Özü Türk - (Tatar-Tatarlar-Tatars from Finland) Part 4

[MrSecoBaba]

turkish is no mongol turkish is arian

[mehmetkar1234]

asaaskopkkok

[mehmetkar1234]

asaaskopk

[mehmetkar1234]

asaas

[mehmetkar1234]

asa

[AbdelkarimHoning]

4:41 mosque

[MrErhant]

Yahu atışmaya ne kadar meraklısınız.Burada bizden olan insanları görüyoruz tanıyoruz.Hakarete gerek var mı?Yaptığınız çok ama çok ayıp.

[koskorterskor]

cok guzel.allah icinde insan sevgisi olan herkeze hidayet versin insallah.akraba topluluklarimizin huzur icinde yasamasi cok duygulandiriyor insani.ve onlarin basarilari da bir o kadar gururlandiriyor.ne guzel kendi kulturlerini yasatiyorlar.masallah

[burakkk55]

fnlandiyadaki bu cemiyetin kuruluşunun 3 ana sebebi var diyor cemiyet başkanı...

dillerini,dinlerini ve kültürlerini muhafaza etmek...

sen kalkmış müslüman Türk milletine ümmetçi diyorsun o zaman finlandiyada ki Müslüman Türk kardeşlerimizin videosunu paylaşmayacaksın...yada hakaret etmeyeceksin,hakaretlerin onlarında gücüne gider...

[KodOdessa]

mycket underbart helt fantastiskt

[KodOdessa]

HELAL OLSUN

[mikelinbasher]

This is very interesting (:

[16and9]

Volga Bulgarians,not Tatars ! Tatarism is created by russian comunist dogs before around 80 years ago.

Freedom for Volga Bulgaria,fuck tatarism !

[esraretin]

@16and9 re u ok?:)))im from turkey and i can understand clearly what these guys says re u a joke?tatars re turkic oriented nation and read some history i swear u ll be so surprised when u learn ur bulgars origin please read for it or ask some honest historians

[Borat911]

@16and9 The name doesn't matter ... all turkic people from certain time and region were named 'Tatars' by their neighbours ... Volga Bulgaria ended after defeat and they became part of the many khanates, kingdoms or fiefs whatever followed ... Today only the language and culture remains and the people look all very different, some european others more asian. They are as much Tatar as Bulgar ... besides Tatar is better because it's more general name. Volga Bulgar is just a specific group

[VitjaBuchak]

Bu filmi izledikten sonra.

Nerede Nordic Tatarlar bilen.

Tatarlar tamamen beyaz.

Beyazlar ve Finliler Asya gözler.

[granskare]

very nice; I see a video of Tartars in Poland and now in Finland...my ancestors are from Ostrobothnia so this was interesting...:)

btw, I was in Turkey for 2 years, 1957 -1959 so I have many Turkish points of view :)

this series I think is very good :)

[akinay888]

ALLAH türkleri korusun

[jezter2k]

@akinay888

allah yazsını büyük yazıyorsun ama TÜRK yazısını küçük yazıyorsun TÜRKE LAF ATANIN ALLAHINI SİKERİM!

[akinay888]

@jezter2k ...lan orospunun cocugu lan piçın evladı senın gıbı turkun taa yedı ceddını sıkeyım..sen nasıl yazı yazmıssın piçççççççççççç......ALLAH senın soyunu sopunu kurutsun soysuz piçççççççççççççççççççççççççççç­çççççççççççççççççççççççççççççç­çççççççççççççççççççççççççççççç­çççççççççççççççççççççççç

[akinay888]

@jezter2k ....lan ammına kodugumun evladı sen nerdesınlan eger zerre serefın varsa adresını verırsın bana..senın gotunu kesecem faşısttttttt piççççççççççç

[MATURARA]

Turkey to protect the culture of living in Europe all my brothers I am sending my greetings from istanbol. ( esselamun aleykum.)

