@hobeeorchid ... Yeah... with all the queens’ rifles. England, admit it, you are germanic and predisposed genetically to be mass murderers!! History convicts you stupid !! Ahahahahhaah...
thanks for your words iam spanish many people frenchs and spanish fought and died with honour in trafalgar(spain) ...RESPECT for uk/fr/sp some times enemies some times friends ... uk finally won, my country have many problems but have a great History too and many battles wonded ...greetings from madrid all my respect to uk ... ( sorry my english )
Nelson was crap. Already In the battle of tenerife in 1797 the spanish wounded him so badly he lost one arm and then went on to loose the battle. Later he was shot dead by the french and spanish navy before he could even draw his gun in trafalgar. So much glory for so little.
at Wyllydejerez how could u say that cause 1. we beat u at tenerife 2. we beat you here. 3. we destroyed 130 of your galleons with 70 pelicans without without losing a single one
4. We beat u in the southern wars
5 . in over a quarter of you battles you needed to team up with a stronger country
6. British most of the time don't have luck it is SKILLAGE
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I admire Nelson as a captain but you are forgetting many things, Spain (my country) has never hiden its hitory, but the english have relied too many times on lies and trickery. look for example at the Battle of Cartagena de Indias your queen forbid the mention of it only now the people can find out, just like the many other battles the engish only became great sailors in my opinion during and after Nelson, you cannot consider a galleon a war vessel when it was just a merchant carriying guns
We have never hidden our history either, we are also very aware of our defeats, but tell me what country emphasise on their defeats? It's not good for the people and serves no morale purpose, and i speak of every nation's history in this.
overall the british won most battles and won the war the spainsh won few battles that made little impact that could change the war and lost the war, trafgar was the most importantr battle in that day , thats why its celebrated , im really proud , even tho we was out numbered we won , the spainsh wouldnt dare take on the british , they neeeded help from other nations and failed. to gibe u some inidea of power the ships used in tralgar was called ships of the line
y que era un pesimo, El propio Napoleon sabia que no se le podia dar esa responsabilidad a este tio... no ganaba nada, y en batalla era lo peor de lo peor... asi que los ingleses lo tuvieron bastante facil para destruir nuestras flotas, ya que el Villeneuve este, se encargo de "ponerselos a huevo"
firstly the british had far moer cmbat experince , they could fire 3 broad sides ever 90 sec to the spainsh and frendch 2,
the spainsh shi[s was on a poor state ,even some soilders were commanidng the guns some never even fired a gun, the french also had few experince men , the british were far beter trained in a good postion. Also we had nelson that won major victorys before , also , the french and spainsh lack communcation betweene each other
I think that Englishmen had many luck, his victory in Trafalgar was thanks to Villeneuve for me, the truth hero for Englishmen... before, Englishmen knew only defeat... Cartagena de Indias, Tenerife...and many more...
I don´t understand why englishmen only speaking of his victories... and they don´t remember our beatings ? why will be it?... fuckers liars... you sorry me but it isn´t fair... if our fleets hadn´t found with the storm... how would be the world today...?
El fairman este es tonto, lo que pasa que pa una batalla que nos ganan, pues no veas como se ponen, lo que no saben que ganaron gracias al Villeneuve el frances que se encargo de dirigir las tropas francesas y españolas...
the fact is the spainsh never beat the british at major battles like trflaagr was that could chnage the course of the war , sure the briitsh had few enagments with the spainsh and we lost only some i might add but it failed to make an impact like this battle was ,the spanish fleet was destpyed for years after this , and please dont make out it was just villenuueve that made it a failed victory there was seveeral factors why the spainsh frecnh lost
not to mention as well the order of battle was to form up in a line , the spainsh and french made a mess of thier line , ships was suppose to be in anothe postion , all that i just said gave the british the advantage , even tho the french and spainsh had 37 ships v 27 ships largest battle for centures =o british ships losts 21 french spainsh ships lost 22 ships , thats why it was such a big victory
your on drugs the English had been hammerimg you since Drakes days single handed in a ship of 100ft he overpowered the best of Spains fleet over and over again and don't blame Villeneuve for Trafalgar blame the Spaniards that ran away back to Cadiz when the fighting started you really need to check your history
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You had a lot of luck...
Nelson was injured in Tenerife, because it´s impossible for him capture Tenerife!! the spaniards cured British injured troops!!
You need say the real history, for example....
ummm Cartagena de Indias... this history was hided for Brits because 3000 spaniards defeated 25000 british!!! 6 spanish ships vs 84 ships(i don´t know exactly) ... Brits only knew defeat... and Nelson was forgiven for spaniards in Tenerife..great error!!
