Well la dee da. dm40 you are misinformed. Fighters are martial artists whether they embrace that fact or not. Martial arts (according to wikipedia) are systems of codified (arranged) practices and traditions of combat. The term 'martial' (merriam-webster )means suited for war or a warrior. So can we say that fighters are warriors who adhere to specific traditions while preparing or engaging in a fight?
@karatemikepatolino Mike, I understand what you are saying, and I agree to a point. Let me clarify what I am saying.. the guys who train in an art like Muay Thai, Karate, Judo, BJJ, JKD, etc, and learn the ENTIRE art over a period of years, and also compete in MMA are definitely considered martial artists. My opinion of the guy I consider just a fighter is the guy who learns just enough wrestling, stand-up, and submissions to "get by" in the cage successfully, are not martial artists.
@dm40 in the purest sense of the word.. thast what I meant.. I have HUGE respect for the fighters, as I said, they are superiorly conditioned for the most part, and have proven that aliveness and resistance in training is the way to truly learn to fight for martial artists all over the world.. Gone are the days of the "master" whose techniques are too deadly to be demonstrated.. What works against a truly resisting opponent is the true test of effectiveness.
@dm40 I agree. I highly dislike the new tapout promos of teaching kids mma. I have found in my research and my training (I'm a karate teacher who has had a successful transfer to mma fighting). That a person needs the discipline and skills achieved from years of perfecting a particular martial art instead of taking on all at one time. Plus it has been easier for me to understand Muay Thai, Jits, and Judo because of my karate training.
@Bigant55 - disagree 100% kids are like sponges, they retain everything immediately. they take 8 courses a day in school, take extra curricular activities after school, some also play hockey, golf, soccer, baseball, music.. some do it all. Don't be biased because your main discipline is Karate.Kids can and will do it all and are the future of mma.it must of been hard for you to realize after training Karate for all those years that your training could be nullified by a bjj fighter very quickly.
@CaptainHighTop first off only if I get sucked into the bjj game thats were angles and spacing come in handy. But my biggest issue is the discipline that traditional martial arts as a WHOLE is teaching that is lacking representation in mma. Now you take world class mma guys today, 90% have a background in a TMA. Liddell, Machida, GSP, etc. all started in karate.I dont care if its boxing, wrestling, etc. It.s like teaching a child to read you don't just hand them 10 diff. books. You star A.B.C.
@Bigant55 I agree, As Sifu Inosanto has said many times, anyone regardless of age can learn different arts at the same time. Just like learning Math, Science, Reading, English, etc, you go to school to learn different subjects, you just learn them separately at different times. Same idea here, I teach my godsons privately, one session we work Muay thai, and Boxing, and the next session we train BJJ, Shooto, and Wrestling, and then at times we work on Filipino Martial Arts & JKD.
@Bigant55 karate is so different to combat sports that it would take time to unlearn the karate techs and tactics .The speed and reflexes picked up with karate would help you in any style.I did 16 yrs tkd then switched to muay thai and ID have been better never having done the tkd,1 yaer of boxing and i was destroying the other tkd black belts.The methods are so much better .
MMA is EFFECTIVE, and the Athletes and superiorly conditioned. That is a given, but with a few exceptions, they are not martial artists they are FIGHTERs who USE martial arts to their advantage is a SPORT. MMA is a synthesis of the most effective aspects of various martial arts MIXED together to make an exciting and tough sport. I LOVE the sport of MMA, but I realize that the Martial Arts world is MUCH more than MMA.
I agree w/dm40. MMA is a sport comprised of THE SPORTIVE ASPECTS of quite effective traditional martial arts: boxing,kickboxing,wrestling,jiujitsu,and more and more now: judo and karate. Nobody would mistake say FLOYD MAYWEATHER for say BRUCE LEE or BROCK for Korean ROK specops.All share h2h skill,but the code of honor,nonsport combat,healing knowledge,etc. isn't mandatory in MMA but in performance oriented TMA it IS mandatory.
your right i dont know you and ya mma is a combanation of all martial arts put together, i really dont consider mma as a sport because you dont play fight ya you play basketball you play baseball but we dont play fight. As the more popular mma gets its turning into a martial art as itself, when you ask most people nowadays what martial art you want to train in 9 out of 10 times you will get the answer mma
if you were a true martial artist you would love mma because you would love the talent that it takes to be in mma there are people that come in the cage thinking any guy off the street can do that and they try it ans we see what happens to them i train i fight and i know the talent that it takes to be an mma fighter not just wild punching and rolling on the ground its like chess when you get 2 good guys on the ground one move leads into another
@fratto1 continued... I DO love MMA but its not an Art unto itself, its a SPORT made up of various martial arts that are highly effective in therir own right. What makes MMA special is the blending of these arts into a sport, that also requires a superior level of conditioning. What I am saying in the last few posts is that a lot of guys have only ever studied MMA and from their limited perspective, they see MMA as the only thing of value out there
@fratto1 My point is that they need to realize that just because they can't use it in the cage per say, that is has value.. MMA is just one facet fo what I do..
Brock Lesnar has no respect for his opponents, by his own admission, and Greg Nelson's and ECW are the guys who have created this monster. Josh Barnett vs Brock Lesnar.
::Yawn:: Boxing is an art of fighting with your hands. Along with BJJ it's the base of MMA. It's not dying, it's not going to be "obsolete in 10 years" and its going to be just fine. MMA needs boxing. Boxing doesn't need MMA, it was fine without it and it will be fine with it. End of story.
Stop yawning, pay attention and you MAY learn something.. MMA is a SPORT made up of 4 main arts.. Muay Thai and Boxing for standup, and Wrestling and BJJ for ground.. There are other lesser known arts that are in there, that you could not distinguish from the others.. Shooto, CSW, Sambo, Judo, etc. to name a few..
Shooto predates the UFC as an organization and the art goes back to roughly 1985. Started by Sayama in Japan
Boxing has its place as does MMA.. Respect BOTH...
