@franknbeans4761 The cover story ALWAYS sounds impressive, but it seldom contains information on how the results were achieved. The "how" story is always the last thing to be reported, and is nearly always the result of a leak.
Case in point --- in order to deploy 274 AH-64 Apaches to Desert Shield, 300 others were grounded, to free-up enough resources for the rest to operate;
@BlacktailDefense True, it just seems encouraging for foreign countries to be using it in combat and good results emerging. The British also used it in Bold Alligator in some parts of it too.
As for the Apache, true. I wish I knew more specific details about it, such as the needs, problems, pilot availability, etc. It is hard to say how those original Apaches are compared to say Block III Apaches. It's win over the Mi-28N in India is something to consider as well.
@franknbeans4761 The prognosis for the Block III Apaches isn't good. Even the original Apache was underpowered, and the Longbow piles-on more weight without increasing horsepower to compensate; contrast this with the Westland-Augusta Apache AH1, which weighs as much as an AH-64A, but has 4200hp instead of 3600hp --- and in spite of this, also twice the range.
@BlacktailDefense I have read that the WAH-64D has 4,200hp while the AH-64D Block III has 4,000hp. Slightly less but not significantly. And you could consider the much larger unit cost of the WAH-64D.
But the upgrades in the Block III provide superior avionics and electronic suits than the WAH-64D.
That being said, it currently seems very effective. Especially in comparison to the Mi-28N as stated earlier.
Nobody seen those 20 counts actualy. It was better kick back, and/or AH-64 fit tasks Indians have better than Mi-28N which has sligntly different mission.
But technicaly Mi-28 totaly superion in everything like weaponry, protection, speed e t c while sensors could be on pair. In addition it can carry up to two passengers.
@MarshallJukov I would say that the Mi-28N just needs time to mature. It has A LOT of awesome characteristics that could make it one hell of a weapon, but it needs time to work out some of it's problems and "mature." Which is something that a lot of systems need.
I am very eager to see those 20 counts. Time will tell.
For India, the Apache seems like a safer bet, while over time, the Mi-28N will be significantly better.
@MarshallJukov Well, the AH-64D still was able to go through more "trials" than the Mi-28. I would say it is probably better developed due to the amount of flight hours they built up, number produced, number of upgrades, and so on. As for it being a disaster, I will have to respectfully disagree, since many other countries used it well.
Maybe we should just leave it to agree to disagree?
Thats because of well known events mass production of Mi-28 was largely delayed, and it was offered for export only fairly recently.
Fact that AH-64 is maintenance disaster second only to M1 Abrams is common knowlege.
While Mi-28 can be serviced by even conscripts supervised by one engineer, with nearly no infrastructure needed. Sweds confirm this fact, just as fact that Mi-28 is much more comfortable for piloting and weapons use.
No doubts about that, they used them just fine on sandmokeys with AKs and journalists.
Why i say that piloting and weapons use of Mi-28 is more comfortable? Because sweds told so after they had chance to examine it. Mi-28 is as reliable and easy to use as AK-47
@MarshallJukov Depends, maybe it is easier to use. I wouldn't doubt it given Russia's history.
As for the Israeli's, ha ha true. I was referring to countries like Israel, Britain, Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, Singapore, UAE, Kuwait, Japan, Netherlands, Greece, and Egypt not having large problems maintaining it.
They HAVE problems maintaining it. They just have no alternatives in most cases. Everything is relative. When you an engineer or logistics officer and you try to service Mi-28 after Ah-64, you will never want to go back.
@VickersIndependent The AH-1Z uses 2 T700-GE-401C engines which give it a cruise speed of 296km/h while the AH-64 has a cruise speed of 265km/h. The AH-1Z is a remarkable aircraft but it has lesser degrees of effectiveness in certain areas due to it's lack of a mast mounted sight.
@BlacktailDefense Well, although that is true with the Arjun, I would have to say that the Rafale was much better than it's competitors, just as the Swiss recently found out too. But according to the Indian tender, the Apache was better on 20 counts. It seems hard to deny.
Good that we have the wiesel 1 for as an " expeditionary fire support system . You can fit two of then into an CH-53 , one with an 20mm auto cannon and one with an mg3 and tow , for example . From the point of firepower it comes close to an IFV and even their paper-amour is better than , well nothing by missing a door . Btw just read , looks like USA order 7 of then .
@Rohrkrepierer88 That vehicle would have saved the 'Corps a LOT of sweat, blood, and money that was squandered on the Growler. It's not like they've never *heard* of the Wiesel before --- I've read about it in very old issues of Armor Magazine.
@TheLoyalOfficer My main source was a a couple of articles published by Soldiers For The Truth. Since SFTT cleaned-house a few years ago, the articles in question are no longer on their site, but copies can be found in internet forums;
@VickersIndependent It looks like a promising design. Considering that it's an all-original GDLS product, and not a hand-me-down Frankenstein from some company they absorbed, it's remarkable that they're selling Growlers instead of Shadows... unless the Growler is more profitable, that is.
@grahamkeithtodd Bribery and corruption are what the Pentagon is all about. Read "About Face", by David Hackworth, "The Pentagon Wars: Reformers Challenge the Old Guard", by James G. Burton, "Bore Bucks, Less Bang: How the Pentagon buys Ineffective Weapons", by Dina Rasor.
Here's another enlightening book that you can read online;
@franknbeans4761 That could be the "Lizard" ATV used by the IDF (which weighs only 600kg), but I've never seen a photo of one, so I can't confirm this.
It would indeed be a VERY bad idea to use them alongside tanks (one wrong turn, and SCRUNCH), but IDF Armor and SOF units need to be prepared to cooperate on the battlefield.
It may seem inefficient to use a vehicle this small, but it's much faster than walking, and this one doesn't even PRETEND to be a Prime Mover.
@BlacktailDefense It seems odd to think they would use that when clearing a simulated village/light settlement. Especially when they have plenty of modified Humvees that would probably be better, let alone M113's.
7:25 looks like flawed logic. If you show that even up-armored Hmmv can be blown up into pieces, this is rather a point for not using light armored vehicles, certainly not a valid logic to rant about the lack of doors in army's vehicle. Even if enemy soldier cannot say if the driver was smiling before being blown up (because it has doors), it doesn't makes the driver any safer, only less aware of surroundings because of lack of better view.