[666hyperionhellas]

stupid mongolians

[1993kerim]

haha heryerde türk var

[TheTatarTurk]

Türkiyeden selam aytarım bütün Tatar balalarına.Menimde özüm Tatar.Atam Kazan,anam Kırım Tatarı.Bizler sizi unutmadık sizlerde bizi unutmayınız.

[muzaffer0618]

Ya arkadaşlar, birde müslümanları ümmetçi, müslüman olmayanları kafir ilan etmek biraz yakışıksız oluyor. Biraz daha dikkatli olalım bence. Adamlar finlandiyada barış içinde yaşıyorlar bakın. Biz herşeyi sorun yapıyoruz birbirimize giriyoruz. güç kaybediyoruz. bu tip basit şeylerle uğraşmayı bırakalım.

[memze17]

unfortunately there are no translation finnicpagan.....basicallythe story tells about how they came to finland n their lifes,religions, culture n how they managed to preserve all this....im a turk n i didnt even know there tatar turks in finland :)

[FinnicPagan]

Very interesting documentary!

Some thoughts:

1. I wish I would've been able to understand it fully. Is there a translation anywhere? :-)

2. I think it's awesome that such a small minority has preserved its culture and language!

3. This documentary gives a good picture of normal muslims! As a Finn I feel comfortable that there's a muslim minority in Finland that's fully adapted to the Finnish society. No Wahhabis and such.

[xplosivelilly]

@FinnicPagan tatars are different...they're native to Europe..

[witeNshine]

@xplosivelilly that is not true, tatars are a turkic asiatic people. the reason these people look like swedish or finnish is that a certain amount of interethnical marriage has occured. Most pr obably the male tatars married finnish and swedish women so that they got mixed.

[73Hamizie]

Alhamdulillah...

Never cross in my mind that there is a moslem community in Finland... Very interesting... Thanks to Allah for that...

Allah Akhbar...

Love & Peace from Malaysia

[IdelUralState]

Tugannar bez sezge unutmaybez !!!

[Wirwerdenkommwn]

ulan mogol kirmasi sen benim güzel irkimi nasil bir basit irk ile bir araya getirirsin davar oglu davar.

bedevelier de sana yakisir bana degil hayvan.pis ermeni kirmasi ulan sen degil türk,türkün boku olamazsin essogluessek,bunu silersen annani sikerim.pis mogol veya ermeni bide türkmüs,siktir lan seni gibi türk kahrlosun

[Uralic]

vay be, icindeki yobazlik tohumu agir basmis olacakki,benide kendin gibi zannedip hemen iftiralara basladin. Senin iftiranla ben ermeni olmam merak etme. Nasil olsa kaninda var, sizin gibi ummetcilerin iftira atmakta ustunuze yoktur. O odun kafana sunu sok, Turk tarihi Mogolsuz, Mogollarin tarihide Turksuz olmaz, olamaz! Galiba Mogollar canini cok yakmis olacakki hemen buraya gelip, icindeki kini kusmaya basladin.

[Uralic]

Onceki mesajim fazla dokunmus olacakki, hemen bana kufure baslamissin. Merak etme kocum seni bir daha laflarimla seni sikerken, fazla canini acitmamaya ozen gosteririm :)))))) Bu mesajlarida silmeyecegim. Nedenide cumle alem gorsun sizin gibi yesil yilanlarin nasil bir kafa yapisina oldugunu gorsun.

Klavye erkegi seni, senden cok korktum ya :))))

[balkanturkic]

Wirwerdenkommwn

yalnis anlasilmasin.

mogol denilen halk 12. yuzyilda , cengizin ordusu ile cikti. cengiz kendi emrinde toplanan turk , tungus , menkirt , manchur , kore irklarinin adlarini mogol olarak degistirdi. Onlara oguz kaganin emirlerin olan emirleri verdi ve onlari (yasa) ya sa olarak adlandirdi. biraz arastirirsan anlarsin. cengizin ordusunun yarisindan cogu daginik turk askerlerinden olusuyordu. mogol degiliz ama kan bagimiz var :)

[deardraculasql]

@Wirwerdenkommwn

ruh hastasimisin sen lan?

