SITESWAP BASICS juggling tutorial (part 2)

[MYBOOKROOM]

I'm a beginner juggler (a 3 ball cascade is about it for now), I started learning when I was 58 and this site is sooo coool. I've learned so much. The notation is so like dance notation that it's very understandable. I want to learn the 3 ball shower pattern next. Love these videos. Next time the grand kids come over guess who the favorite grandparent will be. :-)

[bloonmasterjuggling]

"is that siteswap notation is f--king awesome!"

[SylvainBerube]

@JugglingTricks Very good presentation of the siteswap notation.

I am a mathematical teacher, and last year I had the opportunity to give mathematical workshop about this notation. There is a lot of fun to have with it, such as proving which sequences of numbers produce a valid juggling pattern, or the number of balls needed to perform such a valid sequences.

Keep the good work, I really enjoy your videos.

[exhausted2212]

thank you very much and I agree it is $%#! awesome but i have 4 questions.

1)How do you write what hand to throw(like in [34] and [33])

2)How do you write fountain.

3)How do you write when to switch hand(like in your other video five cool 423 variations).

4)How come you dont have a lot of views.

thanks and I hope you answer fast :D

[esquimalt1]

dude i love you

[RehenNodrog]

thank you for the very clear and understandable tutorial! i think I have a basic understanding of the system now. except, i don't understand its usefulness. most of the things audiences pick up on the most, body throws, different catches, stuff like that, are things siteswap can't describe. all the most visually interesting patterns need to be seen to be understood. what's the point of it all?

[JugglingTricks]

@RehenNodrog (part 1) After the discovery of siteswap notation, using computers to generate all possible patterns gave jugglers a chance to see/learn patterns that might never have been discovered otherwise. Most of these patterns are not "crowd-pleasers" and unfortunately they all look almost identical to the average non-juggler. Some patterns are downright ugly, but some jugglers (such as myself) enjoy juggling them just for the personal challenge. (continued)

[JugglingTricks]

@RehenNodrog (part 2) Very few performers incorporate complex siteswap patterns in their performance routines, because only certain jugglers can appreciate/understand them. Aside from basic patterns, general audiences are usually only impressed by siteswaps that are easy to follow, such as 97531, or anything with a high throw like 7333, 94444, etc.etc... (continued)

[JugglingTricks]

@RehenNodrog (part 3) Siteswap notation is also useful for describing certain tricks, such as 423 with the 3 as a backcross, or 744 with the 4s as shoulder throws. Otherwise all of these variations would have to have their own names which would get waaay too confusing to communicate these variations to other jugglers. Hope that helps! (end, damn character limit)

[RehenNodrog]

@JugglingTricks very much! thank you

[Juggler1711]

why is no throw considered a 2?

[JugglingTricks]

@Juggler1711 Technically, a 2 is a 2-beat throw that is *usually* held and not thrown. 2s can be thrown, dropped, kicked, whatever... as long as they end up in the same hand 2 beats later. I explained it the way I did in the video to make it easier to understand for beginners. Watch my recent tutorial titled "five cool 423 variations" to see a few examples of some patterns where the 2s are thrown in creative ways.

[Juggler1711]

@JugglingTricks checked out the video and i understand much better now. Its also a cool video and im gonna try to learn some of those tricks haha

[Rhysbradbury]

why do you make juggling look so easy

[flyingddiabolos]

i think i found a mistake in the siteswap notation system at the siteswap 441, i can do it as 4(1x,4) i dont see any other way to discribe this pattern as i do wich can't sayed by you and the jugglinglab. what do you think?

[JugglingTricks]

@flyingddiabolos I understand what you mean, but trust me, there are no mistakes in siteswap notation. It can all be proven mathematically. You are probably thinking of a sync pattern very similar to the async 441 pattern.

[lucasgabd]

thanks!

[mikehennellyh]

one thing that link didnt explain is how to make your own patterns from siteswap... the rule is for example if i was doing a three ball cascade 333 if you add them all up 3+3+3 = 9 and then get the mean 9/3 = 3 that is the number of balls to juggle... another rule is siteswap patterns cant go down by 1 number eg. 987654321 but its able to go up by numbers 23456, so if you make your own pattern say 342533421 = 27/9 = 3 ball juggling pattern

[SheepFreak2]

@mikehennellyh

you could go down in numbers if u catch 2 balls in the same hand. its like a reversed multiplex throw, what i like to call a fusion throw. but i dunno if theres an offical name for such nonsense ^^

[mikehennellyh]

@SheepFreak2 the official name for such nonsense is called a 'squeeze'

[ilamchen]

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was so frustrated of not understanding what the numbers mean!!!! This is the most useful explanation video I've ever seen! Thank you!

[poorkingz]

The video description box is actually below you XD

[poorkingz]

The video description box is actually below you XD

[5bJuggla]

So. Let me just see.. Siteswap cannot tell you how many balls are being juggled right? Could you not do a 53 with both 3 balls and 4 balls? Or are you gonna say that with 3b it would be a 523 because of the pause. Am i getting this or not? Ahhhhhh

[YoungerCsillagpor]

You're the best teacher .=)

[strivin4him]

This still confuses me but the more I listen to it the more it makes sense. Thanks for your help at WJF.

Alex Wallenda

[MindaugasHW]

thanks

[SAGEmovieproductions]

Thanks for these tutorials! They're great! The mysterious numbers never made sense until now.