V22 aside: Aerospatiale recently flew the fastest chopper available : it's a standard rotor with forward-facing props on stub wings added. Lots of speed and NO tiltrotor crap... check out recent Aviation Weeks for the article(s)
@noponat666 I know of this type of aircraft; they're called "Compound Helicopters". It's not a new idea, with past examples including the AH-56 Cheyenne, S-66, Sikorsky S-72 RSRA, S-67 Blackhawk, XH-51, Piasecki Cobra, Piasecki Ringtail, Boeing-Vertol 347, and many others.
The new Eurocopter X3 seems even faster than these, but it's also about 18kts slower than the Sikorsky X2.
@franknbeans4761 Just because something is widely used doesn't mean it is good. The Phalanx has a VERY dismal record when it comes to destroying real threats. The USS Stark incident is a prime example, testimony afterwards revealed that the Phalanx couldn't run for more than a few hours before breaking down.
The Phalanx has never successfully intercepted a missile in combat. I would love for you to find such a situation.
@Crosshair84 Yes and no. Relying on a 20mm weapon for close in defense is shady no matter what. It has been successful in Iraq when deployed on the ground intercepting mortar/rocket artillery. That is for sure.
But when considering it's lack of AShM's being launched at it, I could say that the Kashtan never successfully intercepted a missile in combat as well.
@franknbeans4761 well but the Kashtan has never seen combat (as far as i know) we can tell if its good or just a piece of junk. to this day we just know it looks cool
@Pcordero87 Ha ha well it does look cool, but I am merely saying that the Phalanx saw minor combat, to nearly no combat. So saying it is bad because it hasn't stopped missiles would be kind of foolish.
However, the C-RAM has been successful in Iraq and the actual 20mm gun used in it has been very successful as well.
And your image of the Humvee burning and yet again, trying to bash America is pathetic. Are you saying the Humvee is bad? With massive amounts being built and even tens of thousands being used by other countries? It has had unbelievable successes. Keep your Finnish biased beliefs to yourself.
A lot of your videos contain moronic arguments that you randomly find online with no credibility. Like with the $9,000 per gallon. It's ridiculous. You are seriously insane to pick and choose all the wrong facts in order to try to bring down everything American made or done.
I just can't believe you think the MUTT is bad. Over 100,000 were built and it's still in use all over the world. Not that it is good now, but it was great for many years when in service and still has it's uses today. The insanity.
An armored hummve costs about 180k do the math which one would u buy? Are people retards these days spending that much when I can go buy some wood and make my golfcart like that.
@franknbeans4761 Regarding the CSAR mission, I have a hard time swallowing the claims made of the V-22's performance for a number of reasons. For one, it's not pressurized --- the crew's use of oxygen masks (a crutch) highlights this Achilles Heel;
g2mil(.)com/v-22struggles(.)htm
For another, V-22s are also incapable of flying over 350nm unless they fly at extreme speeds and altitudes;
@BlacktailDefense I overlooked your other comment. The V-22 did fully complete that CSAR mission. You can look up any article on it. It is a fact. And it's missions like that that make it so valuable. Don't judge it by it's disastrous development. It is a great improvement over the CH-46.
@BlacktailDefense But on top of that, it was going to rescue special operations soldiers. The V-22 flew over 15,000 ft mountains and due to the nature of the troops being picked up, I would fully imagine they had oxygen available to them, or they just took another route on the way back. The pilots certainly have oxygen available to them. But regardless, the V-22 is without a doubt faster than almost any other CSAR aircraft.
@BlacktailDefense Yeah, I fucked that up. There was another article that referenced a Marine Company being inserted in the operation from a range of 150 miles. That was my bad.
Wait a minute, we are actually buying this POS???!!! How old is the Crowne family again???
I've got people who always mention that the US will pound anyone's loins... As an Asian, I always was skeptical. The sea is a sea, no matter how much amphibious forces there is. The Stryker only reinforced the idea, but this is giving me the chills. And how KIAing dare they waste the money like that. They are the #1 reason for our recession, not the housing market.
@MingGuoLi The Growler is even worse now --- since 2007 when I first assembled this slide-show, the Growler's Unit Cost has exploded to over $1 Million.
@BlacktailDefense LMFAO you've gotta be fuckin' kidding me. A price tag that's bigger than those on some MBTs for a glorified Jeep! I know the MICC is wasteful, but this blows the $350 manual screwdrivers out of the water.
It amazes me how Americans would actually waste so much money on a jeep that doesn't work all so it can have a pseudo air mech strike, and the worst part is that secondhand BMDs are probably cheaper,definatly safer, then this.
@VickersIndependent Remember that this is also in limited use, the CH-53E is capable of transporting 2 Humvees slung under the aircraft. The USMC is not mean to be an all mechanized force. Look at the composition of MEUs, Expeditionary Brigades, and even the basic Marine battalion of a Marine Division. They use LAVs, AAV-7s, Abrams tanks, and Humvees. This vehicle is more so in use with Force Recon Marines. But regardless you are right when you say it wasted money.
And you had a picture of a V-22 crashed? Are you honestly saying the V-22 is bad? It had many accidents during its development but as of right now it is a completely modern aircraft. It is probably the best air assault aircraft in the world and it's capabilities cannot be matched.
@BlacktailDefense How is the current vehicle bad? It has such a long range, maneuverability, and is capable of landing in almost any terrain. It is probably one of the biggest leaps in rotary aircraft in the last 20 to 30 years. It will give far more possibilities to Marine Expeditionary Forces and Air Force Search and Rescue teams.
@BlacktailDefense Yes, the aircraft had a very rocky beginning, especially when compared to other US projects. But the US did realize that it is an excellent concept to have an aircraft like this so they kept testing. There were many deaths but regardless the aircraft that is in use today has an unbelievable range for a VTOL transport, a great top speed, and a good payload for it's size and capabilities. An aircraft with it's range, speed, and VTOL abilities is not comparable.
The Growler is still a light vehicle that can provide irreplaceable mobility to forces sent behind enemy lines by means of Osprey or CH-53E and works together with the towed mortar. Also, it is a great little vehicle for Force Recon units. And you say it was made by scrap parts of jeeps? Well the jeep was originally made with scrap parts of cars and look how that turned out.
@franknbeans4761 "The Growler is still a light vehicle that can provide irreplaceable mobility to forces sent behind enemy lines by means of Osprey or CH-53E and works together with the towed mortar."
Wow, you're such a total tool, you even defend the Growler!
@BlacktailDefense As for the Growler, I am presenting an argument for it's validity on the battlefield. There are many systems that can perform a better job and there are many systems that are just all around better. Regardless it is better than nothing and is a necessity for certain Marine Corps units.