[Wirwerdenkommwn]

Resulullah efendimizin bir hadisinden "Allahin doguda bir ordusu vardir. Onun Adini TÜRK koymusstur,kendisine bas kaldiranlardan iste onlar vasitasíyla intikam alir"

eger yalan söylüyorum diyorsaniz gidin arastirin beyinsiz mogollar.

kaynak :hadisi nakleden kazvini.el-kasgarli,mahmud divanul lügat,et Türk,istanbul,1333,s 292

hadi ne duruyorsun bre kafir bunada yalan de,yada kabul edin pis bir mogol oldugunuzu veyahut ermeni kirmasi oldugunuzu.Allah türkü korusun

[Uralic]

Ulan bu kadar milliyetcilik havalari atacagina, once git dogru duzgun bir Turkce yazmayi ogren. Davar!

Senin bu kadar Mogollardan nefret etmenin nedeni buyuk olasilikla, abbasi denilen bedevileri ortadan kaldirdiklari icindir.

[muzaffer0618]

wirwerdenkommwn @

O sözünü ettiğin cümle Hz. Peygamberin hadisi filan değil. Önünüze geleni hadis bilmem ne diyerek ortalığı bulandırmayın. zaten diken üstünde millet. O söz Kaşgarlı Mahmut'un Divan-ı Lügat-it Türk adlı eserinde yazılı bir sözdür. Bu eser bir sözlük olmasına rağmen asıl amacı türkçe nin arapçadan daha üstün bir dil olduğunu göstermekti.

[MrOKUTAY]

@Wirwerdenkommwn Ebedi Gök Tengri Irkimi senin gibi Arabin Preservatif sisintizidan korusun !

Amcik senin okutun Tarihini sikeyim Balkan, Kavkaz veya Arabkirmamisin belli degil.

Siktir git Aq. Oglu, heralde Mogol Soyunu sikmis ondan götün agliyor;)

[Wirwerdenkommwn]

Sizlere yaziklar olsun dünyayi titreten osmanli arapmiydi???ki arabin dini diyorsunuz islam dünya dinidir beyler,bir düsünün alparslan sultan 20bin kis ile 200 bin lik dev bi orduyu neyle yendi??tabiiki imaniyla canakkaledeki sehitleri unutdunmU??onlar müslüman degilmiydi??türklükden bahsediyorsunuz ve bilmiyorsunuz biz daima 1 tanriya inanmissizdir ve islami kabul etmemizin sebebi bizim turk peygamberlerinin s.a.v. efendimizden söz etmesidir.

[dybbuk4640]

nothing too impressive

[shnizzlelillylex]

wow tatars kept islam religion in finland! cool!!

[nomangodoytokay]

yaziklar olsun, Türk demek "müslüman" mi demek oluyor. dünyanin her yerinde yayilmis Türkün TEK mi TEK DEGERLERI arapin kütürü deyil TÜRKÜN TÖRELERI olmasi gerek! "la ilahe illallah" ???

bu mu Türkün birbirini TANIDIGI PAROLA ?? bu ÖZ TÜRKCE mi!

senin "lailahe ilallah"ini TÜRK HRISTIYAN GAGAUZ anliyormu!!!? ODA TÜRK!!!

yakut TÜRKÜ senin arapca "la ilahe ilalahini" anliyormu!!!? HAYIR !

TÜRK TÜRKTEN BÖYLE UZAKLASIYOR!

TIL TURA TIN'TUR - DIL TÖRE DIN'DIR !!

[sibirislam]

seni bizimle akraba yapan ne? aynaya bak. sen karisiksin, yunan, laz, cerkez, ermeni, anadolu yerli halk, slav....

