Thank you for this video. I pray others will study up and learn to read the New Testament in light of the Old Testament, and to stop treating any view that is not a Futurist view of Rev as heresy. I highly recomend the books "Before Jeruselem Fell," and "The Apocolyse Code" to those daring enough to learn to read the bible in the context it was designed.
Er, the Caesar at the time of John's writing was Domitian, not Nero. And the angel doesn't say 'seven hills', he says 'seven mountains'. Nice job, but I'm afraid you're a bit off the mark on several points.
@cleareyedcleanheart Looking at the internal evidence, the book was written during the time of Nero. Mostly, "five have fallen, one is, and the next will reign for a short time." Nero was the 6th Caesar. The hills/mountains was probably from the bible translation I quoted. Thanks for the comment, and watching the video. Blessings to you!
@Chewie576 It could not have been written during the time of Nero, since it was Domitian who imprisoned John on Patmos where he wrote the book. You are not far from the answer, but you need to consider that the word 'kings' often also refers to kingdoms. LIke when it says, 'three kings came against Israel', it isn't talking about three guys on their horses, but their whole kingdom's armies. Rome itself is the king(dom) of whom it says "one is". There were five Beast kingdoms before Rome,
@cleareyedcleanheart read "Before Jeruselem Fell", it tears to shreads not only your arguement, but the whole Dominian late date argument as well. I use to be like you brother, but a little research and the reading of reading the New Testament in light of the Old Testament really clarified things for me. I pray you receive the same blessing.
NRWN QSR, the Hebrew spelling of Nero Ceasar, added up to 666 using gematria. We don't assign numerical value to our alphabet today, which further confirms a first century fulfillment. Google "mark of the beast" and "richard anthony" for more amazing info on this.
Yes, NERO CAESAR is and WILL BE the coming Beast as described tin the Book of Revelation... I have a correction to the wounded beast, the wounded beast is not the Roman Empire, it is NERO CAESAR himself, and the world (entire people of the earth) WILL WONDER when these things WILL HAPPEN SOON...! Jesus Christ, born, died, and resurrected... Nero Caesar will imitate that, he was alive, died, and WILL come back to life as described in II Thessalonians 2:9. Please read it...
Your theory is sound, I have my own which I have compiled from researching different sites as well as here..He shall, in fact be either be a Pope that falls under a "False Doctrine", Pehaps someone of Roman Royalty who comes onto the world scene as a person of great influence and charisma.or..in 2012, an event of particular importance will take place at the Vatican, something of great dark power and authourity will be released or revealed, I now doubt that the Anti-Christ and the Beast are diff.
7 world powers. John was sitting in the 5th. when it says one is that is the 5th.I would recommend Walid Shoebat. Because you need to see this from the side of an ex-Muslim Terrorist turned Christian who says that the Antichrist of the bible is the Mahdi of Islam. Remarkable claim until you read Isaiah 14 and 47 then read Ezekiel 27 and 28 then read Revelation 11.and Daniel 11.
Rev. 17:10 says 5 have fallen, on is, and the other will last a short time. He is speaking of the Roman Caesars. The one who is, number 6 was Nero. All of this was fulfilled by 70AD.
I was reading over your guy's debate. My! I got a wee bit lost. Anywho, so can the beast, with seven heads, affiliate with the ceasar family as a whole? (Does each of the seven heads, more or so, represent a ceasar?)
I'm real rusty with the bible. I don't know the significance of the ten toes. (I'm in the process of getting more biblically advanced, knowledge-wise.) I pretty much need a spell-it-out-to-me type of response. (In regards to this matter.) I am very interested in this discussion.
The 10 toes represent 10 Kings or Caesars. Same thing in Revelation. Christ came to destroy the old covenant to consummate the new covenant. 70 AD was it.
Uh, it does not represent 10 ceasars. Preterism only believes that 7 ceasars were mentioned in Revelation 17. And you're forgetting that a little horn emerged out of the 10 horns of the 4th beast.