@franknbeans4761 "And you say it was made by scrap parts of jeeps? Well the jeep was originally made with scrap parts of cars and look how that turned out."
Cars aren't built like that anymore --- welcome to the disposable plastic generation.
@BlacktailDefense Actually the Growler is not made of disposable plastics. It uses some components of the Jeep but regardless the actual production of the vehicle uses new parts just the same design components. So what is wrong with that? I know it is not innovative but it can still do the required job and in the hands of skilled Marines can be used effectively.
@franknbeans4761 Are you sure it can do the job? The mobility on that thing sucks and off road it is an absolute liability. The fact that it flips over so easy is a requirement for it to be retired, no matter how great it is otherwise. You might as well have a 120mm mortar solo con ammunition and drop the jeep entirely. IMO it's better to have 2 underslung Humvees with 120mortar or M40 onboard. This POS is too trashy and expensive to keep.
@MingGuoLi Like I said in other comments, many other vehicles are better than it. But as for the vehicle itself in service, it can still be used successfully by light Force Recon units. And it can do the job and is only meant to roll right out of a CH-46E or V-22. And other vehicles like the DPV and others cannot fit inside and can only be slung underneath. When any vehicle is slung underneath a helicopter it severely limits the maneuverability of the aircraft.
@franknbeans4761 Well, I don't think we are going to agree. My point is that this vehicle is going to flip over like a tuna in the swamps. I rather sacrifice the helicopter's mobility, which wasn't great to start with, then sacrifice the EFSS's, as it won't be able to operate off roads at all.
If "it can still be" requires that you fight only in a certain way and with so many strings attached, I rather not fight with this thing at all since the liability is way bigger than the asset.
@dudejo Rae-Beck didn't find out about the double-cross until after the selection was made, but they DID report it to the media. It was covered on a news special titled, "Safety Second", which you can watch right here on Youtube.
you know what just occured to me a weasel has a "black tail" you know the little rodent that scoots around on the ground similar to a rat but slightly more coward like so her is a general FUCK YOU from the remainder of the united states patriots.
How does this anecdote disprove any of the claims that I made in this video?
Also, trolling someone for sounding the alarm with PROOF that government and contractor misconduct is taking place is as *unamerican* as you can get --- or are we living in a dictatorship now, where that's the norm?
The Wiesel is not only light enough to be lifted by a CH-53 or V-22, it's also small enough to fit inside --- google "Wiesel, CH-53" for many relevant photos.
All this, while offering a higher speed, lower ground pressure, more ground clearance, steel armor on all sides, tracked propulsion, a longer range, and NBC capability.
Then again, it's not like outperforming the Growler is all that *difficult*...
the main point is that the growler buggy carries a standart mortar while the wiesel has a computer aimed advanced mortar system that can fire smart ammo
u dont need to mount /dismount u can shoot and scoot
There are many designs in the east and west that are similar, but this is rarely due to espionage. Both sides encountered similar dilemmas in war planning, and inevitably sought similar solutions; and not always at the same time.
For example, the Hind had a US contemporary in development at almost the same time (the S-67), while the US plan to develop an IFV predated the BMP-1 by nearly 10 years.
Also, the basic design formula for what became the F-117 Nighthawk Stealth Fighter had actually been independently developed in the Soviet Union, but the VVS didn't think an arrowhead-shaped aircraft could fly, and they gave-up on it.
Lockheed-Martin came up with the same idea 20 years later, but in their case, US Fly-By-Wire technology was mature enough to make a flyable arrowhead-shaped aircraft possible. They developed the Have Blue program to try it out, and the rest is history.
The US had a big advantage when the built the F-117 and the B-2: after WW II they got the prototypes and the blueprints of the Horton Ho 229 during "Operation Paperclip", something the Soviets didn't have at all. With the introduction of Fly-by-Wire, they were ahead enough to finalize the wingbody aircraft program.
Check out Wikipedia for "Horten Ho 229". It's very interesting. :-)
Ir shouldn;t be funny because it's true; those entrusted to protect soldiers are incompetant. I feel bad for finding it funny, in a kind of black humour way. Well, good expose, keep up the good work.
I think the trials were just a ploy to find a new golf cart for the generals to use on weekend outings. >->
Honestly, if this goes into widespread usage, it'll only be a matter of time before the number of flags (there sure as hell won't be any remains) sent home becomes higher than what's "acceptable."
Taking-up arms against politicians is a little harsh. Exposing them to the public is more effective.
Also, expect soldiers returning to the states to start singing a different tune about the system as the years go by; the harshest and most vocal critics today of US policies in Vietnam are Vietnam Vets.
However given the grevious and shocking incompetence,greed in the American defence procurement industry ;its political administration and the total disregard for American servicemen,it is understandable.Have removed comment.
"...perhaps you should do a little more research. I assure you there is not a single "Jeep ( or any other used part) on this vehicle. This is a high tech vehicle designed to be able to fit on, and stay with in weight limits of the new Ospry. Next time tell the WHOLE story, and try using the truth too."
I've gathered all this information from stories on Soldiers For The Truth, Blogs, USA Today, and other publications from 2004 to 2008 (and there's a LOT of them).
Now go google, "Marines' New Ride Rolls Out Years Late", and look at how the Washington Post is trying to twist the truth behind this travesty.
There's a lotta flops out there, but very few look the part right outta the box. The "Growler" is one of those few.
And yeah, the original video was better, but what're you gonna do if YT doesn't want music up other than get the royalty-free junk? At least not on YOUR videos. Thousands of others are up for years collecting dust...
It says a lot about Youtube's priorities when a channel used exclusively for reporting get's banned for "Copyright Infringement", when THIS video is left untouched;
Pls check German's 30 years old Wiesel AWC, a CH-53 can fly 2 at a time, already available in anti-tank, mortar (120mm), fire support (20mm), air defense and personal carrier. Track and armored.
Can't wait to see your presentations on the Apache, F-22 and V-22 good job, but what are those guys thinking!!!! if the Humvee was a total death trap in combat now they want to go in a golf cart? that would be suicide and a 127k a pop? what are they made of titanium? I doubt it. Now I can imagine the abismal media and brainwashing that will make this caddy look as cool as the stryker or the apache does.
Speaking of "brainwashing", have a look at the Washington Post article, "Marines' New Ride Rolls Out Years Late".