I like both sports though I do favor boxing. I'm yawning at the fact that people are still saying "boxing is dying" "because of MMA, boxing will be obsolete" And one from 'Joke' Joe Rogan "because of MMA there will never be another boxing superstar again after the currents retire".
DUDE give me a break! You MMA people think you know everything... Meanwhile the sport is mostly composed of guys with lackluster skills that throw haymakers or roll around on the ground hugging.
Hey, I just reread your comments and I agree with your yawn.. and for the record I am NOT an MMA person, I am a MARTIAL ARTIST first and I love MMA, but its just a facet of what i do.. in that sense, maybe you and I are more alike than I originally thought.. Boxing and wrestling are martial arts as well.. people sometimes get MMA blind, and think its the be all and end all of combat and its not..
Oh.. and by the way, I agree completely.. with a few exceptions, MOST averge MMA guys are a jack of all trades and master of none.. not to say they are not skilled, but give me a fighter with a level 3 Instructorship in Muay thai, a black belt in BJJ, a colegiate level wrestling background and the nads of a boxer like Cotta or Jones or Mayweather, and THAT is a complete fighter in my not so humble opinion..
I'm not talking about his fight with Fedor Emelianenko I'm talking about his fight with that Rogers guy. Although I think he had a good chance to beat Fedor until he got careless. I'm talking about him in his prime anyway. Back when he was the UFC Heavyweight Champion.
God Sherk's fast...i remember once seeing him spar with Nick Thompson, holy shit...it made me realize how small i am hhahaha, cuz both Sherk and Nick were fucking HUGE! Hope Sherk wins his fight against Edgar though, i wanna see him get another title shot!
Also...just to make things clear....I'm not some MMA nuthugger....But i can't ignore the contribution MMA has given to ALL forms of fighting whether it be sport or combat. And the things that an MMA fighter will learn are going to be more comprehensive than what is required for street fighting, in sticking with the "simple is best" theme....for example you wouldnt need to use a gogoplata or flying arbar on the street, because if you were on your back ppl dont know how to defend triangles anyway
You and I are probably a lot closer in opinion than you may think.. I fully agree that MMA put the lie to a LOT of things in martial arts, but MMA is nothing more than a combination of 4 of the most effective martial arts out there... the MAIn thing in my opinion, is that it puts the lie to the mystical BS that people try to push off on the uninformed...
MMA was/is also about finding the "truth" in regards to fighting. If you show a person an MMA fight, they immediately recall "street fights". Standing and exchanging blow for blow without grappling is NOT natural human behaviour, because naturally we clinch for protection or because of fatigue, etc. Even UNTRAINED people go for tackles if they're being outpunched...Certain elements of boxing are a little irrelevant to "fighting" as they are to "boxing", so why learn something you don't need?
MMA is NOT a style, it is a SPORT, with RULES, and LIMITATIONS... I Love MMA, but lets not confuse it with real fighting..
MMA did ONE thing in my opinion, it showed that the days of the beer bellied master who proclaimed his art was 'too deadly" to demonstrate is over..
MMA fighters in most cases are NOT martial artists in the purest sense, they are superiorly conditioned athletes who compete under a set of rules in what is arguably the most devastating combat sport.
MMA is made up of 5 elements, and you need all of them to be a complete fighter..
BOXING, MUAY THAI, WRESTLING, BJJ.. that is 4.. the 5th element in my opinion, is ANYTHING else that you can bring to the table to make you successful... Other arts, conditioning, weight training, cardio, etc..
hm yeah, i agree to an extent However, i believe the MMA method's hands down the best unnarmed method out there....eye gouges are easy....MMA is all about real substantial skills.
by "real fighting" i assume you mean being attacked by weapons or by more than one person? if so then Yes, i agree with you totally, and believe the strategy to combat these things is totally different than MMA. but...just because someone "knows" dangerous techniques, IMO doesn't give the advantage that MMA would give
Good old Master Greg Nelson, I had the pleasure and honor to recieve his training years ago and this dude is too crucial. Was always fun to watch my big Football D linemen buddies get put into precarious submissions by this 5'6 or so dynamo. Thanks for the memories and skills Mr. Nelson.
what happens when a boxer thinks a jab is coming...?
throw the jab+faint the striaght right or left and bring up the rear foot to meet the 'ducking=bob'. If you think this doesnt work..ok (?if B.Lee didnt incorporate bob&weave...why not?)cause its a flaw in universal fighting...
further the whole time the pad man is not backing up and then tells the hitter to shoot!!? ok its a drill...like breaking boards.
most of these drills are for rule fighting...but still
See, it's still the "but still". This just gives you one more thing to use (even if it does fail), and yes, you are right of what could happen. It's still situational and that won't always happen. And are you saying that Bruce Lee didn't incorporate it or that he did?
thats where he will be after my straight right jab...(EVERYTIME...cause he trains that move as you can note). My left foot this time to side of his head off a jab + faint left...and his head will be there everytime...
Greg's focus mitt drills are the best in the business for MMA, you can take almost any boxing combination, and add the MMA elements at the end, and it makes the drills very alive.. As you see here, Greg is combining a jab, Cross, uppercut combination with a wrestling/mma shot, and Sean is one of the best out there..
Floyd Mayweather, in a cage, would get dropped on his head and rolled up into knots. In the same way, the best strikers in mma would get lit up like a Christmas tree against the best boxers in the world when in a square circle. All this is to say that we can co-exist. boxing and mma are two very different sports with two different types of athletes on their respective thrones.
Greg is one of the BEST guys out their at MMA focus mitt drills.. they have a different feel than straight boxing combos.. I highly recommend this DVD set, and if you get the chance to attend a seminar with Greg, take it..
I cant believe that this debate still goes on. Yes, boxing alone in MMA will lead to a butt kicking. But so will wrestling alone, and Jiu Jitsu. You NEED to cross train. Three things you need for MMA, good strikes, takedown or takedown defense, and submission. So boxing and Judo would go well, Muay Thai and Sambo. Whatever.... stop aruging about this stuff, it sounds lame.
