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  • LOL Don Davis would be proud of you.

  • @candr

    Wow, that's high praise...not sure if I'm anywhere *near* that calibre, but thank you!

  • @fragomatik I call it as I see it LOL. And I loved his paintings of the Stanford torus.

  • Hhhmmmnnn......

    Somehow, I seem to have neglected to comment on this one. Good work, man. Like Stanford Torus, only much bigger, while still keeping below Bishop Ring size.

  • Awesome! Reminds me of Ringworld (although much, much smaller) and the Citadel Presidium from Mass Effect.

  • @fadookie

    Cheers :)

    ...did you say Ringworld?

    v=j6Uc4Hlj2kQ

  • Why are the top two comments practically the same?

  • @stratocaster1986able said "Why are the top two comments practically the same?"

    I don't see what you mean. Which comments, by which posters?

  • @fragomatik The top two comments (clue's in the sentence), in fact, they are by you, but are the same.

  • @stratocaster1986able said "The top two comments (clue's in the sentence)"

    When I'm signed-in YT shows *new* posts first, with the "Top Posts" section *much* further down. So, you saying "the top two" was kinda ambiguous, fair enough?

    Ok, they're similar comments coz they're responses to 2 *similar* posts, posted 2 months apart. Those responses are the most upvoted so they've sorted to the top of the Top Posts section.

    To see comments in order use the THREAD view.

  • Its to bad most of us wont be around to see the beginning of the ring world construction times.A massive undertaking that must require future asteroid mining that could be space tugged to earth for construction.

  • the simple and basic spaceship shows how good you really are.

    I am looking for a partner in a sci fi project and if you actualy created the ring that, with respect, is also very basic, but cleverly applied.

    Is there going to be a spaceship worthy of flying inside your bicycle tyre?

    Nice film though but too simple to model and I guess you are going to up the model standard?

    It deserves it!

  • @taketimeout2

    Thanks for taking the time to comment!

    Do you mean the red flying-car? Yes, its a very simple model, but used only to add interest to the video. In practice, its unlikely personal transport would be needed within the habitat

    Please have a look at my other 2 videos for 'updated' versions of the bicycle tyre (torus) habitats:

    v=oazFe2jbMxw  (Habitat 2)

    v=Wn-e5QlfJWA (Torus Redux)

    My next video will feature Kalpana One, a cylindrical habitat.

  • see what you did!

    now i want to play vanquish.

  • Banks came up with the name Halo, though.

  • @Naibasaki said "Banks came up with the name Halo, though"

    Citation?

  • @fragomatik The name of the AI running the orbital/ringworld in the book "Against a Dark Background" was named Halo if I'm not mistaken.

  • @Naibasaki

    Hmmm...that's a *bit* of a stretch...but I'll allow it ;)

  • People don't seem to realize that the artificial structures that appear in Halo have been a part of scientific theory for a LONG time. Go look up "Dyson Sphere". Fascinating stuff really.

  • @Wraithldr13

    Couldn't agree more!

    It's interesting to see how visionary scientists such as Tsiolkovski, Cole, Dyson and O'Neill have influenced SF books, art and video games. Larry Niven was looking for a more "elegant" Dyson Sphere and invented the Ringworld. Later, Iain Banks refined this concept to create the Banks Orbital. And so on - waves-upon-waves of ideas and concepts rippling through the culture. Sadly, the movie industry seems to be lagging behind a bit...

  • @Wraithldr13 LQG

  • Could someone please tell me the name of the song of this video?

  • @jesserosas88

    It's called "Synergy-Orbital". It's a system "generated" track created within the Cyberlink SmartSound music generator that comes with the PowerDirector video editing software.

    SmartSound creates music to match the length & style of your video, with a number of genres to choose from.

    So - basically - it's computer generated music from a library of sound samples.

  • question... how would the atmosphere be effected with no moon and possibly no wind? albeit that the station isnt within the lunar perimeter, and if so, how would the closeness of the moon effect the overal water cycle/nature in general?

  • @LonelyWolf4269

    The habitat is too small & lunar gravity too weak to create true tides. Coriolis effects from rotation & warm/cool convection currents would create mild breezes.

    In these sort of "closed systems", nature & water-cycle can be emulated to an extent. Plants & crops take-up CO2, nutrients, water & sunlight, & give-off Oxygen & water vapour. Animals take-in oxygen, water & nutrients from the plants & farm animals, & give out CO2 and nutrient wastes for the plants.

