I also play bone dry, I´m a beginner and I can play very high that way... but I guess thats not very good in terms of flexibilty. What I figured out so far is that I create friction between the dry lips and the pitch goes up. Im trying to figure out now how to play "normal" . Did you make any progress?
As a trumpet major I say you think too much. Just play. Don't worry about wet or dry. Do what sounds the best. Go only by sound. If anyone disagrees then they have no clue what they're talking about. Go by sound. Experiment until you achieve a great sound.
I play dry. But when it comes to peddle notes I tend to use a little moisture. It sounded like you had a little trouble with the peddles, so maybe try wetting your lips when you get to them? Haha I've been playing for 4 years now, how long have you been playing?
For me I can make a super clean sound dry but I can't sustain it for a long period of time and it's just much easier to play wet. Then again I'm really beginner so idk how much my opinion counts haha.
ive never heard of the "oil" on the lips for playing. i figured trumpet players should be good enough not to need it. hard work, and a daily fill of persistent practice is the best and should be the ONLY way of producing the upper register. if you cant do it with out these "magic oils" that just means you need to practice more.
That being said playing without oil/moisture tends to be a detriment for this set up. I've actually not heard of anyone playing without oil but heres the problem with dry lips. As you start to put more and more work on the chops, pressure or no, dry lips can lead to a lot of sores. On top of that you would have to do a lot of work to keep your lips moisture free during a long gig. It just seems a bit hard to keep a moisture/oil free set when you can find ways to work with it.
Ok here's my thoughts. If you're mouthpiece is sliding around on your chops when you are playing it means you are playing with minimal to no pressure. I'm not going to tell you that you are doing it right or wrong without pressure, but as a professional trumpet working his way up the circuit I have seen varying degrees of success for people with lots to no pressure. I personally like to keep a medium seal of pressure. This allows you to stay firm on the embouchre without beating up your lips
I play baritone im not sure if its any different on trumbet but i find when i play dry i get a more clean round sound and also my range is a little larger.
Blessing B-125... No oil on the valves. thats how my father played brass his whole life, and thats how i play. Spit is an excellent lubricant. Just clean often.
use more upper lip in the pedal tones. Real loose (no pressure) and lots of air. I go wet. I'm not under the impression that oil really effects the playing so much.
yeah i defintely play wet. my main instrument is saxophone so i'm used to keeping a reed good and wet. and when i switched to trumpet for drum corp it was just natural to play with wet lips. so thats what i do and it works just fine
I have never heard of this. Everyone is different. Have you talked to a teacher about this? Maybe at some point you should see a doctor, but first discuss it with a teacher. I dunno; you're young; maybe it's hormonal changes you will grow out of. In any case, best wishes, and stick with it.
Another thing; maybe you're reacting to the metal in your mpc and should try one made of something else.
Playing Oil Free can be damaging your your Embouchure. The majority of people play with wet lips. The instructor I have up here, Tom Strait plays with wet lips and has never talked about Oil Free. I believe Oil Free is pretty much something you've just made up. It'd be best to stick with traditional trumpet playing.
@duckboy727 yup, it was something I made up, that's why i was wondering if anyone else does it. i weaned myself off it, and now i'm playing as wet as i can.
i'm sure you don't mean to play with oil, but there is always natural oil in your skin and what i mean by 'oil free' is that i used soap and water to remove the oil from my lips every time i played. that was what i did for maybe six months until i decided it was probably just a crutch i was using so that my mouthpiece didn't slip around while i played. I play normally now and even a little wet.
i play on a denis wick 3b, and yamaha maestro b flat cornet. i play wet. i've never heard of "oil free" . i play wet because it helps in my tone production and also making the mouthpiece comfortable on my lips. do you have any information on the oil free (i guess) technique?
This applies to almost every note anywhere, always make sure to use your whole stomach and chest to fill with air (fil from stomach first) and start from C above Middle C and do one octave arpeggios down, taking breaks in betwen and refilling and go down chromatically till the last note on pedal C. making sure to crescendo down wards.
hey to help you with centering on that pedal C, make sure to sustain and push through air at first (when practicing) and dont be afraid to go loud and when you have it down pat (all the time) try and bring down the volume wile keeping the fullness and colour bright.