B. J. Penn, Fedor Emelianenko, and Rampage Jackson all just use boxing for their standup. And they have some of the best standup in all of MMA! Boxing is one of the dominant arts in mixed martial arts.
also klitchko who nearly beat lennox lewis ..in his early years entered a mixed style comp and got k.o for nearly a minuet in the first round by a turning back kick by a coloured english based fighter who was based in london , and he aint even a big name boxing only rearly works against boxing if both mma and boxer are equally matched then boxer will lose 80 % of the time !!!
Jacobhoward56 who knows nothing in the early years of ufc many boxers entered and got owned as they only use there hands jeez man educate urself , i do freestyle martial arts and boxing and if i used my mma traing at the boxing gym id own them u fool also on the street .
fact if boxing is so good why dont the elite special forces use it ghukers , sas , etc becouse martial arts e.g krav maga , sas , systema , own in pressered no rule situations , boxing sport only .
Boxing and MMA are 2 totally different games. Boxing in a boxing match and boxing in MMA are totally different. Imagine how much Mayweather would have to change his style to keep from getting taken down or kicked. Its totally different. Try it sometime. Box in a normal boxing match, and then try to do the same thing with someone shooting on you and kicking the fuck out of your legs.
actually if you put mike tyson against a ufc heavyweight champion the champion would whip his ass BUT if you put the champion strictly in a boxing ring mike tyson would put his hand through the other guys head.
Quit hating cuz youd get dumped on your head by a wrestler LOL. I like boxing and all aspects of MMA, I dont bash other peoples styles just cuz Im not good at it.
That was my point.. the term "World Class" is WAY overused.. Anyone can look awesome on the pads.. it takes a lot more skill to apply that level of skill in a fight...
You ar ea fucking idiot. some of the best what ? nothing. Nothing at all. Mike tyson would have tore ufc up no problem. Any boxer would TEAR UP UFC , Bunch of boxers who couldnt make it.
Just another boxer in denial. You can get as mad as you like. But the facts don't lie. Boxers who are not trained in the other disciplines have been worked in MMA. Boxing is an integral part of what we do which is why I employ a boxing coach for my guys. As well as a wrestling coach, ju jitsu instructors, and Muay Thai coaches
And just so you know MMAA stands for Minnesota Martial Arts Academy. I was not talking about MMA in my original post. Guess you have been knocked around in sparring too much. That would explain your inability to debate in a civilized manner. Name calling is always easier than trying to make your point intelligently. I would expect no less from the boxing community. Sorry about you losing 90% of your fan base to a second rate combat sport also. Idiot.....
No boxer would last in the UFC, I'd love to see GSP knock the fuck out of floyd mayweather. GSP would get the takedown and land some nice elbows like he did on sherk, boxing sucks, I use to be a boxer but but switched to MMA because you really need to know every aspect of fighting, not just punching. Boxing is boring to watch, 12 rounds then a decision. meh. gay.
I saw this former pro boxer and coach at Tommys gym in Costa Mesa California knock out a guy who was a brown belt with the Machados. the guy did an amazing feint, a hyper fast shot, the coach just slid and pivoted and hit that guy about 3 times in the face (with gloves) before he went down, all of this in about 2 seconds. I was impressed.
Mixed Martial artists are by far the tuffest people on the planet and would kick the S*%T out of any other single disiplne combat athlete in a no rules comp any day of the week.
The only way to test disciplines against each other is to have no rules, any thing goes matches, ie street fighting, which I think would give a GOOD M.M.A fighter the edge, however many boxers do crosstrain, also some are knockout specialists.
A heavy weight boxer may only need to hit a lightweight MMA fighter once, end of, same way a strong MMA fighter may break your leg with one kick, end of. it would not be the discipline but the individual fighter that would be put to the test.
For confidence building and endurance this is a great "workout". I'm sure the trainer will say ... later, that an opponent in a tournament fight will move away from you and keep you in their striking distance. Yes a very good technique, but show all the facets. And also it takes at least 2-3 years of training to be a reasonable fighter.
You're right, and I'm sorry for stereotyping all MMA fighters. I think I'm trying to focus more on Sherk himself, as this video is his trainer.
Now, as we all know, the on-the-ground method is Sherk's forte with all the shoot to takedowns he does.
But I've seen the man fight only hands before.
And he's really good. Haha.
So yes, kickbox, you're right. The story may not be true for all MMA fighters. I'm just sayin Sherk is damn awesome at mainly hands too. Have a good one.
dude how can u say that boxers have nothing against mma fighters. not all mma fighters are great boxers, some mma fighters are better ground fighters. im not downing mma because i fight mma. how could u say that delahoya would lose against sean sherk, as far as i know theyve never faught. maybe ur the one thats so wrong.
You have to realize the mental game though too. When your fighting mma you have to worry about everything from kicks, elbows, knees, plus being taken down then totally changing your mental game once your down there. But if your in a straight up boxing match the game kind of in a weird way becomes easier, because your focusing on just one area of what you train in. Which of course doesn't mean that an mma fighter still won't get knocked the fuck out.
Sherk has shown very good boxing skills all through his career. He is very quick and throws solid combinations and also he keeps his hands up around his head for a great defense. He is very quick but dosn't have the reach so, he is often unable to use it. However he did outstrike Diaz in their fight and he did suprisingly well for a while with GSP.
He alternates gloves and no gloves, and in the DVD set he wears the gloves most of the time.. And Sean walks around at around 170-75 before a fight.. His hand speed is evident..
oa666 fair enough, but Sherk has 13 years of boxing training.. i think a lot of boxers are overratted as well, there only a few TOP boxers that have that kind of precision, Mayweather, DeLahoya, Cotto, and a few others that don't come to mind right now.. And YES I agree that if Sherk tried to BOX one of them, he would more than likely get outpointed, but I don't see him getting KOd .. That is why i hate the comparison between the two sports
roflmao oh my wtf are we talkin about over here..although i do beleive mma fighters are the best overall fighters in the world..saying or even implying that sean sherk could hold his own against mayweather cotto,delahoya in a boxing match is pure ignorance..that fight would go about 2 rounds if that long bye boxing standards mma stand-up is sloppy mediocore at best come on now lets b 4 real!