And sorry, but the New Covenant was established in Acts 2 - which was a prophecy of Jeremiah 31:31. And guess what? Gentiles are not mentioned being part of the New Covenant.
What? The whole "Mystery" was that the Gentiles would be included in the New Covenant. Look at what Paul said, Peter said, and even Isaiah confirms that the Gentiles would be included in the New Covenant. There were a total of 10 Caesars until the destruction of the Temple.
Isaiah prophesied that Gentiles would seek Christ but never mentions that Gentiles would take part in the New Covenant. And if Isaiah mentioned that the Gentiles would be part of the NC, then it wasn't a "Mystery" since only God knew of this secret.
Also, Peter and Paul never mention Gentiles being part of the New Covenant. Paul quotes Jeremiah 31:31 but he is talking to Jewish-Christians when he does(Hebrews 8).
As I said before, the New Covenant was established decades before 70 AD.
Isaiah 42:6 does not support your theory. It clearly says the covenant is given to Israel as in "give THEE(Israel) for a covenant of the people". Isaiah 49:6 repeats the same thing, using THEE.
Israel was supposed to be the "Light of the world", but that failed to happen because they denied their Messiah.
Acts 11:18 answers itself in the next verse about who the "Gentiles" are, "Now they which were SCATTERED abroad upon the persecution...preaching the word to none but unto the Jews ONLY."
I agree that there is only one road to the Father and that is through Yeshua, but to say that Christians are "Israel" - that is heresy. There is no Scripture to support that claim.
Yeshua foretold that the Jews would return to Jerusalem in Matthew 24:32-33 and in Luke 21:24. YHWH is not finished with Israel, but that won't happen until the "fulness of the Gentiles come in".
Romans 2:28-29 28For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the SPIRIT, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
Galatians 3:7
Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham.
Christians are the Israel of God. It is by FAITH that you are saved. You can not put NEW wine in OLD wineskins. That is the covenant. Whoever has FAITH in Christ is the Israel of God. Remember reading, "Not all Israel are of Israel"?
You do know that Paul Roman crowd were majority scattered Israelites, right?
Romans 2:17 "Behold, THOU art CALLED a JEW, and restest in the Torah, and makest thy boast of God"
Romans 11:1 "I say then, Hath God cast away his PEOPLE? God forbid. For I also am an ISRAELITE..."
And those other verses do not support that Gentiles take part in the New Covenant that is ONLY for the House of Israel and the House of Judah - entirely different from the Body of Christ that Gentiles are in.
You should continue reading after Daniel 7:17 where it says that the Roman empire will have power over the "WHOLE EARTH"(Daniel 7:23) until judgment is given from YHWH to establish his Kingdom.
The Roman Empire did have power over the whole earth, Caesar mentioned taking a census of the earth, or really his empire which at that time was huge! There is nothing more to look for past AD 70.
No. There most likely will be a new world order on its way. What I'm saying is that it does not fulfill prophecy. Prophecy has all been fulfilled. The new world order in our day has no biblical significance. The new world order is the fault of Christians doing nothing because they think it does fulfill prophecy and they welcome the new world order to come. To their own destruction on the hope of Christs return. Their error is that He came in 70 AD and don't even know it.
First off, the Book of Revelation was written BEFORE 70 AD. There is way too much evidence, both internal and external, that points to an early date. Secondly, Christ's "coming on the clouds" was not the Second Coming but a coming in judgment and exaltation (see OT judgments on Edom and Egypt,)
John wrote this prior to Nero's death. He said five have fallen, one IS and the next will last a short time. Nero IS the one who IS. The world that was to pass away was the old covenant world or the "Law". That world came to an end with its destruction that Jesus prophecied about. Read Matt. 24.
Hmm I don't know what to think. Exept how could the whole world be astonished when most of the world wasn't aware of what happend? I have left the whole charasmatic movment so I do have thier view maybe on the last days. So this does kind of confuse me.
research from jewish perspective..they still celebrate this revolt the bar kochba revolt ,simon bar kochba being crowned messiah....by a rabbi akiaba////very intresting!
