In America the powers of government are limited to the protection of individual rights. Health care doesn't qualify as an individual right because nobody has a duty to provide me with health care. The only way to establish universal health care is if the government enforceably obligates every citizen to pay for it. Such an act violates the Constitution of the United States and the right to be left alone.
@endauthority: Individual rights are valued if life is valued. To negate individual rights is the same as denying the individual's right to his own life. The opposite and more popular view is that the individual has a moral duty to sacrifice his life for the good of the group. Duty is a misnomer; a word rooted in mysticism. No legitimate authority exists that can impose moral duties. Morality derives from the freedom to choose. When rights are decided by popular vote then no one's life is safe.
@SCRYER1973 So then you admit the following(You also completely avoided the issue at hand, as well. However, I expected you would):
We do not have to provide a police force, or military force. We also do not have to recognize a government that enforces property rights, we as a society can simply choose to be communist.
Duty isnt rooted in mysticism and morality comes from LOGIC. Freedom its self comes from logic, its too bad people are illogical and think property rights = freedom
@endauthority "Freedom" in this country has become something of a misnomer. It describes the "freedom" to own a business or to have low taxes; health care, living conditions, marriage rights, etc. are all "unconstitutional."
@endauthority: It is in my own self-interest to contribute to the protection of individual rights.
Communism is sacrificing the individual to the group. Without private property man's means of survival is cut off. He is forced to sacrifice to the state for the good of the whole. He who preaches this doctrine wants to be the state.
Nobody has a duty to provide me with anything. I have a right to my life and the freedoms required to live it. Nobody has a right to take it from me.
@SCRYER1973 What part of a right to "LIFE, liberty, and happiness" don't you understand? People who can't pay for health care in this country DIE. Do you understand that? They DIE. Because they can't afford to live. And this doesn't seem messed up to you? That's like saying, "I shouldn't be forced to breathe oxygen. How dare the government build trees in my neighborhood? I shouldn't feel I have to share the air!"
If you want to bring health insurance costs down then remove the gov't safety net and force insurance companies to compete. Gov't interventions have made a monopoly out of the health insurance market.
Rights are not guarantees to a commodity. They are a guarantee that if you earn the commodity you will own it. If you cannot earn it you can only obtain it from someone else by his consent. You're not entitled to someone else's property.
@SCRYER1973 public healthcare works very well in countries like Sweden, in fact the Swedes have the best healthcare in the world. How does that follow your "government monopoly" argument?
@MrThahey: Essentially, government is a gun. Any government endeavor uses force as a means to achieve its ends. Tax rates in Sweden are commonly cited as among the highest in the world behind Hungary, France, Germany and Belgium. Payroll, corporate and individiual taxes are considerably higher there than in the U.S. It appears that Swedes only retain a portion of what they earn through their productivity. Do individuals in Sweden have the freedom to opt out of contributing to public healthworks?
@MrThahey: By "government monopoloy" I specifically mean the Federal McCarran-Ferguson Act. It prohibits interstate competition between health insurance companies. The cost of an out-of-state insurer to enter another state market is often high so individuals have little choice about what coverage they want. Since the insurance company is prohibited from interstate competition, legislators can force them to cover services that drive up premiums.
this lieing over the nhs gets me mad as well. its not a perfect system but then nothing is. i have had health problems all my life and have a whole team to look after me now. without them i simply would not be here. i know the meds i take and the care i get cost a lot of money. if i were in the US i would not be able to afford treatment and i would deteriorate to a point of not worth living. so i am great full to the nhs and its principle of free health care to those in need.
i live in america and a few weeks ago i had a kidney stone i went to the urgent care and they wouldnt do anything after i had waited over an hour in a waiting room with only a few people. i then had to go to the emergency room at the nearest hospital that my insurance covered, in a different town, there was only one doctor and four people, on a weekday at 11 AM i had to wait a while to get any sort of medical attention, then all they did was give me pain killers and a CT scan a few hours later.
"Some patients wait more a year for surgery", Since 1997 massive amounts of money were put into the NHS reducing waiting times to their lowest since its very creation.
I guess the NHS was always something I took for granted, it just seemed like such an obvious thing that as human beings the least we could do is give a little of our wages in order to help ensure the health and well being of ourselves and others. I don't care if they are black, white, rich, poor or Romulan, if I know them or if they are a complete stranger, if it's self-inflicted or purely accidental, if they are foreign or a citizen, we should care for each other. It's the right thing.
We're a bunch of lying scumbags. The only thing that amazes me more than our own hypocrisy, is the worlds failure at responding to this fact. (ourselves included!)