"Who says MMA fighters don't have the skills of a world class boxer"
sherk is a great fighter, would slam mayweather to the ground and pound him bloody, but his skills dont compare to even a mediocre boxer in terms of punching. no disrespect to sherk, just arguing to inaccuracy of your opening statement
Dude, you can be a world class boxer without being the pound-for-pound greatest boxer in the world. The very fact that you feel compelled to compare Sherk to Mayweather is evidence enough that Sherk could definately be a world class boxer. Be reasonable man.
This is from the DVD set from paulson's 2005 CSW Camp at the inosanto Academy.. I highly suggest his stuff, Paulson is a wizard on the ground.. unfreakingbelievable...!!
also oa666, my original comment NEVER claimed Sherk had "World Class Boxing Skills" I said "Who says MMA fighters don't have the skills of a world class boxer.. Sean Sherk is the current lightweight UFC champ" If you re-read the post, I was making a comparison to the comments of others in the media to my comment that Sean Sherk has the ability to stand with them..
Hes in the The ultimate fighter 13 with team Lesnar.
MrWWEmatchesUploader 10 months ago
Inosanto Academy?
XiaoLinLong 11 months ago
@XiaoLinLong Yes, in 2005, Sensei Erik held the CSW Camp at Sifu Inosanto's Academy.
dm40 11 months ago
those are some serious fast drills,sweet we just do 12 12 12 boring.
auntygomez 1 year ago
dm40 touche!
karatemikepatolino 1 year ago
@karatemikepatolino thanks man, I hate being misunderstood.. ;^)
dm40 1 year ago
Well la dee da. dm40 you are misinformed. Fighters are martial artists whether they embrace that fact or not. Martial arts (according to wikipedia) are systems of codified (arranged) practices and traditions of combat. The term 'martial' (merriam-webster )means suited for war or a warrior. So can we say that fighters are warriors who adhere to specific traditions while preparing or engaging in a fight?
karatemikepatolino 1 year ago
@karatemikepatolino Mike, I understand what you are saying, and I agree to a point. Let me clarify what I am saying.. the guys who train in an art like Muay Thai, Karate, Judo, BJJ, JKD, etc, and learn the ENTIRE art over a period of years, and also compete in MMA are definitely considered martial artists. My opinion of the guy I consider just a fighter is the guy who learns just enough wrestling, stand-up, and submissions to "get by" in the cage successfully, are not martial artists.
dm40 1 year ago
@dm40 in the purest sense of the word.. thast what I meant.. I have HUGE respect for the fighters, as I said, they are superiorly conditioned for the most part, and have proven that aliveness and resistance in training is the way to truly learn to fight for martial artists all over the world.. Gone are the days of the "master" whose techniques are too deadly to be demonstrated.. What works against a truly resisting opponent is the true test of effectiveness.
dm40 1 year ago
@dm40 I agree. I highly dislike the new tapout promos of teaching kids mma. I have found in my research and my training (I'm a karate teacher who has had a successful transfer to mma fighting). That a person needs the discipline and skills achieved from years of perfecting a particular martial art instead of taking on all at one time. Plus it has been easier for me to understand Muay Thai, Jits, and Judo because of my karate training.
Bigant55 1 year ago 2
@Bigant55 - disagree 100% kids are like sponges, they retain everything immediately. they take 8 courses a day in school, take extra curricular activities after school, some also play hockey, golf, soccer, baseball, music.. some do it all. Don't be biased because your main discipline is Karate.Kids can and will do it all and are the future of mma.it must of been hard for you to realize after training Karate for all those years that your training could be nullified by a bjj fighter very quickly.
CaptainHighTop 1 year ago
@CaptainHighTop first off only if I get sucked into the bjj game thats were angles and spacing come in handy. But my biggest issue is the discipline that traditional martial arts as a WHOLE is teaching that is lacking representation in mma. Now you take world class mma guys today, 90% have a background in a TMA. Liddell, Machida, GSP, etc. all started in karate.I dont care if its boxing, wrestling, etc. It.s like teaching a child to read you don't just hand them 10 diff. books. You star A.B.C.
Bigant55 1 year ago 2
@Bigant55 I agree, As Sifu Inosanto has said many times, anyone regardless of age can learn different arts at the same time. Just like learning Math, Science, Reading, English, etc, you go to school to learn different subjects, you just learn them separately at different times. Same idea here, I teach my godsons privately, one session we work Muay thai, and Boxing, and the next session we train BJJ, Shooto, and Wrestling, and then at times we work on Filipino Martial Arts & JKD.
dm40 11 months ago
@Bigant55 karate is so different to combat sports that it would take time to unlearn the karate techs and tactics .The speed and reflexes picked up with karate would help you in any style.I did 16 yrs tkd then switched to muay thai and ID have been better never having done the tkd,1 yaer of boxing and i was destroying the other tkd black belts.The methods are so much better .
scarred10 1 week ago
MMA is EFFECTIVE, and the Athletes and superiorly conditioned. That is a given, but with a few exceptions, they are not martial artists they are FIGHTERs who USE martial arts to their advantage is a SPORT. MMA is a synthesis of the most effective aspects of various martial arts MIXED together to make an exciting and tough sport. I LOVE the sport of MMA, but I realize that the Martial Arts world is MUCH more than MMA.
dm40 1 year ago
I agree w/dm40. MMA is a sport comprised of THE SPORTIVE ASPECTS of quite effective traditional martial arts: boxing,kickboxing,wrestling,jiujitsu,and more and more now: judo and karate. Nobody would mistake say FLOYD MAYWEATHER for say BRUCE LEE or BROCK for Korean ROK specops.All share h2h skill,but the code of honor,nonsport combat,healing knowledge,etc. isn't mandatory in MMA but in performance oriented TMA it IS mandatory.
