Beethoven Symphony No. 5, 3rd mvt--Arturo Toscanini/NBC Symp

[JCreationL]

wait, isn't the third movement supposed to be played immediately after the second movement without pause? somebody please reply quickly, I'm writing a paper due on friday. I'm currently enjoying the music and dying at the same time.

[NoahSV]

@JCreationL I think its the fourth movement that is supposed to be played right after the third movement. But I have no idea if this is also supposed follow right after the second movement.

[JCreationL]

@NoahSV thanks! It is the fourth movement that is played immediately after the third movement :) I handed in the essay three days ago, I hope I do well o.o

[ChristieFystiki]

Ι have raped the replay button.

[Charod3]

This reminds me why I chose to play the double bass

[bresd1]

incrivel

[cbrashawnm]

oh my goodness. Im sorry but I cant say that I particularly enjoyed this recording as much as some others. Like Karajans. Karajan with the Berlin Phil did this perfectly.

[WhiteTiger225]

@cbrashawnm Yes you can have different taste. But define perfect in the sense of metaphysical, philosophic ideals of music? Just like no man, woman or child are identical, neither is composure of such classics. The beauty of composed pieces, is every orchestra and composer can put their own personal touch to each piece. I've heard Beethoven been done heavy handed, Light Hearted, Dark... And all have the masterful beauty of true art.

[PiscesBellator]

I like the way this is conducted, although in my opinion, it's just a bit too fast. There's not much time to contemplate the music, there's barely enough to really feel it. The tempo marking is 'Allegro,' not 'Prestissimo.' But maybe that's just my opinion.

[Diabalon]

I often say to myself that romantic's era composers are the best.... Beethoven is always there afterwards to change my opinion....

[L1S91]

Sounds like a marching theme

[vendettamia]

My favorite part of the 5-th symphony!!! Heavenly!

[angela44ize]

Next to God, I love Ludwig von Beethoven w/ utter intensity; this is one of my fav parts of his 5th symphony...the strings, wind instruments & orchestration is powerful , how wondrous & awesome is Maestro Toscanini as a conductor!! Bravo!!

[fryfry377]

I love how the camera man had enough sense to keep the camera on Toscanini most of the time. Such a badass.

[notyourplanet]

1:55 = evil for bassists.

[diioriog]

@notyourplanet You probably mean heaven. I played the double bass and that part was my best dream...

[notyourplanet]

@diioriog I guess so. It's just sort of to look at the first time.

[TheEvilEmporerBunny]

Compare this to Mozart's No. 40.

Notice something similar? That's because Beethoven literally copied this from Mozart. Awesome!

[basswiz88]

The best movement of the 4

[brodtsters]

THIS IS REAL MUSIC!!!!!!

[SeamonkeyW97]

looking bored at 3:06

[TomBarrister]

@SeamonkeyW97 The Maestro always looked that way: bored and unhappy. He was neither, although he may have been a bit tired at this point in his life: he was in his mid 80's here.

Toscanini's daughter Wanda married pianist Vladimir Horowitz, a marriage that lasted until the latter's death.

[urimv]

One person mis-clicked, one person is a philistine, two people are simply expressing their feeling that perhaps Beethoven's 5th is overplayed compared to the rest of his symphonies, one person is a dislike troll, and one person absolutely hates Beethoven but forgot to click the dislike button. Just trying to diversify.

[100jllp]

Could have been, or he could be wiping the sweat off his face.

[Iloveofrahaza87]

was Toscanini crying at minut 3 ??!! 

[Agomongo1235]

@Iloveofrahaza87 no he was sweating

[CriticaLxThoughX]

I love it how the main motive from the first movement comes again, but with a totally different flair...Beethoven, I love you.

[jsavino96]

I see what dragmito means, however, I do

[jsavino96]

5 people are braindead

[dgmlxcbl]

this is so fucking METAl \,,/

[ipmoic]

Old enough to remember how Frank Miller sounded live. A big man, the size of Piatigorsky, who had one of the biggest, lushest tones I've ever heard on the violoncello.

Probably most appreciated by Toscanini who had, once upon a time, been a cellist too.

[dangin5]

our high school orchestra that i'm in just played this at our concert tonight and wow this is what we SHOULD'VE sounded like

[dragmio]

Oh, come on. These are boring and mediocre melodies. The same with the second movement. They are brilliantly orchestrated, of course, and noone ever matched Beethoven in that, but he could never match Mozart in melody or Bach in harmony.

[m0orangers]

@dragmio But the real thing about this movement is contrast, crescendos and decrescendos.

[Haaggus]

@dragmio Beethoven's melodies crush Mozart's. Get out of here with your idiocy

[TheLfwjo]

@dragmio But if you could listen to Zagreb Philharmonic playing this movement, I'm sure you will be stunned.

I noticed one fault in this performance: the notes are almost played staccato so the power is not sustained and ruining the piece, the Zagreb Philharmonic made it continuous so it seams to be that the wind is rushing powerful over you.