Anyhow, good vid. Although, NHS isn't actually free is it? You do pay for it in taxes if I'm not mistaken. In any case, what you folks have seems to be a million times better than what we have.
Before any Americans have a hissyfit, I'm not saying were all bad, but we certainly don't work well together. Comparatively speaking.
My buddy and his woman have a toddler. They're both 24, and he works in a steel yard. He doesn't have health insurance because in my state, companies under 12 employees don't have to offer it, yet it's a state mandate to have insurance, so he has to pay a annual penalty. They can't marry because he'd have to insure his entire family, which he can't afford. His fiancee and child are covered under the state, but not him. Although he has a high-risk job, if he's injured, he's fucked.
If my father ever lost his health insurance for any reason, my mother would be completely without help for her multitude of health problems. Her job refuses to allow her to work a full 40-hour week because they cannot afford to pay her benefits. That means her $3000 (at least) per month medicine bill would be completely on my parents' heads. I wish we had an NHS, so my mom wouldn't have to worry about losing insurance.
I had a heart problem a few months ago. I had to wait 3 days to get a Holter monitor. 3 days before they could monitor my heart to see what was wrong with me. It cost me $40 to rent, not free.
Canadian health care may be free, but you sometimes have to wait and sometimes have to pay.
The healthcare "debate" finally reveals to the world the poisonous heart of the American fucking Dream. Gun toting, town hall meeting attending "citizens" OPENLY calling for the murder of Barack Obama, and with the tacit blessing of Fox "News". You cannot win, the morlocks are in charge. And don't think the UK is any better. Watch as the Tories dismantle the NHS next year, and just in time for the Olympics which will finally showcase to the world how incompetent and totally shit WE are.
Yeah they are definitely lying. This kind of manipulation and propaganda pisses me off. We get some of this crap in Canada once in a while, American companies are constantly try to convince us that we would be so much better off with a for profit corporation running health care.
Anyone stupid enough to believe that should be examined by a mental heath professional!
Well like I said above, you're going to get horror stories in every system. No healthcare system is perfect. But saying that happens routinely is nothing less than a lie.
Thanks Jacob. And that goes for every other citizen of your country who speaks up about this. Nothing is making any of you give a shit but it's nice to see that you care about others having the same advantages as you.
Well you're going to get horror stories in every system. The NHS has them, and the American system has them, but that doesn't mean they're on equal footing.
American Insurance companies are shitting themselves. Their money is being threatened. Their friends at FoxNews etc are equally concerned. I'd like to invite the ACTRESS playing the "doctor" to the UK and give her a good kicking to within an inch of her life, then impress her with how quickly her sorry arse is brought back from near death.
I have to say, it depresses me to watch the debate here in the US. But, I realize that politicians are the same all over. They bank on the "fact" that the vast majority of people will not do their own fact checking. So, politicians and pundits and other sniveling little fuckers can say what ever they damn well please, cause most people just don't give two shits. They are sheep and eat this shit up.
The NHS is one of if not that best thing that government/labour have ever brought us in the UK, but it isn't free. We pay tax for it, tax I am happy to pay but all the same it is not free.
which isn't free. Try working for not much over min wage and then having £200 a month taken off you in tax. I am left wing and support the NHS but it is not free and to say it is is incorrect.
Dude, thats what everyone calls it. Getting help from the police is 'free'. Getting help from the fire service is 'free'. Even people that don't agree with it call it free healthcare. Its just terminology.
But if the gummyment takes over our health care it will march us off into FEMA death concentration camps where the Federal Reserve Board and their Lizardman/Ssaurian Demon Alien overlords give us the SWINE FLU DEATH AUTISM VACCINE to turn us all gay!
In America the powers of government are limited to the protection of individual rights. Health care doesn't qualify as an individual right because nobody has a duty to provide me with health care. The only way to establish universal health care is if the government enforceably obligates every citizen to pay for it. Such an act violates the Constitution of the United States and the right to be left alone.
SCRYER1973 1 year ago
@SCRYER1973 Good for america.
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay: Good by what standard?
SCRYER1973 1 year ago
@SCRYER1973 I was being sarcastic.
LatumWay 1 year ago
@SCRYER1973 so people have a duty to provide you with police service, you know to protect your individual rights?
Why should I care about YOUR individual rights?
endauthority 1 year ago
@endauthority: Individual rights are valued if life is valued. To negate individual rights is the same as denying the individual's right to his own life. The opposite and more popular view is that the individual has a moral duty to sacrifice his life for the good of the group. Duty is a misnomer; a word rooted in mysticism. No legitimate authority exists that can impose moral duties. Morality derives from the freedom to choose. When rights are decided by popular vote then no one's life is safe.
