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  • BEWARE of their JOKE! They are losers and liars. People at the "Christian Healing Forum" site will make you feel cheap inspite of their own sins that they're trying to hide. It's leaders are the opposite of being loving and believe they are better than the common people who seek their help. I don't know how they think they can help minister healing when they indeed hate so much. Stay away if you don't want to get REALLY hurt, and NEVER tell them anything personal about yourself!

  • I wonder why these guys bother to claim they believe or read the Bible when they parrot the devil.

  • I believe in divine healing because is biblical, Why people show up ?is because

    there is a lot of people in need of healing!

  • The real link between many evangelicals and the cults is Premillennialism a futurist way to interpret Bible Prophecy that the Reformers and Puritans mostly rejected. Many of the prophecies in the BIble were fulfilled in AD70 John Owen saw this and knew this, but that viewpoint doesn't sell. The futurism of prophecies already fulfilled leads to cultic activities. This 1000 years they all look for, is what they hold in common with so many today.

  • False religions have always carried occultic practices. From the OT to mystery religions, to new religions, demons exist. The Antichrist will also perform false miracles (2 Thess 2:2-12). At the end of the day...what is the christian life? Why Paul did not heal more people?

  • Justin Peters is just adorable. I so appreciate his ministry too.

  • Ok. I want to go off on so many levels I can't stand it. I believe the Bible, literally. I've never read a scripture that says "after the year 2000 you will no longer be able to heal the sick by the laying on of hands." Do you realize the same faith it takes to get healed is the same faith it takes to obtain salvation? (Romans 10:9) Jesus himself couldn't heal a man that didn't believe. Hey... maybe if a tangible like healing is not for today then maybe an intangible like salvation isn't either

  • (cont) & a teenage boy planning to get jaw surgery, but after he was saved on the 1st day of the Faithhealer's conference, his jaw slowly moved into the position that was supposedly only to be achieved through surgery. (this just what I heard) I agree with the viewpoints expressed in this audio. I think that it is a subject worthy of debate. I don't, however, believe that these Faith Healer's name's aren't in the book of life. It isn't something that will make or break your "ticket to heaven."

  • The Lakeland Florida people were in Des Moines (more specifically Ankeny) Iowa over the summer (the church is a few blocks from my house). I worked at Starbucks in the drivethru and I had people coming through that whole week telling me they were there for Faithhealers and telling me the stories of people. None of the stories were anything extreme; I was told that someone's cancer went away (which we can't physically watch happen).

  • oops!! actually I follow the teachings of Jesus, I have been to baptist, methodist, catholic, assembly of God, church of God, charasmatic, pentecostal, word of faith, non denominationals. and some none christian ie jehovaha witness for apolegetic purposes only, to hear what they say with my ears. and honestly, I find the faith denomination to be closest to new testament church, I will not disclose here though somethings I would like to see diffrent there.

  • actualy

  • don't know if you noticed justins sample video addressing the baptist seminary, but even justin said for the most part e w kenyon was orthodox, some have said that kenneth hagin copied ew kenyons writtings I also noticed the video I did to dispute this video was not approved? they are on my youtube page parts 1 and 2 rebuttal to justin peters video above.

  • Hagin PLAGERIZED Kenyon's writings, meaning he STOLE them from him. He also did this to another writer. Not very honest if you ask me and yet you follow his teachings. I approved all your videos the other day and anyone has been able to post videos without approval since that day.

  • just beacuse someone says somebody has done something, doesn't mean they did, I have read writtings, from both. I am sure if you were to write a book on say salvation issues, they would probably resemble your denomination, or the teaching you sit under, I may be wrong but, concerning salvation, do you believe it is only for the called, or elect? I believe some baptist believe it is for all. I believe both positions are correct.

  • He wrote it WORD FOR WORD, not only on Kenyon's works but on the works of another man, John A. MacMillan and not only did he write this man's writings WORD FOR WORD, he even plagiarized the title! Yes, we may write a book on salvation and yes, they may be very similar, but NOT word for word TWICE in two different books. That's a little too "coincidental" for me. About salvation, I believe Christ died for His elect, for everyone who would ever believe and not for those who never would.

  • thank you for allowing the videos, I believe dr rowland taylor faced the debate of freewillers, and predestinators while awaiting martyrdum, they were 2 groups imprisoned together, to die for their faith,

  • No problem. You have a right to post them as much as I do. :0) Freewillers...I used to go to a Freewill Baptist Church...NEVER ON YOUR LIFE EVER AGAIN! LOL!!! I'm Reformed Baptist now. Much better. I only went to the FB church because a lot of my husband's family went there. It was a mess, too much to go into but I will never set foot in a FB church again. I do believe believers are predestined.