Thank you for this video. I pray others will study up and learn to read the New Testament in light of the Old Testament, and to stop treating any view that is not a Futurist view of Rev as heresy. I highly recomend the books "Before Jeruselem Fell," and "The Apocolyse Code" to those daring enough to learn to read the bible in the context it was designed.
ajax5241978 1 month ago
Very good vid. You make some very good claims. See also all of Ezekiel, how God compares Israel to a harlot. Indeed, she rides the beast!
GizmoChicho 3 months ago
Er, the Caesar at the time of John's writing was Domitian, not Nero. And the angel doesn't say 'seven hills', he says 'seven mountains'. Nice job, but I'm afraid you're a bit off the mark on several points.
cleareyedcleanheart 8 months ago
@cleareyedcleanheart Looking at the internal evidence, the book was written during the time of Nero. Mostly, "five have fallen, one is, and the next will reign for a short time." Nero was the 6th Caesar. The hills/mountains was probably from the bible translation I quoted. Thanks for the comment, and watching the video. Blessings to you!
Chewie576 8 months ago
@Chewie576 It could not have been written during the time of Nero, since it was Domitian who imprisoned John on Patmos where he wrote the book. You are not far from the answer, but you need to consider that the word 'kings' often also refers to kingdoms. LIke when it says, 'three kings came against Israel', it isn't talking about three guys on their horses, but their whole kingdom's armies. Rome itself is the king(dom) of whom it says "one is". There were five Beast kingdoms before Rome,
cleareyedcleanheart 8 months ago
@cleareyedcleanheart read "Before Jeruselem Fell", it tears to shreads not only your arguement, but the whole Dominian late date argument as well. I use to be like you brother, but a little research and the reading of reading the New Testament in light of the Old Testament really clarified things for me. I pray you receive the same blessing.
ajax5241978 1 month ago
NRWN QSR, the Hebrew spelling of Nero Ceasar, added up to 666 using gematria. We don't assign numerical value to our alphabet today, which further confirms a first century fulfillment. Google "mark of the beast" and "richard anthony" for more amazing info on this.
Tracena22 1 year ago
Yes, NERO CAESAR is and WILL BE the coming Beast as described tin the Book of Revelation... I have a correction to the wounded beast, the wounded beast is not the Roman Empire, it is NERO CAESAR himself, and the world (entire people of the earth) WILL WONDER when these things WILL HAPPEN SOON...! Jesus Christ, born, died, and resurrected... Nero Caesar will imitate that, he was alive, died, and WILL come back to life as described in II Thessalonians 2:9. Please read it...
juniusrachus 2 years ago
All of these things were appointed to happen in the first century, not thousands of years later. It's over and done with.
Chewie576 2 years ago
I suggest Ennio Morricone´s "Human". For added suspense. Oh yeah.
BiancaAbides 2 years ago
Your theory is sound, I have my own which I have compiled from researching different sites as well as here..He shall, in fact be either be a Pope that falls under a "False Doctrine", Pehaps someone of Roman Royalty who comes onto the world scene as a person of great influence and charisma.or..in 2012, an event of particular importance will take place at the Vatican, something of great dark power and authourity will be released or revealed, I now doubt that the Anti-Christ and the Beast are diff.
awakenedenlightenmnt 2 years ago
The Bible states that it was to happen "soon", "shortly", "in this generation". That leaves no room for a 2,000+ year postponement.
Chewie576 2 years ago
7 world powers. John was sitting in the 5th. when it says one is that is the 5th.I would recommend Walid Shoebat. Because you need to see this from the side of an ex-Muslim Terrorist turned Christian who says that the Antichrist of the bible is the Mahdi of Islam. Remarkable claim until you read Isaiah 14 and 47 then read Ezekiel 27 and 28 then read Revelation 11.and Daniel 11.
