09. Philosophy - Michael Jordan Basketball Training - Conditioning&Nutrition

[moltenman010]

so what great meals were these?

[BigBen50]

Sorry Mike your GREAT, but you wanna eat 5 or 6 small meals a day.

[AxonMoses]

No way in hell that was his diet

[protofire]

When mj talks, everyone listens

[Super93Mozart]

take notes...Lebron maybe than you can in the 4 quarter

[slimpaintballer94]

i wanna dislike this just to feel unique !

[hapz3000]

holy SHIT did you guys get that??? he basically didnt know jack shit about nutrition he just made sure he ate 3 times a day...this is bad news for us because the fact that he just ate pancakes and whatever he thought was nutritional competition food and performed that well well that is proof that he had natural talent mixed in as well as daily hardcore training and dedication...also he said to push yourself every time your on the court

[AndreyPLukashuk]

@hapz3000 Trust me he ate as healthy as he could. I'm sure he chose the apple instead of tweenkey in the cabinet even though he don't know jack shit. After all he is not a nutritionist.

[SoutheGarden]

steak and potato? jordan that's bad for you, especially if you eat it before game time

[vicrobert]

@SoutheGarden 4 hours before the game. That food will be long gone.

[weedtilidiedude]

A good breakfast like Pancakes what the hell??? haha is that nutritious food for Americans?

[theprofessor23]

@weedtilidiedude -If it worked for him for many years perhaps any of us could also help us as well.

Remember... He is the GOAT*

[vleleu9]

@weedtilidiedude anyway, nobody is better than that guy !

[Cinnawarrior]

someone copied these videos

[spiritring]

Why do you think someone needs help if he can't lift something? very simple formula:

that added help from someone lifting the object let's say 100 pounds fully flat plasma tv. not only there becomes more effort from someone but also more coordination. and ultimatumly, mass is added to the help. both of them let's say would weight 240 pounds as oppose to just one of them lifting 120 pounds.

[JLeeMagnetic]

@spiritring you forgot about the core. Someone who has a strong core can use his body more efficiently than someone who just has big arms. And he may even lift more because of his stronger core. Oh and btw you don't need a big core to have a strong core. The core is actually one of the most important parts. That is another example of how i just proved you wrong again. You just sound like someone who can't accept anything other than what a text book told you.

[spiritring]

@JLeeMagnetic what text book? haha. you honestly just did not do some research and relying in your own intuitions. core is overrated. do you know that squats, lunges, even dead lifts and bench press activates the core already? i'm talking about specific core training like crunches, sit up, and dips whatever. if i could make definition on core eg obliques then that's greater than one who has lesser and still covered with fat on it cause his obliques are smaller

[JLeeMagnetic]

@spiritring Oh i used to do research all the time. The core is not overrated. You must be only obsessed with heavy weights if you say that. You need a stronge core for posture and for having a healthy back. No, the squats and bench press don't work the core much. If they did i would be sore after doing them in my core. The things that work them are leg raises. Low back is important too.

[spiritring]

@JLeeMagnetic specific core exercise are overrated as well as other specific body weight resistance exercise. usually i do single leg squats if necessary as supplement to generate specific contractions. that's about it. squats with weights, deadlifts, bench press are basic in all limit strength and force but it is the limit strength itself. even stretching is a type of mass activation training, parts that you cannot SPECIFICALLY activate by squats. Even so these are supplementary

[JLeeMagnetic]

@spiritring No for sports and life the core is so much more important than all these compound exercises. You're thinking about it from a body builder/ powerlifter standpoint. To you, everything is size. When you go to a phyical therapy clinic, they mostly have people work small muscles and the core. That is the base of the whole entire body.

[spiritring]

@JLeeMagnetic core, calves, feet, all of theme are quite smaller muscles than the prime movers which are are centered in the coordination of body. so the reason why they are larger muscles because they generate the more force and range of movement. Why do you view body builders and power lifter negatively? I am not reinforcing it to you but since you hate them, then, I say most of them actually has 30 to 35 inch standing verticals, WITHOUT training for jump which is already high.