9sorry if i have some wrong grammar)

[JaydeLovesYou]

we're playing this mvement for orchestra :)

[kns707]

love you.

[raegirlfromroblox]

everyone stop fighting can't you just listen and enjoy this music while you can? I mean thats what music is for. It's for enjoyment, not fighting. Go fight about it on a music forum or something.

[MrBeethoven333]

I've never seen such a good bass section for a short time. Even comparable to Karajan's.

[ipmoic]

What a cello section huh? Led by Frank Miller and Bénar Heifetz, it was a section for the ages. Have never heard the trio of this 3rd movement sound so good!!

Great bassoons as well.

[kljajicbo]

1:56

The best!!!

[jeffamarie]

Haha, that moment must be one of Berlioz's favorites, if I had to guess...

[beethovenlovedmozart]

I haven't heard all of them..All were geniouses but I think Mozart was on a different level.. His last 3 symphonies were composed in 6 weeks? Are you kidding me!? That's unreal genious.

[beethovenlovedmozart]

Beethoven had his limitations in music believe it or not..Mozart had none. Beethoven took his strengths and wrote breathtaking music and studied Mozart A LOT in the process. Without Mozart, there is no beethoven..Guaranteed.

[manny75586]

Are you kidding me? Mozart had no limitations? It was considered, horrible, not 'bad', practice to have paralell 5ths amongst voices and his music is LITTERED with them because he was basically ignorant of that fact. Additionally his use of basses is non-existent. Beethoven influences composers to this day with his use of the double bass. Writing a lot doesn't = greatness. Mozart wrote some great pieces but he also has a TON of garbage. A TON. Beethoven did admire him but surpassed him.

[beethovenlovedmozart]

Yes I said it. What do mean by voices? Mozart is considered by many as the greatast ever for the human voice. Mozart had a masterpiece in every genre of music. Beethoven tried but couldnt accomplish that feat. Mozart from what I understand invented 7 tone writing

[beethovenlovedmozart]

No basses in his music? Yea probably. Beethoven took music to a whole new level instrumentally..Mainly because he was always trying to find creative ways to be different and to "hear" his music..I really believe Beethoven tried daring things with instruments in timely points so he would know where he was when he conducted..Mainly by "feeling" the vibrations.

[beethovenlovedmozart]

and who says parallel 5ths are bad? Why Is it considered bad practice? Mozart has a masterpiece in every genre of music...Every piece has some greatness to it..Some of his pieces get stale and boring and only show glimpses of his genius..That is the ONLY thing that seperates him from being unquestionably the greatast composer ever. If he wrote every piece as if it was his last (Like Beethoven did), we wouldnt even be having this conversation.

[johnnythunder123]

Parallel 5ths are against the "rules" of theory, therefore making them bad. Practically illegal for amateurs. But since Mozart was far along, he was able to incorporate them in such a way that it sounded good. So you are both right there.

[beethovenlovedmozart]

Joseph Haydn once said that if Mozart wrote it, he had a very good reason or doing so. Those words can't be more true about Mozart. Do you honestly think the top 3 genius of all-time made a parallel 5th "mistake"? He did it for a reason. Nobody is perfect, but if he did it more then once then it was intentional.

[johnnythunder123]

Er...read my comment again. I said that he would have been able to incorporate it so that it sounded good. Which is what you just ranted about. I was agreeing with both of you. The whole comment next time, alright?

[mightyafrowhitey]

@johnnythunder123 they "were" against the accepted rules of music of the time. but there are no rules of music. theory only exists go give you ides. they're guidlines more than anything else.

[mightyafrowhitey]

@beethovenlovedmozart theyre not. there were accepted rules at the time. and they were considered bad. but this was hundreds of years ago. theory was developed during a long time, for for a while they were looked at as rules. we've come way past that though. theory only exists to help you to make MUSIC. it gives you suggestions. there are no rules in music, or in any artform for that matter.

[Sorgutentarer]

Agree. Mozart usually comes from the mind while Beethoven comes from the heart.

[JCreationL]

@Sorgutentarer That is not to say, and I'm sure you'd agree, that Mozart doesn't have his 'heart' pieces. Beethoven's first compositions reflected more of Haydn and are, for someone who simply enjoys Beethoven's 'heart' pieces, boring. In fact, Beethoven's first compositions took almost more detail that Mozart's first compositions.

[Sorgutentarer]

@JCreationL Requiem will be my requiem if I haven't composed my own requiem by the time I pass away. But generally Beethoven's mental state is more familiar to get into because I think like him. I don't know what was on Mozart's mind when I listen to most of his compositions. I can visualize feelings and stories for Beethoven pieces. His music can transfer me into his mental state when he wrote those. For Mozart, I have no idea.

[WAMEDJO]

@Sorgutentarer

Sorry, but it doesn't mean anything to me. Listen to Mozart Requiem then tell me if there's no heart out there. It's not because we're on Beethoven that we can forget the rest.