The spanish told drake that he could enter the harbour in bahamas to restock then the fleet opend fire on him and his three trading ships! The sapniards then captured the british sailors and hung them on the beach by their arms until bloo burst from their fingers! Thats documented fact by a 15 year old sailor who survived with drake! No surprise Drake had a lifelong hatred of the spanish!
Spanish Empire was better than The Britains??? Really?? Maybe you should ask the south americans about that! All the countries under Britain prospered! All the spanish colonies did was wipe out the indigenous population and steal their wealth.
@fenthedog And let us not forget how the Spanish whiped out hundreds of tribes and nations throughout the caribbean and south america before the British even showed up!
oh did the indigenous prosper in the british colonies? you mean the aborigines, the africans, the indians, bangladesh, pakistan, and first nations? I think you mean the british colonials got fat and wealthy in their colonies at the expense of the natives, leaving too few of the indigenous to make a difference in the new world, australia and africa. In india they did the same, oppressing the population who were too many to kill off. If india prospered it was of their own doing.
Not all British colonials got rich and fat off the land, many struggled got ill and died, others came home. But the British Empire provided a lot of work for these nations, the ports, railways, bridges, roads and much more, which meant work for the local people of the nation, which meant regular money and food that they didnt have so well before.
It wasnt perfect, but the British Empires treatment of people and country's as a whole was better than other empires.
@fenthedog Just the opposite...the british ended up committing genocide...that is why their colonies remain whiteys...the Spaniards where more benevolent. Remember, germanic people are predisposed genetically to be mass murderers...oh yeah... and Spain was defeated by weather, not by the islanders...and the few islanders remained ended up sailing away as anglican chickens and england ended up capitulating!! Ahahahahahah!!! So in the end Spain won!!! Llorón.
@hlbpr Allow me to take a machette to your intelectual thicket. This comment makes about as much sense as saying Spain won the last world war! Its obvious you need to attend school a bit more and pay a bit more attention when your there.
@Wyllydejerez Fuck off was it!! The British empire was the largest empire known to man.FACT. You had in your empire what we didnt want, and when we did want it we took it from you. History was hidden from the Brits was it?? Your on drugs!
@Saxonsoldiers lool???? the Spanish Empire the first global empire... We had in our empire what you didn´t want????? LOOOL and Tenerife (Strategic Point) and Cartagena de Indias=??? we had in our power all what you wanted but you only got Gibraltar... for you, i don´t want it...
A thing is what you didn´t want and another one what you couldn´t take!!..
If Villeneuve had been a good commander or we had arrived to your island... the world would be another thing...
@Wyllydejerez :Our Lord Nelson is known the world over for his victories.Yes you may have had one or two victories but we won the war remember.We utterly destroyed spain twice! and France numerous times.You really have a tainted one sided veiw (as in your own version lol) of a history, that, im sorry to say, spain never had! You lost,get over it!
@Saxonsoldiers Our own version?? at least we don´t hide or change the history like you...
Your single great victory was Gibraltar´s war, and as you won everybody knows this battle but your historians never told battles where Spain won... like Cartagena de Indias where 3000 spaniards won 25000 englishmen... this history was hided...
España ha vencido a Inglaterra en numerosas ocasiones lo que pasa es que el cine de Hollywood solamente ha reflejado sus glorias a diferencia de nuestros cineastas acomplejados que como buenos titiriteros solamente se dedican a hacer peliculas de la guerra civil en las que los republicanos son muy buenos y los franquistas muy malos. Así les va la taquilla que solo pueden vivir de subvenciones.
Que España ha vencido a Gran Bretaña en numerosas ocasiones no te lo crees ni tú. Los franquistas eran sencillamente golpistas y Franco y sus secuaces unos asesinos.
Desde luego el que no se lo cree eres tú,pero tres cojones importa ya.Con ese "nick", no se puede esperar nada de un perro anglófilo "juanitojamondeyork".
Yo no necesito insultar, acertada o no tengo mi propia opinión y la argumento. Y sí, soy anglofilo, afrancesado, republicano y lo que me de la gana ¿y qué?
The reason British school children learn about Trafalgar and the Armada are because they averted invasion of England. Just as we learn about the Romans, the Vikings, the Normans and the Nazis. All invasion attempts at our cuntry. Why would British kids learn about Cartegena? Do you realise how many naval battles Britain has fought over the centuries?
At the end of the day it was a small Island that ended up ruling 1/4 of the world with complete mastery of the seas for the next 100 yrs. That is fact.
After Trafalger Britain built a Navy that was twice the size of the next two powerful nations combined. That is fact too.
Or...why overlook the decissive contribution of bernardo de galvez to the independence of the u.s. (battle of pensacola, reconquest of florida)? another example. As i said,...we are taught n spain that trafalgar was a terrible defeat. Now,...you do your bit and teach ur kids that their country has been nailed on some occasions,...a few of them at the hands of spain. Otherwise, I'll keep on thinking that it is a pinewood studios' scripter the guy who writes ur history books.