[kzSoUlFaThEr]

so funny i wish i had seen this a bit earlier

[ukens1]

sorry for being a bitch, but when you did the 33 [33] i'd say you did a 4x4x[4x4x]

[JugglingTricks]

I think you meant to write (4x,2)([22],4x)([4x4x],2)*

that would be the proper notation for a synchronous version of 33[33]

[ukens1]

yes, i'm new with this stuff

[sharki11]

Hey how do you calculate synchronous and multiplex throws in siteswaps? If you could give me a link explaining it or even explain it yourself it would help a lot. Thanks :D!

Nice Tutorials btw especially on the 3 ball shower xD

[JugglingTricks]

calculate? I'm not quite sure what you mean by that...

[Capricornwhite]

@JugglingTricks i would go with [53] and said "fifty three" [4x,4x] implies it's a syncronious pattern, when cascade isn't. but different people have different versions of siteswaps anyway, just like there's difference in opinion on what classifies as qualifying a pattern

[trebliWsaaM]

haha i love the last part

another importan thing to now is tha siteswap notation is f@cking awsome :P

i could lissen to it for hours

[rwrusselljr]

Wow, thanks a whole lot for these two videos. I reread JIS siteswaps a bunch of times and couldn't get past the "call a throw an N if while that ball is in the air, N-1 other throws occur." Taken literally, a 51 which is a 3 ball shower needs to have 5 balls, which it doesn't hence my confusion. Applying your descriptions to the info on the site makes everything fall into place. Thanks much.

[BruceBoppoTiemann]

If you throw a 5, it means you have time to deal with four other beats before that ball lands and needs to be dealt with again, on the fifth beat after you threw the 5. Those four beats could be four other balls, in which case you're doing 5, but it could also be four beats doing anything else.

[puderjunge]

I like the ending, especially!

[trebliWsaaM]

yeah siteswaps are awsome!!!!!

[drago3162]

HAHA love the ending :) i dont understand why you say on your channel not to sunscribe.. people should get this information on juggling like me :)

[calestar17]

xD =))))) easyist trick 40 and 42 =))) it's realy simple 40 but 42 realy haaarrrdd !

[BewareTheChuck]

WOW! That helped a lot! I'm already enjoying siteswap!

[chasejuggler]

Hey man!

You beat me to it! I'd still like to have a really in depth series of videos that explain it, and I think this is a great foundation for it. Maybe we can make a set of topics, and assign some of them to you and some of them to me, and post them all under this name so that they're all in the same place.

My video editing skills suck, so mine wouldn't be as good as this. I'd probably just make signs while shooting the actual video and hold them up to show the siteswap lol.

[JugglingTricks]

yeah, this is just a basic intro to siteswaps. I wanted to do some more in-depth siteswap tutorials, but I'm not really sure there is a need for them. Most people who are interested in siteswap will probably figure out everything they need to know on their own. You should still do some tutorials on siteswap though! you are like the siteswap master, I would love to see a tutorial from you!

[yamahaducks]

thanks so much dude this helped alot

[lzileri]

i love when you say... oh no! they can hear my thoughts... RUN AWAY.

I wish i had seen this video when i didn't know about siteswaps :/ too late, i suppose.

[desideratoRdam]

brilliant sideswap tutorialI'm finally beginning to see the fun of it thanx to you!!! love the ending!!!

[xReStecP]

i got a challenge... maybe you can do it!

4 balls. in left hand do fountain, in right hand do reverse fountain or columns.

it would look so cool!!!

[thegoheads]

yeah I can do that. It's a really good practice drill too!

[schnitzlsemml]

the last 30 seconds were awesome!

[ciabsoc]

hey these videos were great man! really helped me understand it!

[gebboo]

very well done, hope it will help some people understanding siteswap.

Good job

[jugglingfreakozoid]

haha just kidding

i had nothing to say

[Cellozawsome]

441 can be the box trick

[theGEEKS8]

no it cant because it is a syncronise pattern it is (4,2x)(2x,4) 441 is asyncronise

[jugglingfreakozoid]

i am so angry

[thegoheads]

wha?

[JugglerJTW]

This is an extremely helpful video, thanks!

[NathanMcScary]

Very informative.

[eMretsiM]

Excellent videos! I was in fact planning on making a siteswap tutorial, but you've beaten me to it.

One thing I would have added is that the total of the numbers in a siteswap, divided by the period, is equal to the number of props juggled in the pattern. Sounds complicated but an example would be:

Siteswap 645:

6 + 4 + 5 = 15

25 / 3 = 5 because it's a 5 prop pattern.

If the total divided by the period doesn't equal a whole number, the pattern isn't possible.

[eMretsiM]

OMG MATH OVERLOAD

But yeah, this is how I've figured out all those crazy siteswaps in your other videos ;)

[thegoheads]

I had planned on explaining all that in this video, but I determined it would make the video too long. I will probably make another video about all that... eventually.

You should still make a siteswap tutorial! as far as I know this is the first one on youtube and it wouldn't hurt to have another!

[Draitube]

Very helpful!

I will practice this today!

-admiring and anonymous admirer

[thegoheads]

you're a weirdo haha

[PreviousBMC]

You should be a math teacher

[jamc999]

great video really helpful.btw why your right hand is higher than the left while you doin box(I think it is about 5 ball shower:))

[JugglingTricks]

yeah, my box pattern is screwed up... I don't practice it much. It's because I'm so used to doing showers with my left hand i think

[jamc999]

you doin 7-8 balls.I don't think anyone cares if you do the box sloppy lol