ATACXGYM 1 year ago
your right i dont know you and ya mma is a combanation of all martial arts put together, i really dont consider mma as a sport because you dont play fight ya you play basketball you play baseball but we dont play fight. As the more popular mma gets its turning into a martial art as itself, when you ask most people nowadays what martial art you want to train in 9 out of 10 times you will get the answer mma
fratto1 1 year ago
if you were a true martial artist you would love mma because you would love the talent that it takes to be in mma there are people that come in the cage thinking any guy off the street can do that and they try it ans we see what happens to them i train i fight and i know the talent that it takes to be an mma fighter not just wild punching and rolling on the ground its like chess when you get 2 good guys on the ground one move leads into another
fratto1 1 year ago
@fratto1 Fratto you don't know me at all.. My martial arts background spans over 30 years, and i am still learning to this day..
dm40 1 year ago
@fratto1 continued... I DO love MMA but its not an Art unto itself, its a SPORT made up of various martial arts that are highly effective in therir own right. What makes MMA special is the blending of these arts into a sport, that also requires a superior level of conditioning. What I am saying in the last few posts is that a lot of guys have only ever studied MMA and from their limited perspective, they see MMA as the only thing of value out there
dm40 1 year ago
@fratto1 My point is that they need to realize that just because they can't use it in the cage per say, that is has value.. MMA is just one facet fo what I do..
dm40 1 year ago
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rexregum 2 years ago
Holy shit he is fast.
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Greg Nelson is my teacher, does anyone think thats cool?
Fartblaster123 2 years ago
Brock Lesnar has no respect for his opponents, by his own admission, and Greg Nelson's and ECW are the guys who have created this monster. Josh Barnett vs Brock Lesnar.
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BoxingClubBillericay 2 years ago
::Yawn:: Boxing is an art of fighting with your hands. Along with BJJ it's the base of MMA. It's not dying, it's not going to be "obsolete in 10 years" and its going to be just fine. MMA needs boxing. Boxing doesn't need MMA, it was fine without it and it will be fine with it. End of story.
boxingsmvp 2 years ago
Stop yawning, pay attention and you MAY learn something.. MMA is a SPORT made up of 4 main arts.. Muay Thai and Boxing for standup, and Wrestling and BJJ for ground.. There are other lesser known arts that are in there, that you could not distinguish from the others.. Shooto, CSW, Sambo, Judo, etc. to name a few..
Shooto predates the UFC as an organization and the art goes back to roughly 1985. Started by Sayama in Japan
Boxing has its place as does MMA.. Respect BOTH...
dm40 2 years ago
I like both sports though I do favor boxing. I'm yawning at the fact that people are still saying "boxing is dying" "because of MMA, boxing will be obsolete" And one from 'Joke' Joe Rogan "because of MMA there will never be another boxing superstar again after the currents retire".
DUDE give me a break! You MMA people think you know everything... Meanwhile the sport is mostly composed of guys with lackluster skills that throw haymakers or roll around on the ground hugging.
boxingsmvp 2 years ago
Hey, I just reread your comments and I agree with your yawn.. and for the record I am NOT an MMA person, I am a MARTIAL ARTIST first and I love MMA, but its just a facet of what i do.. in that sense, maybe you and I are more alike than I originally thought.. Boxing and wrestling are martial arts as well.. people sometimes get MMA blind, and think its the be all and end all of combat and its not..
Peace
Dave
dm40 2 years ago
Oh.. and by the way, I agree completely.. with a few exceptions, MOST averge MMA guys are a jack of all trades and master of none.. not to say they are not skilled, but give me a fighter with a level 3 Instructorship in Muay thai, a black belt in BJJ, a colegiate level wrestling background and the nads of a boxer like Cotta or Jones or Mayweather, and THAT is a complete fighter in my not so humble opinion..
Dave
dm40 2 years ago
Andrei Arlovski. Great Sambo fighter, great boxer that trains with Freddy Roach. (His last loss was a TOTAL FLUKE)
gl5027 2 years ago
no, he got sloppy, he got ktfo, sorry i like arlovski, but Fedor > Andrei
iheartparra 2 years ago
I'm not talking about his fight with Fedor Emelianenko I'm talking about his fight with that Rogers guy. Although I think he had a good chance to beat Fedor until he got careless. I'm talking about him in his prime anyway. Back when he was the UFC Heavyweight Champion.
gl5027 2 years ago
he has no chin.
gaBehcuoDsuoitneterP 2 years ago
Yea I know that LOL, but he didn't ask for a chin :P
gl5027 2 years ago
God Sherk's fast...i remember once seeing him spar with Nick Thompson, holy shit...it made me realize how small i am hhahaha, cuz both Sherk and Nick were fucking HUGE! Hope Sherk wins his fight against Edgar though, i wanna see him get another title shot!
JustinThoj 2 years ago
Also...just to make things clear....I'm not some MMA nuthugger....But i can't ignore the contribution MMA has given to ALL forms of fighting whether it be sport or combat. And the things that an MMA fighter will learn are going to be more comprehensive than what is required for street fighting, in sticking with the "simple is best" theme....for example you wouldnt need to use a gogoplata or flying arbar on the street, because if you were on your back ppl dont know how to defend triangles anyway
JusticeAlliance 2 years ago
You and I are probably a lot closer in opinion than you may think.. I fully agree that MMA put the lie to a LOT of things in martial arts, but MMA is nothing more than a combination of 4 of the most effective martial arts out there... the MAIn thing in my opinion, is that it puts the lie to the mystical BS that people try to push off on the uninformed...
dm40 2 years ago
MMA was/is also about finding the "truth" in regards to fighting. If you show a person an MMA fight, they immediately recall "street fights". Standing and exchanging blow for blow without grappling is NOT natural human behaviour, because naturally we clinch for protection or because of fatigue, etc. Even UNTRAINED people go for tackles if they're being outpunched...Certain elements of boxing are a little irrelevant to "fighting" as they are to "boxing", so why learn something you don't need?