  • agreed prayer should always glorify God, all that we do should glorify God

  • james 1:5If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. james 5:16Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much

  • acts2: 38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call

  • psalms 103:2  Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: 3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;

  • john14:2Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

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  • Jesus did not mean greater works in power, but in extent. They would become witnesses to all the world through the power of the indwelling and infilling of the Holy Spirit and would bring many to salvation because of the Comforter dwelling in them. The focus is on SPIRITUAL rather than PHYSICAL miracles.

    Taken from my MacArthur Study Bible, page 1579. Dr. Mac says it better than I can so I used his words. :0)

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  • CONTINUATION

    Verses 13-14--the Apostles were comforted by Jesus here because His ascending in to heaven was a loss for them in that they were no longer in His immediate presence that they had come to depend on. The prayers should be focuses on God's purposes and kingdom and should not be selfish, the prayers should be on the basis of His merits and not personal merits or worthiness. Prayer should glorify God.

    Also from Dr. Mac. :)

  • mark 16:15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. compare with matt 28:18-20 vs20

  • Mark 16:15-18 was for the apostolic community, not all believers in all ages. See also Matthew 10:1; 2 Corinthians 12:12--these were the signs for the true Apostles, they were given this as sign that they were God's messengers. This was not for our day, this was for the disciples and Paul. The signs and wonders were for them to perform after Jesus' ascension because they were His true Apostles. It is not for today.

  • read again matt 28:20 Jesus told the disciples to teach their disciples to observe(or do) all things Jesus commanded the disciples to do, yes see also matt10:1 like you said, also see the 70 that was commisioned. that greek word in matt 28:20 observe, actually means to guard from loss, matt 28:19-20 is a parrallel account of mark 16:15-20, put it together perhaps you will see, healing did not stop with apostles i can quote church fathers for 300 years after christ

  • I'm sorry, but I just don't think we have this ability to go around healing people like the disciples did. This was for their day. I do believe God still heals, not that man can do it like the Apostles did. All the faith healers that I have ever seen have been frauds. I can't remember ever seeing a true faith healer.

  • that is the whole problem, people look at a man, not Jesus, all I hear is they went to this faith healer, that is why they do not get healed Jesus is the healer, you have to go to Jesus, and yes Jesus works through his people, no one gets saved unless their is a willing person to open their mouth, while Jesus saves the person, same for healing, same faith, we are vessels that the Holy Spirit works through. if a person gets saved by a preacher they will go to hell, preachers don't save

  • Isahia 53:5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. healing here is physical matt 8:16-17 and 1 peter 2:24 confirms note especialy matt 8:17, confirms healing in isa 53:5

  • We are healed of our sins by His wounds that were inflicted on Him before the Crucifixion and His death on the Cross. He bore our penalty on the Cross, He paid for our sins. That is what this verse is about. He delivered us from our sins so we could be saved because He took our punishement.

  • matt 8: 16When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: 17That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses, you erred here notice it says so it would be fullfilled vs 17 jesus fullfilled isiah 53:5 right there, healing all that were sick and possed by devils. read it again

  • matt 8:16When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: 17That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses 1 peter 2:24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

  • Christ drove out the demons. Jesus Himself is who is being spoken of here. I don't get your point yet.

  • james 5:14Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

  • This was for the elders' encouraging, comforting and strengthening a suffering believer. The anointing could be ceremonial or a medication for treating the bruises and wounds after a believer had been persecuted.

  • wrong

  • That's your opinion, this is mine and mine is not wrong. :0)

  • I am not trying to sound flippant. I should just say I don't agree with you. Sorry about that coming off the way it did. :0)

  • that is ok, your forgivin, just to let you know I have been in touch with justin peters, via email and he has agreed to get back with me on this topic, he is currently busy, and I understand, I do thank him for responding back

  • Well, this should be interesting. Let me know what he says.

  • the cic book pulled that statment out of the context of kenneth hagins book, zoe the God kind of love. the chapter is "ruling and reighing in union with God, pp41. kenneth hagin was actually refering to we are the body of Christ. 2 cor 6:15 he was refering to 1 cor 3:16, 1 cor 6:19&20, the fact that our body is the temple of the Holy Ghost. and that is Bible truth, born again Christians have the Spirit of God, dwelling within us, that is how we are in union with God we are God's vessels on earth

  • Sorry, Hagin again. Don't much care what he says, because his teachings do not line up with God's. Our bodies are the temple of the Lord's. Our bodies belong to the Lord and is a member of Christ, it is the Holy Spirit's temple. We are to glorify Christ. A lot of the practices of the word faith movement do not glorify Christ. I think it makes a mockery of Him and hurts His body, which we all are a part of.

