How to be Saved from Reformed Theology = Trust NO MAN!

[witness2forYeshua]

I agree that calvinism is no where near perfect but there is alot of God changing hearts and minds of men in the bible so I would say GOD IS SOVEREIGN and I think thats enough.

[gvassi17]

Funny... the title is a fallacy and then it goes downhill from there... we are told "How to be Saved from Reformed Theology = Trust NO MAN" Then we are asked to "trust" Dave Hunt and his views... What about the apostle Paul? Didn't he write Romans? Wasn't he a man? I'd rather trust him... thank you =)

[tgillspy2]

@gvassi17 Calvinism is very wicked.....

[Wbeard92]

@tgillspy2 Some of it might be, but predestination and election are both talked about in the bible. Romans chapter eight and and Ephesians 1:5 both talk about predestination. So the bible talks about how only some are going to be saved, but our job is to preach the gospel to all. Also there can be assurance of salvation (but it comes from the spirit), and salvation is entirely a work of God (Ephesians 2:8). Please read you bible, study the history, and not jump to conclusions ignorantly.

[morrisondan]

He needs to retire!.

[Strefanasha]

how to be saved from reformed doctrine (or any other error)?

personal encounter with Jesus Christ by His Spirit. without that there is but another kind of dead letter which may be truer, but is just as dead.

truth is not ONLY proposition but a person.

so one forgets the controversy for it is futile, and seek the Lord the Spirit

[bobby7771117]

Who wants to be saved from the truth? Mr. Hunt's exegesis and understanding of Scripture is absolutely unbiblical considering the truths of the doctrines of grace! He does not understand T.U.L.I.P., and feels great commentaries that would help him understand them are unnecessary! !

[bobby7771117]

@bobby7771117 He just reads his bible, which will reveal all the simple truths he needs to understand simpler matters! But, he'll never understand Reformed Theology without great books, commentaries, and study Bibles, like the MacArthur Study Bible!

[bobby7771117]

@bobby7771117 Dave Hunt rambles on and on, but there is no exegesis of scripture--just stories of how evil and dangerous Calvinism is! Just poison the well, and you think you win!!!

[sketchbook1]

@bobby7771117 that's the problem Mr. Hunt gives with Calvinism... why is it so esoteric, and so hard to reach from a normal reading of the scriptures in their context? One has to read a lot of scriptures in a Calvinist mindset for them to make sense (I refer to all the times common meanings must be twisted out of normal meaning in order to fit the system-- "All" , "the world", etc...)

[mathai11]

dave hunt is one of my favorite preachers.

[dcntexas3]

Theology is the 'science of god'...It's precise, cold, unfeeling and unconnected...theology is a coroner autopsying a cadaver...

Charles Darwin would have been a good theologian.

John 3:16. That's where I stand.

Doug

[dcntexas3]

Oh the simpicity of Christ. Depart not from it.

Doug

[Warhorse22]

There is a presumption that man has the ability to choose Christ. Jn 6:37 says all the Father gives Him will come.That presupposes that God already has people to give to Jesus,verse 44 says that no man can come to Jesus unless he is drawn by the Father.Jn1:12-13 says those who were given the right to be called the sons of God were born not of flesh,nor the will of man but of God. What do we make of these verses? Thanks for the discussion.

[sketchbook1]

@Warhorse22 "If I be lifted up, I will draw all men to myself" John 12:32 and, "For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:40

[Warhorse22]

@sketchbook1 (If I be lifted up I will draw all men to myself) If I took these words by themselves without qualifying who the all men is, I could infer from them that only men and not women will be drawn. Everyone that looks to the Son and believes will have eternal life. Not all believe that's a matter of fact. The reason Jn. 6:44. Explained by Jesus himself, Thanks for your comment , be blessed in your study.