[Sorgutentarer]

@WAMEDJO Requiem is the only one :)

[WAMEDJO]

@Sorgutentarer

To talk about the works in minor keys, which are my favorite regarding Mozart, these are also the Don Giovanni Overture, the 24th piano concerto, the 25th Symphony, among other things. Mozart is definitely not heartless, as you could say about Bach on "The Art of Fugue" for exemple -though Bach is supremely expressive in many of his works-.

[tallbridge]

@manny75586 Mozart don't have to follow "rules". Masters like him and Beethoven are aware of the rules, and that's why they know how to break out of them and break new grounds. If Jimi Hendrix played guitar in "good practice" and with "proper" technique he wouldn't be Jimi Hendrix. If people like Tori Amos or Bjork or Prince did everything in good practice they wouldn't be the artists they are. They use something called their ears.

[beethovenlovedmozart]

Beethoven was a genius..No doubt..I truely believe Mozart was the greater genius though. Mozart did it so effortlessly and had a masterpiece for every genre of music. Not to mention Beethoven lived 20 years longer. Deaf or not, Mozart was better.

[Liebromeistal]

Bach was better than both of them.

[beethovenlovedmozart]

Disagree.Mozart took Bachs fugue to incredible heights with his Jupiter symphony. Bach was incredible though!

[Liebromeistal]

what do you think of Mahler Symphonies?

[futurebass09]

beastly bass section

[Hickorydrummer09]

this piece is absolutely amzing. I got my hands on the score and shear genius is beethoven

[beethovenlovedmozart]

It's amazing what you can do with a little genius, a huge heart and determination and about 5 years to complete.

[54294493]

¡¡ 1:56 !!

[MarginB]

im sorry guys many ppl think that toscanini was the best but i totally disagree, i dont think that is something great about toscanini, today conductors are way better than toscanini and idk why people think old recordings are better

today's technology is so much better than it was before

[StomachBread]

It obviously has no connection with the quality of sound...

[tabatam]

Technology has absolutely nothing to do with how good the conductor is...and give us an example of conductor you think is better, please.

[bonzo1956]

George Szell

[jbraun4790]

spectacular =)

[herbiehusker13]

because its beethoven. and its his 5th symphony. and its one of the greatest works of music ever created.

[FiloDiPerle]

but this is the 2nd movement, isn't it?

[YTM021807]

No.

It is that there is no clear separation.

Beethoven experimenting!

[auitane]

No...pretty much a normally structured sonata-form Symphony. Four movements. This is the third (scherzo/allegro).

[sists43]

No it`s the third movement - Scherzo

[abechacalaca]

it is itresting to hear the humor of people in beethovens time period. supposedly the scherzo word means funny or joke so would that make this a funny movement ?????? idk its not funny to me its an awesome movement

[LEOPARDTWO]

Nuclear power!

[isaiahangelo]

Next to John Elliot Gardiner, this is the crispest version I've heard of this movement

[hunterochoa]

I've heard this a hundred times. And while I can't say this or that one was better, this is one of the best.

Tempo was just a bit racier.  I could really hear it from about 3:40 to intro into the 4th movement.

[chunwong1993]

wow...i nvr heard the 3rd movement before and it is lik so wonderful...i played beethoven on the piano for many of my exams...his songs are truly wonderful

[kahiliiiiii]

i love the bass and cellos part

[chitsevermag301]

yes that is very amazing! Today I've only it in head!

[itkue]

This is great and i love it also im 12

[pleasureman666]

beehoven was a musical genius but not a god!

[muscarine2000]

best part of my favourite symphony! and played brilliantly

[MassNssen]

Dare I say this is my favority movement from the symphony?

[moman1208]

this and the part that transitions into the 4th movement

[AKSTERSKY]

@MassNssen so it is mine

[DanielLovesPatois]

word.

[mtoussieh]

@MassNssen Do not dare say that! lol... (Hey, what about the 4th movement, what about the legendary 1st? I mean... dare I say, they are all great, but... anyway, you seem to be a good music lover ... that's cool).

[lindzyIsAwesome]

@MassNssen yes you dare

[Critchie23]

@MassNssen Your a bass player aren't you, haha

[alliedtechtree]

love it!

[doointhedoo]

absolute perfection! The best performance by be an orchrestra of this piece ever!

[dani97102]

Beethoven was truly a mastermind, and well deserves the fame he still holds, even above other great composers. Toscanini complimented him well.

[bangerboyz41]

just wonderful i give it 5 stars

[erickadbay]

Beethoven is the master of symphonies and Toscanini is his student

[baronsol]

Beethoven is God,and Furtwangler his profet on the earth

[1942tj]

Magnificent! 5 Stars!

[cubantoro]

If there is ever a Mt. Olympus for conductors... then Toscanini is surely Zeus! Brasivisimo maestro!~~

[cauim]

bello

[chhrisax]

¡¡¡Majestuoso!!!