NoneBeforeNoneAfter 2 years ago
Rev. 17:10 says 5 have fallen, on is, and the other will last a short time. He is speaking of the Roman Caesars. The one who is, number 6 was Nero. All of this was fulfilled by 70AD.
Chewie576 2 years ago
I was reading over your guy's debate. My! I got a wee bit lost. Anywho, so can the beast, with seven heads, affiliate with the ceasar family as a whole? (Does each of the seven heads, more or so, represent a ceasar?)
espezido 2 years ago
There are 10 Ceasars up to 70AD. These are the 10 toes on the image spoken in Daniel. Coincidence?
Chewie576 2 years ago
I'm real rusty with the bible. I don't know the significance of the ten toes. (I'm in the process of getting more biblically advanced, knowledge-wise.) I pretty much need a spell-it-out-to-me type of response. (In regards to this matter.) I am very interested in this discussion.
espezido 2 years ago
So how does this fit into the 5th beast from Daniel? The roman empire was the 4th beast.
Shalom & Agape
theheat151 2 years ago
There are only 4 beasts in Daniel.
Chewie576 2 years ago
The 5th beast is part of the 4th beast(Rome). It has toes of both Iron and Clay.
theheat151 2 years ago
Daniel 7:17
The four great beasts are four kingdoms that will rise from the earth. The last beast was Rome. There are no others.
Chewie576 2 years ago
Read Daniel 2 about the last kingdom of 10 toes. It is a continuation or revival of the Roman empire before the Kingdom of God is established.
theheat151 2 years ago
The 10 toes represent 10 Kings or Caesars. Same thing in Revelation. Christ came to destroy the old covenant to consummate the new covenant. 70 AD was it.
Chewie576 2 years ago
Uh, it does not represent 10 ceasars. Preterism only believes that 7 ceasars were mentioned in Revelation 17. And you're forgetting that a little horn emerged out of the 10 horns of the 4th beast.
And sorry, but the New Covenant was established in Acts 2 - which was a prophecy of Jeremiah 31:31. And guess what? Gentiles are not mentioned being part of the New Covenant.
theheat151 2 years ago
What? The whole "Mystery" was that the Gentiles would be included in the New Covenant. Look at what Paul said, Peter said, and even Isaiah confirms that the Gentiles would be included in the New Covenant. There were a total of 10 Caesars until the destruction of the Temple.
Chewie576 2 years ago
Isaiah prophesied that Gentiles would seek Christ but never mentions that Gentiles would take part in the New Covenant. And if Isaiah mentioned that the Gentiles would be part of the NC, then it wasn't a "Mystery" since only God knew of this secret.
Also, Peter and Paul never mention Gentiles being part of the New Covenant. Paul quotes Jeremiah 31:31 but he is talking to Jewish-Christians when he does(Hebrews 8).
As I said before, the New Covenant was established decades before 70 AD.
theheat151 2 years ago
Read Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 49:6, 22, Acts 11:18, Acts 13:46, 48, Acts 18:6, Acts 22:21, Acts 26:23, Acts 28:28, Romans 1:5, Romans 10:12, Romans 11:11, Romans 11:13, Romans 15:16, Galatians 3:8, Ephesians 3:6, 8, Colossians 1:27, 2 Timothy 4:17, nuff said.
Chewie576 2 years ago
Isaiah 42:6 does not support your theory. It clearly says the covenant is given to Israel as in "give THEE(Israel) for a covenant of the people". Isaiah 49:6 repeats the same thing, using THEE.
Israel was supposed to be the "Light of the world", but that failed to happen because they denied their Messiah.
Acts 11:18 answers itself in the next verse about who the "Gentiles" are, "Now they which were SCATTERED abroad upon the persecution...preaching the word to none but unto the Jews ONLY."
theheat151 2 years ago
There is NO DISTINCTION between Jew and Gentile. There is only ONE plan of salvation in Christ Jesus, not two roads. Jesus is the gate. No other way.