JusticeAlliance 2 years ago
MMA is NOT a style, it is a SPORT, with RULES, and LIMITATIONS... I Love MMA, but lets not confuse it with real fighting..
MMA did ONE thing in my opinion, it showed that the days of the beer bellied master who proclaimed his art was 'too deadly" to demonstrate is over..
MMA fighters in most cases are NOT martial artists in the purest sense, they are superiorly conditioned athletes who compete under a set of rules in what is arguably the most devastating combat sport.
Dave
dm40 2 years ago
MMA is made up of 5 elements, and you need all of them to be a complete fighter..
BOXING, MUAY THAI, WRESTLING, BJJ.. that is 4.. the 5th element in my opinion, is ANYTHING else that you can bring to the table to make you successful... Other arts, conditioning, weight training, cardio, etc..
dm40 2 years ago
hm yeah, i agree to an extent However, i believe the MMA method's hands down the best unnarmed method out there....eye gouges are easy....MMA is all about real substantial skills.
by "real fighting" i assume you mean being attacked by weapons or by more than one person? if so then Yes, i agree with you totally, and believe the strategy to combat these things is totally different than MMA. but...just because someone "knows" dangerous techniques, IMO doesn't give the advantage that MMA would give
JusticeAlliance 2 years ago
Forgive me but if someone has the skills of a world class boxer why in the hell would they settle for mma money?!? Rhetorical
millionstylesboksing 3 years ago
Because its about doing what you love not about the money.
HumanTarget420 3 years ago 4
MMA is a relatively new sport. The money is growing exponentially every year. Boxing could be obsolete 10 years from now
killyou45 2 years ago
AND because Sherk has the best wrestling in the MMA-game in his weight class, which comes in handy in MMA=)
Vgard 2 years ago
Good old Master Greg Nelson, I had the pleasure and honor to recieve his training years ago and this dude is too crucial. Was always fun to watch my big Football D linemen buddies get put into precarious submissions by this 5'6 or so dynamo. Thanks for the memories and skills Mr. Nelson.
donluchitti 3 years ago
Penn totally outclassed Sean Sherk
hikikomi 3 years ago
and? being the second best lightweight in the world is still pretty ridiculous. michael jordan outclassed lots of great basketball players.
TriangleJiuJitsu 3 years ago 2
Penn totally outboxed Sherk. If sherk went for more takedowns it would have a different story.
HumanTarget420 3 years ago
bob & weave? seriously?
I dont think so...
Artorioux 3 years ago
Why not?
ReijiTaro 3 years ago
what happens when a boxer thinks a jab is coming...?
throw the jab+faint the striaght right or left and bring up the rear foot to meet the 'ducking=bob'. If you think this doesnt work..ok (?if B.Lee didnt incorporate bob&weave...why not?)cause its a flaw in universal fighting...
further the whole time the pad man is not backing up and then tells the hitter to shoot!!? ok its a drill...like breaking boards.
most of these drills are for rule fighting...but still
Artorioux 3 years ago
See, it's still the "but still". This just gives you one more thing to use (even if it does fail), and yes, you are right of what could happen. It's still situational and that won't always happen. And are you saying that Bruce Lee didn't incorporate it or that he did?
ReijiTaro 3 years ago
timer 1:51 pause and note his head position...
thats where he will be after my straight right jab...(EVERYTIME...cause he trains that move as you can note). My left foot this time to side of his head off a jab + faint left...and his head will be there everytime...
Artorioux 3 years ago
Yeah, thats crazy! Why in the world would he want to bob and weave to dodge a counter punch. He should just block it with his face! ;)
janusmagus 3 years ago
Lol, there's "69" text comments. But now that I added this coment it's 70...
Fartblaster123 3 years ago
way too cool.
ramareddy 3 years ago
Greg nelson is so sweet.. my dad knows him!!
someday i will get to meet the huge brock lesnar
im so excited.. and my friend trained with both of them!!! =]
MNWild1012 3 years ago
sherks got major underrated striking
OleVictor 3 years ago 2
wow, BJ better bring his A game if he wants to keep Sean title around his wast.
ishbla 3 years ago
He did.
Jewsies323 3 years ago
Very interesting. Nice to see different professionals at work. May God bless you!!!
ProfRaphaello 3 years ago
one the best drills I have seen on youtube, man if I had the tym and the money I would love to train with greg nelson.
delarmon 3 years ago
he has a set fo DVD on his website, and he is prominently featured on thsi dvd here from Erik PAulson's CSW Camp 2005..
dm40 3 years ago
thanx bro
delarmon 3 years ago
thats a fuccin sweet move
delarmon 3 years ago
delarmon,
Greg's focus mitt drills are the best in the business for MMA, you can take almost any boxing combination, and add the MMA elements at the end, and it makes the drills very alive.. As you see here, Greg is combining a jab, Cross, uppercut combination with a wrestling/mma shot, and Sean is one of the best out there..
dm40 3 years ago
Great shoot at the end.
mrpopenfresh 3 years ago
Does anyone know the name of this Erik Paulson dvd set?
Saku19 3 years ago
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ok.. very nice sherk. now lets try that without the roids ^_^
PuRo787 3 years ago
Floyd Mayweather, in a cage, would get dropped on his head and rolled up into knots. In the same way, the best strikers in mma would get lit up like a Christmas tree against the best boxers in the world when in a square circle. All this is to say that we can co-exist. boxing and mma are two very different sports with two different types of athletes on their respective thrones.
eskibro907 3 years ago 2
nice combo got that in my training bag now good to see advances more than jab cross hook like at my gym. new stuff keep it coming.
essex281 3 years ago
Greg is one of the BEST guys out their at MMA focus mitt drills.. they have a different feel than straight boxing combos.. I highly recommend this DVD set, and if you get the chance to attend a seminar with Greg, take it..