Check out the Maggio Method. I've been pro for a few years now and only 5 months ago was introduced to this method - changed my playing tremendously. I used to play dry and play wet now. Pedal tones are the best way to centre and balance your embochure. If you do them properly you won't have to worry about the mpc slipping when you play. Play pedal notes with proper fingering, when you can play pedal C open with a full sound you'll notice a big difference. Approach Pedals from the octave above.
i've been told that by my trumpet teacher, and i almost didn't trust him even though he's a beast. I must ask: was it difficult for you to use the correct fingerings for pedal C down to pedal G#?
why pedal C to pedal G♯?? if you play start long notes; C (3rd space) G E C, then B F♯ D♯ B, work your way down, when you get to F and below, use correct fingering, may sound crap at first or the notes might not speak, keep at it. you'll find it ok down to C♯. But to get the pedal C with open fingering, it will only come with time, patience and practice, but it will come - trust me. Try and get the maggio lessons I, II and III
those pedal tones are a waste of time my friend. Trying to find pitches for slurs and exercises is futile AND pointless. There is no music that should take you out of the intended range of the instrument. Low F# is it, and the sky is the limit up top
well, "my friend" pedal tones are the basis of "the sky"
Yes, some can play up there without the pedal tones, but for a majority, as i recall, pedal tones are the start.
I understand what you're saying, and there really is no point in learning to play all the way down there, but it really helps with the upper register set-up.
it's just something i made up. i was frustrated that my mouthpiece was slipping around on my embouchure, so i washed my lips with soap before playing to reduce lubricating facial oils. i've stopped now, and i play dry, but the oil free phase of playing lasted for several months for me.
i used to play dry during high school because i felt i had more control in my higher register. I then realized that i needed to do that because of lack of real technique. Get those pedal notes better by loosening up your lips, you play very tight which causes your lips to not be able to vibrate, vibration is key to making a beautiful sound.
Oil is a terrible idea. Your emboucher should be free of any sweat or grease. Play on with your own spit and not dry; dry it might be easier for some losers to play higher because they stretch their lips which is also a very begginer (or many people in marching bands do all sorts of bad crap).
Oh, heres a tip; learn to play loud (with a lot of control) withing the lower register like below C and you can have much more control over the higher ranges.
I know of very few people who clean their skin of oils before they play. If he's calling someone who plays dry a loser, he is obviously very, very amateur. I used to play dry, but now realized that I get a much more fluid tone and generally sound better wet. Also, overblowing in any range will not help your high register. If anything soft practice will teach you to focus your aperture in order to control the upper register. Keep playing!
It seems like you want a grip on the mouthpiece at all times. I am the same way but what you're doing is unnessary. You should try looking into a mouthpiece with more bite on the rim. Curry makes good mouthpieces for this and also try getting use to a little wetness. I don't wet my entire lip but enough to get a solid buzz while retaining a grip on the horn. Along with this, everthing that jazzmangiant said, I agree with.
I am a trumpet player with the standard wet playing. The problem with your method is that when you have to play a long 2-4 hour gig one day, you can't bring soap and water on the bandstand with you. Try the wet lips approach. To the majority of trumpet players, it is the simplest easiest way to play. It'll seem different at first, but you will get used to it, and It will help. work on lots of long tones to keep the pinching to a minimum. Its all about the air moving ---> forward
hey, i normally play with dry lips but while playing they get wet but as long as i keep playing that deosnt really matter. when i stop i normally dry them again... but i dont think that that matters alot to how you play...
Not bad but it sounds like your pinching your lips too, and I play with dryer lips and i can't play with wet lips, and i don't wash my mouthpiece before or during a playing session i just pick it up and play, sounds like a waste you should figure out wat works best for you everyone's mouths are different.