[sibirisIam]

nomangodoytokay abi bir önceki sözlerimden dolayi senden cok özür dilerim ve sikini yalarim neolur affet beni. sayfanizi gördüm ve kabul etmem gerek sizin kadar Türkü acisiyla tatlisiyla dünyaya tanitan bir sayfa görmedim burda, helal olsun emegine saglik abi. tekrar özür dilerim, saygilarimla. ben arapsoylu Amcik Abdullah... ismimdeki "sibir" nerden geldi aklima bilmem ama galiba beni fazla arap devesi sikmis olmali, eyvallah.

[nomangodoytokay]

Türk olmaktan utaniyorum, cünkü DiLiMi TÖREMi arapa satan arapsoylu kani beyni ruhu bozuk "Türkler" varken!

[eud1558]

Turkkilaiset ovat ylpeitä te ja Me emme unohda teitä ....

Long Live Finland and Long Live Tatars !!

[unixuser01]

turkcenizi korudugunuz icin sizleri tebrik ederiz en azindan araplasmadiniz özunuzde turk kaldiniz

adiniz turkce dahi olmasi beni cok sevindirdi hasan huseyin ali veli ismi turkiyede cok yaygin olup turkuz dedeiginde utanc duyuyorum insanlarimiza turklugu unutturuluyor arap hayranlari tarafindan

[falcondogan2005]

Sizleri cok seviyoruz, ne mutlu Turkce konusuyorsunuz kardeslerim.

[77Andee77]

The ancestors of the present-day Tatars came to Finland from the 1870s to the mid 1920s from a group of some 20 villages in the Sergatch region on the Volga River, to the southeast of Nizhni-Novgorod, formerly Gorki. Most of them had been farmers but they settled in Finland as merchants trading in furs and textiles and chose initially to reside in Helsinki and its surrounding area.

they re imigrants not finish ppl !!!!!!!

[eud1558]

So what ? Should they turn back to wild Russia ?

[77Andee77]

yes / kyllä

[81lego81]

Kick them Islamists out of that country so they won't infest it with their garbage religion

[unixuser01]

81lego81 same god but diffrent way to belive the is fanatic in cristianty so dont be nazi

[Iggy3d]

I drove through a Tartar village in Eastern Lithuania. There was a lovely little green wooden mosque.

However, the locals looked unhappy and wrecked by alcoholism. They were only a shadow of what their ancestors wused to be; courageous warriors who fought for the freedom and independance of Lithuania.

[7nevski7]

awesome

[tim101000]

Как у вас весело! Прямо завидно!

[luvfunlife]

i'm tatar living in US. it's really great to see people of my nation gathering and supporting our culture. too bad we don't have anything like this here :(

[rmadi41]

Turkiye unutmayIn bizi

yurt di$inin Turkleri

[akramrami]

pakistanknight ..if you speak pakistani in geramny , do you consider your self german race...?

[PakistanKnight]

no why?

[Atilla3]

PakistanKnight, I couldnt stop laughing when you said that your source was from a white supremacist webbsite and here I started to read all your comments just to know more about this so called information that you have been arguing about like if it was such a fact. Did it ever occure to you that they do say allot of bullshit and manipulate facts to their own advantage. And one "source" does not make it so credible. Google this up, "RELIABLE SOURCES, WIKI".

[PakistanForever99]

Im the one who's laughing, this is my other account. The Hungarians come from Mygyar tribe, not huns.Hungarian words for hungarians is Myghyar. And i didnt get that from a white supremiscist site. Go read a history book. And where the hell did you get Altaic & uralic are the same. That was a theory dropped 200 years ago. i doubt you are a Hungarian.

[BalanKhan]

As name "hungaria" is borrowed by "onoguria" like onogur>unogur >(h)unogur > hungar+ia. Onogurs was a Lir Turkic speaking tribe of Bulgars. Bulgars was a Khagnate and they migrated with Hunnics. Magyars are mixed with Lir speaking Turkish tribes and they migrated to Europe from Asia. Now, Onogurs are assimilated about 1000 years ago; but another Turkish tribes(they're speaking Shaz Turkic) Kumans are still living in Hungary.