Dave
dm40 3 years ago
Ye i Really hope Sherk is going to outpace Penn..Go Sherk!
morgall 3 years ago
I cant believe that this debate still goes on. Yes, boxing alone in MMA will lead to a butt kicking. But so will wrestling alone, and Jiu Jitsu. You NEED to cross train. Three things you need for MMA, good strikes, takedown or takedown defense, and submission. So boxing and Judo would go well, Muay Thai and Sambo. Whatever.... stop aruging about this stuff, it sounds lame.
LiLtokoyo 4 years ago 2
B. J. Penn, Fedor Emelianenko, and Rampage Jackson all just use boxing for their standup. And they have some of the best standup in all of MMA! Boxing is one of the dominant arts in mixed martial arts.
ckobo84 4 years ago
they all throw kicks. ur wrong. lil tokyo said it well. shut up about it.
onearmedbutler 3 years ago
also klitchko who nearly beat lennox lewis ..in his early years entered a mixed style comp and got k.o for nearly a minuet in the first round by a turning back kick by a coloured english based fighter who was based in london , and he aint even a big name boxing only rearly works against boxing if both mma and boxer are equally matched then boxer will lose 80 % of the time !!!
fergal0480 4 years ago
Jacobhoward56 who knows nothing in the early years of ufc many boxers entered and got owned as they only use there hands jeez man educate urself , i do freestyle martial arts and boxing and if i used my mma traing at the boxing gym id own them u fool also on the street .
fact if boxing is so good why dont the elite special forces use it ghukers , sas , etc becouse martial arts e.g krav maga , sas , systema , own in pressered no rule situations , boxing sport only .
fergal0480 4 years ago
Boxing and MMA are 2 totally different games. Boxing in a boxing match and boxing in MMA are totally different. Imagine how much Mayweather would have to change his style to keep from getting taken down or kicked. Its totally different. Try it sometime. Box in a normal boxing match, and then try to do the same thing with someone shooting on you and kicking the fuck out of your legs.
tat2edup 4 years ago
well find out when Mayweather has his first MMA fight
FrankieGrasshoppa 4 years ago
actually if you put mike tyson against a ufc heavyweight champion the champion would whip his ass BUT if you put the champion strictly in a boxing ring mike tyson would put his hand through the other guys head.
b6bolles 4 years ago
mma fighters could last 1 round with any pro boxers..... 1 round boxing the rest mma , Boxer would win the 1st round EVERYTIME.....
Jacobhoward56 4 years ago
this guy is a good trainer ... i hate ufc though .. wrestling is gay as fuck.
Jacobhoward56 4 years ago
Quit hating cuz youd get dumped on your head by a wrestler LOL. I like boxing and all aspects of MMA, I dont bash other peoples styles just cuz Im not good at it.
tat2edup 4 years ago
better boxing skills than most mma fighters but world class far from.
tunitnigga 4 years ago
That was my point.. the term "World Class" is WAY overused.. Anyone can look awesome on the pads.. it takes a lot more skill to apply that level of skill in a fight...
dm40 4 years ago
Very impressive, you guys lead by example
kerryhowman 4 years ago
so true. Alot of them train in one discipline and then evolve in many other forms of martial arts. They are very open minded fighters.
ArmyMPsoldier 4 years ago
Just one of the reasons MMAA fighters are some of the best out there.
damageincmma1 4 years ago
You ar ea fucking idiot. some of the best what ? nothing. Nothing at all. Mike tyson would have tore ufc up no problem. Any boxer would TEAR UP UFC , Bunch of boxers who couldnt make it.
Jacobhoward56 4 years ago
Just another boxer in denial. You can get as mad as you like. But the facts don't lie. Boxers who are not trained in the other disciplines have been worked in MMA. Boxing is an integral part of what we do which is why I employ a boxing coach for my guys. As well as a wrestling coach, ju jitsu instructors, and Muay Thai coaches
damageincmma1 4 years ago
And just so you know MMAA stands for Minnesota Martial Arts Academy. I was not talking about MMA in my original post. Guess you have been knocked around in sparring too much. That would explain your inability to debate in a civilized manner. Name calling is always easier than trying to make your point intelligently. I would expect no less from the boxing community. Sorry about you losing 90% of your fan base to a second rate combat sport also. Idiot.....
damageincmma1 4 years ago
No boxer would last in the UFC, I'd love to see GSP knock the fuck out of floyd mayweather. GSP would get the takedown and land some nice elbows like he did on sherk, boxing sucks, I use to be a boxer but but switched to MMA because you really need to know every aspect of fighting, not just punching. Boxing is boring to watch, 12 rounds then a decision. meh. gay.
SoniQo 4 years ago
MMA owns, sorry mate.
SoniQo 4 years ago
You cant box off of your back and thats exactly where they would end up, on the NASTY end of elbows, punches, and submissions.
tat2edup 4 years ago
sherk is so fast!
db2012 4 years ago
You guys are good with the mitts.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
I saw this former pro boxer and coach at Tommys gym in Costa Mesa California knock out a guy who was a brown belt with the Machados. the guy did an amazing feint, a hyper fast shot, the coach just slid and pivoted and hit that guy about 3 times in the face (with gloves) before he went down, all of this in about 2 seconds. I was impressed.
mrblackmagic28 4 years ago
Mixed Martial artists are by far the tuffest people on the planet and would kick the S*%T out of any other single disiplne combat athlete in a no rules comp any day of the week.
matrat2006 4 years ago
The only way to test disciplines against each other is to have no rules, any thing goes matches, ie street fighting, which I think would give a GOOD M.M.A fighter the edge, however many boxers do crosstrain, also some are knockout specialists.
A heavy weight boxer may only need to hit a lightweight MMA fighter once, end of, same way a strong MMA fighter may break your leg with one kick, end of. it would not be the discipline but the individual fighter that would be put to the test.
kevjkx 4 years ago
For confidence building and endurance this is a great "workout". I'm sure the trainer will say ... later, that an opponent in a tournament fight will move away from you and keep you in their striking distance. Yes a very good technique, but show all the facets. And also it takes at least 2-3 years of training to be a reasonable fighter.
tristanbellmane 4 years ago
awesome, nice combinations - good takedown setup
zeerebel 4 years ago
I don't think sean used.