It's full of all sorts of sophistries, omissions, and Red Herrings. For example, note that they fail to mention what kind of engine the Growler used to have, or ANY details on the Rae Beck alternative.
They also mention a Marine who works for GDLS, but did NOT mention the handy-work of General Catto; they don't so much as mention his name, even though he was the Project Manager!
I do have to say, the V-22 is becoming more and more successful. In Bold Alligator 2012, they sent a Marine company 165 miles inland.
Also, the British achieved great results with it in Afghanistan when using the Marine aircraft:
w w w . dailystar . co . uk/posts/view/234921/Osprey-attack-Our-Boys-in-a-deadly-swoop/
Sounds pretty successful to me.
franknbeans4761 2 weeks ago
@franknbeans4761 The cover story ALWAYS sounds impressive, but it seldom contains information on how the results were achieved. The "how" story is always the last thing to be reported, and is nearly always the result of a leak.
Case in point --- in order to deploy 274 AH-64 Apaches to Desert Shield, 300 others were grounded, to free-up enough resources for the rest to operate;
pogo(dot)org/pogo-files/reports/national-security/high-tech-weapons/ns-puav-19920701(dot)html#Apache
BlacktailDefense 2 weeks ago
@BlacktailDefense True, it just seems encouraging for foreign countries to be using it in combat and good results emerging. The British also used it in Bold Alligator in some parts of it too.
As for the Apache, true. I wish I knew more specific details about it, such as the needs, problems, pilot availability, etc. It is hard to say how those original Apaches are compared to say Block III Apaches. It's win over the Mi-28N in India is something to consider as well.
franknbeans4761 2 weeks ago
@franknbeans4761 The prognosis for the Block III Apaches isn't good. Even the original Apache was underpowered, and the Longbow piles-on more weight without increasing horsepower to compensate; contrast this with the Westland-Augusta Apache AH1, which weighs as much as an AH-64A, but has 4200hp instead of 3600hp --- and in spite of this, also twice the range.
BlacktailDefense 2 weeks ago
@BlacktailDefense I have read that the WAH-64D has 4,200hp while the AH-64D Block III has 4,000hp. Slightly less but not significantly. And you could consider the much larger unit cost of the WAH-64D.
But the upgrades in the Block III provide superior avionics and electronic suits than the WAH-64D.
That being said, it currently seems very effective. Especially in comparison to the Mi-28N as stated earlier.
franknbeans4761 2 weeks ago
@franknbeans4761
AH-64D better than Mi-28? Another joke from mr BEANs
MarshallJukov 2 weeks ago
@MarshallJukov I am not saying it is better, I am saying it beat the Mi-28N in the Indian tender by 20 counts. I am just relaying facts.
franknbeans4761 2 weeks ago
@franknbeans4761
Nobody seen those 20 counts actualy. It was better kick back, and/or AH-64 fit tasks Indians have better than Mi-28N which has sligntly different mission.
But technicaly Mi-28 totaly superion in everything like weaponry, protection, speed e t c while sensors could be on pair. In addition it can carry up to two passengers.
MarshallJukov 2 weeks ago
@MarshallJukov I would say that the Mi-28N just needs time to mature. It has A LOT of awesome characteristics that could make it one hell of a weapon, but it needs time to work out some of it's problems and "mature." Which is something that a lot of systems need.
I am very eager to see those 20 counts. Time will tell.
For India, the Apache seems like a safer bet, while over time, the Mi-28N will be significantly better.
franknbeans4761 2 weeks ago
@franknbeans4761
So does AH-64 Block III which is even more immature than Mi-28. In fact Mi-28 platform itself even older than AH-64
MarshallJukov 2 weeks ago
@franknbeans4761
Over time Indians will see AH-64 as a disaster, aspecialy in maintetance part
MarshallJukov 2 weeks ago
@MarshallJukov Well, the AH-64D still was able to go through more "trials" than the Mi-28. I would say it is probably better developed due to the amount of flight hours they built up, number produced, number of upgrades, and so on. As for it being a disaster, I will have to respectfully disagree, since many other countries used it well.
Maybe we should just leave it to agree to disagree?
franknbeans4761 2 weeks ago
@franknbeans4761
Thats because of well known events mass production of Mi-28 was largely delayed, and it was offered for export only fairly recently.
Fact that AH-64 is maintenance disaster second only to M1 Abrams is common knowlege.
While Mi-28 can be serviced by even conscripts supervised by one engineer, with nearly no infrastructure needed. Sweds confirm this fact, just as fact that Mi-28 is much more comfortable for piloting and weapons use.
MarshallJukov 2 weeks ago
@MarshallJukov I have some doubts on that. Many countries used the Apache successfully. Especially Israel.
Why do you say the piloting and weapons use are more comfortable for the Mi-28?
franknbeans4761 2 weeks ago
@franknbeans4761
No doubts about that, they used them just fine on sandmokeys with AKs and journalists.
Why i say that piloting and weapons use of Mi-28 is more comfortable? Because sweds told so after they had chance to examine it. Mi-28 is as reliable and easy to use as AK-47
MarshallJukov 2 weeks ago
@MarshallJukov Depends, maybe it is easier to use. I wouldn't doubt it given Russia's history.
As for the Israeli's, ha ha true. I was referring to countries like Israel, Britain, Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, Singapore, UAE, Kuwait, Japan, Netherlands, Greece, and Egypt not having large problems maintaining it.
franknbeans4761 2 weeks ago
@franknbeans4761
They HAVE problems maintaining it. They just have no alternatives in most cases. Everything is relative. When you an engineer or logistics officer and you try to service Mi-28 after Ah-64, you will never want to go back.
MarshallJukov 2 weeks ago
@MarshallJukov I am not saying the AH-64 is easier to maintain. Just that India won't have major problems with it.
That is all though.
franknbeans4761 2 weeks ago
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MarshallJukov 2 weeks ago
@franknbeans4761
Yeah 30 years ago they though they`ll never have problems with Arjun either. Time will show what kind of ball&chain they got.
MarshallJukov 2 weeks ago
@BlacktailDefense I recall tandem-engined Cobras of the Marine Corp. being faster than the original Apaches, is this true?
VickersIndependent 2 weeks ago
@VickersIndependent The AH-1Z uses 2 T700-GE-401C engines which give it a cruise speed of 296km/h while the AH-64 has a cruise speed of 265km/h. The AH-1Z is a remarkable aircraft but it has lesser degrees of effectiveness in certain areas due to it's lack of a mast mounted sight.
franknbeans4761 2 weeks ago
@franknbeans4761 I would also take anything the Indian military says with a grain of salt; recall the Denel and Bofors scandals, and the Arjun.