[sketchbook1]

@Warhorse22 The point of God's will being that all who look to the Son and believe shall be saved goes to the point that the sovereign God of the universe wills that those who look to Jesus and believe will be saved. That is how it "qualifies" who God wants and wills to save.. Let the scriptures qualify who "all" are, not some system.

[Warhorse22]

@sketchbook1 We're saying the same thing. Thanks for the clarification.

[88momart]

The problem with this presentation, is that Dave spent most of his time refuting quotations from Calvanists, instead of going directly to Scripture, to prove the Biblical perspective. We who are Reformed, have not come to this understanding because of x-traScriptural ideas, but from God's Word, itself.

[88momart]

So typical of satan, to promote "reformed theology" as satanic...when this true, Biblical truth, [calvanism] gives ALL the Glory to God, and absolutely none, to man!!

[miksulder]

i met one girl and she studies theology and i am born again christian, i say she is far from jesus, there is no love in him.

[rpavich]

Isn't it a little ironic on a video called "trust no man." that you are trusting the words of Dave Hunt???

Funny.

[rpavich]

@Jesse859

Of course nobody is saying that they are "OF" anyone when they call themselves Calvinists....it's a short hand way to identify a general set of beliefs when communicating with another person...

The idea that someone is "of" anyone because of that is ludicrous.

[rpavich]

@Jesse859

I've got news for you...I've NEVER seen pride in anyone because they call themselves Calvinist...but I've seen and spoken to many people who pridefully declared "I don't follow isms...I just follow jesus...."

They are the most prideful off all...

[guitmartiman]

@rpavich To agree with someone who states historically verifiable facts is not to trust him, but the historically verifiable facts he cites. To agree with someone who happens to believe many of the same things you do based on your own Biblical study is not to trust him as much as the Bible he preaches. He's not saying to trust what he's saying, but merely to take into consideration what he has learned about Calvinism/Augustinianism.

[JesusPaid4You]

EXCELLENT!!!

[passkubalon]

Free will says "I accepted Jesus." Reformed says "Jesus saved me." You tell me which one is less prideful. We cannot even boast in our own salvation, unless we feel we were good/smart/not-depraved enough to accept Jesus on or own.

And I would say its ok to be divided on this issue but dont be hateful about it yo

[Ruddermanspeaks]

@passkubalon no, true free will says Jesus is saving me, by granting me understanding and desire to come all the way through the narrow gate of heaven, so that He could accept me, eternally. This path is available to all men. I am not more special or more inherently loved than anyone else. calvinist say that I am special and better than all whom God will burn forever and ever though they never had a chance. that sounds like pride to me.

[passkubalon]

@passkubalon well you think my understanding of grace is prideful and I see your way as man centered. I think the truth is BOTH of us are prideful about "our ways" being right so we both need to check "it" at the door.

[Jesse859]

@passkubalon Free will does not give us a reason to boast, but I can understand why some are concerned about this. Romans 4::5 makes a distinction between faith and works. Free will would give us a reason to boast if faith was a work, but it is not. If someone saved you from drowning, the fact that you reached out your hand to them would not give you a reason to boast. Likewise, although we agree with God to save us, it is still He alone who does the saving, which gives us no reason to boast.

[sketchbook1]

@Jesse859 I agree. Paul goes through the first part of Romans distinguishing faith as something apart from works, by which a person is saved, but cannot boast.

[OneFabFisher]

doesn't satan have to ask God to do evil to a person that is doing nothing to give satan permission by their own actions (sin)? I look at Job and Job was a good man and God was proud of Job because Job was obedient to God. Because of Jobs obedience, satan could not touch him as God had a hedge of protection around Job. So satan had to ask God to bring horrible things to Job as satan was convinced Job would no longer obey God after he was tested. Is it not the same for all true followers?

[5to22a]

9. Didn't Tim LaHaye write the foreword of this book? That shows some dangerous dispensationalism afoot. LaHaye is on the board of 'Evangelicals and Catholics Together'...

