Westall '66 UFO story on Today Tonight 03/06/2010

[CaptainHusky]

This video has the most rational UFOlogist I have ever seen.

[MotocrossJ46Qld]

@simpsonmark i know



[katalizi]

Cool ... our Men In Black wear Blue. Nice touch. Also, how does one become a MIB? I'm up for it!

[hoffmanshades]

@katalizi Maybe you were one once but don't remember. :)

[blizzard4422]

PHD is UFOlogy! you mean this guy actually paid money to get laughed at whenever anyone askes "whats you PHD in?"

[arielzhouful]

1:24 wat the fuck is that

[Mycterizian]

Funny if they are weather balloons why all the military activity. Seriously people are not stupid and this swamp gas, weather balloons, and the star of Venus is ridiculous.

[resedoton]

These so-called skeptics are actually deniers.

[Troobudd]

sceptics... open your mind, the universe never ends!

[Castaril]

A similar case like this happened in Zimbabwe (Rhodesia). Only difference is that the students claim that beings came out of the crafts. Drawings were made as well. Search "zimbabwe ufo" in youtube, top video.

[SarahConnerArms]

lol - if it was a military aircraft or the like, you can imagine the conversation when they got back to base: "For god sakes soldier, you had to land on a school oval in the middle of recess?" "Sorry, sir, I'll try to be more secret next time"

[SarahConnerArms]

lol - if it was a military aircraft or the like, you can imagine the conversation when they got back to base: "For god sakes soldier, you had to land in a school oval in the middle of recess?" "Sorry, sir, I'll try to be more secret next time"

[sakurasblossomify]

the kids were walking around these discs.skeptics no-more!!!!!!!!!!

[200811667]

hahaha i went to westall totally a shit hole

this is probably the best thing that come out of westall

[johnmoreland]

See the whole documentary here:

realufos

Then decide for your self wether the witnesses are actors and liars......or not :)

[anthonystjohn]

how about a bit more credit for Shane Ryan? 80% of the footage used in this TT story was directly from his film! Not surprising though really...

[lizabixable]

Oh 200 people saw it? They all couldn't identify it? Oh well it still must be a balloon or a plane. Cuz no one knows what those look like out of all those 200 people. Skeptics are fucking stupid.

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[RaymondS2121]

THUMBS UP IF YOUR FROM WESTALL :D

[moregoldmoregold]

Hows the sceptic ''it was a weather balloon'' that's getting old dude..

[freefalln329]

@moregoldmoregold are weather balloons even used anymore??

[hoffmanshades]

@moregoldmoregold From Wiki - "The Sun and The Herald newspapers, while not mentioning the Westall incident, both published cartoons in the following day's editions that made light of the flying saucer phenomena" Weird...

[georgethebear59]

If nothing happend, then why was the military there? If ET,s do not exist, why are they so worried about it. If whatever they saw and is supposed to be top secret, then why are they showing themselves to the public. The military are asking for it. Why show off and then deny it. Also, people being threatened for something that never happend. Hmm.!!!

[letouriste007]

@georgethebear59 what you say is correct

[debrainwasher]

georgethebear59, UFO secrecy was very commun during the cold war, because these things could be very well Soviet crafts and/or US spy vehicles. E.g. 10'000s of US resident sweard to God, they saw an alien spacecraft before the B-2 had been declassified. Today, UFO-secrecy has gone, but a people-fooling, multi-billion exo-ufoistic conspiracytainment industry survived. And they use manipulative means like cults to catch their victims (aka believers).

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[johnmoreland]

@debrainwasher Who is running this conspiracy?

[debrainwasher]

@johnmoreland There are no conspiracies, but a people-fooling industry that lives on fabricated conspiracies. Hundreds of flavors are available. E.g. Exo-ufoism, Illuminati, chemtrails, 9/11, space- and planetary conpiracy, free-energy, etc.. The names behind this industry are e.g. David Icke, Serge Monast, Steven Greer, Joseph P. Skipper, Michael Salla, Stanton Freakman, Jose Escamilla, James Fox, Richard C. Hoaxland - and thousends others.

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[johnmoreland]

@debrainwasher Yes, people cash in on the psychology of hope. But your theory does not explain the house size thing that I saw zoom out of the clouds, do a right angle turn then zoom back into the clouds. I don't take drugs so was unlikely to be hallucinating.