Also, this little gem; flightglobal(dot)com/blogs/the-dewline/2011/03/how-to-get-rafale-bribe-india(dot)html
BlacktailDefense 2 weeks ago
@BlacktailDefense Well, although that is true with the Arjun, I would have to say that the Rafale was much better than it's competitors, just as the Swiss recently found out too. But according to the Indian tender, the Apache was better on 20 counts. It seems hard to deny.
franknbeans4761 2 weeks ago
Good that we have the wiesel 1 for as an " expeditionary fire support system . You can fit two of then into an CH-53 , one with an 20mm auto cannon and one with an mg3 and tow , for example . From the point of firepower it comes close to an IFV and even their paper-amour is better than , well nothing by missing a door . Btw just read , looks like USA order 7 of then .
Rohrkrepierer88 2 weeks ago
@Rohrkrepierer88 That vehicle would have saved the 'Corps a LOT of sweat, blood, and money that was squandered on the Growler. It's not like they've never *heard* of the Wiesel before --- I've read about it in very old issues of Armor Magazine.
BlacktailDefense 2 weeks ago
What are your source materials for all of these claims?
TheLoyalOfficer 3 weeks ago
@TheLoyalOfficer My main source was a a couple of articles published by Soldiers For The Truth. Since SFTT cleaned-house a few years ago, the articles in question are no longer on their site, but copies can be found in internet forums;
leatherneck(dot)com/forums/showthread(dot)php?t=27703
militaryphotos(dot)net/forums/archive/index(dot)php/t-74187(dot)html
BlacktailDefense 3 weeks ago
@TheLoyalOfficer Additional info on the Growler can be found in these two Youtube videos;
watch?v=81NFmOob2mA
watch?v=YGGg9njci0M
Also, here is another one of my sources that I forgot to mention in my last comment;
usatoday(dot)com/news/washington/2005-12-28-corps-jeep_x(dot)htm
The cost of this vehicle is now far, far worse than when I first made this presentation, BTW;
washingtonpost(dot)com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/02/AR2009020202969(dot)html
BlacktailDefense 3 weeks ago
You know I was thinking of how the Marines could use the Growler when the could be using a simplified and stripped down Shadow RST-V.
VickersIndependent 3 weeks ago
@VickersIndependent It looks like a promising design. Considering that it's an all-original GDLS product, and not a hand-me-down Frankenstein from some company they absorbed, it's remarkable that they're selling Growlers instead of Shadows... unless the Growler is more profitable, that is.
BlacktailDefense 2 weeks ago
What was the name and company who made the good scout vehicle that lost to the growler?
astrialkil 3 weeks ago
@astrialkil The company was Rae-Beck Automotive. Their site, with information and photos of their "Badger" ITV, are located here; raebeckauto(dot)com/
You can tell just by *looking at it* that the Badger is better than the Growler.
BlacktailDefense 3 weeks ago
@BlacktailDefense Thank You !
astrialkil 3 weeks ago
why has the "team" who allowed this lump of crap to be taken up by the US armed forces not been ARRESTED?
it is clearly a case of BRIBERY and CORUPTION! they should be strung up by their knackers!
grahamkeithtodd 4 weeks ago
@grahamkeithtodd Bribery and corruption are what the Pentagon is all about. Read "About Face", by David Hackworth, "The Pentagon Wars: Reformers Challenge the Old Guard", by James G. Burton, "Bore Bucks, Less Bang: How the Pentagon buys Ineffective Weapons", by Dina Rasor.
Here's another enlightening book that you can read online;
american-buddha(dot)com/lit(dot)pentagonists(dot)toc(dot)htm
BlacktailDefense 4 weeks ago
@BlacktailDefense thanks old son i will check them out!
grahamkeithtodd 4 weeks ago
w w w . militaryphotos . net/forums/showthread . php?208104-Today-s-Photos-Tuesday-January-31st-2012/page2
In post number 17, what is the small, Growler sized vehicle that the Israeli's are using?
It doesn't seem smart to use a Growler type vehicle, that is actually inferior to it in many ways, with tanks.
franknbeans4761 4 weeks ago
@franknbeans4761 That could be the "Lizard" ATV used by the IDF (which weighs only 600kg), but I've never seen a photo of one, so I can't confirm this.
It would indeed be a VERY bad idea to use them alongside tanks (one wrong turn, and SCRUNCH), but IDF Armor and SOF units need to be prepared to cooperate on the battlefield.
It may seem inefficient to use a vehicle this small, but it's much faster than walking, and this one doesn't even PRETEND to be a Prime Mover.
BlacktailDefense 4 weeks ago
@BlacktailDefense It seems odd to think they would use that when clearing a simulated village/light settlement. Especially when they have plenty of modified Humvees that would probably be better, let alone M113's.
franknbeans4761 4 weeks ago
7:25 looks like flawed logic. If you show that even up-armored Hmmv can be blown up into pieces, this is rather a point for not using light armored vehicles, certainly not a valid logic to rant about the lack of doors in army's vehicle. Even if enemy soldier cannot say if the driver was smiling before being blown up (because it has doors), it doesn't makes the driver any safer, only less aware of surroundings because of lack of better view.
krbosak 1 month ago
V22 aside: Aerospatiale recently flew the fastest chopper available : it's a standard rotor with forward-facing props on stub wings added. Lots of speed and NO tiltrotor crap... check out recent Aviation Weeks for the article(s)
noponat666 1 month ago
@noponat666 I know of this type of aircraft; they're called "Compound Helicopters". It's not a new idea, with past examples including the AH-56 Cheyenne, S-66, Sikorsky S-72 RSRA, S-67 Blackhawk, XH-51, Piasecki Cobra, Piasecki Ringtail, Boeing-Vertol 347, and many others.
The new Eurocopter X3 seems even faster than these, but it's also about 18kts slower than the Sikorsky X2.
BlacktailDefense 1 month ago
Almost all of the examples at the end of the video are good systems that are widely used and very effective.
You make massive claims and always bite off more than you can chew. You need a therapist or something..
franknbeans4761 2 months ago
And what is wrong with the AH-64, yet another highly successful helicopter?