10. Doesn't catholicism reject the idea of predestination? And didn't the catholics kill those who believed in election?

I made a video about his beliefs. They stem from molinism...who was a jesuit.

youtube.com/watch?v=VpQoynvL-Z­s

[SEK4110]

@5to22a Are you still a Calvinist? Hmmm with all your studies I had hope you had learned the truth of this matter by now.

[5to22a]

@SEK4110 I am a Christian. If I find that Jesus' words more closely line up with the doctrines written in response to arminianism's 5 points, then you can call me as you see me. But I'm just a follower of Jesus, who reads that God guides Christ's sheep to Him(John6:44), Jesus laid down His life for the sheep(John10:15) and that no one can snatch us out of His hand (John10:28).

Hunt seems to believe he can't lose his faith, but if it's his will then this is a contradiction.

[SEK4110]

@5to22a Well I think there is still yet hope for you. Our God is NOT a malicious, evil murderer who creates souls for no other reason than to burn them in hell for eternity. And this is all I have to say about this.

[5to22a]

@SEK4110 Isa 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Isa 45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

He is sovereign and way more intelligent than us... Just accept His will in all things, sister.

[SEK4110]

@5to22a ya,ya, ya, I hear the Cavlinist quote this verse all of the time. Jesus said, I have foretold you all things. God is not the author of confusion friend and you are confused..... if you think the Creator of heaven and all things is a monsterous murderding evil god who tosses the majority of his creation (a creation he called good) into a pit to sizzle like bacon for an eternity then I must say to you..............its not true

[5to22a]

@SEK4110 But if you read Jeremiah 18 and Romans 9 it's so clear. God is clarifying objectively the abundance of evil there is in pride and all attitudes outside of obedience to Him and whatsoever is away from Him... And at the same time He is revealing His mercy and the inability of natural man to see a good pot in the making and to recognise that he is nothing but a ruined piece of clay, flailing out of control, unable to hold the water of eternal life.

If I am wrong I pray God shows me.

[SEK4110]

@5to22a Here is a thought, why not research this subject from a different angle. Research all you can find against this doctrine to include and most importantly what is written in God's word that is contrary to the doctrine of Calvinism. Do this with an open mind and prayer that the Holy Spirit of God will lead you to the truth of this matter and then make your own decision.

[5to22a]

@SEK4110 I will examine this more carefully. I have little time these days but I must sacrifice something.

Thank you for not getting angry at me as many do when these topic is discussed.

[jbmanish]

@5to22a Hey. I have also studied calvinism for a while now too. I almost believed in calvinism but find it unbiblical. You said Jesus Christ died for the church. True but He also died for the false teachers. 2 Peter 2:1 This verse says the Christ bought them with His blood but they bring upon themselves destruction. Furthermore in 1 John 2:2 it says that Christ not only died for us (Christians) but also for the whole world. continued......

[jbmanish]

@5to22a John 6:44 says God must draw men. This is true but in the next verse John 6:45 it says that those who learn from the Father will be drawn to Christ. John 1:9 Jesus enlightens every man's heart. Acts 17:30 God commands everyone to repent. But also the biggest thing for me is why does God and Jesus Christ get upset when sinners disobey and do not come to the truth? In Romans 10:21 we see that God has stretched out His hand to disobedient Israel. continued....

[jbmanish]

@5to22a Also Matthew 23:37 Jesus Christ wept over Jerusalem because they would not come and obey the truth. He would have gathered them but they would not. Jeremiah 6:16 shows that God wants these disobedient sinners to come to the good path and find rest for their souls but they said we will not walk therein. Jeremiah 18:10 if they do evil in My sight I will repent of the good I have intended for them. continued....

[jbmanish]

@5to22a Also calvinist say that God never changes His mind but in this verse and many others He actually does. And there are also many other verses showing God and Jesus Christ upset that sinners disobey and perish just like Ezekiel 33:11. BTW I go to a Calvinist church because they do preach the true gospel and reject easy believism quick prayerism. But I just disagree with them on their "doctrines of grace". I hope this helps because scriptures like these really helped me.

