductions 3 months ago
if this is a trench gun, then why does it have very good range?
xboxlover749 3 months ago
@xboxlover749 Shotguns can go a pretty far range. I think hes using birdshot 2 3/4 shells. But if he as using slugs. Then the round would go much farther
anthonyrothwell 3 months ago
@xboxlover749 cuz video games are fake.
DeadJack34 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@DeadJack34 i was using basic logic IDIOT, obvioulsy a trench is close quarters , so you'd think that a TRENCH GUN would have a wide spread, instead of a long range shot. STUPID.
xboxlover749 3 months ago
im sorry do u have a license for tht patato
fatty123456789ify 3 months ago
so what big city do you live in LOL just kidding
GooTubeisGreedy 3 months ago
woah thats a good aim!
ThaMrFailer 3 months ago
as seen on call of cuty
mattpelli1 3 months ago
@dan13718 Dude you have a fucking foot fetish so stfu
m4killa97 3 months ago
Will the reproduction 1897 allow you to fan fire? (The original 1897 did not have a trigger cut off mechanism and after firing the first round the gun would fire as long as the trigger was held back and the slide was moved). I have an original model 1897 it will do this. Even if it does not fan fire, the 1897, original or reproduction, is a great gun.
mikeblaw 4 months ago
do they make these guns anymore?
Skattles54 4 months ago
1 putting shells in 6 reload 7 fire
CyberJadeBlade88 4 months ago
Its in very nice condition. And shoots great. Nice vid
j58bear 4 months ago
Very nice.
swbyrd 4 months ago
Dear Santa...
knives4cash 4 months ago
model 1897 pump shotgun,another perennial classic from the wizard of ogden.......
smartacus88 4 months ago
Very smooth shell loading my friend!
CrimsonCylinder 4 months ago
Where do you buy this gun? =)
LovableWhiteWolf 4 months ago
how much are these bad boy's, i know it's a classic gun
albin43211 4 months ago
@MushroomPictures No - it has a 2 3/4 chamber.
DrakeGmbH 4 months ago 9
@DrakeGmbH How has this shotgun held up over use? I read on a forum that the Chinese clones fall apart (!) after a while, which would be a major reason for me NOT to get it. Do you feel confident shooting this gun with high brass, heavier loaded (still 2 3/4) shot and slugs? Also I am of the opinion that this shotgun COULD be a viable home defense option when compared to a modern shotgun (your opinion on that?). As you show in the video, it works quite well, even stacked against the 590 or 870!
LifeisGood762 4 months ago
@LifeisGood762 only reason i would choose a 590A1 over this (very small margin) is that it is modern, 3 inch chamber, and it takes the fairly common M9 bayonet, M1897 bayonets are harder to find, though in terms of home defense, they are both excellent choices, since most any criminal can be downed without 3 inch shells. reliability of the chinese manufacturing i cannot adress though.
metalraider187 4 months ago
@LifeisGood762 I had a Mossberg as a home defense gun before I bought this 1897. I haven't seen any reason to replace the Mossberg in that role. The Mossberg's action is smoother, the capacity is higher, the gun itself is a bit lighter, it has a thumb safety and an easier to operate action lock button. The 1897 hasn't exhibited any flaws since I've owned it but I can't wholeheartedly recommend it if you only want one shotgun for home defense and target shooting.
DrakeGmbH 4 months ago
@DrakeGmbH Ok, fair.
LifeisGood762 4 months ago
@LifeisGood762 I own an Original Model 97 (my great grandfathers) C. 1923 and they are phenomenal guns. Both the 590 and 870 were designed after this gun. I have heard the Norinco copies are pretty Cheap. I handled one at my local FFL and it felt pretty solid. but as drake says the 500 has a much smoother action and is more suited towards that Role. if anything the model 97 should be considered a fun gun.
tehmediasource 3 months ago
MANNN.....
yeah75204 4 months ago
One of my more favorite shotguns. I myself prefer the Remington 870 Super Mag.
acr2121 4 months ago
@acr2121 yea i hear these m97's only take 2 3/4 shells, which is a small shame for me since i love this beautiful trench gun.