In an Indian helicopter tender, it beat out the Mi-28N in 20 counts. India ordered 22 of the aircraft. So come on.
franknbeans4761 2 months ago
Do you know how successful the Phalanx is? Are you serious? Do you know how widely used it is? You are just trying to look radical...
franknbeans4761 2 months ago
@franknbeans4761 Just because something is widely used doesn't mean it is good. The Phalanx has a VERY dismal record when it comes to destroying real threats. The USS Stark incident is a prime example, testimony afterwards revealed that the Phalanx couldn't run for more than a few hours before breaking down.
The Phalanx has never successfully intercepted a missile in combat. I would love for you to find such a situation.
Crosshair84 4 weeks ago
@Crosshair84 Yes and no. Relying on a 20mm weapon for close in defense is shady no matter what. It has been successful in Iraq when deployed on the ground intercepting mortar/rocket artillery. That is for sure.
But when considering it's lack of AShM's being launched at it, I could say that the Kashtan never successfully intercepted a missile in combat as well.
franknbeans4761 4 weeks ago
@franknbeans4761 well but the Kashtan has never seen combat (as far as i know) we can tell if its good or just a piece of junk. to this day we just know it looks cool
Pcordero87 2 weeks ago
@Pcordero87 Ha ha well it does look cool, but I am merely saying that the Phalanx saw minor combat, to nearly no combat. So saying it is bad because it hasn't stopped missiles would be kind of foolish.
However, the C-RAM has been successful in Iraq and the actual 20mm gun used in it has been very successful as well.
franknbeans4761 2 weeks ago
8:56.....How old are you?
franknbeans4761 2 months ago
And your image of the Humvee burning and yet again, trying to bash America is pathetic. Are you saying the Humvee is bad? With massive amounts being built and even tens of thousands being used by other countries? It has had unbelievable successes. Keep your Finnish biased beliefs to yourself.
franknbeans4761 2 months ago
A lot of your videos contain moronic arguments that you randomly find online with no credibility. Like with the $9,000 per gallon. It's ridiculous. You are seriously insane to pick and choose all the wrong facts in order to try to bring down everything American made or done.
franknbeans4761 2 months ago
Also, the mortar is made in the US. Not France. Get your facts straight.
franknbeans4761 2 months ago
I just can't believe you think the MUTT is bad. Over 100,000 were built and it's still in use all over the world. Not that it is good now, but it was great for many years when in service and still has it's uses today. The insanity.
franknbeans4761 2 months ago
What's wrong with the Apache? ...aside from the fact that it got shot down by an AK-47 while it was advertised as being able to withstand 23mm fire?
Hairysteed 2 months ago
M60 Patton is a beautiful tank they should put in service again. But your right. The growler is to expensive man! Bring back Willys jeep.
619sandiegoSD 4 months ago
An armored hummve costs about 180k do the math which one would u buy? Are people retards these days spending that much when I can go buy some wood and make my golfcart like that.
619sandiegoSD 4 months ago
@619sandiegoSD Actually, since I made this presentation, the Growler's unit cost has risen to more than $1 Million;
washingtonpost(dot)com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/02/AR2009020202969(dot)html
That's about the same unit cost as an M60A3 Patton, BTW.
BlacktailDefense 4 months ago
As for the V-22, look at this:
defensetech(.)org/2011/09/23/the-cv-22s-800-mile-afghan-csar-mission/
And this:
usfleetforces(.)blogspot(.)com/2011/09/bold-alligator-2012-update(.)html
Is there any other aircraft capable of these missions? No way.
Don't base an aircraft solely on it's development. I don't think any other aircraft in the world would be capable of doing those missions.
Certainly much more different than an anvil like you have it portrayed here.
franknbeans4761 5 months ago
@franknbeans4761 Regarding the CSAR mission, I have a hard time swallowing the claims made of the V-22's performance for a number of reasons. For one, it's not pressurized --- the crew's use of oxygen masks (a crutch) highlights this Achilles Heel;
g2mil(.)com/v-22struggles(.)htm
For another, V-22s are also incapable of flying over 350nm unless they fly at extreme speeds and altitudes;
rusi(.)org/downloads/assets/Leishman_0207_RDS(.)pdf
BlacktailDefense 5 months ago
@BlacktailDefense I overlooked your other comment. The V-22 did fully complete that CSAR mission. You can look up any article on it. It is a fact. And it's missions like that that make it so valuable. Don't judge it by it's disastrous development. It is a great improvement over the CH-46.
franknbeans4761 3 months ago
@BlacktailDefense But on top of that, it was going to rescue special operations soldiers. The V-22 flew over 15,000 ft mountains and due to the nature of the troops being picked up, I would fully imagine they had oxygen available to them, or they just took another route on the way back. The pilots certainly have oxygen available to them. But regardless, the V-22 is without a doubt faster than almost any other CSAR aircraft.
franknbeans4761 3 months ago
@franknbeans4761 The blog post on Bold Alligator makes no references to the V-22.
BlacktailDefense 5 months ago
@BlacktailDefense Yeah, I fucked that up. There was another article that referenced a Marine Company being inserted in the operation from a range of 150 miles. That was my bad.
franknbeans4761 5 months ago
Wait a minute, we are actually buying this POS???!!! How old is the Crowne family again???
I've got people who always mention that the US will pound anyone's loins... As an Asian, I always was skeptical. The sea is a sea, no matter how much amphibious forces there is. The Stryker only reinforced the idea, but this is giving me the chills. And how KIAing dare they waste the money like that. They are the #1 reason for our recession, not the housing market.
MingGuoLi 6 months ago
wut da eff? 127200 for all that?! Dam, I am glad I got my POS Chrysler and KIA Kia!!! And I thought I got ripped....
MingGuoLi 6 months ago
@MingGuoLi The Growler is even worse now --- since 2007 when I first assembled this slide-show, the Growler's Unit Cost has exploded to over $1 Million.
BlacktailDefense 6 months ago
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Flugabwehrkanone 6 months ago
@BlacktailDefense LMFAO you've gotta be fuckin' kidding me. A price tag that's bigger than those on some MBTs for a glorified Jeep! I know the MICC is wasteful, but this blows the $350 manual screwdrivers out of the water.
Flugabwehrkanone 6 months ago
@Flugabwehrkanone I'm not kidding you --- give this little gem a read;
washingtonpost(dot)com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/02/AR2009020202969(dot)html
And that was way back in '09, when they only cost $1.078 Million. More money has been injected into the Growler/ITV since then.
BlacktailDefense 6 months ago
It amazes me how Americans would actually waste so much money on a jeep that doesn't work all so it can have a pseudo air mech strike, and the worst part is that secondhand BMDs are probably cheaper,definatly safer, then this.