I also play bone dry, I´m a beginner and I can play very high that way... but I guess thats not very good in terms of flexibilty. What I figured out so far is that I create friction between the dry lips and the pitch goes up. Im trying to figure out now how to play "normal" . Did you make any progress?
Pinsel486 5 days ago
As a trumpet major I say you think too much. Just play. Don't worry about wet or dry. Do what sounds the best. Go only by sound. If anyone disagrees then they have no clue what they're talking about. Go by sound. Experiment until you achieve a great sound.
jhknight17 4 months ago
I play dry. But when it comes to peddle notes I tend to use a little moisture. It sounded like you had a little trouble with the peddles, so maybe try wetting your lips when you get to them? Haha I've been playing for 4 years now, how long have you been playing?
brittany1bammann 4 months ago
For me I can make a super clean sound dry but I can't sustain it for a long period of time and it's just much easier to play wet. Then again I'm really beginner so idk how much my opinion counts haha.
givemsmthn2tlkabout 8 months ago
ive never heard of the "oil" on the lips for playing. i figured trumpet players should be good enough not to need it. hard work, and a daily fill of persistent practice is the best and should be the ONLY way of producing the upper register. if you cant do it with out these "magic oils" that just means you need to practice more.
ThatTumpetGuy 1 year ago
Well... I hate to tell you but that was kinda nasty
Super3794 1 year ago
Lets all talk about moist or dry lips... w00t???
TVMAN1112 1 year ago 2
That being said playing without oil/moisture tends to be a detriment for this set up. I've actually not heard of anyone playing without oil but heres the problem with dry lips. As you start to put more and more work on the chops, pressure or no, dry lips can lead to a lot of sores. On top of that you would have to do a lot of work to keep your lips moisture free during a long gig. It just seems a bit hard to keep a moisture/oil free set when you can find ways to work with it.
heypepper 1 year ago
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heypepper 1 year ago
Ok here's my thoughts. If you're mouthpiece is sliding around on your chops when you are playing it means you are playing with minimal to no pressure. I'm not going to tell you that you are doing it right or wrong without pressure, but as a professional trumpet working his way up the circuit I have seen varying degrees of success for people with lots to no pressure. I personally like to keep a medium seal of pressure. This allows you to stay firm on the embouchre without beating up your lips
heypepper 1 year ago
I play baritone im not sure if its any different on trumbet but i find when i play dry i get a more clean round sound and also my range is a little larger.
deathsayin 1 year ago
i think its best to get out of a dry habbit and do wet. whaats oil free?
gayhorseseathaaay 1 year ago
Lol I have now switched since my last post I now play a king silver flair.
xGoDxAkUmAx 1 year ago
Blessing Ml-1G oiled Lead Jazz Trumpet.
xGoDxAkUmAx 2 years ago
Blessing B-125... No oil on the valves. thats how my father played brass his whole life, and thats how i play. Spit is an excellent lubricant. Just clean often.
Transane 2 years ago
use more upper lip in the pedal tones. Real loose (no pressure) and lots of air. I go wet. I'm not under the impression that oil really effects the playing so much.
fighterace0 2 years ago
yeah i defintely play wet. my main instrument is saxophone so i'm used to keeping a reed good and wet. and when i switched to trumpet for drum corp it was just natural to play with wet lips. so thats what i do and it works just fine
23killswitchengage 2 years ago
NEEEXXT!!!
Burgez 2 years ago
I have never heard of this. Everyone is different. Have you talked to a teacher about this? Maybe at some point you should see a doctor, but first discuss it with a teacher. I dunno; you're young; maybe it's hormonal changes you will grow out of. In any case, best wishes, and stick with it.
Another thing; maybe you're reacting to the metal in your mpc and should try one made of something else.
bixntram 2 years ago
whats the song you were playing in the begining
HnEhonda 2 years ago
@HnEhonda Shenandoah. My band played this last year in concert season. It's amazing.