[JLeeMagnetic]

@spiritring I don't view bodybuilders negatively, I just think that they only look at it one way. Oh come on bodybuilders in genral probably don't have very high verticals. Are you serious

[spiritring]

@JLeeMagnetic there are body builder who has high verticals. of course if you look at olympic lifter this is not uncommon. 30 - 35 inches for standing vert of a 300 pounds PLUS olympic lifter. body builders don't even use high reps of a hundred anymore. they use 20 to ten reps of ratio of force in their lift which the normal athlete couldn't even lift for one rep. i say cant even clean 50 kilo

These all goes down to lifting which is necessay

[JLeeMagnetic]

@spiritring or he needs help for added strength. Of course mass is part of the equation but you cannot tell me that two people similar size are the exact strength. If thats the case how come people smaller than me can lift more and how come people bigger than me, some of the aren't as strong? I have seen this many times with my own eye. Why have strength competions then? They should just measure instead to save the time since you know the outcome!

[spiritring]

@JLeeMagnetic you can barely write and read. of course this a complex topic but is very basic and easy concepts as well. I've mentioned something on the types of hypertrophy or mass gaining. There are only 2. You probabl know this kid already and he talks on it:

watch?v=06UH8IKQnk4&

[JLeeMagnetic]

@spiritring I can write and read, fine. That is very offensive.

[spiritring]

@JLeeMagnetic he he, try writing body builders vertical you will see some videos of body builders jumping high. i've seen it somewhere before. i can still find on one of the user names that has it favorited

[spiritring]

bigger muscles are stronger no matter what you're told

[JLeeMagnetic]

@spiritring NO. Biggger muscles have an advantage over smaller muscles to lift more weight, but are not automatically stronger. I think my way of putting it is my logical and accurate.

[spiritring]

@JLeeMagnetic lifting more weights implies strength which is the resistance the body could with hold so, you are wring. squats makes jump higher

[JLeeMagnetic]

@JesusInNike23 well jordan was one of the best athletes ever. When you look at the olympics, all of them eat a perfect diet. So therefore it is hard to believe that Jordan ate junk all the time and was one of the greatest ever.

[JLeeMagnetic]

@JesusInNike23 I doubt he ate junk food and a lot of it everyday. The media is way overblown, they see him eat something bad once and take it so serious

[JLeeMagnetic]

@JesusInNike23 Well you probably didn't each much. You ate Mcdonalds, but maybe only had small meals. If you ate more calories than you burned you would gain weight, that is a fact. Metabolism is a little bit misunderstood, metabolism only varies so much. Nobody can eat all they want, and stuff themselves like crazy and not gain weight. I think you just aren't hungry alot and think you can eat all you want, it's just that your not that hungry so you think that and dont gain

[JLeeMagnetic]

@JesusInNike23 Then how come he wasn't fat if he religiously ate mcdonalds? and how would u know if he ate mcdonalds?

[silentkiller839]

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[spiritring]

WHOOPS GOT SHORT THERE!

Bottom line is bigger muscles are stronger muscles no matter what you've been told.

let me give you analogy.

suppose 2 players are trying to lift 1000 pounds. boy C adds to the weight and able lift. it is because they add effort and mass to the force. while they all would weight about 600 pounds TOTAL. does the added weight hinder the force production. nope.

[JLeeMagnetic]

@spiritring bigger muscles are not stronger muscles. i have seen people with smaller muscles out lift people twice there size.

[spiritring]

@JLeeMagnetic oops , 1 at a time. people with muscles that lift you say? it is due to relative strength. however if i want increase my strength i will gain muscle 5 pounds, 30 pounds. it is just a fact bottom line. sometimes people can lift just by gaining coordination and other sorts of thing or twisting the nervous system but that doesn't change the fact that the size of the muscles provide greater strength. i'm not increasing the weight that i lift then i'm not getting bigger. you get?

[JLeeMagnetic]

@spiritring But that's not what i said. You can also say that someone who is taller has an advantage when playing basketball. But that doesn't mean Sean Bradley is better than Spud Webb. You can say someone taller can dunk better than someone shorter. Same thing as weight lifting. A bigger person will have an advantage but doesn't automatically make them stronger than someone smaller. Comparing 130 pounds to 300 pound person is a little extreme...

[spiritring]

@JLeeMagnetic you got it wrong. in reality someone who squats 500 pounds is WAY stronger as oppose to one who squat 100 pound because he can generate extreme level of resistance. when you are at this level the force of gravity cannot hold you the ground. you will get up. Let's say a ratio of twice own weigh squat is stronger than 1.5 times BECAUSE OF RATIO!!! No, i am not using you analogy nor implied terms like "better dunks" or "better basketball". i only say strength

[JLeeMagnetic]

@spiritring Of course someone who squats 500 is stronger than someone who squats 100. Again, though why extreme examples? Im saying just because someone has a bigger body and bigger muscles than someone else, that doesn't meant that there aren't smaller people who are stronger than them. How can i be wrong? I mean it's impossible for me to be wrong. A bigger person is not always a stronger person. Usually they are, but not always.