VickersIndependent 7 months ago
@VickersIndependent Remember that this is also in limited use, the CH-53E is capable of transporting 2 Humvees slung under the aircraft. The USMC is not mean to be an all mechanized force. Look at the composition of MEUs, Expeditionary Brigades, and even the basic Marine battalion of a Marine Division. They use LAVs, AAV-7s, Abrams tanks, and Humvees. This vehicle is more so in use with Force Recon Marines. But regardless you are right when you say it wasted money.
franknbeans4761 7 months ago
And you had a picture of a V-22 crashed? Are you honestly saying the V-22 is bad? It had many accidents during its development but as of right now it is a completely modern aircraft. It is probably the best air assault aircraft in the world and it's capabilities cannot be matched.
franknbeans4761 7 months ago
@franknbeans4761 "And you had a picture of a V-22 crashed? Are you honestly saying the V-22 is bad?"
You couldn't even BEGIN to imagine...
BlacktailDefense 7 months ago
@BlacktailDefense How is the current vehicle bad? It has such a long range, maneuverability, and is capable of landing in almost any terrain. It is probably one of the biggest leaps in rotary aircraft in the last 20 to 30 years. It will give far more possibilities to Marine Expeditionary Forces and Air Force Search and Rescue teams.
franknbeans4761 7 months ago
@franknbeans4761 How is the current vehicle bad?
Read-up;
g2mil(dot)com/scandal(dot)htm
BlacktailDefense 7 months ago
@BlacktailDefense Yes, the aircraft had a very rocky beginning, especially when compared to other US projects. But the US did realize that it is an excellent concept to have an aircraft like this so they kept testing. There were many deaths but regardless the aircraft that is in use today has an unbelievable range for a VTOL transport, a great top speed, and a good payload for it's size and capabilities. An aircraft with it's range, speed, and VTOL abilities is not comparable.
franknbeans4761 7 months ago
The Growler is still a light vehicle that can provide irreplaceable mobility to forces sent behind enemy lines by means of Osprey or CH-53E and works together with the towed mortar. Also, it is a great little vehicle for Force Recon units. And you say it was made by scrap parts of jeeps? Well the jeep was originally made with scrap parts of cars and look how that turned out.
franknbeans4761 7 months ago
@franknbeans4761 "The Growler is still a light vehicle that can provide irreplaceable mobility to forces sent behind enemy lines by means of Osprey or CH-53E and works together with the towed mortar."
Wow, you're such a total tool, you even defend the Growler!
BlacktailDefense 7 months ago
@BlacktailDefense As for the Growler, I am presenting an argument for it's validity on the battlefield. There are many systems that can perform a better job and there are many systems that are just all around better. Regardless it is better than nothing and is a necessity for certain Marine Corps units.
franknbeans4761 7 months ago
@franknbeans4761 "And you say it was made by scrap parts of jeeps? Well the jeep was originally made with scrap parts of cars and look how that turned out."
Cars aren't built like that anymore --- welcome to the disposable plastic generation.
BlacktailDefense 7 months ago
@BlacktailDefense Actually the Growler is not made of disposable plastics. It uses some components of the Jeep but regardless the actual production of the vehicle uses new parts just the same design components. So what is wrong with that? I know it is not innovative but it can still do the required job and in the hands of skilled Marines can be used effectively.
franknbeans4761 7 months ago
@franknbeans4761 Are you sure it can do the job? The mobility on that thing sucks and off road it is an absolute liability. The fact that it flips over so easy is a requirement for it to be retired, no matter how great it is otherwise. You might as well have a 120mm mortar solo con ammunition and drop the jeep entirely. IMO it's better to have 2 underslung Humvees with 120mortar or M40 onboard. This POS is too trashy and expensive to keep.
MingGuoLi 6 months ago
@MingGuoLi Like I said in other comments, many other vehicles are better than it. But as for the vehicle itself in service, it can still be used successfully by light Force Recon units. And it can do the job and is only meant to roll right out of a CH-46E or V-22. And other vehicles like the DPV and others cannot fit inside and can only be slung underneath. When any vehicle is slung underneath a helicopter it severely limits the maneuverability of the aircraft.
franknbeans4761 6 months ago
@franknbeans4761 Well, I don't think we are going to agree. My point is that this vehicle is going to flip over like a tuna in the swamps. I rather sacrifice the helicopter's mobility, which wasn't great to start with, then sacrifice the EFSS's, as it won't be able to operate off roads at all.
If "it can still be" requires that you fight only in a certain way and with so many strings attached, I rather not fight with this thing at all since the liability is way bigger than the asset.
MingGuoLi 6 months ago
it's too bad the Growler's rival designers didn't just pull-out from that rigged farce of a competition and denounced everything in the media.
dudejo 7 months ago
@dudejo Rae-Beck didn't find out about the double-cross until after the selection was made, but they DID report it to the media. It was covered on a news special titled, "Safety Second", which you can watch right here on Youtube.
Here's Part 1: watch?v=81NFmOob2mA
...and Part 2: watch?v=YGGg9njci0M
BlacktailDefense 7 months ago
you know what just occured to me a weasel has a "black tail" you know the little rodent that scoots around on the ground similar to a rat but slightly more coward like so her is a general FUCK YOU from the remainder of the united states patriots.
PACKMULE14 11 months ago
@PACKMULE14
How does this anecdote disprove any of the claims that I made in this video?
Also, trolling someone for sounding the alarm with PROOF that government and contractor misconduct is taking place is as *unamerican* as you can get --- or are we living in a dictatorship now, where that's the norm?
BlacktailDefense 11 months ago
loklkll
ElastasticParadise 1 year ago
they should buy mortar wiesels they could do the same
minionator1 1 year ago
@minionator1
That's been proposed, but it fell upon deaf ears.
The Wiesel is not only light enough to be lifted by a CH-53 or V-22, it's also small enough to fit inside --- google "Wiesel, CH-53" for many relevant photos.
All this, while offering a higher speed, lower ground pressure, more ground clearance, steel armor on all sides, tracked propulsion, a longer range, and NBC capability.
Then again, it's not like outperforming the Growler is all that *difficult*...