Every country suffers defeats, but Trafalgar was more significant than the defets you've mentioned. And also we dont learn much about the battle of Qubirion bay 1759, Cape St vincent 1797 camperdown 1798 were The french, spanish and dutch fleets were defeted by the british I culd give a list of such Victories that we dont learn about. In contrast we learn a huge amount about our worst defeat, Battle of Hastings 1066 its about selcting the significant points in History.
In Spain, we study Trafalgar as a crushing defeat, we do not polish it up. What really annoys me is the fact that english defeats at the hands of the spaniards are always overlooked, ignored, hidden or regarded as "inconclusive" by the English people/media. The defeat of Vernon's fleet in 1741 was a crushing defeat as well, do not polish it and take it where we take trafalgar (in the chin). Have a good day.
ps: i live in england and really like this country and its people.
That is true to a degree but Trafalgar was hugly more significant thats why it recives the attention it does it was the most decisive naval battle ever fought, 10 frech and Spanish were killed to evry brit and it take away the invasion threst to britan and ensure our dominance at sea for over ahundread years. So its not suprising it gets looked at the way it does.
absolutely. So,...why do not study the battle of cartagena de indias / war of jenkins' ear as a decissive confrontation where england, after defeat, acknowledged that they could not destroy / capture the south american spanish empire,...just harass the convoys to the mainland? (another one,...seems like you captured every single galleon,...but apparently you only succeeded on a few occasions). That was decisive as well.
Yes I agree with you that is desicive. But my point was out of all the decicive naval battles fought, it is a fact that Trafalgar, was the most desicive.Britan was the most dominant naval power which was insured by Trafalgar, and insured our freedom as well. It had a much greater impact on the world than action in the south altantic. It is studied so much because there is a lot to learn from success on that scale. But your right you learn from defeat aswell n it shouldent be overlooked.
Your history eliminates your failures. In the schools you don´t study Cartagena de Indias 13 March 1741, for example. But you study Trafalgar, Spanish Armada...
And you study that your best seamen were seamen, but really, your best seamen were pirates.
Pirates who made our country richer at Spain's expense though. How is that any different, morally speaking, to the conquistadors making Spain richer at the native American's expense? And we don't "polish up" our history, we learn about the Charge of the Light brigade and Dunkirk alongside things like Trafalgar or Waterloo. There's really not much war stuff taught at all in schools here these days, inspite of the ammount of it we've indulged in.
Winston Churchill(although many have echoed that sentiment), and nothing's polished up about him. He's widely respected, but also acknowleged as a drinker, adulterer and a bad peacetime politician. So evidently he didn't actually get to write it. AND as I stated before history is taught without bias here, but they only teach so much military history. Might wanna take that point back to the drawing board perhaps?
I simply do not believe you teach your kids history without a bias, military or not. Example: Who invented the first printing machine?...Steve Guttenberg (a swiss), well,...apparently not for the english, at least the ones I've known.
I have to confess I've never discussed printing, or really learned about it at any length. But that said, I was actually under the impression it was a German chap named Johann Gutenberg.
Even today trafalger is acknowledged throughout the world as one of the greatest and celebrated naval victorys in history. Because of the royal navy, major sea conflicts after trafalger all over the world ceased for many years. Respect for the royal navy.
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My respects from Spain: but Spain beat England inn more battles than viceversa. You just forget the ones you lost (only took Jamaica from us)
SEE: BLAS DE LEZO, BATTLE OF CARTAGENA IN 1741
TRAFALGAR WAS LOST DUE TO FRENCH INCOMPETENCE. NOT A SPANISH BATTLE: IT EAS NAPOLEON´S WAR (SPANISH PEOPLE REBELLED AGAINST HIM 3 YEARS AFTER TRAFALGAR)
Not in the nile they werent, nor at the most famous and important TRAFALGAR. The Royal navy were the most disciplined and strongest navy in the world, and we won the most decisive battles at sea.
It was both. The first part, was a naval battle, with british advantage (enormous superiority) but with a lot of casualties (cannon balls aren't disease yet). Then British occupied several fortress around Cartagena (San Luis, La Popa...) with more casualties. And because the bad planification and organization, a lot of british casualties were because disease. It's curious that always you have been defeated "it's because disease. whtever...I always laugh with vernon's medal of "victory" hahahaha
Trafalgar wasn't lost by French incompetence, it was won by the British crews being plain better than either of the two navys. As for the defeats inflicted on eachother, Spain has held it's own, but Britain did as much to free Spain from Napoleon as the partisans, while Spain's army's were so useless that they refused to deliver the supplies promised to us and even ran from their own musket volleys noise at the battle of Talavera.