  • /watch?v=Xg-aSTbIhP8

    i think this song fits better with this video lol ENERGY RULES!!

  • @TechnoClassic

    ...needs moar cowbell lol

  • ITS HALO!

  • @namekman01

    No. This is a Stanford Torus, which pre-dates Halo by 26 years:

    * 1971 author Larry Niven invents the "Ringworld" (see my other vids)

    * 1975 Prof Gerard O'Neil of Stanford Uni designs the Stanford Torus (video above)

    * 1987 author Iain Banks invents the Banks Orbital (influenced by Niven)

    * 1997 author Forrest Bishop invents the Bishop Ring (influenced by Niven & O'Neil)

    * 2001 Bungie publish Halo - INFLUENCED BY NIVEN, BISHOP & BANKS

    Knowing stuff is cool, huh?

  • @fragomatik aye

  • @namekman01 actually the ring physically much smaller than halo

  • Great Concept.

    But is there enough metal and materials to build such a mega "continent" in space using Earth's materials?

    Unless you mine asteroids, but did humans have asteroid mining tech back in the 1970's?

    Hmmm.......

  • @MoistKing

    Thanks for the comment...

    Bear in mind this object is only 2km diameter - not quite a mega continent :)

    No, it was not intended to be built from Earth materials, except (of course) for complex components such as electronics, etc.

    The intention was to assemble in NEO from Lunar materials and/or from debris harvested from the Lagrange Points. Yes, mining of "captured" asteroids was also one of the suggested strategies back-in-the-day.

    (CONTINUED...>)

  • @MoistKing

    (CONTINUED...)

    The Torus was *one* part of an overall strategy. The idea was to provide a permanent habitat in near-Earth space for those who would construct a network of Solar Power Satellites. The Torus design has *many* drawbacks. Modern updates (eg. Kalpana One) address many of these issues, but the overall strategy remains the same:

    1. Lunar/Lagrange-point mining ops

    2. Construction in space from Lunar resources / Lagrange debris / captured asteroids

    3. Build & maintain SPSs

  • ok where are the covenet we need master chief to smash halo

  • @DrfeelgoodPhD69

    This is a Stanford Torus. Similar idea but *much* smaller than HALO:

    * 1971 author Larry Niven invents the "Ringworld" (see my other vids)

    * 1975 Prof Gerard O'Neil of Stanford Uni designs the Stanford Torus (video above)

    * 1987 author Iain Banks invents the Banks Orbital (influenced by Niven)

    * 1997 author Forrest Bishop invents the Bishop Ring (influenced by Niven & O'Neil)

    * 2001 Bungie publish Halo - INFLUENCED BY NIVEN, BISHOP & BANKS

    ...the more you know... :)

  • This is the ring of the Cytadel from Mass effect!

  • @MrSairoMax

    ...similar idea, yes.

  • Cool?

  • Lary Niven's Ring world is the shit.

    Known space reminds me of the Mass effect universe. Niven has clearly had a huge influence on the world of science fiction and gaming. Read the book you will not be let down.

  • @louderpowder

    I'm a BIG fan of Niven! Have you seen the Ringworld vid on my channel? I'm currently re-modelling the Lying Bastard, trying to make it as authentic as possible. Soon, I will upload a video showing the Liar's design - airlock and landing skids, and inertia-less thrusters, etc...

  • Looks more like a halo ring to me.

  • @MrCookiebuns said "Looks more like a halo ring to me"

    Let me put it into perspective for you:

    * 1971 author Larry Niven invents the "Ringworld" (see my other vids)

    * 1975 Prof Gerard O'Neil of Stanford designs the Stanford Torus (video above)

    * 1987 author Iain Banks invents the Banks Orbital (influenced by Niven)

    * 1997 author Forrest Bishop invents the Bishop Ring (influenced by Niven & O'Neil)

    * 2001 Bungie publish Halo - INFLUENCED BY NIVEN, BISHOP & BANKS

    ...you're welcome!

  • Is Habitat the name of a game, or landscape modeling software???

  • @thentangler

    No, not the name of a game, or landscape modelling software. "Habitat" is referring to a place that is inhabited. This video shows a fly-through of a proposed space-colony or space-habitat. I didn't design the original (that was done by rocket-scientists in the 70s), but I did model this in 3D software named "IMAGINE".