[debrainwasher]

@johnmoreland Nobody denies, people see unusual things in the sky, they can't identify due to lack of sufficient data. That's the definition of the acronym UFO. Hundreds of brain-, natural- and man-made UFO-stimuli are known. The business starts right here: Ordinary terran people are too primitive, they would even come to the idea to use scientific instruments and/or methodology to discover the true nature of a particular UAP-sighting. Instead, they freak out and in the best case, they manage...

[debrainwasher]

... (ff 2) to capture some blurry, shaky and out-of the focus imagery. Then, they become stunned as a bunny and fill in the gaps of missing knowledge with beliefs (of all sorts) and are at the exo-ufoistic publishing industry's disposal. This industry provides them a sound brainwashing - and expensive, useless pseudoscientific publications. To solve your case afterwards is impossible. So you have to cope with the unknown. Maybe, a psychologist could help you with your experience.

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[johnmoreland]

@debrainwasher The experience does not bother me. No need for a psychologist. I accept the unknown. It was there, I was there, and I don't know what the thing was. Humans don't know everything yet, so thats the category of reality this thing is in. The other one I saw, the guy I was with saw it too, he saw it first, I was driving then stopped and we got out and watched it.

[debrainwasher]

@johnmoreland Common to all UAP sightings is, causes are far not as mysterious as people think, and, observers never manage to get scientific data and proofs for a particular case. Further, they have no idea about advanced physics. The best thing people can do is to ignore such experiences and trust their governments. They are committed to protect you from dangerous things (devastating technologies included) and provide a functioning society. Many scientists do a great job for you.

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[johnmoreland]

@debrainwasher It could be argued that no-one on earth has knowledge about advanced physics, including all of our scientists, that is, the advanced physics that we will be aware of in say 1000 years time. The thing I saw was profoundly mysterious. It convinced me that we are at preschool - physics wise. I agree with you that many on this earth are not ready for whatever energy was unleashed in that object. It did not seem to be affected by inertia.

[debrainwasher]

@johnmoreland If you have no idea about advanced quantum physics (farther developped than the Standard Model) does not mean automatically, nobody else had this knowledge. People always forget, their govts are in duty to keep away all technologies from the general populace that pose a significant danger. As your next supermarket won't sell you weapons-grade uranium or a manual to synthetize VX nerve agent, access to far more dangerous things is restricted too.

Everything is affected by ....

[debrainwasher]

... (ff 2) inertia according to Newton's Lex II (F=m·a). Since gravitation, acceleration and an other natural force (I won't talk about here) attach to the graviton of every single subatomic particle, you can form a force vector, in that a body is in a steady free fall condition. Hence, you can do e.g. an instantanious U-turn at Mach 10 - and you felt zero g-forces (provided, your power supply can deliver the required peak-power) So there is nothing magic with your sighting.

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[johnmoreland]

@debrainwasher I agree that there is nothing magic about my sighting, as I never mentioned the word 'magic'. I said mysterious which is different. If someone put a warhead on the thing I saw..... Any 'behind closed doors' level physics will still undergo more development, discovery and breakthrough given another 1000 years of progress.

[debrainwasher]

johnmoreland, I have to admit, magic and mysteries are somehow undistinguishable in this business, but I can assert you, no 1000 years are required to understand all interactions between matter and all natural forces, but a couple of centuries are required people evolve to a stage, they can handle these things in a responsible manner. And we don't talk about some lights in the sky, but about a completly new meaning of Einstein's famous law E=m·c² (1kg=9E16J). Simply trust your govt.

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[johnmoreland]

@debrainwasher Only someone whom already understands all interactions between all types of matter and all natural forces or knows of groups whom do would be able to determine the approximate duration it takes for a species scientific endeavors to reach that full understanding. Groups whom say they understand everything might well do so, though alternatively, they may actually not know everything but just believe they do.

[debrainwasher]

@johnmoreland to understand all natural forces and their interactions with matter and to know everything are pretty different things. It's already reflected in the terms: A GUT (Grand Unification Theory) unifies quantum physics with relativity [in a context I won't talk about here], while a TOE (Theory of everything) brings together all structures and interactions of all possible universes. Nobody knows, how long it will take to develop and validate the 'right' TOE.

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[johnmoreland]

@debrainwasher [in a context I won't talk about here] Why not talk about the context here?