Fortunately you've no need to educate me as I've A) been to school before and B) seen that video before, but you should look at things more objectively and take them less personally. Blas se Lezo wasn't at Trafalgar, though I've no doubt his presence would have been felt, and the state of Spain's military decades later was certainly not his fault.
1)Spanish EMpire begins in 1282 when the Crown of Aragón defeats the NOrmans in Sicily. as you know the Normans were victors over Anglo-Saxons. It was quite old in 1805, exhausted from 1100 years of constant warfare, specially with muslims (something Britain never did).
2)At Trafalgar, Villeneuve was in charge. SPanish marines were sick with the yellow fever.
I think you'll find England participated in the crusades, but either way I don't see why our not having killed muslims for no other reason than to appease a bloodthirsty Pope would've be a bad thing? I will check out that Robert Southey book though, new perspectives are always intresting.
Instead of reading your feel good chauvinistic "history", take a look at Robert Southey´s The Peninsular War: porBrit, but not a joke like 90% of British official History.
And the naval spanish generals like Churruca, was the best. Spanish were defeated in Trafalgar, because of the bad combat of the french general Villeneuve (the worse naval general in all history).
i love NAPOLEON
MrPRATAPKHANNA 1 year ago
Does anyone commenting here have a mental age over 7 years?
milkminotaur 1 year ago
@hobeeorchid ... Yeah... with all the queens’ rifles. England, admit it, you are germanic and predisposed genetically to be mass murderers!! History convicts you stupid !! Ahahahahhaah...
hlbpr 1 year ago
France always wanted to invade England, but we forced them back every time! The only time they didn't want to invade was during WW2 XD
TheSoulVids 1 year ago 14
thanks for your words iam spanish many people frenchs and spanish fought and died with honour in trafalgar(spain) ...RESPECT for uk/fr/sp some times enemies some times friends ... uk finally won, my country have many problems but have a great History too and many battles wonded ...greetings from madrid all my respect to uk ... ( sorry my english )
CapitanFiro 1 year ago 5
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Nelson was crap. Already In the battle of tenerife in 1797 the spanish wounded him so badly he lost one arm and then went on to loose the battle. Later he was shot dead by the french and spanish navy before he could even draw his gun in trafalgar. So much glory for so little.
jumabo08 2 years ago
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Spain is the best country in the world =D
and if you don´t think so give me a reason
Javvixuela69 2 years ago
So despite all the arguments below we can conclude that the Royal Navy has prehaps the finest history in the world and is still very powerful today
fireflyman 2 years ago 10
at Wyllydejerez how could u say that cause 1. we beat u at tenerife 2. we beat you here. 3. we destroyed 130 of your galleons with 70 pelicans without without losing a single one
4. We beat u in the southern wars
5 . in over a quarter of you battles you needed to team up with a stronger country
6. British most of the time don't have luck it is SKILLAGE
ISUB2COOLPEOPLE 2 years ago 5
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I admire Nelson as a captain but you are forgetting many things, Spain (my country) has never hiden its hitory, but the english have relied too many times on lies and trickery. look for example at the Battle of Cartagena de Indias your queen forbid the mention of it only now the people can find out, just like the many other battles the engish only became great sailors in my opinion during and after Nelson, you cannot consider a galleon a war vessel when it was just a merchant carriying guns
pmunsa91 2 years ago
@pmunsa91
We have never hidden our history either, we are also very aware of our defeats, but tell me what country emphasise on their defeats? It's not good for the people and serves no morale purpose, and i speak of every nation's history in this.
Woodlander65 1 year ago 2
Nelson kicks ass!
Say "Adieu" to your fleet, Napo!
Thorus1984 2 years ago 5
spainsh 44 ships of the line
france 47 ships of the line
russia 14 of the line
usa 4 ships of of the line
britiian 118 ships of the line
u see just teh ships of the lines britian is more powerfull.
even the total fleets britian operated 900 ships no other nation operated more than 250. thats why britian was the largest till mid ww2 .
battle of trlagar really damaged spain, for years, even now , spain is navy is very small compared to the british verysmall
fairman3456 2 years ago 6
overall the british won most battles and won the war the spainsh won few battles that made little impact that could change the war and lost the war, trafgar was the most importantr battle in that day , thats why its celebrated , im really proud , even tho we was out numbered we won , the spainsh wouldnt dare take on the british , they neeeded help from other nations and failed. to gibe u some inidea of power the ships used in tralgar was called ships of the line
fairman3456 2 years ago 5
y que era un pesimo, El propio Napoleon sabia que no se le podia dar esa responsabilidad a este tio... no ganaba nada, y en batalla era lo peor de lo peor... asi que los ingleses lo tuvieron bastante facil para destruir nuestras flotas, ya que el Villeneuve este, se encargo de "ponerselos a huevo"
Wyllydejerez 2 years ago 2
firstly the british had far moer cmbat experince , they could fire 3 broad sides ever 90 sec to the spainsh and frendch 2,
the spainsh shi[s was on a poor state ,even some soilders were commanidng the guns some never even fired a gun, the french also had few experince men , the british were far beter trained in a good postion. Also we had nelson that won major victorys before , also , the french and spainsh lack communcation betweene each other
fairman3456 2 years ago 3
I think that Englishmen had many luck, his victory in Trafalgar was thanks to Villeneuve for me, the truth hero for Englishmen... before, Englishmen knew only defeat... Cartagena de Indias, Tenerife...and many more...