[spiritring]

@JLeeMagnetic let's say one who squats 600 pounds vs one who squats 800 pounds could be difficult cause those were almost significant torque and power that in reality their acceleration will took place on who's better. but you still need to gain mass regardless. weather you have advantage on other features that ARE NOT muscles such as coordination, recruitment, firing and rate of force due to nervous system etc. regardless bigger mass is stronger. force = mass multiplied by acceleration.

[JLeeMagnetic]

@spiritring on a side note, how the heck did we get into this discussion. Michael jordan is the best nba player regardless of size. I actually think body buidlers who just want to gain size don't understand that there is more to fitness and sports than weights and getting bigger. Also, i know smaller people who can lift more and beat up bigger guys, therefore they are stroner.

[spiritring]

@JLeeMagnetic once again, i did not imply the term body builders here. he is talking strength and conditioning and jump on this whole footage not just this cut. but that sure isn't the problem. you just don't know at all. basic condition: bigger muscles are stronger no matter what you are told. it doesn't matter what you observe. it just don't relate. i need to gain 30 - 50 pounds of muscle and this transfer for:

400 pounds squat, 50 inch vert, the other things you say?: boxing, mui thai

[JLeeMagnetic]

@spiritring Once again a bigger muscle is not necessarily a stronger muscle. You are telling me that every single person who has a bigger muscle than Joe XYZ is automatically stronger than him? That is insane. I think you probably have a big ego when going to the gym and probably just think size, size size. I have seen smaller guys outlift big guys. So you're just flat out wrong. I can't get it in your head, you have no common sense.

[spiritring]

@JLeeMagnetic joe xyz could be 180 pounds and be stronger than joe elite at 210 in some areas of strength such as acceleration, vertical and power. but if you think how big 180 pounds already is. i will now quote the term body building for the very first time as you yearned:

the advanced 5'10" body builders weights 180 pounds. Do you know who's 180 pounds in nba? Nate the bench player great. you see, you are misleading the normal athlete of information. 180 is already big in natural bb stands.

[JLeeMagnetic]

@spiritring I don't even know what you're talking about. So some weight 180 and some weight 201, what does that have to do with anything?

[JLeeMagnetic]

@spiritring A bigger muscle is not a stronger muscle, A stronger muscle is a stronger muscle. It's about the density and the muscle fiber, not the size. Usually a bigger muscle is stronger, not always. I believe Franco Colombu outbenched Arnold. Now you can get into the fact that Franco has a shorter range, etc... But just because someone has a 20 inch arm, doesn't mean there aren't people with 19 inch arms who are stronger, more powerful, bench more. How could that be wrong? it cant be.

[spiritring]

@JLeeMagnetic yes stronger muscles are stronger like saying that time is time is redundant. but bigger muscles are stronger. it's size determine strength. you probably heard about this. on a 30 inch quads vs 18 inch quads, who wins? i say what really happens ones size grows the muscles just produce more force than before. the threshold that grows by are more likely to be the fast twitch. that;s right. u don't know about franco or body builders

[JLeeMagnetic]

@spiritring No bigger muscles are not stronger. Size doesn't determine strength, it's just one of many factors. A chimpanzee is probably stronger than a human. Also weight of a muscle is different than just size of a muscle too. Why are you comparing 30 to 18? Why not compare 30 to 28, the 28 might be stronger.

[spiritring]

@JLeeMagnetic i'll take this one first:

30 vs 28 you say? you are fully ignorant yet. as far as i'm concerned there are 2 types of mass, sarco myric vs sarcoplasmic. bottom line is that both mass GAIN is beneficial. the much more beneficial for strength is SARCO- myric but is not that much source of mass gaining. In the long run, the SARCOPLASMIC mass is more beneficial.

[spiritring]

@JLeeMagnetic do you really thing a 130 pounds average lifter could out lift a 300 pounds olympic lifter?

in most instances, your example doesn't apply. an athlete who had had trained to die for 800 pounds squat IS and will always be close to 230 - 250. heck they should be at 300 pounds. every one will gain fat while adding mass. why then in MOST instances, your examples does not fit? it is simple because you cannot imply such absolute to debunk another neutral fact:

bigger muscles are

[hOtSaUz3]

STEAK AND POTATOES huh.... Hmm would of never guessed it... Looks like i better stock up on steaks n potatoes next time i go grocery shoppin!