Chewie576 2 years ago
I agree that there is only one road to the Father and that is through Yeshua, but to say that Christians are "Israel" - that is heresy. There is no Scripture to support that claim.
Yeshua foretold that the Jews would return to Jerusalem in Matthew 24:32-33 and in Luke 21:24. YHWH is not finished with Israel, but that won't happen until the "fulness of the Gentiles come in".
theheat151 2 years ago
@theheat151
RE to call Christians Israel is Heresy...
Romans 2:28-29 28For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the SPIRIT, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
Galatians 3:7
Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham.
Peace :)
ChristianNewsWatch 2 years ago
Christians are the Israel of God. It is by FAITH that you are saved. You can not put NEW wine in OLD wineskins. That is the covenant. Whoever has FAITH in Christ is the Israel of God. Remember reading, "Not all Israel are of Israel"?
Chewie576 2 years ago
You do know that Paul Roman crowd were majority scattered Israelites, right?
Romans 2:17 "Behold, THOU art CALLED a JEW, and restest in the Torah, and makest thy boast of God"
Romans 11:1 "I say then, Hath God cast away his PEOPLE? God forbid. For I also am an ISRAELITE..."
And those other verses do not support that Gentiles take part in the New Covenant that is ONLY for the House of Israel and the House of Judah - entirely different from the Body of Christ that Gentiles are in.
theheat151 2 years ago
You should continue reading after Daniel 7:17 where it says that the Roman empire will have power over the "WHOLE EARTH"(Daniel 7:23) until judgment is given from YHWH to establish his Kingdom.
That hasn't happened yet.
theheat151 2 years ago
The Roman Empire did have power over the whole earth, Caesar mentioned taking a census of the earth, or really his empire which at that time was huge! There is nothing more to look for past AD 70.
Chewie576 2 years ago
So, you're telling me that you don't believe that there is going to be a new world order via roman-style?
theheat151 2 years ago
No. There most likely will be a new world order on its way. What I'm saying is that it does not fulfill prophecy. Prophecy has all been fulfilled. The new world order in our day has no biblical significance. The new world order is the fault of Christians doing nothing because they think it does fulfill prophecy and they welcome the new world order to come. To their own destruction on the hope of Christs return. Their error is that He came in 70 AD and don't even know it.
Chewie576 2 years ago
First off, the book was written AFTER 70 AD and second -where is the PROOF that Yeshua did in fact come in 70 AD?
theheat151 2 years ago
@theheat151
First off, the Book of Revelation was written BEFORE 70 AD. There is way too much evidence, both internal and external, that points to an early date. Secondly, Christ's "coming on the clouds" was not the Second Coming but a coming in judgment and exaltation (see OT judgments on Edom and Egypt,)
lorichet 1 year ago
also
JOHN WROTE THIS AFTER NEURO CAESAR WAS DEAD
AmericaToday2008 3 years ago
John wrote this prior to Nero's death. He said five have fallen, one IS and the next will last a short time. Nero IS the one who IS. The world that was to pass away was the old covenant world or the "Law". That world came to an end with its destruction that Jesus prophecied about. Read Matt. 24.
Chewie576 3 years ago
the Bible says this world will pass away
also we will be raptured
if the antichrist was like 1000 years ago, what are you suggesting? God forgot about us??
by the way, i dont think this world is destroyed.. we wouldnt be HERE
AmericaToday2008 3 years ago
Hmm I don't know what to think. Exept how could the whole world be astonished when most of the world wasn't aware of what happend? I have left the whole charasmatic movment so I do have thier view maybe on the last days. So this does kind of confuse me.
setfree2day 3 years ago
Even so, Come Lord Jesus!
answerme33 3 years ago
research from jewish perspective..they still celebrate this revolt the bar kochba revolt ,simon bar kochba being crowned messiah....by a rabbi akiaba////very intresting!
MikeGram101 3 years ago
Good stuff. Well laid out. Thanks.
mosesfly 3 years ago
awesome video. keep up the good work!
SeekEmet 3 years ago