I don´t understand why englishmen only speaking of his victories... and they don´t remember our beatings ? why will be it?... fuckers liars... you sorry me but it isn´t fair... if our fleets hadn´t found with the storm... how would be the world today...?
Wyllydejerez 2 years ago
the royal navy raely got defeated i thik u need to check ur facts , spain got its ass kicked
fairman3456 2 years ago
El fairman este es tonto, lo que pasa que pa una batalla que nos ganan, pues no veas como se ponen, lo que no saben que ganaron gracias al Villeneuve el frances que se encargo de dirigir las tropas francesas y españolas...
Wyllydejerez 2 years ago
the fact is the spainsh never beat the british at major battles like trflaagr was that could chnage the course of the war , sure the briitsh had few enagments with the spainsh and we lost only some i might add but it failed to make an impact like this battle was ,the spanish fleet was destpyed for years after this , and please dont make out it was just villenuueve that made it a failed victory there was seveeral factors why the spainsh frecnh lost
fairman3456 2 years ago 4
not to mention as well the order of battle was to form up in a line , the spainsh and french made a mess of thier line , ships was suppose to be in anothe postion , all that i just said gave the british the advantage , even tho the french and spainsh had 37 ships v 27 ships largest battle for centures =o british ships losts 21 french spainsh ships lost 22 ships , thats why it was such a big victory
fairman3456 2 years ago
your on drugs the English had been hammerimg you since Drakes days single handed in a ship of 100ft he overpowered the best of Spains fleet over and over again and don't blame Villeneuve for Trafalgar blame the Spaniards that ran away back to Cadiz when the fighting started you really need to check your history
73mandala 2 years ago 4
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You had a lot of luck...
Nelson was injured in Tenerife, because it´s impossible for him capture Tenerife!! the spaniards cured British injured troops!!
You need say the real history, for example....
ummm Cartagena de Indias... this history was hided for Brits because 3000 spaniards defeated 25000 british!!! 6 spanish ships vs 84 ships(i don´t know exactly) ... Brits only knew defeat... and Nelson was forgiven for spaniards in Tenerife..great error!!
Spanish empire was better than British one
Wyllydejerez 2 years ago
The spanish told drake that he could enter the harbour in bahamas to restock then the fleet opend fire on him and his three trading ships! The sapniards then captured the british sailors and hung them on the beach by their arms until bloo burst from their fingers! Thats documented fact by a 15 year old sailor who survived with drake! No surprise Drake had a lifelong hatred of the spanish!
fenthedog 2 years ago 7
Spanish Empire was better than The Britains??? Really?? Maybe you should ask the south americans about that! All the countries under Britain prospered! All the spanish colonies did was wipe out the indigenous population and steal their wealth.
fenthedog 2 years ago 17
@fenthedog And let us not forget how the Spanish whiped out hundreds of tribes and nations throughout the caribbean and south america before the British even showed up!
nooo8oooo 1 year ago 4
@fenthedog
oh did the indigenous prosper in the british colonies? you mean the aborigines, the africans, the indians, bangladesh, pakistan, and first nations? I think you mean the british colonials got fat and wealthy in their colonies at the expense of the natives, leaving too few of the indigenous to make a difference in the new world, australia and africa. In india they did the same, oppressing the population who were too many to kill off. If india prospered it was of their own doing.
hobeeorchid 1 year ago
@hobeeorchid
Not all British colonials got rich and fat off the land, many struggled got ill and died, others came home. But the British Empire provided a lot of work for these nations, the ports, railways, bridges, roads and much more, which meant work for the local people of the nation, which meant regular money and food that they didnt have so well before.
It wasnt perfect, but the British Empires treatment of people and country's as a whole was better than other empires.