[debrainwasher]

@johnmoreland I don't talk about details of applied MDQP (Multi-Dimensional Quantum Physics) for two reasons: The first is, I was instructed not to do. Then, as a responsible chemist would never publish how to synthetize nerve agents from everyday-chemicals, I'm responsible enough to not publish details about things, with that every insane individue could turn a major continent into a smoking crater. Lights in the sky won't harm you. The technology in the wrong hands can do that job.

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[johnmoreland]

@debrainwasher Interesting chat. The phenomena has harmed some, physically and psychologically, but this harm is rare. To stop human aggression would be wonderful. We need a world government that controls things even more and/or or everyone must be far far nicer to everyone. Ild prefer the later. A change in every individuals psychology is needed. Less consumers might help too.

[debrainwasher]

@johnmoreland Well, for many people it might be a surprising fact, but propulsion is always based on one form of energy into mechanical energy. As we have unlucky people, who come too close to a plane's jet engine and are etither processed into tartar by the compressor fan, fried alive by the exhaust gases, or both, too curious people should always consider, a GEM-engine (Gravito-Electro-Magnetic) does exactly the very same thing. As a byproduct, air molecules are accelerated too and ....

[debrainwasher]

... (ff 2) ... experience collision ionisation. According to Maxwell's laws, every accelerated charged particle creates a photon according to the equation E=m·v²/2=h·f; where E=energy, m=mass, v=velocity, h=Planck's constant, f=frequency. Ions and electrons are charged particles. Such a flux of photons with all levels of energies translates from very bright light- up to X-ray- and gamma-radiation. Hence, this is not the type of enlighting, you wanted to have a close encounter with.

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[johnmoreland]

@debrainwasher The air ionization you describe could explain an air-glow around an object. I wonder if the same idea could be applied to the surface, and why an object may seem to be self illuminated, as if the light were emanating from every part of the solid surface, even kind of from inside the surface. An orange ember-like color for example, looking like every molecule in the surface is in a different state to what we are familiar with.

[debrainwasher]

@johnmoreland Your observation is correct. Every metallic conductor (the hull of a craft included) has lots of free electrons (sometimes termed as electron-gas) When these charges are accelerated by the craft's own pulsed PGMEs (Primary Gravitomagnetic Engines, aka the main engine-set) the electrons produce strong electromagnetic-radiation from RF- to UV-range. The hull appears glowing or even apparently semi-transparent. To compensate these EMI-effects (that would fry the avionics) and ...

[debrainwasher]

(ff 2) ... damage biological tissue, there is a SGME (Secondary GM-Engine). It has a high precision feedback-control and asserts a steady, gradient-free, 1g-acceleration in the cabin (1g=9.81m/s²). Since powerful GME-field generators can easily kill humans and incapacitate electrical and electronical systems remotly, the technology and underlying physics is kept away from the public for decades. And for the next centuries, this state won't change. So I don't tell you details.

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[johnmoreland]

@debrainwasher The relationship between matter at distance intrigues me. I've always wondered about bells theorem and its fully realized ramifications. That it's possibly hinting at something that connects matter, passing information between matter - and wether this something is intwined with living consciousness - or independent to consciousness. It is interesting that some scientists are utilizing quantum scattering but are still unsure about its fundamental principal.

[debrainwasher]

@johnmoreland Although Bell wasn't wrong, contemporary advanced MDQP use rather Heisenberg's locality principle and quantized wave functions to describe local-,  (non-compactified) multidiminesional- and macroscopic particle-interactions. Such extended functions deliver exactly the outcome of the SM when projected into the 4DIM spacetime and can describe many observations in a pretty engineerable manner. So MDQP is _the_ hot potato. Consciousness is not subject of a GUT yet.

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[johnmoreland]

@debrainwasher Even considering that I cant verify if you are genuine, its an interesting view you put forth. Rarely do those interested in this area bring up the dangers of the gravity control and associated power sources - and Ive researched a lot - it never gets mentioned! So so rarely have any of the "big" researchers talked about the violence prevalent in the human animal combined with this technology. They just go on about disclosure, free energy etc.

[debrainwasher]

@johnmoreland If I provided tangible proofs and validation experiments for MDQP, I could offer for sale weapons grade Pu239 in a webshop as well. Since I don't sell books, nor I plan to get a Nobel prize, I have no reasons to come forward with details. My only intention is to show people, there are pretty much more things, our ever busy conspiracytainment industry sells them, while the motivation is driven by security concerns - and not greed. My screenname isn't a coincidence.