[5to22a]

@jbmanish To interpret that scripture in that way would be to suppose that in corresponding verses, such as Ezekiel 18:24, one can have a righteousness of one's own. As Christians we know that this cannot be. Further, verse 31 of chapter 18 would have to then be interpreted with a man being given the Holy Spirit by his works!

The apostle Paul and the Lord Jesus' credentials do not look good under this interpretation.

[sketchbook1]

@5to22a but the gospel in Romans sets out a gospel that is "by faith, first to last" and Jesus Himself said that all who look to him He will save...

It isn't some sort of decree thing, wherein God chooses for His good pleasure to create as sinners, and then damn for all eternity, the vast majority of human beings. That's what Calvinism preaches.

[5to22a]

@sketchbook1 Faith is something God gives. The natural man doesn't receive such things because they are spiritually discerned (1Cor2:14).

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

God does choose; just read Ephesians 1:3-6...

[Keruaran]

@sketchbook1

Yes, Romans 1:17 says "For in it (the gospel) the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "But the righteous man shall live by faith.""

Do the scriptures have anything to say about that faith? Yes. Ephesians 2:8 tells us "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God".

[5to22a]

6. Historic premillenialism was created by calvinists...so his argument about millenialism isn't historically correct. And Spurgeon who he used to establish Augustine in fact disagrees with him on this point.

7. Of course reformers were influenced by catholic literature. The reformers WERE catholics to begin with. They protested from the romish church. But they rejected these later.

8. He talks about how calvinism is equal to infant baptism yet it isn't and he quotes reformed baptists.

[5to22a]

1. The. fact that some people killed for their faith, doesn't discount the theology. Arminianism has borne the fruit of terrible cults.

2. God is the cause of everything.. Isaiah 45.

3. The sword at the throat argument is absurd.

4. He makes a statement to the effect, calvinists believe they are saved because they are elect and not because you believe in Christ. False argument. 25:05

5. He wants to talk about doubt of salvation, with the one off prayer guys on his side...

cont.

[yournewworldorder]

Audio video is off a bit please upload HQ thanks:)

[jacksmack77]

The fact that Calvinists rise to the polemical call so promptly exposes the spuriousness of their position. Calvinism wouldn't have to be so readily defended if it were true! The fact that Calvinists have to attack anti-Calvinistic rebuttals so forthwith only exposes its inherent weaknesses and stupidity. Great video!

[jacksmack77]

I'd love to get a copy of this book! Dave Hunt as far as I know is legit!

[1689Baptist]

@jacksmack77 Also get the book by Dave Hunt & James white, Debating Calvinism! Also why if I read and quote from a book I am spouting the doctrines of man, but you can read Zane and now Hunt and it is not the Doctrines of man? Double standard? Hmm!

[megame23]

Awesome Sek! I'm so glad that Russ isnt blinded by satanism, oops i mean Calvinism :)

[October31st1517]

@megame23 I'm a former Satanist, who is a now a Christian the embraces Calvinism. Are you saying i'm still in the same religion?

[megame23]

@October31st1517 no, sorry it was a joke in poor taste. though as you can see, i clearly dont think very highly of Calvinism, and i would honestly say i do think it could be a false theological system being pushed by Satan. full on Calvinism, (as in, what Calvin himself actually believed, includes God being in control of EVERY action, including sin. it also teaches that god WANTED Adam to fall) this is wrong, and i think it is a horribly twisted view on God, and makes him look like a monster.

[vudumojo]

Good catch Sek.

Russ is another story that would be better discussed at a later date, but good to see he hasn't fallen for THESE lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; ...

I'm surprised considering the company he keeps and those who associate them selves with him!