Woodlander65 1 year ago
@Woodlander65
Put that way, yes. Just didn't want people like fenthedog and co. to bask in bigotry :)
hobeeorchid 1 year ago
@Woodlander65 Buulshit...it was just exploitation. They were happy before the blondi islanders arrived to steal!!
hlbpr 1 year ago
@fenthedog Just the opposite...the british ended up committing genocide...that is why their colonies remain whiteys...the Spaniards where more benevolent. Remember, germanic people are predisposed genetically to be mass murderers...oh yeah... and Spain was defeated by weather, not by the islanders...and the few islanders remained ended up sailing away as anglican chickens and england ended up capitulating!! Ahahahahahah!!! So in the end Spain won!!! Llorón.
hlbpr 1 year ago
@hlbpr Allow me to take a machette to your intelectual thicket. This comment makes about as much sense as saying Spain won the last world war! Its obvious you need to attend school a bit more and pay a bit more attention when your there.
fenthedog 1 year ago
@hlbpr I think you need to pick up a history book friend, You dont seem to know much at all!
1MagicAndMayhem1 1 year ago
@hlbpr In your dreams maybe
History tells a different story
cry a river :)
1MagicAndMayhem1 11 months ago
@fenthedog
you missing one fact: post british colonies are made of british people
embran 9 months ago
@Wyllydejerez Fuck off was it!! The British empire was the largest empire known to man.FACT. You had in your empire what we didnt want, and when we did want it we took it from you. History was hidden from the Brits was it?? Your on drugs!
Saxonsoldiers 2 years ago 5
@Saxonsoldiers lool???? the Spanish Empire the first global empire... We had in our empire what you didn´t want????? LOOOL and Tenerife (Strategic Point) and Cartagena de Indias=??? we had in our power all what you wanted but you only got Gibraltar... for you, i don´t want it...
A thing is what you didn´t want and another one what you couldn´t take!!..
If Villeneuve had been a good commander or we had arrived to your island... the world would be another thing...
Greets friend ;)
Wyllydejerez 2 years ago
@Wyllydejerez :Our Lord Nelson is known the world over for his victories.Yes you may have had one or two victories but we won the war remember.We utterly destroyed spain twice! and France numerous times.You really have a tainted one sided veiw (as in your own version lol) of a history, that, im sorry to say, spain never had! You lost,get over it!
Saxonsoldiers 2 years ago 3
@Saxonsoldiers Our own version?? at least we don´t hide or change the history like you...
Your single great victory was Gibraltar´s war, and as you won everybody knows this battle but your historians never told battles where Spain won... like Cartagena de Indias where 3000 spaniards won 25000 englishmen... this history was hided...
Wyllydejerez 2 years ago
France betrayed to Spain and they were expulsed!!!
You can´t enter in Spain without the permission of the Spanish (Hitler to his commanders...)
Wyllydejerez 2 years ago
"Deeds not words"
Rule Britannia!
johnnyork 3 years ago
España ha vencido a Inglaterra en numerosas ocasiones lo que pasa es que el cine de Hollywood solamente ha reflejado sus glorias a diferencia de nuestros cineastas acomplejados que como buenos titiriteros solamente se dedican a hacer peliculas de la guerra civil en las que los republicanos son muy buenos y los franquistas muy malos. Así les va la taquilla que solo pueden vivir de subvenciones.
659Chubb 3 years ago 3
Que España ha vencido a Gran Bretaña en numerosas ocasiones no te lo crees ni tú. Los franquistas eran sencillamente golpistas y Franco y sus secuaces unos asesinos.
johnnyork 3 years ago
Desde luego el que no se lo cree eres tú,pero tres cojones importa ya.Con ese "nick", no se puede esperar nada de un perro anglófilo "juanitojamondeyork".
ViernesI3 3 years ago
Yo no necesito insultar, acertada o no tengo mi propia opinión y la argumento. Y sí, soy anglofilo, afrancesado, republicano y lo que me de la gana ¿y qué?
johnnyork 3 years ago
¿Anglófilo y afrancesado a la vez? jajajajaja,será una nueva faceta de la "multiculturalidad" imperante estos días.
Visionate el vídeo de mi perfil sobre derrotas de los perros;ese es el mejor argumento.
ViernesI3 3 years ago
Absolutely. That is why I wrote this music.
andrewlowewatson 3 years ago
The reason British school children learn about Trafalgar and the Armada are because they averted invasion of England. Just as we learn about the Romans, the Vikings, the Normans and the Nazis. All invasion attempts at our cuntry. Why would British kids learn about Cartegena? Do you realise how many naval battles Britain has fought over the centuries?
Raymond1970 3 years ago
At the end of the day it was a small Island that ended up ruling 1/4 of the world with complete mastery of the seas for the next 100 yrs. That is fact.
After Trafalger Britain built a Navy that was twice the size of the next two powerful nations combined. That is fact too.
oldgattonian2 3 years ago
yes it was becuase they had no choice but to do so.they way they acheived this was a disgrace though
rahulpower 2 years ago
Or...why overlook the decissive contribution of bernardo de galvez to the independence of the u.s. (battle of pensacola, reconquest of florida)? another example. As i said,...we are taught n spain that trafalgar was a terrible defeat. Now,...you do your bit and teach ur kids that their country has been nailed on some occasions,...a few of them at the hands of spain. Otherwise, I'll keep on thinking that it is a pinewood studios' scripter the guy who writes ur history books.