[Atilla3]

"Hungarians speak a Uralic language (after the Ural mountains in Siberia) but they are still European by race". Originally by race they are Hun-Turks, unfortunatly they are not what they where then. Me and my bloodline who are decendents of huns moved to east inorder not to loose who we are, proud to be Hun-Turk. Thus my name Atilla.

[Atilla3]

You also say that Tatars are racially scandinavians, thats one hell of statement. First you cant assume Tattars in general are racially scandinavians just because a couple of hundred tatars "looks" like a scandinavian. Second is this also a statement from the white supremacist site.

[Atilla3]

Forgot to add my source not possible to write the address here but google it and you will find, (The Tatars: A Pre-Turkish European) (History of Scandinavia

, wiki) (National Minorities of Finland, The Tatars)

[alpkenan]

turk and mongols are related

[luvfunlife]

it's only a 4% of tatar blood that is mongol. but we are happy to have such a powerful Gengiz Khan blood in our veins.

[asenaZLS]

Tatars are Turkic, nog Mongol.

[afaresis]

Tatars are Turks, not Mongols. Mongols were not crowded at any time in history to considerably influence the genetic pool if central asian people, who were Turks. Yes, Eastern Turks have Mongoloid feautures including Tatars. But most Turkisc people do not.

Pakistannight is talking from his ass. He has no proof, jsut making up things. Tatars are Turkic people with some Mongoloid influence and THAT IS THE END OF DISCUSSION.

[Rox300954]

I am a Turk from Cyprus,i can understand everything they are saying.

So they are Turkish.

[PakistanKnight]

But one other thing. These people cannot be Russian they do not have slavic faces. They look more like Georgians or north Azeris.

[rangeo88]

Very interesting, It's nice to see such a peaceful community in Finland. But take note how the second religion gets involved everything turns nasty and tense. Why can't people just celebrate their culture without focusing so much on religion, especially the childhood indoctrination part.

[PakistanKnight]

you have a good point but it's not always religion that starts fights, nationalism is a good example and religions also bring some sense of morality and when both religions are similar (christianity & islam in this case) then the chances of tension are more unlikely

[Atilla3]

What is it that gets nasty with religion, your talking about childhood indoctrination which has nothing to do with religions whatsoever no where in religion does it say you should do that. Childhood indoctrination is something you see from people no matter what belief system or oppinion they have, whether you look at an atheist, christian anarchist or racist. What a belief says is one thing, and what people do is completly another thing, we need to learn to separate this two appart.

[VolgaTatar2007]

Молодцы татары Финляндии, умеют сохранять свои традиции и культуру. Татарам России нужно поучиться у своих сородичей, живущих в Финляндии (кстати, смешанных браков там очень мало, в отличие от России).

[MatureWolf]

They are talking Turkish language, sure they are Turkish. in video u can see that

[SolntsaSvet]

3)Those people who call/consider themselves Tartars nowadays living outside Scandinavian region(by the way an absolute majority), speak a Turkic language and conserve many Mongoloid phenotype features and consider themselves related to other Turkic nations as well linguistically as regarding the ethnic origins.

[SolntsaSvet]

Some of the reasons that support the accepted view on Tartars are:

1) There is no either historical or archaelogical evidence of the residence of Tartars in Scandinavian peninsula.

2)There is no information (or traces of any kind) of a Scandinavian(north germanic???) "tartar" language previous to the "Mongolic influence".

[SolntsaSvet]

But it is a completely WRONG assumption to consider THESE "tartars" and then state that Tartars as nation WERE Scandinavian people ORIGINALLY.

[PakistanKnight]

Just because you are not convinced of these people being scandinvian it doesnt stop them from being scandinavians. Hungarians speak a Uralic language (after the Ural mountains in Siberia) but they are still European by race. You don't seem to understand that change in language does not change genes. What's the point of arguing when you ignor most of what I've been telling you.......