SCRYER1973 1 year ago
@SCRYER1973 So then you admit the following(You also completely avoided the issue at hand, as well. However, I expected you would):
We do not have to provide a police force, or military force. We also do not have to recognize a government that enforces property rights, we as a society can simply choose to be communist.
Duty isnt rooted in mysticism and morality comes from LOGIC. Freedom its self comes from logic, its too bad people are illogical and think property rights = freedom
endauthority 1 year ago
@endauthority "Freedom" in this country has become something of a misnomer. It describes the "freedom" to own a business or to have low taxes; health care, living conditions, marriage rights, etc. are all "unconstitutional."
Tammylita 1 year ago
@endauthority: It is in my own self-interest to contribute to the protection of individual rights.
Communism is sacrificing the individual to the group. Without private property man's means of survival is cut off. He is forced to sacrifice to the state for the good of the whole. He who preaches this doctrine wants to be the state.
Nobody has a duty to provide me with anything. I have a right to my life and the freedoms required to live it. Nobody has a right to take it from me.
SCRYER1973 1 year ago
@SCRYER1973 What part of a right to "LIFE, liberty, and happiness" don't you understand? People who can't pay for health care in this country DIE. Do you understand that? They DIE. Because they can't afford to live. And this doesn't seem messed up to you? That's like saying, "I shouldn't be forced to breathe oxygen. How dare the government build trees in my neighborhood? I shouldn't feel I have to share the air!"
Tammylita 1 year ago
@Tammylita: Oxygen isn't a scarce resource.
If you want to bring health insurance costs down then remove the gov't safety net and force insurance companies to compete. Gov't interventions have made a monopoly out of the health insurance market.
Rights are not guarantees to a commodity. They are a guarantee that if you earn the commodity you will own it. If you cannot earn it you can only obtain it from someone else by his consent. You're not entitled to someone else's property.
SCRYER1973 1 year ago
@SCRYER1973 public healthcare works very well in countries like Sweden, in fact the Swedes have the best healthcare in the world. How does that follow your "government monopoly" argument?
MrThahey 10 months ago
@MrThahey: Essentially, government is a gun. Any government endeavor uses force as a means to achieve its ends. Tax rates in Sweden are commonly cited as among the highest in the world behind Hungary, France, Germany and Belgium. Payroll, corporate and individiual taxes are considerably higher there than in the U.S. It appears that Swedes only retain a portion of what they earn through their productivity. Do individuals in Sweden have the freedom to opt out of contributing to public healthworks?
SCRYER1973 10 months ago
@MrThahey: By "government monopoloy" I specifically mean the Federal McCarran-Ferguson Act. It prohibits interstate competition between health insurance companies. The cost of an out-of-state insurer to enter another state market is often high so individuals have little choice about what coverage they want. Since the insurance company is prohibited from interstate competition, legislators can force them to cover services that drive up premiums.
SCRYER1973 10 months ago
@Tammylita I second that.
insidexistance 5 months ago
Comment removed
SCRYER1973 1 year ago
Comment removed
SCRYER1973 1 year ago
this lieing over the nhs gets me mad as well. its not a perfect system but then nothing is. i have had health problems all my life and have a whole team to look after me now. without them i simply would not be here. i know the meds i take and the care i get cost a lot of money. if i were in the US i would not be able to afford treatment and i would deteriorate to a point of not worth living. so i am great full to the nhs and its principle of free health care to those in need.
moggyEm 1 year ago
i live in america and a few weeks ago i had a kidney stone i went to the urgent care and they wouldnt do anything after i had waited over an hour in a waiting room with only a few people. i then had to go to the emergency room at the nearest hospital that my insurance covered, in a different town, there was only one doctor and four people, on a weekday at 11 AM i had to wait a while to get any sort of medical attention, then all they did was give me pain killers and a CT scan a few hours later.
TheEnviroFriend 1 year ago
"Some patients wait more a year for surgery", Since 1997 massive amounts of money were put into the NHS reducing waiting times to their lowest since its very creation.
kayman92 1 year ago
I thought medicare was government run heath care insurance?
*rhetorical question alert*
stargateproductions 2 years ago
Loved the buzzer on this. It turned an already good idea for a video into sheer brilliance. Favourited and posted to facebook.