And that.
komepollass 3 years ago
Every country suffers defeats, but Trafalgar was more significant than the defets you've mentioned. And also we dont learn much about the battle of Qubirion bay 1759, Cape St vincent 1797 camperdown 1798 were The french, spanish and dutch fleets were defeted by the british I culd give a list of such Victories that we dont learn about. In contrast we learn a huge amount about our worst defeat, Battle of Hastings 1066 its about selcting the significant points in History.
olliewarrior 3 years ago
Cartagena, 1741 was 1 on 1.
Trafalgar wasn´t: French were in charge.
xgocadiz 3 years ago
In Spain, we study Trafalgar as a crushing defeat, we do not polish it up. What really annoys me is the fact that english defeats at the hands of the spaniards are always overlooked, ignored, hidden or regarded as "inconclusive" by the English people/media. The defeat of Vernon's fleet in 1741 was a crushing defeat as well, do not polish it and take it where we take trafalgar (in the chin). Have a good day.
ps: i live in england and really like this country and its people.
komepollass 3 years ago
That is true to a degree but Trafalgar was hugly more significant thats why it recives the attention it does it was the most decisive naval battle ever fought, 10 frech and Spanish were killed to evry brit and it take away the invasion threst to britan and ensure our dominance at sea for over ahundread years. So its not suprising it gets looked at the way it does.
olliewarrior 3 years ago
absolutely. So,...why do not study the battle of cartagena de indias / war of jenkins' ear as a decissive confrontation where england, after defeat, acknowledged that they could not destroy / capture the south american spanish empire,...just harass the convoys to the mainland? (another one,...seems like you captured every single galleon,...but apparently you only succeeded on a few occasions). That was decisive as well.
komepollass 3 years ago
Yes I agree with you that is desicive. But my point was out of all the decicive naval battles fought, it is a fact that Trafalgar, was the most desicive.Britan was the most dominant naval power which was insured by Trafalgar, and insured our freedom as well. It had a much greater impact on the world than action in the south altantic. It is studied so much because there is a lot to learn from success on that scale. But your right you learn from defeat aswell n it shouldent be overlooked.
olliewarrior 3 years ago
The Great Nelson doing his best, outstanding man!
katalambda 3 years ago
And it lost Florida in pensacola by spanish a little time later.
klauss31 4 years ago
nice nelson move
stefanm86 4 years ago
good english soldiers and spanish valiants and with honour.... fuck gays france bastards!!!
Raycogb 4 years ago
In memory of the battle of Trafalgar;
ARMADA-DE-LA-MAR-OCEANA
El amor, como ciego que es, impide a los amantes ver las divertidas tonterías que cometen.
El destino es el que baraja las cartas, pero nosotros somos los que jugamos.^^
SILLFEEL 4 years ago
I have something to say english people:
Your history eliminates your failures. In the schools you don´t study Cartagena de Indias 13 March 1741, for example. But you study Trafalgar, Spanish Armada...
And you study that your best seamen were seamen, but really, your best seamen were pirates.
andreucai 4 years ago
the best seamen were Spaniards: they DISCOVERED the world: ELcano, Juan de la Cosa, Nunez de Balboa, Pinzón brothers, etc etc
or Portuguese working for Spain: Magallan
Genovese working for Spain: Columbus.
For English manipulation of history:
you tube: "Blas de Lezo, sea wolf"
xgocadiz 4 years ago
Pirates who made our country richer at Spain's expense though. How is that any different, morally speaking, to the conquistadors making Spain richer at the native American's expense? And we don't "polish up" our history, we learn about the Charge of the Light brigade and Dunkirk alongside things like Trafalgar or Waterloo. There's really not much war stuff taught at all in schools here these days, inspite of the ammount of it we've indulged in.
xylaphonemaster 4 years ago
That brits don't polish up their history???? HAHAHAHAHA!, COME ON!!!!.
Just guess who said the following: "History will be kind to me because I intend to write it".
komepollass 3 years ago
Winston Churchill(although many have echoed that sentiment), and nothing's polished up about him. He's widely respected, but also acknowleged as a drinker, adulterer and a bad peacetime politician. So evidently he didn't actually get to write it. AND as I stated before history is taught without bias here, but they only teach so much military history. Might wanna take that point back to the drawing board perhaps?
xylaphonemaster 3 years ago
I simply do not believe you teach your kids history without a bias, military or not. Example: Who invented the first printing machine?...Steve Guttenberg (a swiss), well,...apparently not for the english, at least the ones I've known.
komepollass 3 years ago
I have to confess I've never discussed printing, or really learned about it at any length. But that said, I was actually under the impression it was a German chap named Johann Gutenberg.
xylaphonemaster 3 years ago
Even today trafalger is acknowledged throughout the world as one of the greatest and celebrated naval victorys in history. Because of the royal navy, major sea conflicts after trafalger all over the world ceased for many years. Respect for the royal navy.