  • @fragomatik +

    Ok, So you just named it after the concept. Cos I know there is a trademarked scape like this called Ringworld.

    But you modeled this whole landscape right? Thats awesome dude!!. I was looking for template like this. Would it be there in the IMAGINE modelling software??

  • @thentangler

    Thanks man! Have a look at my other videos. I've tried my hand at modelling the Ringworld, too! I'm a big fan of Niven's & SciFi.

    Imagine is the 3d modelling/rendering software. You'd need to build the model & texture it, etc, to get it to look kinda like the real thing would. That's what I did.

    Do a wiki search on IMAGINE & you'll find some info which may be of interest, including where to get a legit copy. Also, google STANFORD TORUS & you'll see where I got my inspiration.

  • thanks for posting this buddy.

  • @1simo93521

    ...and thanks to *you* for subbing, pal :)

  • DAILY VARIETY: Early estimates project 'Ringworld' for 2015, but currently slated for pre-production in 4-Q-2011 with James Cameron's 'LightStorm Entertainment.'

    No leaked confirmation as to whether Cameron will be involved directly in a creative capacity or perform his wizardry on the business side as the project's Exec Producer (as claimed by Hollywood insiders!)

    Early estimates are budgeting the film at $500 mil (min) with a ceiling cap of $750-800 mil (max) w/ completion bonds and guarantor.

  • @organizedatheism said "...Early estimates project 'Ringworld' for 2015, but currently slated for pre-production in 4-Q-2011 with James Cameron's 'LightStorm Entertainment.' "

    Holy cow, with a minimum of 1/2 billion yankee dollars budget, they *should* at least get the special FX right :p

    I wonder who they will cast as Louis..? Or Teela...? Oh god, can you imagine the myriad ways they could fuck-up the casting, not to mention the writing. Not sure whether I should feel excitement or dread...

  • @fragomatik I really hope this movie gets made right. Teela better be really effen hot, i mean she is like the luckiest girl in know space right? World of Ptavvs wold make a good movie too, I laughed soo hard when they hooked Greenberg up to the slaver in the stasis field, such a bad idea.

  • @louderpowder

    I always imagined Teela as someone like Zoey Deschanel -attractive but not a bombshell. Vulnerable so you sort of feel protective of her like Louis Wu did in the book.

    YES to "World Of Ptaavs"! A great story for mainstream viewers too, being basically a race-against-time across the solar system.

    My favourite is Protector. It speculates on so many things, like evolution & the nature of free-will for a hyper-intelligent creature, & a plague that spreads itself intelligently. Wow!

  • good vid - fucked up music

  • @SuperHardshell LOL! Yeah, well as I said in another comment, music is not my strong suit, and to be quite honest music is not as important to *me* as the actual video.

    In this case I simply used the music that comes with the editing suite I have.

    But, hey I'm always on the look-out for good Creative Commons music to use on my vids. On the BubbleWorld video I used a cool CC instrumental track which I reckon is just brilliant...at least it's better than I could do, that's for sure :)

  • @fragomatik --I wished I hadn't used the term about the music, no intent. Man, I have a big prob. with electronic muzak but that is my prob. but you need to knock on SONYS door and whip us up a game or two. At 58yrs--I like my games. I watched the ones you had & they get a check mark out of this 'ol goat. Good stuff! I saw the comment on your music which tempted me I guess--Keep it up...

  • @SuperHardshell

    Ha ha...no worries! Being a crusty old bastard myself, how can I condemn you for your dislike of electronica? One thing I *can* promise, I'll *never* use the Cyberlink "SmartSound" muzak ever again, now that I've discovered the CC-Mixter website...

    Yep, I love games too! I'd love to see a new Unreal Single Player, or even a proper re-do of Unreal Tournament to make up for that abortive UT3 (aka UT2007). Currently awaiting Portal-2 which I've pre-loaded on Steam. Can't wait!

  • nice camera work

  • Whats the music on this?

  • @northernvoxmedia said "Whats the music on this?"

    The music is from Cyberlink Powedirector video editor. It has its own music library, and a component called Smartsound that takes a music "clip" from its selection and adjusts the length of the music to match the video.