Unwyred 2 years ago
I guess the NHS was always something I took for granted, it just seemed like such an obvious thing that as human beings the least we could do is give a little of our wages in order to help ensure the health and well being of ourselves and others. I don't care if they are black, white, rich, poor or Romulan, if I know them or if they are a complete stranger, if it's self-inflicted or purely accidental, if they are foreign or a citizen, we should care for each other. It's the right thing.
EuroMIX2 2 years ago
Calm down, man.
We geddit. No one is out to hurt you or your little country...
Feeling any better now? :) Maybe you should go to the NHS right now... I think you might be slightly unstable.
Turelx 2 years ago
Sorry, but its pisses me off when people lie like that.
LatumWay 2 years ago 2
@LatumWay It pisses me off when people lie like that AND when people believe the lies.
Great Video!
ICharmaine 2 years ago
We're a bunch of lying scumbags. The only thing that amazes me more than our own hypocrisy, is the worlds failure at responding to this fact. (ourselves included!)
Anyhow, good vid. Although, NHS isn't actually free is it? You do pay for it in taxes if I'm not mistaken. In any case, what you folks have seems to be a million times better than what we have.
Before any Americans have a hissyfit, I'm not saying were all bad, but we certainly don't work well together. Comparatively speaking.
SocialAnarchism 2 years ago
Well yeah its not free. But 'paid by taxes' was implied I think.
And yeah, I'm honestly not one for directionless, unjustified anti-americanism (I hate it), but I really do think we have you guys beat on this one.
LatumWay 2 years ago
Indeed. I, on the other hand, am for anti-americanism as you know. I'm just not one for patriotism or nationalism in any regard.
SocialAnarchism 2 years ago
Me neither. In fact, I made a whole video on that subject a while back. Its about Pledges of Alligances.
LatumWay 2 years ago
@LatumWay I use the term 'Free at the point of use' (prescription charges excepted). Which means you never have to worry about the cost.
AllRightRotten 1 year ago
Good video.
My buddy and his woman have a toddler. They're both 24, and he works in a steel yard. He doesn't have health insurance because in my state, companies under 12 employees don't have to offer it, yet it's a state mandate to have insurance, so he has to pay a annual penalty. They can't marry because he'd have to insure his entire family, which he can't afford. His fiancee and child are covered under the state, but not him. Although he has a high-risk job, if he's injured, he's fucked.
slapshotoi 2 years ago
That really is fucked up.
LatumWay 2 years ago
I'm having kidney problems. I should move there. By the time health care is reformed in the U.S. I'll be dead (hopefully not).
hoodmilk 2 years ago
That sucks.
LatumWay 2 years ago
THANK YOU
PandyFackleresque 2 years ago
YOU'RE WELCOME
LatumWay 2 years ago
If my father ever lost his health insurance for any reason, my mother would be completely without help for her multitude of health problems. Her job refuses to allow her to work a full 40-hour week because they cannot afford to pay her benefits. That means her $3000 (at least) per month medicine bill would be completely on my parents' heads. I wish we had an NHS, so my mom wouldn't have to worry about losing insurance.
abbynormal0ne 2 years ago
I had a heart problem a few months ago. I had to wait 3 days to get a Holter monitor. 3 days before they could monitor my heart to see what was wrong with me. It cost me $40 to rent, not free.
Canadian health care may be free, but you sometimes have to wait and sometimes have to pay.
baeritukaez 2 years ago
The healthcare "debate" finally reveals to the world the poisonous heart of the American fucking Dream. Gun toting, town hall meeting attending "citizens" OPENLY calling for the murder of Barack Obama, and with the tacit blessing of Fox "News". You cannot win, the morlocks are in charge. And don't think the UK is any better. Watch as the Tories dismantle the NHS next year, and just in time for the Olympics which will finally showcase to the world how incompetent and totally shit WE are.
BuddahUK 2 years ago
Yeah they are definitely lying. This kind of manipulation and propaganda pisses me off. We get some of this crap in Canada once in a while, American companies are constantly try to convince us that we would be so much better off with a for profit corporation running health care.
Anyone stupid enough to believe that should be examined by a mental heath professional!
CanadienAtheist 2 years ago
For free :D
PandyFackleresque 2 years ago
Asthma is so fucking annoying.
InsomniacMouse 2 years ago
One of your best! You are at your best when you are dealing with bigger issues and not giving us details of your daily life.
michalchik 2 years ago
your right its pure bullshit
ndoki9 2 years ago
The NHS rules!! :D Of course it is not totally "free", it's paid by taxes and stuff but it is money well spent :3
Twime777 2 years ago
i always wondered if the line "issue" was bullshit or not.
ps. that's a really awesome buzzer.
pps. i love the way british ppl say "schedule"... is that creepy? lol
funsizedchoco 2 years ago
Well like I said above, you're going to get horror stories in every system. No healthcare system is perfect. But saying that happens routinely is nothing less than a lie.
