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Nice review, But I give credit to HK for their 33 / 93 series as they debuted in the mid 60's, much earlier than other competing 5.56mm designs from Europe.
Austria, France & UK did not offer any 5.56mm rifles until the 70's & Belgium's CAL was a flop that sent FN back to the drawing board for a decade.
The HK33 snapped up a decent export market long before the arrival of the AUG, FAMAS & SA-80.
HK took the risk to develop a 5.56mm rifle when almost everyone else took a (wait-n-see) attitude.
@alexthebomb542 Everyone has an AR15, so they don't usually get cool points on the range. Of course, out in the real world, I don't want to get shot while I'm fumbling with a mag release, charging handle, or selector lever. To do so would be simply unfashionable ;-)
@alexthebomb542 While this is true, the HK33 has a paddle magazine release that makes mag changes easier. The civilian 93 had this feature removed for some reason. I have never found working the selector to be problematic either, and both of my 93s have the same lower as yours. Charging the gun though is undoubtedly more difficult that on an AR though.
@alexthebomb542 The paddle release does help, making mag changes more or less like changing mags on an AK, which is to say, a one-handed affair rather than two. This all comes back to the differences in thought for operating the gun; the HK mags are retained after a reload whereas the AR mags are typically a "drop and forget" single-use item.
@alexthebomb542 You can customize an AR15 more than any other gun, if you want it pink or green etc, anything but boring. The accuracy of the HK93 is boring to me.
@semiautoriflelover1 Might I ask what bores you about the accuracy of the HK93? Reason I ask is that in my experience (see video: 20 round accuracy challenge-HK93A3), with the same ammo type (XM193) the stock 93 with a heavy trigger and iron sights shoots just as accurately as a 16" Barreled AR with a two-stage match trigger and magnified optics. Or maybe I misunderstood the point you are trying to make. From that perspective I would say the 93 is "boringly accurate." ;)
dude really good video. awsome music thru the whole thing, great information, and that last statement was freakin amazing. lmfao ! ''if that makes any sense, and if it doesn't you probably wont understant AT ALL anywayz" BANG ON! that phrase could b applied to sssssoooooooooo many firearms topics when trying to educate others. i just subscribed.
@MrBill297 Anything HK is usually on the higher end of the price scale and their roller-locked rifles are extremely popular and successful (they can be found all over the world). Furthermore, due to being banned from importation, plus the fact that they are no longer made, these rifles fetch a premium. On top of that, there were far fewer HK93s imported than HK91s. The end result is a rifle whose value hovers from $2,500 - $3,000.
@WesMerc Contrary to popular belief, Federal XM193 is not 1MOA ammo, in fact most 10 shot groups show it to be 3-4 MOA ammo at best - and that's when using magnified optics. From my own experience, 20 shots into 5 inches at 100 yards with iron sights is better than what a box-stock M4gery will do with irons.
"The problem with 10-shot groups is that when you report them, everyone thinks you aren't shooting very well or that the ammunition is not good because the group sizes are so much larger than three- or five-shot groups. Also, when we're firing three- or five-shot groups with a flier, it is only natural to assume that it was caused by a flinch or "pulling" the shot. Therefore, since the flier was our own fault, the tendency is to eliminate it from any reporting of group size." -R. Jamison
@MrVideoh Words of wisdom, for sure. A lot of folks leave out all the details when discussing honest to goodness accuracy. I try go out of my way to cover/discuss all the variables when reporting accuracy, and as I did in the M1A accuracy video, I make sure I am firing more than 5 rounds before making any judgement calls. I'm also discussing more than one particular grouping. Not everyone does that. One thing's for sure, shooting 10 shots for accuracy is hard. A whole box of 20 is even harder!
@gasdorf they use a blowback system that is delayed by a pair of rollers that locks into the barrel trunion. They call it the roller-delayed blowback system, or roller locking system. The rollers delay the unlocking of the bolt until chamber pressures reach safe levels, and they also take out a good amount of the recoil. It's a really smooth shooting rifle, but the blowback system gets absolutely FILTHY. Reliability is maintained, it's just that the trunion gets dirty as hell.
Personally I'd rather have the 93, they're built like tanks! Also they AR is not that more modern, you're talking about designs that are actually contemporaries, Had the HK been developed as much as the AR the HK might be the "It" gun.
Oh and for the weight issue, think of all the useless shit that gets slung on ARs these days, now you're right up there with the HK weight if not heavier.