  • Justin stated, that word faith teaches,(quote) "adam was exact duplicate of God, he wasn't a little God, he was God, when a person gets saved he regains the DIETY adam lost (end quote) that is christanity in crisis theology, and twisting the teachings of the faith denomination. an example in christanity in crisis, it states on pp 108, it states kenneth hagin says,"the beliver is called Christ...., that's who we are, were Christ." words pulled out of there context of what kenneth hagin was saying

  • This is what a lot of the word faith teaching are. They begin to believe that they are little gods. As for Kenneth Hagin, I'm sorry, but he's a false teacher too. I have always felt this way about him and I always will. You will not persuade me with any teaching of his for they are another gospel.

  • In the video, Justin states concerning the 2 hours of worship. "the extended worship is designed to get people into an altered state of consisenisis" I do really find it sad, that people would be discredited for giving God worship, in song and music. psalms 148:4 He also exalteth the horn of his people, the praise of all his saints; even of the children of Israel, a people near unto him. Praise ye the LORD. psalms 150:6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

  • The two hours of worship included repeating songs and music over and over again. The dancing and the repetition induces a sort of false euphoria that opens the mind up to suggestion. They are not worshiping God when they do this, this is different from what David did in the Bible. It's not the same thing as praising the Lord. This is not praise. A lot of New Age practices do these very same things that open themselves up to the occult. This is how they are deceived.

  • on Justin's web site he quotes the following scripture, "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which you have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, (Romans 16:17-18) I believe that Justin's attack causes division, proclaiming that word of faith is "outside the body of Christ" actually that is seperation, if a person is outside, then they are not saved, he is judging who is saved and not.

  • How is quoting a Bible verse an attack? That's what it says...you just said the Word of God is the absolute authority, which I agree with. If it is absolute, and it is, then it's absolute in this verse as well. He is judging by their works...their claims that cause divisions, they are the ones causing the divisions, not Justin Peters. A lot of word faith IS outside the body of Christ because it is false teachings. I'm sorry to say that but well, it's true. Most of these so-called healers

    CONT.

  • are so arrogant that they thing THEY are God! They twist Scripture to suit their purposes. They bilk people out of their money, taking advantage of their desperation to be healed, and when they are not healed they are told it's their fault "because you don't have enough faith." Oh, please! Suffering is a part of this life. It is part of the fallen nature that we have until we receive our glorified bodies. We grow old and we die. No one is raised from the dead these days.

    CONT.

  • Justin is not judging anyone's salvation. He is applying Biblical truths to their claims. We are to expose false teachers. We must!  We are told to be discerning, we are told how to discern who is God's elect and who is not. By their fruits we will know them. This is Biblical.

  • I hope you do not mind, but I intend to disect these videos, and the statments made by Justin Peters, not an attack against him personaly, as I feel he has probably been misguided by the book, Christanity in crisis.and would continue to teach those views, and not what the Word of God actually states. God's Word is the absolute authority, and does not hold 2nd place to mans theology. I will try to limit it to word of faith, and not todd bently, I understand faith teachings. (continues)

  • Justin Peters has cerebral palsy, I don't believe he's misguided at all. He's been to numerous "faith healers" starting at a young age. He has never been healed and don't say it's because he doesn't have enough faith, that would be an insult to this man who has great faith in his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I don't believe that everyone will be healed of their afflictions. Show me where in God's Word it says that everybody will be healed and I mean everybody.

  • mark 11:22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. 23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. 24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them

  • where is your proof todd bentley seperated for another woman, the man in the video, misrepresented the words of men in the faith movement, because of his biased theological beliefs.he may have studied the book christanity in crisis, fact is he intentionaly lied about men of God.

  • Are you serious? My proof? The ministry he is in are the ones who admitted it. His own people! And you still believe this guy? You still trust him? That's fine by me if you want to follow a man who has bilked people out of their money, he DIDN'T heal anybody and lied to his wife and left her, go right ahead. The man in the video has not displayed any of this behavior and has PROOF against this movement and you call HIM A LIAR! Wow! People are more deceived than I thought!

  • do you have a link, where his ministry people made the claim, there was adultery involved, I received email from Godtv, requesting prayer for Todd and his family, and they stated the seperation was not on imoral grounds, which would include adultrey. and yes todd bentley and his family are in my prayers, that the will of God is done in there lives, not mine nor todd's but Gods will.