LatumWay 2 years ago
Apart from all the vague threats about possible loss of quality and choices, this is the craziest part:
"Bureaucrats should never be able to deny or delay the care that doctors provide."
... because the insurance companies aren't even the least bit bureaucratic, right?
negrosaurus 2 years ago 5
Nor do they ever deny coverage
prodigyat9 2 years ago 3
Thanks Jacob. And that goes for every other citizen of your country who speaks up about this. Nothing is making any of you give a shit but it's nice to see that you care about others having the same advantages as you.
dannypantsgm 2 years ago 3
Well if I'm honest, there was a point at which I thought, 'Fuck it. If they don't want healthcare, they won't get any."
But when I found out the sheer extent of the lies, it became apparent that people weren't getting both sides of the story.
So I made a video about it. Thats how I roll, bitch.
LatumWay 2 years ago
Well you're going to get horror stories in every system. The NHS has them, and the American system has them, but that doesn't mean they're on equal footing.
LatumWay 2 years ago
Great video and long live the Universial health care! Down with the lyrers at incureance companies and Fucks News..
All love from me Jasmine
Eopyk 2 years ago
Nice. I've been sending around the dprjones video on the NHS. I'll send this too.
AncientAtheist 2 years ago
American Insurance companies are shitting themselves. Their money is being threatened. Their friends at FoxNews etc are equally concerned. I'd like to invite the ACTRESS playing the "doctor" to the UK and give her a good kicking to within an inch of her life, then impress her with how quickly her sorry arse is brought back from near death.
BuddahUK 2 years ago
Shes actually not an actress, I checked. But shes probably getting paid a shitload of money.
LatumWay 2 years ago
... or she's just a fucking, air-headed, right-wing bitch...
DaftDoggyDog 2 years ago 3
There may be one or two right-wingers out there who might support heath care reform . . Might . .
stargateproductions 2 years ago
I have to say, it depresses me to watch the debate here in the US. But, I realize that politicians are the same all over. They bank on the "fact" that the vast majority of people will not do their own fact checking. So, politicians and pundits and other sniveling little fuckers can say what ever they damn well please, cause most people just don't give two shits. They are sheep and eat this shit up.
tattooskin72 2 years ago
LOL, kevin, you summed it up pretty fucking well :)
tattooskin72 2 years ago
Thank you.
ZoolanderDZ 2 years ago
I'm not best buds with the NHS for obvious reasons, but it beats the hell out of doing it the American way.
mytrucolours91 2 years ago
The NHS is one of if not that best thing that government/labour have ever brought us in the UK, but it isn't free. We pay tax for it, tax I am happy to pay but all the same it is not free.
dresteban 2 years ago
Well thats what I meant by 'free'.
LatumWay 2 years ago
which isn't free. Try working for not much over min wage and then having £200 a month taken off you in tax. I am left wing and support the NHS but it is not free and to say it is is incorrect.
dresteban 2 years ago
Dude, thats what everyone calls it. Getting help from the police is 'free'. Getting help from the fire service is 'free'. Even people that don't agree with it call it free healthcare. Its just terminology.
LatumWay 2 years ago
I think he meant that it's free upfront when you go and get treatment but he implied that you have to pay for it through taxes.
stargateproductions 2 years ago
Removing the exempt to the anti trust laws that health insurrance ahs would be a step to woohoo free market and comeptetion on prices.
Those insurrance companies work together in cartels. A thing that is illegal in Denmark and I bet in UK too.
Vogter2100 2 years ago 2
Hi! My name is Doctor Lying Sack of Shit and the insurance companies who control all my income told me that I think single payer health care is bad.
prodigyat9 2 years ago 7
If my doctor was a dumb as this POS I would get a new doctor.
prodigyat9 2 years ago
Ah, fuck, I could have shoved those in there to make that so much better! Damn it!
Rithrandil 2 years ago
I wanted to go counter protest but I really was concerned about getting jumped.
Rithrandil 2 years ago
But if the gummyment takes over our health care it will march us off into FEMA death concentration camps where the Federal Reserve Board and their Lizardman/Ssaurian Demon Alien overlords give us the SWINE FLU DEATH AUTISM VACCINE to turn us all gay!
Rithrandil 2 years ago
hmm, I think that covered it.
prodigyat9 2 years ago
i wonder if she's an actual DR, and if not, can we get her arrested for filming this?
QCreyton 2 years ago 3