TrumpetHero11 1 year ago
i thought it was hey jude, lol
HnEhonda 1 year ago
Typically dry, wet slides too much for me. But a little bit to keep em from flaking.
jordandetz 2 years ago
Playing Oil Free can be damaging your your Embouchure. The majority of people play with wet lips. The instructor I have up here, Tom Strait plays with wet lips and has never talked about Oil Free. I believe Oil Free is pretty much something you've just made up. It'd be best to stick with traditional trumpet playing.
duckboy727 2 years ago
@duckboy727 yup, it was something I made up, that's why i was wondering if anyone else does it. i weaned myself off it, and now i'm playing as wet as i can.
trump3t 2 years ago
@trump3t That's good you did. That was detrimental in the long run.
DocMcFluhry 2 years ago
@duckboy727 I put the horn to my face, no licking, no moisture other than that generated from playing with a warm airstream. Never had a problem.
conorJones 1 year ago
Just so you know i definitely dont use any oil when i play..and to be honest i've never heard of anyone who does play with oil.
little05dawg 2 years ago
i'm sure you don't mean to play with oil, but there is always natural oil in your skin and what i mean by 'oil free' is that i used soap and water to remove the oil from my lips every time i played. that was what i did for maybe six months until i decided it was probably just a crutch i was using so that my mouthpiece didn't slip around while i played. I play normally now and even a little wet.
trump3t 2 years ago
Yea i dont wash my lips before i play lol. But yea everyone i know plays normal.
little05dawg 2 years ago
when you get down to the pedal tones open your jaw like a shit ton, then use A LOT of air!!!
but yeah i have those days too =/
oh! and to what that SJAzz guy was saying, the pedal tones DEFINITELY help your range!! like, no joke.
betterthaneddie 2 years ago
i play the trumpet and can play realy good in high school jazz band and i play dry
broncosnasa81 2 years ago
help me out here, wats oil?
mmaggio92 2 years ago
i play on a denis wick 3b, and yamaha maestro b flat cornet. i play wet. i've never heard of "oil free" . i play wet because it helps in my tone production and also making the mouthpiece comfortable on my lips. do you have any information on the oil free (i guess) technique?
CornetHornet 2 years ago
oh and i play with oil and licking my lips now and then, helps me to increase the speed of vibration for my lips... :D
Hillzy8593 2 years ago
This applies to almost every note anywhere, always make sure to use your whole stomach and chest to fill with air (fil from stomach first) and start from C above Middle C and do one octave arpeggios down, taking breaks in betwen and refilling and go down chromatically till the last note on pedal C. making sure to crescendo down wards.
Hillzy8593 2 years ago
hey to help you with centering on that pedal C, make sure to sustain and push through air at first (when practicing) and dont be afraid to go loud and when you have it down pat (all the time) try and bring down the volume wile keeping the fullness and colour bright.
Hillzy8593 2 years ago
very poor :((
stefano2452 2 years ago
Check out the Maggio Method. I've been pro for a few years now and only 5 months ago was introduced to this method - changed my playing tremendously. I used to play dry and play wet now. Pedal tones are the best way to centre and balance your embochure. If you do them properly you won't have to worry about the mpc slipping when you play. Play pedal notes with proper fingering, when you can play pedal C open with a full sound you'll notice a big difference. Approach Pedals from the octave above.
doctpt 2 years ago
i've been told that by my trumpet teacher, and i almost didn't trust him even though he's a beast. I must ask: was it difficult for you to use the correct fingerings for pedal C down to pedal G#?
trump3t 2 years ago
why pedal C to pedal G♯?? if you play start long notes; C (3rd space) G E C, then B F♯ D♯ B, work your way down, when you get to F and below, use correct fingering, may sound crap at first or the notes might not speak, keep at it. you'll find it ok down to C♯. But to get the pedal C with open fingering, it will only come with time, patience and practice, but it will come - trust me. Try and get the maggio lessons I, II and III
doctpt 2 years ago
those pedal tones are a waste of time my friend. Trying to find pitches for slurs and exercises is futile AND pointless. There is no music that should take you out of the intended range of the instrument. Low F# is it, and the sky is the limit up top
enlitened1234 2 years ago
well, "my friend" pedal tones are the basis of "the sky"
Yes, some can play up there without the pedal tones, but for a majority, as i recall, pedal tones are the start.