  • I think his ministry is Fresh Fire...they called it an emotional relationship with another woman, I believe is how it's worded. You can google it and be able to find out. And Todd and his family are in my prayers. I still think he's a false teacher, but I'm still praying because that is what we are to do.

  • I called him a liar, because he is intentionaly twisting statments made by people, probably to sell books or whatever, or to make a name for himself, I studued apologetics, I examine both sides of the issues, before I come to a conclusion, example christanity in crisis has intentional lies to twist the truth, a Christian that operates in that fasion, commits sin against Jesus Christ himself, they spin discord. and slander.

  • He's not a liar but a victim. Check out his background. He's handicapped and began to wonder why God wouldn't heal him after seeing so many faith healers and not being healed. He's not a liar or false accuser but one who truly loves those who are seeking healing and not getting it because of these false healers. Then they lose their faith in God because they haven't been healed. I've seen this happen myself. And I believe he knows what he's talking about. :)

  • Honestly, I received my healing through the teachings of kenneth hagin, he is the one that helped me to see that Jesus still heals today. if a person does not get gealed they should not loose faith, anymore than if they prayed for a loved ones salvation and that person did not get saved, they wouldn't loose their faith. I pray for the sick, that is my calling, or atleast one of them, and many get healed by Jesus.

  • I do not doubt your healing. I do doubt the teachings of Kenneth Hagin, though. I know God still heals, but sometimes He doesn't. I have arthritis and fibromyalgia and Degenerative Disk Disease, etc. But in my case, God has chosen to not heal me of it. I have learned that it keeps me close to Him for I have to depend on Him sometimes just to get me through the day, and I have days where I don't hurt much at all. I have not lost my faith. I trust in Him and as Paul said,

    Continued

  • 2Co 12:9-10 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

    Paul was not healed either. His grace is sufficient for me as well, I draw upon His strength when I have none of my own.

  • of course our theology will differ here, and I am glad you keep your faith, our diffrence is on a matter of physical healing, a temporary matter, and does not have a bearing on eternal salvation. Jesus is your savior, Jesus is my savior, of course also our beliefs concerning Pauls thorn differs, but that does not mean Baptist will go to hell, as heretics, anymore than those of us that differ on opinion concerning healing would, feel free to watch my sidewalk Bible sch videos, salvation the same

  • Yes, this is not a salvation issue. One day soon, we'll get our theologies right! :) And I never thought that you were going to hell, either. :) I'll check out your videos, thanks!

    From one "Taylor" in Christ to another!

    Karen

  • sad of you to lie like that, faith movement does not believe a person becomes God when they get born again, the only way to make that statment is to take peoples words out of context

  • I am not the one lying. But let's see, has Todd Bentley told any lies lately? Hmmmm....how about leaving your wife for another woman? I think that qualifies as lying. He broke his vows to his wife and to God. That makes him a liar.  Has he healed anyone? Nope! No proof of that either but yet he claims to have healed them. Not looking too good for Mr. Bentley now is it? Would you like me to go on? Because I can.

  • This man in the video has studied and experienced these false teachers personally. He knows how they believe, how they teach, how they lie and I'm sorry, but that is what these wolves are...they think they are God like and they are not.

  • I am going to watch your videos now.  And I am giving you fair warning....I don't mind you having your OPINION of me or my videos, but if your videos contain any false teaching I will let it be known that they are false, right along with Bentley and company. If they are not deceptive teachings then ok, that's fine. But I will not put up with unsound doctrine from anyone. Just so you know.

  • I see you removed your video responses to me. Why, I wonder?

  • i did not remove them, I'll go ahead and reinstall them, my opinion was not concerning you, so you need not take it personal, my video and response is to the video you posted or the comments made in those videos, I have not even bothered to look at your profile, also I am not defending todd bentley per say, I defend the truth of Gods Word, and brothers and sisters that are slandered because of man made doctrin. todd bently is not word faith

  • I have reposted the 3 video responses, to your posted video, now thwy await your aproval, to be posted, an option tnat was not there, last night, btw when you viewed them did you find false doctrin?

  • I didn't remove them from Part 1, I assumed you did so I removed them from Part 2 and 3. I only had time to watch one last night, but will go view the other two now. So I have no idea yet what doctrine they all contain.

  • I have not noticed that my three videos have been approved yet, also I liked your video on martyrs and reformation,

  • oops, pushed the button too quick, your video on the martyrs, includes 2 of my ancestors, Dr Rowland Taylor, and William Tyndale, I am a geneoligist also. both of these men were considered heretics, by the orthodox church at the time period. today they are men of great faith, just a thought. Rev Taylor

  • Oh, you are indeed a blood relative of mine. :) Yes, William Tyndale was Rowland's brother-in-law. Rowland Taylor was married to Margaret Tyndale. I do genealogy for my family. And I'm addicted! LOL!!! Although some sources say she was William's daughter or grand-daughter.  I always believed she was his sister. Nice to meet a relative.