And one last point, min. service length for any HK is 25,000 rounds thats when things start to get replaced
@TescoVee The 93 is robust, no doubt about it, but at over 8lbs. for the basic rifle, it's just too heavy compared to other 5.56 rifles. As for "useless shit" on ARs, consider that the Military and almost all of the world's top instructors believe that a modern fighting rifle should have a red dot sight (speed), a sling (transport/carry) and a flashlight (target identification). I tend to agree with them. With all of those items, the AR15 still weighs in less than the basic HK93.
@boricuaDV Those are all useful, what I'm referring to is all the little things that add up quick, bi-pods, BAD levers, multiple back up red-dot sights(back up irons I'm ok with), lasers,(not designators)batteries for said lasers, red-dots etc. - I contend alot of it though maybe not useless; is not as useful as people are led to believe, and get hung up on all the rest of the gear you're carrying.
@TescoVee You're right, of course. There's a lot of garbage quality accessories and some folks feel the need to add it all. I think that is due to the AR15 mythology. Everyone seems to believe a box-stock AR15 can shoot 1MOA with 10-rounds of M193 or M855. They load up the rifle with a 3-9x hunting scope, triple railed picatinny risers for said scope, a Chinese flashlight/laser combo, a UTG rail, vertical grip and pod. When they realize their heavy AR isn't s sniper rifle, reality sets in.
@TescoVee Not contemporaries at all, really. HK's delayed blowback was designed around 1950 and the AR15 came some 13-14 years later. HK really just downsized it for the 5.56mm, just as boricuaDV says. All of the deisign principles are exactly the same, with the exception of the g3/91 having two pushpins for the buttstock.
@MrVideoh Actually the Polish arms industry came up roller delayed blow back, the 5.56 HK33/53/93 series was released in the 60's not around 1950, And I still contend had the HK been adopted and developed further it would have surpassed the AR/M16 but that didn't happen so it's all pretty academic I suppose.
No pun, but you cant use a HK charge handel. Bring your fingers in front of the charge handle against the metal, move your hand fast backwards. Charge handle will swing outwards, when fully back drop it = mutch faster than a AR charge handle. I have only experience with AG3 (= Norwegian G3), for best accuracy make sure the flash hider is tight, the bayonet fastening ring is tight and the back sight is tight, these things loosen regularly.
@faksen13 Having an MP5 and now the 93A3, I beg to differ ;-) The technique you mentioned works okay with the MP5 and also the Steyr AUG type charging handles, but with the folding lever handle and increased travel distance it is still much slower than an AR15. I'm not sure what you mean about the flash hider? On the 93, the flash hider uses a spring which engages splines on the barrel, which makes it secure and therefore very difficult to remove.
@boricuaDV Even if the flash hider has a spring witch bumps in splines one the barel it becomes loose in only a few hundred rounds. At least on a AG3 (G3) witch is in 7,62Nato, might not on a gun in 5.56nato.
@faksen13 You are correct that the method you mentioned would work, but on a well broken-in rifle. On an HK that is not worn-in, the charging handle can be very stiff and almost impossible to unlock by simply running your hand alongside the folding handle. This is because the folding action actually unlocks the bolt and requires a good amount of force to disengage the bolt and rollers from the recesses in the trunion. I'm guessing boricuaDV's rifle doesn't have many rounds through it!
@MrVideoh that's exactly it. Unfolding the handle on this gun requires a good bit of force in order to unlock the bolt. This is not a simple "swipe your hand" affair. Maybe that works on a broken-in rifle, or on a loosey-goosey clone rifle, but it simply does not get you anywhere on this specific rifle. The rifle is really clean and maybe has 400 rounds through it. Bolt, locking piece, and recoil spring are still very stiff after almost 30 years!
Why is the AR platform supreme, then, now, and forever? Because it is the most versatile, configurable weapon the world will ever know, and when HK builds them, A la-the 416 you can rest assure that the AR will never cease to hold a presence with some military, 100 years from now. The closest weapon is just coming over the horizon, the Beretta ARX160!
@altops In the case of the AR, I think it's really the combination of it being lightweight, adaptable, accurate, light recoiling, ergonomic, affordable and all around FAST that simply challenges any other weapon system to topple it. The SCAR-L was not deemed as having significant advantages to justify replacing the AR family, and I think any other weapons platform in 5.56mm will suffer the same fate. That is to say, the only way for us to get away from the AR is to switch calibers altogether!
@boricuaDV The AR platform is also available in any popular caliber as well so changing weapons systems is still not necessary. I even seen one in.50BMG..20 Tactical,5.45 x 39. .204 Ruger, 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, 458 Socom .308 sized lowers. 6.5 Creedmore, .243 etc. Beowulf (.50) .45 Bushmaster, +pistol rounds 9MM,.40, .45ACP, + custom one offs.