[TrueHeroUnderGod89]

Only Michael Jordan can have steak and potatoes before a basketball game. Sounds like a pregame coma for me hahaha

[spiritring]

don't listen to this idiot. he know nothing. 3 meals a day doesn't develop anabolic state which is essential to gaining mass or losing fat. follow 6 meals a day.

protein whey shake mix with crushed up oat meal in the morning, stake and potata, creatine, protein bars at noon, chicken fried rice, stake and potata.

[hmz28]

@spiritring  lol

[popeyeisgood]

@spiritring

such a smart ass. did he say that all his workout routine is about gaining mass retard? he is a basketball player he works out his muscle for gaining efficiency during the game. you dont know dick and pretend to be expert. for starter jordan's body fat % was extremely low when he started pro, it was under 5%. losing fat was never his problem. go ahead eat six meals a day and try to play with those nba players see how much you can suck your own dick.

[spiritring]

@popeyeisgood boohoo! did i ever try to get to nba. nope i only spend normal time with my girlfriends or ex girlfriends! no try. these clowns I KNOW was not that big and were zombies in high school! 180 pounds for 6'5"? you got even 6 footers who weight 350 pounds and still is fast as lightning when they clean a puny weight say 200 kilo.

I mean flat out you know nothing. muscle does provide strength, jump, quickness. don't listen to stereo types cause that truth is and bottom line:

conti

[popeyeisgood]

@spiritring

what you wrote are all from fitness magazine. i have seen tons of them. no need for another parrot to act like a smart ass.

this video is about jordan's way of conditioning himself to play basketball not gaining muscle. you obviously know nothing about basketball since more muscle is not the only reason to make you a better player. all you talk about is to gain weight and all that. i highly doubt that any nba player is doing 6 meal routine.

[popeyeisgood]

@popeyeisgood

i promise you that 6 meal routine will not give out enough energy for a a player like him to play the way he plays the game. if you want to show off your cool 'unheard' knowledge of gaining muscle just go to those fitness video and talk about it. not here dumb fuck.

[popeyeisgood]

of course these video of mj are borderline too over generalizing. but first off all he has never been a fitness trainer, secondly, he simply doesnt need a crazy diet like all you fanatic muscle builders to get into his body shape because of his gifted body and stamina. if muscle does make you a better bball player, how come none of those body builders are in nba now? again this video is about basketball and his personal routine not your smart ass copy/paste fitness guideline.

[spiritring]

@popeyeisgood oh you meant the 6 time meal. basically you should understand that jordan is a simpleton. second it isn't hard to repeatedly wash the brain of your brain washing that 6 times a day generates constant energy and your body is on state known and had been always known as anabolic state. it is used by every trainee who had gone from being an average or even BELOW averahe to the pro levels such as what you call jordan whatever had you sucking cocks.

[spiritring]

@popeyeisgood what magazine what? which one did i talk. i never knew a coincidence such that my words would appear on magazine rofl,

i should have not known anything about basketball but that doesn't mean that i don't know shit about overall strength, jumping ability and all.

Cause the other things you say is UNNECESSARY.

First no, all the gains you would get without gaining mass are all newbie. coordination, efficiency appears INITIALLY either cause you're weak or lack it

[CompComedy]

Stretching, basketball, stretching, sprints, weights, basketball, sprints, stretching, sprints, weights, sprints.

[Vip3rC4in0022]

@CompComedy dont forget Steak and patada

[MrGuitaristMatt]

His body doesn't move an inch the entire video

[giugnhgbvinierngvb89]

3 meals? thats old news...

[guiwildcard]

The best ever

[Donte821]

I wouldn't think he would eat that before a game

[TheFallen8v]

@Donte821 he said 4 hours before game time

[20Devin11]

mmmm steak and potatos that sounds good

[BLACKGOKU23]

the greatest has spoken again :)

[rumrumtanneo]

steak and potatoes omg

[JammersEntertainment]

ROFL

[dazzitboy]

where's this from?

[recniabsal]

Note has been taken. Not for basketball though. Bull Riding.

[caidianjohnson]

... *takes notes* ...

[BeAnBeAn22]

@juliano089 lol

[domedeed1]

He is the man

[Ghostkid202]

Got it.

[flickgboards]

Damn! sick how M.J. shares his Wisdom.

[badassboy99]

ty for posting! keep'm coming!