  • I did the geneology for mine, my family owned the willows in sparta va, some are still there, below bowlin green va. don't know if you have heard of the recently new book "from tyndale to madison", by michael farris, it contains geneology info of our family also. I did find it intresting while Dr. Rowland Taylor was imprisoned, that there were diffrent religious denominations awaiting martyrdum, and even in prison they could not get along, because of doctrine diffrences.

  • My Taylors went to Eastern KY and my line married a Stewart, also in Eastern KY. I am from Eastern KY, born and raised there. I didn't know about the book, thanks for telling me about it, I will have to see if I can get a copy. It is interesting about the different denominations not getting along even then. Guess that won't happen until we're in heaven.

  • I think, if memory serves, we're related to James Madison through the Taylors. I know we are related to Zachary Taylor and his daughter was married to Jefferson Davis but died 3 months after her marriage of malaria.  They moved to Mississippi, I believe, and she caught that and died. Davis remarried. It's an interesting family history we have.

  • yes in that book it will show the connection, also I believe 3 presidents, the book is about our founding fathers, and their reasons for seperation of church and state, of course atheism today, has reversed the original intent, of seperation, we came here in 1635 on the true love, to escape religious persucution. I always felt the ship "true love" Jesus is our true love.

  • I know I'm related to the Harrisons...Presidents...but I can't remember if they are in this line as well. I'll have to get on my old computer and pull up the family tree. I need to transfer all of that to my other computer. I didn't know that about the true love in 1635, I'll have to add that to my genealogy files. Thanks! Yes, I agree. Jesus is our One True Love!

  • should have been "haven't been approved yet"

  • I just got online so haven't had time to view them yet. Glad you like the Martyrs and Reformation video. It is close to my heart. My 13th great-grandfather was Rowland Taylor. I am honored by this and humbled because he died for his faith and I'd pray to be able to do the same were I in the same situation.

  • I approved the first two videos, will listen to the third in a sec. But just because I approved them doesn't mean I agree with you on every point and I'll tell why later. For now, gonna go listen to your third video. Back later!

  • I approved your videos, but I don't agree with some of the things you say. Before I tell you why, I feel I must tell you that I am a Reformed Baptist, a Calvinist. And you don't seem to hold respect for people of my faith, so I wonder, should I bother replying to your videos? I will though, sparingly, just in case you are open to hearing what I have to say. If anyone wants an in-depth view of what my faith believes, just email it. It will be too long to post here.

    Continued

  • Matthew 7

    v. 1--This doesn't mean we can't righteously judge. It's not like self-righteous judgment where say, someone says a woman isn't saved if she wears makeup or has short hair. Righteous judgment is based upon a person's fruits---if he is not obedient to God and his fruits are rotten then we can righteously judge that he is not saved. If we are obedient to God we will bear good fruits as evidence of it.

    Continued

  • We have to be able to tell a believer from a non-believer or else the "wolves in the fold" will devour us all. Some people will not discern truth from error and therefore will be easily deceived. It is our duty as Christians to BE discerning so that we won't be deceived. We are not to allow false teachings in the church.

  • It is important to have theological discernment. It is our duty to test the spirits (1 John 4) it is our duty to expose the false teachers and their heretical teachings in order to preserve the truth of God's Words.

    You know what,this is too long to post. I think I will just make a video of it instead. I have a music video that I have to do by request and when I am finished with it, I will do one on this. It'll be simpler and better than running up pages of posts.

  • I used to be a baptist, could not be one now though because of their beliefe in healing, Baptists are good soul winners, I dislike Baptist because they believe I am a heretic, I know I am saved. in the word of faith movement, the salvation prayer is word for word identical as Baptist, Romans road, the Baptist slam word faith, because of believe that Jesus decendeded into hell, I realize this is a delicate topic, John Calvin, institute of Christian religion, taught exact same thing, word for word

  • Jesus descended into Hades, into the Paradise compartment and removed the Old Testament saints from there....He set captivity free. Ephesians 4:8-9. Jesus didn't go to hell. I have Calvin's Institute of Christian religion but haven't read that part of it yet. I haven't had it very long.

  • Forgot to say, I don't believe He went to hell though. He emptied out Paradise.

  • keep these kinds of videos coming.

  • Great video, thank you.

  • Good video... Thanks for the info...

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