[melis83tr]

DO you know or are you sure what are you talking about? you need to read more and search more...there is no one type of turkish appearence because we mixed and immigrated much more places mixing with the native people. Come to turkey and see the variety and diversity among people. Please write a comment or speak about smt; search more and make sure whether it's true or not. Otherwise; you will seem to be ignorant as you did!!!

[SolntsaSvet]

Now, REPEATING what I said before,- the Tartars shown on this video are not the best representation of the Tartars as an ethnic group. And just as i said before too, that is because people on this video are quite mixed with local population,- finns and swedes. Nowadays Finns are not a conserserved finnic nation,- they have mixed themselves with the swedes to a great extent. All this makes THESE TARTARS on the VIDEO not homogeneously MONGOLOID!

[luvfunlife]

in finnish tatar community if you get married with finnish or any other nation (except turkish and tatar) you are not part of tatar community anymore. they are very strict with mixed marriages etc

[melis83tr]

It's so strange;kinda putting you away from your origin like assimilation.....:(

I'm turkish and proud of my culture and blood in my veins...look at here turkish and turkish origins all around the world. I hate the people who dont like the people saying that I love turkish proudly and perceive that as a racist nationalism; I'm not racist!! but definetly love who I am and what I belong to...we have really valuable cultural background guys!!!

[SolntsaSvet]

You don't need to try anything else,- you can't affirm something just out of nothing. The present day information on the Tartars is that they always belonged to Mongoloid race and Turkic linguistic group. There are no proofs whatsoever to state something revolutionary in regards to that, just you did. If you really believe you have discovered a "new truth", you'd better bring up some facts, info, source of such an "enlightening news".

[PakistanKnight]

Okay i'll try ONE LAST TIME

If a group of scandinvians started speaking Chinese and adopted bhuddism as their religion would that stop them from being scandinavian? Would that mean all of a sudden they are not scandinavian simply because of language? The answer is no. That is the same case of the tatars in finland & the russian federation. They are racially scandinavian but speak a different language because of mongol colonization. I think I have made myself clear.

[PakistanKnight]

You dont seem to get it. If this group of scandinavians did not speak tatar or convert to Islam they would not be called "Tatars" in the first place. I am saying the "Tatars" seen in this video are not tatars by race. They are mostly native scandinavian with a bit of Mongol. If a group of scandinavians spoke Arabic for example would that make them "Arabs" by race or just because of language.

if you dont seem to get it then I'm sorry I couldnt make it any more clear.

[SolntsaSvet]

If you insist, that Tartars and Scandinavians have common racial roots, bring up some proofs. Mention a book or a source to me. The accepted information so far is that tartars are and were mongoloids racially, and Turkic linguistically, just as any other steppe Turkic tribe. Also, the Mexicans, as you have repeatedly mentioned them, have a lot to do with Spaniards. Racially they are "mestizos" in their majority: blend of Spaniards mainly with local Indian tribes.

[PakistanKnight]

One thing you have to understand is tha Turks and mongols are of the same background. Infact Turk was a name given to the early Mongols. According to all empires forums Tatars are racially scandinavian because they were colonized by the Turks/Mongols they became Muslim and started spekaing Tatar. This was confirmed on stormfront (a white supremiscist website) that 84% of them are European by race. if you take a good look at them they mostly look scandinavian.

[PakistanKnight]

You have to understand if a group of indiginious scandinavians change their language and religion does not change their genes or race. The people of south america are predominantly Spannish speaking and christian by religion with a few exceptions but that does not change their genes or race. i can't make it any more clear than that.

[PakistanKnight]

I am only counting race here not language culture or religion. They were converted by the original tatars who were indeed mongoloid hence they adopted that as their language and Islam as their religion but the tatars of finland and the russian federation are racially scandinvian origin

the "tatars" you see in this video are racially scandinvian but with some mongoloid but again russians and finns also have a bit of mongoloid.