And I wouldn't say things you would not say to his face.
00Mikebcn 4 years ago
Sherk is the man.
HarveyFoFi 4 years ago
You're right, and I'm sorry for stereotyping all MMA fighters. I think I'm trying to focus more on Sherk himself, as this video is his trainer.
Now, as we all know, the on-the-ground method is Sherk's forte with all the shoot to takedowns he does.
But I've seen the man fight only hands before.
And he's really good. Haha.
So yes, kickbox, you're right. The story may not be true for all MMA fighters. I'm just sayin Sherk is damn awesome at mainly hands too. Have a good one.
derderpball90 4 years ago
You are so wrong, youz1uglybish.
I train at Sherk's gym, and have seen him face up against boxers. It's no contest. Sherk is the best all around fighter the world knows.
During our training, we're taught how to use our techniques against not only other MMA fighters, but normal boxers as well.
Mayweather, Cotto, Delahoya would be toast.
I've been boxing for a long time as well, and finished my career before MMA at 10-2.
Sherk would destroy. Boxers have nothing against MMA fighters.
derderpball90 4 years ago
dude how can u say that boxers have nothing against mma fighters. not all mma fighters are great boxers, some mma fighters are better ground fighters. im not downing mma because i fight mma. how could u say that delahoya would lose against sean sherk, as far as i know theyve never faught. maybe ur the one thats so wrong.
KickboxGuy101 4 years ago
You have to realize the mental game though too. When your fighting mma you have to worry about everything from kicks, elbows, knees, plus being taken down then totally changing your mental game once your down there. But if your in a straight up boxing match the game kind of in a weird way becomes easier, because your focusing on just one area of what you train in. Which of course doesn't mean that an mma fighter still won't get knocked the fuck out.
liquidghost 4 years ago 2
Sherk has shown very good boxing skills all through his career. He is very quick and throws solid combinations and also he keeps his hands up around his head for a great defense. He is very quick but dosn't have the reach so, he is often unable to use it. However he did outstrike Diaz in their fight and he did suprisingly well for a while with GSP.
99Steve 4 years ago
That is some nice tenchique
joedellpc 4 years ago
sherk is gonna is going to run through franca... i'd like to see sherk vs tyson griffin...
klassakt311 4 years ago
no gloves on the mits and the guy is 135... of course he should look fast. sheesh ... you've been grappling too long.
skullylove 4 years ago
He alternates gloves and no gloves, and in the DVD set he wears the gloves most of the time.. And Sean walks around at around 170-75 before a fight.. His hand speed is evident..
dm40 4 years ago
Fantastic video, thank you so much for posting. This is some really nice work.
celticforce1349 4 years ago
crazy shot speed
SteedTheDeed 4 years ago
oa666 fair enough, but Sherk has 13 years of boxing training.. i think a lot of boxers are overratted as well, there only a few TOP boxers that have that kind of precision, Mayweather, DeLahoya, Cotto, and a few others that don't come to mind right now.. And YES I agree that if Sherk tried to BOX one of them, he would more than likely get outpointed, but I don't see him getting KOd .. That is why i hate the comparison between the two sports
dm40 4 years ago
I think he might get KOd by Dela Hoya but not Mayweather for sure, Mayweather would just outpoint him.
diabolic42090 4 years ago
roflmao oh my wtf are we talkin about over here..although i do beleive mma fighters are the best overall fighters in the world..saying or even implying that sean sherk could hold his own against mayweather cotto,delahoya in a boxing match is pure ignorance..that fight would go about 2 rounds if that long bye boxing standards mma stand-up is sloppy mediocore at best come on now lets b 4 real!
youz1uglybish 4 years ago
I was going on your quote
"Who says MMA fighters don't have the skills of a world class boxer"
sherk is a great fighter, would slam mayweather to the ground and pound him bloody, but his skills dont compare to even a mediocre boxer in terms of punching. no disrespect to sherk, just arguing to inaccuracy of your opening statement
oa666 4 years ago
Dude, you can be a world class boxer without being the pound-for-pound greatest boxer in the world. The very fact that you feel compelled to compare Sherk to Mayweather is evidence enough that Sherk could definately be a world class boxer. Be reasonable man.
Arty0569 4 years ago
This is from the DVD set from paulson's 2005 CSW Camp at the inosanto Academy.. I highly suggest his stuff, Paulson is a wizard on the ground.. unfreakingbelievable...!!
dm40 4 years ago
i dont understand how Sherk manages to maintain such speed with his hands while still having such stocky arms. pretty insane.
raginasian123 4 years ago
ttt for sherk !!!! war sherk
BILLYtheKIDD101 4 years ago
good stuff. which dvd did this come from?
ASanchez83 4 years ago
lightning fast
kamikazefighta 4 years ago
also oa666, my original comment NEVER claimed Sherk had "World Class Boxing Skills" I said "Who says MMA fighters don't have the skills of a world class boxer.. Sean Sherk is the current lightweight UFC champ" If you re-read the post, I was making a comparison to the comments of others in the media to my comment that Sean Sherk has the ability to stand with them..
dm40 4 years ago
please you don't need to explain yourself to these dweebs. Sherk is the champ. NUFF SAID!!
Groynkikt 4 years ago
oa666.. I agree that "world Class" is an overused term, but Sherk has GREAT hands compared to a lot fo MMA fighters out there. I resent your tone..
dm40 4 years ago
great fighter- but world class boxing skills? thats insane. not even close.
sherk isnt in need of being given false credentials, hes got enough legit ones. stop it
oa666 4 years ago
Sherk defeated Nick Diaz + Kenny Florian at the stand up game
OmeleDuFromage 4 years ago
Sherk is excellent at stand up. People underestimate his striking skills cos hes really great at wrestling. He defeated
OmeleDuFromage 4 years ago