I understand what you're saying, and there really is no point in learning to play all the way down there, but it really helps with the upper register set-up.
gi1237 2 years ago
sure, you won't find any music with anything lower than an F#, but pedal tones help by relaxing your chops and essentially building your range.
SJAzz92 2 years ago
tha klasei apo to zori tou
gofiis 2 years ago
What is oil free playing?
maynardwaltrip 2 years ago
it's just something i made up. i was frustrated that my mouthpiece was slipping around on my embouchure, so i washed my lips with soap before playing to reduce lubricating facial oils. i've stopped now, and i play dry, but the oil free phase of playing lasted for several months for me.
trump3t 2 years ago
I used to play wet now I play dry. There is some stuff in the Dave Hickman Pedagogy book about that.
Cool shot at 3:40
gestrumpet 2 years ago
Thanks! Good news: I'm proud to say that I have weaned myself of oil free playing since june!! I'll have another video soon!
trump3t 2 years ago
i used to play dry during high school because i felt i had more control in my higher register. I then realized that i needed to do that because of lack of real technique. Get those pedal notes better by loosening up your lips, you play very tight which causes your lips to not be able to vibrate, vibration is key to making a beautiful sound.
yomkool123 2 years ago
Oil is a terrible idea. Your emboucher should be free of any sweat or grease. Play on with your own spit and not dry; dry it might be easier for some losers to play higher because they stretch their lips which is also a very begginer (or many people in marching bands do all sorts of bad crap).
Oh, heres a tip; learn to play loud (with a lot of control) withing the lower register like below C and you can have much more control over the higher ranges.
jerec576 2 years ago
i'll take your advice about the volume very seriously, that'll be my next priority. what do you mean when you say that stretching your lips is bad?
trump3t 2 years ago
This Jerec kid doesn't make much sense.
I know of very few people who clean their skin of oils before they play. If he's calling someone who plays dry a loser, he is obviously very, very amateur. I used to play dry, but now realized that I get a much more fluid tone and generally sound better wet. Also, overblowing in any range will not help your high register. If anything soft practice will teach you to focus your aperture in order to control the upper register. Keep playing!
HerberttheHisser 2 years ago
It seems like you want a grip on the mouthpiece at all times. I am the same way but what you're doing is unnessary. You should try looking into a mouthpiece with more bite on the rim. Curry makes good mouthpieces for this and also try getting use to a little wetness. I don't wet my entire lip but enough to get a solid buzz while retaining a grip on the horn. Along with this, everthing that jazzmangiant said, I agree with.
Jazzfreak251 2 years ago
it's interesting you say i should get a rim with more bite because that's what i did about two weeks ago. thanks for the comment!
trump3t 2 years ago
whats oil free?
Dudesinm 2 years ago
I am a trumpet player with the standard wet playing. The problem with your method is that when you have to play a long 2-4 hour gig one day, you can't bring soap and water on the bandstand with you. Try the wet lips approach. To the majority of trumpet players, it is the simplest easiest way to play. It'll seem different at first, but you will get used to it, and It will help. work on lots of long tones to keep the pinching to a minimum. Its all about the air moving ---> forward
jazzmangiant 2 years ago
nice chops bud! we oughta jam some time.
andrewfiskmusic 2 years ago
hey, i normally play with dry lips but while playing they get wet but as long as i keep playing that deosnt really matter. when i stop i normally dry them again... but i dont think that that matters alot to how you play...
Vonjork 2 years ago
Not bad but it sounds like your pinching your lips too, and I play with dryer lips and i can't play with wet lips, and i don't wash my mouthpiece before or during a playing session i just pick it up and play, sounds like a waste you should figure out wat works best for you everyone's mouths are different.
selector111 3 years ago
...what exactly do you mean??
RozP89 3 years ago
I use soap to get rid of the oil on my lips so the mouthpiece doesn't slip around.
trump3t 3 years ago