[SolntsaSvet]

The Tartars on this video have mixed with the finns(who are greatly mixed with the swedes,->mainly nordic racially. So they are heterogeneous in aspect. Ethnically, they are not purely mongoloid, ot anything else. Islam and the language is what unites them, not the blood really. Tartars in Russia are less assimilated, and you can see their original, mongoloid phenotype easier. However, many russian tartars outside tatarstan, esp. in the cities are also quite mixed with slavic russians.

[SolntsaSvet]

finns (they lost to a great extent their original, non-europeoid phenotype), estonians (idem), Baltic peoples:latvians, lithuanians; Slavic peoples: russians, belarussians, poles, czechs, slovakians, etc; some originally celtic peoples: irishmen, scotts, welsh; some frenchmen, northern italians, spaniards, etc. I forgot about austrians and swiss, when mentioning the germanic nations, although the latter(swiss) are more heterogeneous.

[SolntsaSvet]

Now, considering the phenotype ,- external physical features,  Scandinavian is not a good term at all, rather nordic could be abetter one. And it includes peoples from different places, mainly of Germanic origin, but also those who have mixed up quite a lot with them. Ethnic Danes, Swedes, Norwegians, Faroese, Icelanders, Germans, Dutchmen, Englishmen are people where you'll find Nordic race best represented. But due to the mixtures the so called Nordic race can be found within:

[SolntsaSvet]

Do you know what a race is? There is a thing, called mongoloid race. Tartars are mongoloids. Where the hell did you find tartars were scandinavian? What do you mean by scandinavian? Scandinavians from the geographical point of view are only two: swedes and norwegians. What is understood generally under that term is a linguistic/cultural group including: danish, swedish, norwegian, faroese and icelandic languages.

[PakistanKnight]

yes I know what race is. tatars of finland and the russian federation speak a Turkic language because they were colonised by the mongols (early turks).

The mexicans in south america speak Spannish does that mean they are related to the people of spain? No. they happen to share the same language and religion with spain thats all Tatars are indiginious scandinavian SPEAKING an Altaic language.

[PakistanKnight]

What you said about the tatars in the russian federation being mixed with russians is incorrect. The tatars there do not have a slavic facial appearance. they too believed to be of Scandinvian. From what I have learned the scandinavians were colonized by the Muslim tatars much before the russians were in the 12th century.

my point is the tatars of FL and the RF are scandinavians by race. A change in their language and religion does not change their genes or race.

[PakistanKnight]

800 seems like a low number for a people spanning throught the nordic countries are you sure it's not higher?

[SolntsaSvet]

Tartars are Turkic people, just like the Mongols and the Turks in what refers to the language. The family of languages to all these is Altaic certainly. Tartars were also mainly Mongoloid, but unlike Mongols mixed up quite a lot. However it is wrong to consider them white and albeit, Scandinavian! Russians are a mixed nation. Those with predominantly Slavic genetic pool are europeoids, many/most are in between, and some are frankly mongoloid,- those who carry more of Turkic or Finnic genes.

[PakistanKnight]

you dont seem to understand that is what ive been saying they are turkic by language but in genetic terms scandinavian with alot of mongol influence. Take mexicans they are mostly a south american race SPEAKING a European language (spanish) tatars/turks are more of a linguistic gorup loke arabs. There are black arabs such as the sudanaese but there are also white arabs such as the lebanese so in short these are all linguistic groups not racial groups.

[SolntsaSvet]

The Tartars don't originate from the territory of modern Turkey, but rather from the central Asian steppes.

[PakistanKnight]

from what i've read the Tartars are a racially white,scandinavian people SPEAKING an Altaic language ofcourse many of mongolian features because they were colonzied by the mongols and speak a language related to mongolian and the same can be said for many russians who also look mongolian as they too were also colonized by the mongols