metalraider187 4 months ago
@metalraider187 Why is that a shame? I dont know all that much about guns, i know the names of the ones ive shot, and the caliber of the bullet/shell they use.
acr2121 4 months ago
@acr2121 2 3/4 shells are sort of the regular, 3' shells are magnum loads, as in the shell is 3 inches long, it has more shot/slug/whatever and more gunpowder=more power. so a 2 3/4 shell is 2 and 3 quarter inches long, its still plenty powerful, but the magnum loads are called magnum because they are really, really powerful.
i digress, 3 inch shells are fun to go shoot with too, many newer shotguns have 3 inch chambers though to take the big loads.
metalraider187 4 months ago
@metalraider187 Ah, that makes perfect sense. The Super Mag. my uncle had was the turkey hunter version, so it used the 3 inch magnum shells, that thing HURTS to shoot.
acr2121 4 months ago
@acr2121 it hurts so good
metalraider187 4 months ago
@metalraider187 My girlfriend takes big loads.
MrSheissen1 4 months ago
@MrSheissen1 from your 3 inch magnum? (had to pun it)
metalraider187 4 months ago
@metalraider187 Touche:)
MrSheissen1 4 months ago
@metalraider187 You typically would not use 3" magnum shells in a tactical or combat shotgun even if it has a 3" chamber! . In fact loads that are designed for combat use are often somewhat lower powered. Most experts believe the ability to fire a a follow up shot quickly is more important than the greater power of a magnum shell.
shwesq 4 months ago
@shwesq they are still fun, though I can beat that with an AA12 loaded for 3 inch shells, hows that for fast followups?
metalraider187 4 months ago
@metalraider187 The AA12 is like the Desert Eagle pistol;mechanically it is very impressive but its weight and bulk make it awkward in actual tactical situations That's probably why AA12's aren't being used by the military or law enforcement . It's also illegal for normal civilians to own. Recovery times between shots with real world shot guns will be faster with 2-3/4 " shells!
shwesq 4 months ago
@shwesq yea, unless you mess around with the gas system on it, but the bulk problem doesnt go away. I think the russians got it right earlier with the Saiga as a magazine fed shotgun, and you can use 3 inch shells in those if you take it to a gunsmith and its not much larger than an AR carbine. But I digress, sometimes its just nice to have the power, 3 inch shells only practical use is as a big game hunting round.
metalraider187 4 months ago
@metalraider187 Saigas are nice esp. if you already have an AK. Mags can be a problem though. You will want to go factory for reliability's sake. But Izhmash 8 rdrs are pricey and hard to get. Kvar got a shipment of 100 and sold them all within 24 hrs for $130 a pop!
The Benelli M4 is also nice but for $1500 you deserve to get the original military gun not the watered down civilian version!
shwesq 4 months ago
@shwesq oh well, I just follow a common rule- if it has a bayonet lug, then its worth buying, like this M97 or the M590A1. Then again many people act like semi autos are so much faster than pump actions.
metalraider187 4 months ago
@metalraider187 I think you are right on that one. If you get the M97 make sure to get on of the original bayonets rather than a repro; they fit perfectly and had to pass British Military proof tests. If you get the Mossberg get the USMC's Okc3s it's got a longer stronger blade than the M9.
shwesq 4 months ago
that's not a trench gun! that's a sniper.
Zackfish12345 4 months ago
@Zackfish12345 ... I don't know where to start with you.
1. it uses shot gun shells not bullets
2. there is not a scope (I know that a scope isn't allways nessecary but it is a defining feature)
3. that is not long range
how did you come to this conclusion
Oh yes, I heard that the trench gun can fire semi auto if you supress the trigger and pump the action, can anyone confirm this?
tanith117 4 months ago
@tanith117 it can in fact fire semi auto if you hold the trigger down.
metalraider187 4 months ago
@tanith117 haha ik but i just wanted to see how people might react if i said that! :)
Zackfish12345 4 months ago
@Zackfish12345 oh thank god, I was worried for a moment.
tanith117 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
So much want
MrBrosiden 4 months ago
Where did you get your Gun from??????
MercDesertPunk 4 months ago
THIS IS GOOD FOR JUSTIN BIEBER'S HEAD !!
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