@altops Yep. I think Colt's approach of a 7.62x51 rifle with the ability to down-convert to 5.56 looks promising. It will be interesting to see how that one develops. FN is supposedly working on the same type of project, but they aren't saying anything at the moment.
@boricuaDV I have a political angst against Colt, I wouldn't trust their products ( still made on 60year old mill machines and suffered dead last at the last military rifle try-outs and still won Defense contract) nor do i condone their political kickback program to politicians). BCM/Voltor folks have impressed me the most with their quality and price.
@altops I have no experience with HK416, but Norwegian army have these rifles. As i understand there is some difference between HK416 and a milspec AR = parts is not interchangeable. Then some of the reasons to buy an AR rifle is gone. Or it might is a reason to buy a HK416, soldiers cant pimp their rifle. HK G36 was in the competition, but it failed the climbing test (but stock failed), raise rifle against the wall under a window, carry a rug-sack, step on the mag and climb in the window.
Well, what can I say........ It's German. =)
Deamonslayer3001 2 weeks ago
hey man what kind of watch is that?
N1ghts1te 1 month ago
@N1ghts1te LMAO! Hello fellow watch freak! That's an Invicta Reserve Capsule, black with black Mother of Pearl face (#6664). It's a big tank, and I've been working hard on bringing back the black watches into style!
boricuaDV 1 month ago
Nice review, But I give credit to HK for their 33 / 93 series as they debuted in the mid 60's, much earlier than other competing 5.56mm designs from Europe.
Austria, France & UK did not offer any 5.56mm rifles until the 70's & Belgium's CAL was a flop that sent FN back to the drawing board for a decade.
The HK33 snapped up a decent export market long before the arrival of the AUG, FAMAS & SA-80.
HK took the risk to develop a 5.56mm rifle when almost everyone else took a (wait-n-see) attitude.
newdefsys 1 month ago
AR15s are so bland and boring.
alexthebomb542 1 month ago
@alexthebomb542 Everyone has an AR15, so they don't usually get cool points on the range. Of course, out in the real world, I don't want to get shot while I'm fumbling with a mag release, charging handle, or selector lever. To do so would be simply unfashionable ;-)
boricuaDV 1 month ago
@alexthebomb542 While this is true, the HK33 has a paddle magazine release that makes mag changes easier. The civilian 93 had this feature removed for some reason. I have never found working the selector to be problematic either, and both of my 93s have the same lower as yours. Charging the gun though is undoubtedly more difficult that on an AR though.
alexthebomb542 1 month ago
@alexthebomb542 The paddle release does help, making mag changes more or less like changing mags on an AK, which is to say, a one-handed affair rather than two. This all comes back to the differences in thought for operating the gun; the HK mags are retained after a reload whereas the AR mags are typically a "drop and forget" single-use item.
boricuaDV 1 month ago
@boricuaDV Indeed. It would be nice if HK33/93 series magazines were as cheap as AR mags!
alexthebomb542 1 month ago
@alexthebomb542 You can customize an AR15 more than any other gun, if you want it pink or green etc, anything but boring. The accuracy of the HK93 is boring to me.
semiautoriflelover1 1 week ago
@semiautoriflelover1 Might I ask what bores you about the accuracy of the HK93? Reason I ask is that in my experience (see video: 20 round accuracy challenge-HK93A3), with the same ammo type (XM193) the stock 93 with a heavy trigger and iron sights shoots just as accurately as a 16" Barreled AR with a two-stage match trigger and magnified optics. Or maybe I misunderstood the point you are trying to make. From that perspective I would say the 93 is "boringly accurate." ;)
boricuaDV 1 week ago
dude really good video. awsome music thru the whole thing, great information, and that last statement was freakin amazing. lmfao ! ''if that makes any sense, and if it doesn't you probably wont understant AT ALL anywayz" BANG ON! that phrase could b applied to sssssoooooooooo many firearms topics when trying to educate others. i just subscribed.
boombap420 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
wow I didnt know that the hk cost that much for a rifle thats not made by its parent company anymore.
MrBill297 3 months ago
@MrBill297 Anything HK is usually on the higher end of the price scale and their roller-locked rifles are extremely popular and successful (they can be found all over the world). Furthermore, due to being banned from importation, plus the fact that they are no longer made, these rifles fetch a premium. On top of that, there were far fewer HK93s imported than HK91s. The end result is a rifle whose value hovers from $2,500 - $3,000.
boricuaDV 3 months ago
You need to share some target pictures. 5 moa is pretty iffy unless we are talking offhand.