  • Heh, if you could find out how its done. You might could submit hist to the Playstation store or xbla(minus the audio*) as a looping dynamic background

  • very forward thinking- will there be animals and rain? vehicles using petrol? one must also consider who is going to be "of value" living on this colony. the rich and powerful need people to do work for them because they won't want to work, therefore making a two class system......oh man here we go again! very nice idea though, it would be easier to acknowledge alien contact and be their guests on their planet and prove that you are respectful of your new habitat. they will test your virtues.

  • @barroninc

    "will there be animals and rain?"

    Yes - probably

    "vehicles using petrol?"

    Umm, no probably *not*

    "...it would be easier to acknowledge alien contact and be their guests on their planet ..."

    Ok, I was with you up until that point and then you lost me....sorry :(

  • @fragomatik come on man- with a vision like yours, you got lost with the topic of aliens??! who knows they may be able to help...or not (to serve man. lol) a model like yours would definitely release some frequency's into space and the colorful interior would bring curious onlookers, no? you have a great clip, going to show it to my class when we talk about the solar system again!!!

  • @barroninc

    "with a vision like yours"

    Aw, shucks (blushes)

    "to serve man"

    lol nice reference

    Some day we'll build star-ships, but we'll build places like this first, to live & work in space. As with all new frontiers, there'll be risk & reward. New societies will spring forth from the old. There will still be good, there will still be evil, but slowy & steadily we'll keep *improving* until some day we'll become....Homo Galacticus.

    And yeah, we'll probably meet some aliens along the way :)

  • @fragomatik very true fragomatik. i was thinking, if i was in there and looked up and to each side...man oh man, i think i would get claustrophobic! cool video though, it looks very inviting. may i be your guest? i promise i won't make any passes to any galactic homo's... lol i'll keep my hands to myself- using the left feels like a stranger...lol oh man sorry for TMI!

  • @barroninc

    Ha ha, maybe I should have called it (No-Homo) Galacticus.

    Yes, TMI but funny & apt so kudos to you good sir!

    In all seriousness, fascism is on the rise. Fascists instil racism & fear to further their agenda. They oppose both religion & intellectualism. They're only vulnerable to "outside" ideas. Where there's no "outside" there can be no revolt against them. The US founding fathers revolted & colonised the New World.

    Perhaps the next revolutionary society will be born in space?

  • @fragomatik perhaps they are already born and just waiting to make their move. it's people like you that invite people to think beyond the ordinary by taking a ride in your fly by! who would be in charge of your "wheel in the sky"? so many questions to consider when a new habitat is born, eh? i personally feel that living elsewhere is possible we just need to spend more money on research instead of war, eh? perhaps we'll be taught the secrets of traveling at light speed. in good time i suppose.

  • @barroninc

    Perhaps... As for Habitat politics? That's not my strong suit but personally I feel that at the start they'll defer to the Earth govnmts & corps that fund them. As they become self-funded a power-shift will occur. Eventually these "pioneers" will elect their own leadership & pursue their own destiny. Our societies tend to "evolve" along with our tech, for better or worse. For all we know now, the Technological Singularity may render all this talk of "society" and "politics" moot!

    

  • What are the thrusters for?

  • Wouldn't it be nice to manufacture worlds, stars or even galaxies?

  • sweet vid, only problem is the flyer seems too big but that could just be perspective. I hope they put a torus like that in space during my lifetime

  • @Corinthian404 Thanks for the comment...yeah the flyer is done to-scale, but I tend to use a really wide-angle "lens" on these Habitat vids, coz otherwise the field-of-view is too narrow to gauge overall structure.

    A true Stanford Torus (about 10% smaller than this one) would be possible to build using current technology. It has been estimated to take around 5 years to build. We could have had about twenty of these things by now, but instead of building habitats we prefer to wage war :( Sad eh?

  • This is more an Iain M Banks Orbital than a Larry Niven Ringworld. Both great sci fi writers.

  • @SvenTviking

    This is neither, actually. This is a Stanford Torus, based on the Stanford University research in the mid 70's, led by Gerard K O'Neill. This design is about 10% larger than that design & doesn't feature the non-rotating shield-ring or the solar furnace, which I omitted for "artistic" reasons.

    Banks' orbitals are much bigger than this, and the Ringworld is much, MUCH bigger than the Banks Orbital!