BlacktailDefense 1 year ago
@BlacktailDefense
the main point is that the growler buggy carries a standart mortar while the wiesel has a computer aimed advanced mortar system that can fire smart ammo
u dont need to mount /dismount u can shoot and scoot
mobility>firepower>all the other stuff
minionator1 1 year ago
find it interesting that many russian designs are copied by american companies, hind, bmp, etc.
tengu190 1 year ago
@tengu190
There are many designs in the east and west that are similar, but this is rarely due to espionage. Both sides encountered similar dilemmas in war planning, and inevitably sought similar solutions; and not always at the same time.
For example, the Hind had a US contemporary in development at almost the same time (the S-67), while the US plan to develop an IFV predated the BMP-1 by nearly 10 years.
BlacktailDefense 1 year ago
@tengu190
Also, the basic design formula for what became the F-117 Nighthawk Stealth Fighter had actually been independently developed in the Soviet Union, but the VVS didn't think an arrowhead-shaped aircraft could fly, and they gave-up on it.
Lockheed-Martin came up with the same idea 20 years later, but in their case, US Fly-By-Wire technology was mature enough to make a flyable arrowhead-shaped aircraft possible. They developed the Have Blue program to try it out, and the rest is history.
BlacktailDefense 1 year ago
@BlacktailDefense
The US had a big advantage when the built the F-117 and the B-2: after WW II they got the prototypes and the blueprints of the Horton Ho 229 during "Operation Paperclip", something the Soviets didn't have at all. With the introduction of Fly-by-Wire, they were ahead enough to finalize the wingbody aircraft program.
Check out Wikipedia for "Horten Ho 229". It's very interesting. :-)
44WarmocK77 1 year ago
Ir shouldn;t be funny because it's true; those entrusted to protect soldiers are incompetant. I feel bad for finding it funny, in a kind of black humour way. Well, good expose, keep up the good work.
Ag3nt0fCha0s 1 year ago
I think the trials were just a ploy to find a new golf cart for the generals to use on weekend outings. >->
Honestly, if this goes into widespread usage, it'll only be a matter of time before the number of flags (there sure as hell won't be any remains) sent home becomes higher than what's "acceptable."
LupisLupine 1 year ago
"I think the trials were just a ploy to find a new golf cart for the generals to use on weekend outings. >->"
Let's HOPE that's all they end up being...
BlacktailDefense 1 year ago
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drfan2004 1 year ago
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drfan2004 1 year ago
Taking-up arms against politicians is a little harsh. Exposing them to the public is more effective.
Also, expect soldiers returning to the states to start singing a different tune about the system as the years go by; the harshest and most vocal critics today of US policies in Vietnam are Vietnam Vets.
BlacktailDefense 1 year ago
Apologies.
However given the grevious and shocking incompetence,greed in the American defence procurement industry ;its political administration and the total disregard for American servicemen,it is understandable.Have removed comment.
drfan2004 1 year ago
dlr71mi said earlier;
"...perhaps you should do a little more research. I assure you there is not a single "Jeep ( or any other used part) on this vehicle. This is a high tech vehicle designed to be able to fit on, and stay with in weight limits of the new Ospry. Next time tell the WHOLE story, and try using the truth too."
It's no wonder he decided to remove his comment.
BlacktailDefense 2 years ago
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dlr71mi 2 years ago
Good work. I did not know of this vehicle. :P
380800 2 years ago
It's a real piece, isn't it?
I've gathered all this information from stories on Soldiers For The Truth, Blogs, USA Today, and other publications from 2004 to 2008 (and there's a LOT of them).
Now go google, "Marines' New Ride Rolls Out Years Late", and look at how the Washington Post is trying to twist the truth behind this travesty.
BlacktailDefense 2 years ago
Here is the Channel 7 WXYZ footage of this:
watch?v=81NFmOob2mA
ayaieao 2 years ago
and part two:
watch?v=YGGg9njci0M
ayaieao 2 years ago
Thanks for posting that report --- it's VERY revealing!
BlacktailDefense 2 years ago
There's a lotta flops out there, but very few look the part right outta the box. The "Growler" is one of those few.
And yeah, the original video was better, but what're you gonna do if YT doesn't want music up other than get the royalty-free junk? At least not on YOUR videos. Thousands of others are up for years collecting dust...
DemonHide 2 years ago
The funny thing is, there already WAS a small, Jeep-based Prime Mover in the US military, a couple of decades ago; the M422 Mighty Mite.
It was much better-suited for this job too, and didn't cost $127000;
oramagazine(dot)com/pastIssues/0509-issue/050910d-old-iron(dot)html
Talk about re-inventing the wheel...
It says a lot about Youtube's priorities when a channel used exclusively for reporting get's banned for "Copyright Infringement", when THIS video is left untouched;
watch?v=E1WUMRgbPR0
BlacktailDefense 2 years ago
Pls check German's 30 years old Wiesel AWC, a CH-53 can fly 2 at a time, already available in anti-tank, mortar (120mm), fire support (20mm), air defense and personal carrier. Track and armored.
HMSBeagle200 2 years ago
Indeed, the Wiesel has been available since the 1980s, and was trialed by the US Army for over a decade.
Even the V-22 Osprey, for all it's failings, has demonstrated the ability to carry the equivalent weight of a Wiesel.
Even the wheeled vehicle offered by Rae Beck performs better than the Growler, and it's half the price and all-American.
It carries the mortar, all the ammo originally required, an M2HB, and met all EFSS performance requirements; plus, it had doors, windows, and ARMOR.
BlacktailDefense 2 years ago
Can't wait to see your presentations on the Apache, F-22 and V-22 good job, but what are those guys thinking!!!! if the Humvee was a total death trap in combat now they want to go in a golf cart? that would be suicide and a 127k a pop? what are they made of titanium? I doubt it. Now I can imagine the abismal media and brainwashing that will make this caddy look as cool as the stryker or the apache does.
Panzerfaust111 2 years ago
I've got a lot of dirt on the Apache, but not enough for a presentation yet.
As for the F-22, that's going to be a REAL challenge, since my focus so far has been on ground vehicles.
Where the V-22 is concerned, there's already a LOT of problems with it that have all been amassed in one location on the 'Net;
g2mil(dot)com/scandal(dot)htm
BlacktailDefense 2 years ago
Speaking of "brainwashing", have a look at the Washington Post article, "Marines' New Ride Rolls Out Years Late".
It's full of all sorts of sophistries, omissions, and Red Herrings. For example, note that they fail to mention what kind of engine the Growler used to have, or ANY details on the Rae Beck alternative.
They also mention a Marine who works for GDLS, but did NOT mention the handy-work of General Catto; they don't so much as mention his name, even though he was the Project Manager!
BlacktailDefense 2 years ago