WesMerc 4 months ago
@WesMerc Contrary to popular belief, Federal XM193 is not 1MOA ammo, in fact most 10 shot groups show it to be 3-4 MOA ammo at best - and that's when using magnified optics. From my own experience, 20 shots into 5 inches at 100 yards with iron sights is better than what a box-stock M4gery will do with irons.
boricuaDV 4 months ago 3
"The problem with 10-shot groups is that when you report them, everyone thinks you aren't shooting very well or that the ammunition is not good because the group sizes are so much larger than three- or five-shot groups. Also, when we're firing three- or five-shot groups with a flier, it is only natural to assume that it was caused by a flinch or "pulling" the shot. Therefore, since the flier was our own fault, the tendency is to eliminate it from any reporting of group size." -R. Jamison
MrVideoh 4 months ago
@MrVideoh Words of wisdom, for sure. A lot of folks leave out all the details when discussing honest to goodness accuracy. I try go out of my way to cover/discuss all the variables when reporting accuracy, and as I did in the M1A accuracy video, I make sure I am firing more than 5 rounds before making any judgement calls. I'm also discussing more than one particular grouping. Not everyone does that. One thing's for sure, shooting 10 shots for accuracy is hard. A whole box of 20 is even harder!
boricuaDV 4 months ago
Only 1 "Dislike" so far? Usually I'm good for at least two of you guys! You know who you are! ;-)
boricuaDV 4 months ago
There goes our two-for-sure! :-D
boricuaDV 4 months ago
@boricuaDV were is the gas port in the HK93A3 ? is it a DI gun?
gasdorf 4 months ago
@gasdorf they use a blowback system that is delayed by a pair of rollers that locks into the barrel trunion. They call it the roller-delayed blowback system, or roller locking system. The rollers delay the unlocking of the bolt until chamber pressures reach safe levels, and they also take out a good amount of the recoil. It's a really smooth shooting rifle, but the blowback system gets absolutely FILTHY. Reliability is maintained, it's just that the trunion gets dirty as hell.
boricuaDV 4 months ago
Personally I'd rather have the 93, they're built like tanks! Also they AR is not that more modern, you're talking about designs that are actually contemporaries, Had the HK been developed as much as the AR the HK might be the "It" gun.
Oh and for the weight issue, think of all the useless shit that gets slung on ARs these days, now you're right up there with the HK weight if not heavier.
And one last point, min. service length for any HK is 25,000 rounds thats when things start to get replaced
TescoVee 4 months ago
@TescoVee The 93 is robust, no doubt about it, but at over 8lbs. for the basic rifle, it's just too heavy compared to other 5.56 rifles. As for "useless shit" on ARs, consider that the Military and almost all of the world's top instructors believe that a modern fighting rifle should have a red dot sight (speed), a sling (transport/carry) and a flashlight (target identification). I tend to agree with them. With all of those items, the AR15 still weighs in less than the basic HK93.
boricuaDV 4 months ago
@boricuaDV Those are all useful, what I'm referring to is all the little things that add up quick, bi-pods, BAD levers, multiple back up red-dot sights(back up irons I'm ok with), lasers,(not designators)batteries for said lasers, red-dots etc. - I contend alot of it though maybe not useless; is not as useful as people are led to believe, and get hung up on all the rest of the gear you're carrying.
TescoVee 4 months ago
@TescoVee You're right, of course. There's a lot of garbage quality accessories and some folks feel the need to add it all. I think that is due to the AR15 mythology. Everyone seems to believe a box-stock AR15 can shoot 1MOA with 10-rounds of M193 or M855. They load up the rifle with a 3-9x hunting scope, triple railed picatinny risers for said scope, a Chinese flashlight/laser combo, a UTG rail, vertical grip and pod. When they realize their heavy AR isn't s sniper rifle, reality sets in.
boricuaDV 4 months ago
@TescoVee Not contemporaries at all, really. HK's delayed blowback was designed around 1950 and the AR15 came some 13-14 years later. HK really just downsized it for the 5.56mm, just as boricuaDV says. All of the deisign principles are exactly the same, with the exception of the g3/91 having two pushpins for the buttstock.
MrVideoh 4 months ago
@MrVideoh Actually the Polish arms industry came up roller delayed blow back, the 5.56 HK33/53/93 series was released in the 60's not around 1950, And I still contend had the HK been adopted and developed further it would have surpassed the AR/M16 but that didn't happen so it's all pretty academic I suppose.
TescoVee 4 months ago
5.56s and Jazz
XD
nagasako7 4 months ago
+ Subscribe. Holy shit, nice quality commentary.