    Yes, they are both *great* writers, with great vision. Thanks for your comment :)

  • Frag, when are you making another video??

  • @TheMarkOfTheBeast1

    Ah Beast! WTF it's like you're reading my mind mate!

    I'd meant to have it finished last January, but struck a few probs after upgrading & had to leave it for a while to focus on work & family.

    Anyway, I re-started barely a month ago! Where does the fracking time go?

    All that's left to do is some final detail, lighting & post FX tweaks, but as always, suitable non-copyright music is proving to be a bitch to find...

    It will be ready in the next 3-4 weeks. Stay tuned!

  • great job wish this were all real

  • Looks great!! Who did the music?

  • @JamesIreland

    Thanks for that! The music? ...well, I'm kinda embarrassed to admit it, but it's one of the "generated" soundtracks that comes with the PoweDirector editing suite. The editor automatically adjusts the length of the music track to match the duration of the video track. So it's painless and easy to use, and the "techno" style suits this subject very well.

  • OUTSTANDING!

  • @jpowell180

    :)

    thnx!

  • um, this might be a dumb question but, is the lair's size proportional to ringworld?

  • @cassandra: did you really mean to comment on *this* video?

    The reason I ask is because *this* video isn't of the Ringworld. It is a toroidal Habitat.

    If your question pertains to the *other* videos, then the answer is "kind of"!

    I'll post a 2nd message to explain...

  • I had to fake the scale of some objects to make them visible. Eg. the Ringworld walls are 1600km high, the Liar is 100m long. At full-screen scale, the Liar would be way smaller than a single pixel. My 3d-modelling software has a limit of +/- 32768 points in X, Y & Z directions. The smallest object size can be 0.001 of a unit. This means that if I did the ringworld at its maximum possible size to fit the limits, then the smallest feature would be over 50m in size - too large for fine detail.

  • lol sorry wrong video, thanks for the explanation,

  • no worries ur welcome :)

  • Habitat is superb, but the aircraft not so much. I'd like to see a render without it. Well done.

  • Thanks for the nice comments!

    Yes, well when I created a sample loop of the rotating habitat, it looked a bit "empty" to me, so I added the flying car to add some "interest". I guess I missed the mark in your case :)

    I have rendered a hi-def version of the seamless-loop without the craft. I use it as an animated screen-saver and its kind of mesmerising to watch...

    Do you *really* want it added to my channel?

  • Yes! If you upload it, I'll download it. I'd love to have that on my hard drive.

  • @yocanbanconit :

    No worries! I've emailed you the link. Let me know if you have any problems playing the video.

  • what do you use to make this?

  • @Treldman: the 3d modelling software used was Imagine For Windows (see link in video info).

  • wtf is this...

  • @jake: I understand that you "ent a bookworm" but read the "video info" on my video HABITAT-2. If you are too lazy to do that then here's a brief description: a rotating artificial structure about 2km diameter, built to provide a permanent colony in orbit around the Earth. The little red flying vehicle is a flying-car. It is a demo of what it would look like inside the space habitat. Have a look at the video HABITAT-2. If you still have questions then READ THE INFO *before* asking again here.

  • this is great. if only we had the technology to do this today.

  • @21centuryg The sad thing is that we've had the technology to build something like this since the 1970's. (It's just 1970's engineering.)

    What's missing is the cahones to take the financial risk.

  • Having smaller versions wouldn't cost too much for mars missions, all that time without gravity wouldn't be good for the muscles.

  • @tentsforpaddies are you smoking something of an extraordinary discovery.

  • @BrandonBlaze904

    He makes a good point though. The Stanford Torus was designed using conventional physics & materials. In essence, it is no different to building any other large structure like dams, bridges, highways, railways, etc. Except it's in space :) Of course, the infrastructure, technology & engineering needs to be developed. Usually that's done by govt and/or private investment. We're at the beginning stages right now (eg. VirginGalactic & SpaceX) but give it 1 or 2 centuries :)

  • Fookin perfect! One fine day NASA will drop their crappy vintage and loose-bolt ideas and spring for something as sweet as a Stanford Torus design so all of us can have the opportunity to stand up straight and wave at our neighbors above...

  • @jstreetboy if NASA had the budget to lift all the material to space to make a Standord Torus design habitat, the US wouldnt have money left to wage its wars.

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