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[johnmoreland]

@debrainwasher If you are genuine, I understand that you cant prove it. I just wish physics was my speciality. I only got up to basic calculus. When I saw object one my instinct was that it was man-made, and thought "I know about it...Im sure my government does". Im Australian. Object two could have been man-made too. But object three??? That one had me stumped. Where and how on earth could a pencil shaped object miles long be manufactured. A tourist vehicle came to mind.

[debrainwasher]

@johnmoreland You can be pretty sure, your govt knows what's flying over your head and I'd suggest to trust them. Although I still won't give away any proof about the used technology itself, at least I can provide you glimpse into a piece of SBU (sensitive, but unclassified) of theory. I'll provide you the link in private message for security reasons. And don't be surprised about the origin. This is the real stuff. Welcome in the reality.

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[johnmoreland]

@debrainwasher Ill rephrase. Only someone whom already understands all interactions between all matter and all natural forces or knows of groups whom do would be able to determine the approximate duration it takes for a species scientific endeavors to reach that full understanding. So why do you say you know this duration?

[djc0248]

The UFO report on "Police UFO" site is more believable becayse it involves a UFO followed by Police over a 5 hour period in Rockbank/Melton in 1983 6 Police officers watched and even shone their spotlight on this craft and their are Police reports about the incident not kids in a School yard. Sounds like someone should produce a documentary on that incident.

[Vleesball]

i watch TV series and films on this site and this docu was on there and its fucking gone ! wtf

not one show or anything gets removed due to copyrights or whatever but this docu got :s strange lol

[1040steman]

@Vleesball try  megashares and look in search..

[johnmoreland]

Near by a weather ballon was released? Wow Saunders, so what? The witness AGREE its no way It could have been a ballon. End of that ignorant theory.

[ncf1]

Pretty easy to explain. The 200 witnesses were obviously all on crack, the lunch food obviously spiked by the canteen ladies who were crack dealers. The missing can of the channel 9 report, condensation got to it obviously. The ground was immediately burnt because of a massive termite attack and they had to do something about it. The UFO expert is an Elvis impersonator. Paul Smith is clearly off his head on morphine. And there you have it - problem solved!

[OMGSEASALT]

@bubsalvin. Yet you still have no evidence of that either.

[cyberho73]

@bubsalvin Yes I agree with you some people minds are so narrow,

I run a Conspiracy or Truth group on facebook feel free to join alot of really

cool info flows though it..

Here is the link

I wont let me post the link but if you search on F.B it called Conspiracy or Truth

[australvadorian]

I went to westall from prep to year 12 and I never saw any aliens. I want my money back!

[johnmoreland]

Yea skeptics, one question for you. Why are the military interested in covering up a weather balloon? Its good that the skeptics are included is this documentary, we can see how foolish their statements are alongside the facts.

[OMGSEASALT]

@johnmoreland

Here's some facts

There are no skeptics in the documentary

The original report was of 4 or five people seeing the object move about and land then a Teacher seeing an object playing cat and mouse with five light aircraft. Not 200.

The military has zero documents talking about the events at Westall.

It would have taken 20 minutes for the military to get to the school.

[johnmoreland]

@OMGSEASALT Is that Saunders there in the documentary? Or is that a clip of him from somewhere else. He is a skeptic and so is the Phd guy. And the military turned up according to some witnesses. Of course the military would have zero documents if they were intent on covering it up. That to be expected of them.

[IsAyLmAo]

Just watched this 5 minutes ago on Foxtel... Very interesting. I do believe that this is real because I myself have seen a UFO/Flying Saucer. No lie. I will share my story if wanted. :)

[BTsmoke]

@IsAyLmAo I would like to hear about your sighting, thanks.

[OMGSEASALT]

This was much better then the documentary. The documentary doesn't talk about the Age's article or the letter to the editor about the drogue and basically shitted on the principal.

[OMGSEASALT]

@bubsalvin

WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT ALIENS HAVE VISITED.

[gabblewba]

Mass sighting of over 200 witnesses, rare and interesting!

[OMGSEASALT]

@gabblewba How 5 turns into 200 How does that happen?

[gabblewba]

@OMGSEASALT Its called listening at segment 2:30 of this vid.

[gbilios]

@bubsalvin its stolen technology from nazi germany..

[gbilios]

@bubsalvin..the australian army does not have any reports on this incident..

[km001]

Thanks for the informative video. I hope this encourages more people to research the Westall incident, and more broadly the analytical side of ufology.

[KarateKidRyan]

i am the first person to see this video yeah