Tankmaster46 4 months ago
No pun, but you cant use a HK charge handel. Bring your fingers in front of the charge handle against the metal, move your hand fast backwards. Charge handle will swing outwards, when fully back drop it = mutch faster than a AR charge handle. I have only experience with AG3 (= Norwegian G3), for best accuracy make sure the flash hider is tight, the bayonet fastening ring is tight and the back sight is tight, these things loosen regularly.
faksen13 4 months ago
@faksen13 Having an MP5 and now the 93A3, I beg to differ ;-) The technique you mentioned works okay with the MP5 and also the Steyr AUG type charging handles, but with the folding lever handle and increased travel distance it is still much slower than an AR15. I'm not sure what you mean about the flash hider? On the 93, the flash hider uses a spring which engages splines on the barrel, which makes it secure and therefore very difficult to remove.
boricuaDV 4 months ago
@boricuaDV Even if the flash hider has a spring witch bumps in splines one the barel it becomes loose in only a few hundred rounds. At least on a AG3 (G3) witch is in 7,62Nato, might not on a gun in 5.56nato.
faksen13 4 months ago
@faksen13 You are correct that the method you mentioned would work, but on a well broken-in rifle. On an HK that is not worn-in, the charging handle can be very stiff and almost impossible to unlock by simply running your hand alongside the folding handle. This is because the folding action actually unlocks the bolt and requires a good amount of force to disengage the bolt and rollers from the recesses in the trunion. I'm guessing boricuaDV's rifle doesn't have many rounds through it!
MrVideoh 4 months ago 8
@MrVideoh that's exactly it. Unfolding the handle on this gun requires a good bit of force in order to unlock the bolt. This is not a simple "swipe your hand" affair. Maybe that works on a broken-in rifle, or on a loosey-goosey clone rifle, but it simply does not get you anywhere on this specific rifle. The rifle is really clean and maybe has 400 rounds through it. Bolt, locking piece, and recoil spring are still very stiff after almost 30 years!
boricuaDV 4 months ago
Why is the AR platform supreme, then, now, and forever? Because it is the most versatile, configurable weapon the world will ever know, and when HK builds them, A la-the 416 you can rest assure that the AR will never cease to hold a presence with some military, 100 years from now. The closest weapon is just coming over the horizon, the Beretta ARX160!
altops 4 months ago
@altops In the case of the AR, I think it's really the combination of it being lightweight, adaptable, accurate, light recoiling, ergonomic, affordable and all around FAST that simply challenges any other weapon system to topple it. The SCAR-L was not deemed as having significant advantages to justify replacing the AR family, and I think any other weapons platform in 5.56mm will suffer the same fate. That is to say, the only way for us to get away from the AR is to switch calibers altogether!
boricuaDV 4 months ago
@boricuaDV The AR platform is also available in any popular caliber as well so changing weapons systems is still not necessary. I even seen one in.50BMG..20 Tactical,5.45 x 39. .204 Ruger, 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, 458 Socom .308 sized lowers. 6.5 Creedmore, .243 etc. Beowulf (.50) .45 Bushmaster, +pistol rounds 9MM,.40, .45ACP, + custom one offs.
altops 4 months ago
@altops Yep. I think Colt's approach of a 7.62x51 rifle with the ability to down-convert to 5.56 looks promising. It will be interesting to see how that one develops. FN is supposedly working on the same type of project, but they aren't saying anything at the moment.
boricuaDV 4 months ago
@boricuaDV I have a political angst against Colt, I wouldn't trust their products ( still made on 60year old mill machines and suffered dead last at the last military rifle try-outs and still won Defense contract) nor do i condone their political kickback program to politicians). BCM/Voltor folks have impressed me the most with their quality and price.
altops 4 months ago
Respond to this video... I'd like to see an AR set up made for the cheap and abundant 7.62X54R Russian round.
altops 4 months ago
@altops I have no experience with HK416, but Norwegian army have these rifles. As i understand there is some difference between HK416 and a milspec AR = parts is not interchangeable. Then some of the reasons to buy an AR rifle is gone. Or it might is a reason to buy a HK416, soldiers cant pimp their rifle. HK G36 was in the competition, but it failed the climbing test (but stock failed), raise rifle against the wall under a window, carry a rug-sack, step on the mag and climb in the window.
faksen13 4 months ago
@faksen13 i heard parts were interchangable, and ive seen an HK 416 upper go on a US made lower.
altops 4 months ago
@faksen13 - a 416 upper can go on a standard AR, M4 or M16 lower.
DragunBreath 4 months ago
Hey hello there thats a nice toy ahah:)
BuschTukkerMan 4 months ago