WillBeringer 4 years ago
you tube:
blas de lezo, sea wolf
menorca1571 4 years ago
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My respects from Spain: but Spain beat England inn more battles than viceversa. You just forget the ones you lost (only took Jamaica from us)
SEE: BLAS DE LEZO, BATTLE OF CARTAGENA IN 1741
TRAFALGAR WAS LOST DUE TO FRENCH INCOMPETENCE. NOT A SPANISH BATTLE: IT EAS NAPOLEON´S WAR (SPANISH PEOPLE REBELLED AGAINST HIM 3 YEARS AFTER TRAFALGAR)
xgocadiz 4 years ago
Lol? No Spain did not beat England in more battles.
Talbot6832 4 years ago
really? tenerife menorca puerto rico cartagena coruña cadiz etc etc
only took jamaica in 300 years.
xgocadiz 4 years ago
British took Cuba in the Seven Years'War!
OddThomas88 4 years ago 2
They only took havana,...and obviously did not keep it for long.
komepollass 3 years ago
And 2 words : Spanish Armada. OWNED!
Talbot6832 4 years ago
1 year after Armada: Drake and English Armada OWNED at Coruña by MAria Pita.
xgocadiz 4 years ago
Not in the nile they werent, nor at the most famous and important TRAFALGAR. The Royal navy were the most disciplined and strongest navy in the world, and we won the most decisive battles at sea.
WillBeringer 4 years ago
Cartagena de Indias, 1741: ¨The English with the largest fleet in history (till Normandy, 1944) defeated by Spain.
xgocadiz 4 years ago
Battle of Cartagena de Indias wasn't a naval battle, it was more of a siege, it lasted months. Most of the British died from disease.
OddThomas88 4 years ago 3
It was both. The first part, was a naval battle, with british advantage (enormous superiority) but with a lot of casualties (cannon balls aren't disease yet). Then British occupied several fortress around Cartagena (San Luis, La Popa...) with more casualties. And because the bad planification and organization, a lot of british casualties were because disease. It's curious that always you have been defeated "it's because disease. whtever...I always laugh with vernon's medal of "victory" hahahaha
siguerascando 3 years ago
Disease 1 - Las Palmas 2
komepollass 3 years ago
Trafalgar wasn't lost by French incompetence, it was won by the British crews being plain better than either of the two navys. As for the defeats inflicted on eachother, Spain has held it's own, but Britain did as much to free Spain from Napoleon as the partisans, while Spain's army's were so useless that they refused to deliver the supplies promised to us and even ran from their own musket volleys noise at the battle of Talavera.
xylaphonemaster 3 years ago 4
you tube: Blas de Lezo, sea wolf
And sorry I don´t have time to educate you just now.
xgocadiz 3 years ago
Fortunately you've no need to educate me as I've A) been to school before and B) seen that video before, but you should look at things more objectively and take them less personally. Blas se Lezo wasn't at Trafalgar, though I've no doubt his presence would have been felt, and the state of Spain's military decades later was certainly not his fault.
xylaphonemaster 3 years ago 3
1)Spanish EMpire begins in 1282 when the Crown of Aragón defeats the NOrmans in Sicily. as you know the Normans were victors over Anglo-Saxons. It was quite old in 1805, exhausted from 1100 years of constant warfare, specially with muslims (something Britain never did).
2)At Trafalgar, Villeneuve was in charge. SPanish marines were sick with the yellow fever.
xgocadiz 3 years ago
I think you'll find England participated in the crusades, but either way I don't see why our not having killed muslims for no other reason than to appease a bloodthirsty Pope would've be a bad thing? I will check out that Robert Southey book though, new perspectives are always intresting.
xylaphonemaster 3 years ago 2
Instead of reading your feel good chauvinistic "history", take a look at Robert Southey´s The Peninsular War: porBrit, but not a joke like 90% of British official History.
Adieu.
xgocadiz 3 years ago
*proBrit
xgocadiz 3 years ago
That is true
johnnyork 3 years ago
omg
IvanDrago0 4 years ago
The best boats were the spanish.
And the naval spanish generals like Churruca, was the best. Spanish were defeated in Trafalgar, because of the bad combat of the french general Villeneuve (the worse naval general in all history).
Moribund0 4 years ago
As long as you haven´t invented a timetravelling machine you haven´t got anything to say.
PangPrego 4 years ago
It is not a matter of boats, it is a matter of crews. In the navy there are no "generals" but admirals.
johnnyork 3 years ago
which means what exactly?
gurminder2005 3 years ago