[evewale]

@vudumojo U know they say birds of a feather flock together but I believe there will be some who only associate with certain people 2 get the real Truth out there. It would be hard 2 reach a vast majority of people if U don't have any sort of ties with anyone. It's also another way 2 show the fruits of the Spirit. What is the point of being the salt of the earth & separate from the world yet stay in doors where none can witness this. We R suppose to be able to shine our light among the darkness.

[vudumojo]

@evewale As I already said in the FIRST sentence, "Russ is another story that would be better discussed at a later date, but good to see he hasn't fallen for THESE lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; ..." :)

[Queenyinthehouse]

Satan want's to unify all of those who will fall for deceptions of "peace" in the world. Jesus Christ said it Himself that there is NO peace, as has been proven throughout history, but there WILL be a period of peace because it is prophesied, that is when the evil one will devour to his fullest as he is preparing now. Jesus Christ told us all to keep watch and get ready. The wolf in sheeps clothing walk amongst the christian community, and we will all be decieved into a false lull. Be watchful.

[MacRyno]

They are setting God up to be the author of sin and they will open their arms for the Antichrist wide open. It seems to me that you are not saved unless you have had some huge spiritual experience ACcording to these calvinists) and I have been told by people like them that I am not saved more than once. Of course our sister Queeny has said the same to me:) but Satan is truly working through this, not only to divide but also to open up people to the whore that is the mystery babylon. Oh My GOD!

[SEK4110]

@MacRyno You said much in this message! Satan, who is coming in the role of Antichrist, is the author of sin. Calvinists are working diligently to set God up as the author of sin. Rick Warren is bringing John Piper et al; to his mega church in April and all of his flock will be introduced to these Calvinist preacher & teachings leading this already confused megachurch to MEGA/MASS CONFUSION. I am not so sure Satan wants to divide though, I think his plan it to unite and conquer.

[evewale]

@SEK4110 I am not so sure Satan wants to divide though, I think his plan it to unite and conquer.

you said right there Satan knows a divided kingdom can not conquer anything BUT he is trying to divide the True Christians because of this very reason love ya SEK.

[vudumojo]

@evewale Great point evewale. Jesus said he did not come to unite but to divide.

i.e.

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36 And a man's foes [shall be] they of his own household.

God bless :)

[MacRyno]

I have been watching this unfold for two years and I must say that I wanted to give myself wholly over to theology like calvinism. I have spent the last almost three years listening to illbehonest's channel, Tim Conway way who disguises very well that he is a calvinist. The thing that was the proverbial straw that broke the camels back was that they do not believe Revelation and Genesis are literal. Susan may I just say thank you. May God Bless this video and message.

[purplehaze5562]

Oh!! Thanks for the video Dave Hunt is one of my favs!! God Bless You Suesan love your vids!!

[purplehaze5562]

Suesan hey how are you? I do not agree with this calvinism. But where im confused is now God knows where i will go the day i was concieved in my mothers whom. And God does put people on this earth that carry out evil according to his plans. And why does God blind some people to know the truth. read 2 thessalonians2 9-14 I do bealive that Jesus did die for all to go to heaven. He is God and he does know who will serve him i think he knew this the time when he created this earth he seen it all?

[SEK4110]

@purplehaze5562 I am not sure if you have had a chance to watch this in its entirety yet but in the last twenty minutes Hunt speaks about God know past, present and future. As for 2The 2:9-14 The subject matter is the coming Antichrist. They are blinded or sent strong delusion because of the choice they have made. It tells us this in verse 10 that "they" received not the not the love of the truth that they might be saved so God will send them strong delusion that they might believe a lie.

[SEK4110]

@SEK4110 Again the subject matter as shown in the preceding verses is the appearance of the Antichrist claiming he is God. The lie that they will believe is that this evil one is God /Jesus. Satan in the role of Antichrist is coming and he decieved thole world. Had 'they" had a love of the truth (his word) they would know this and when someone said lo there is Christ or here is Chirst, they would believe them not and would hold out for the true Christ.

[anyusmoon1]

Re: OSAS At 24:30 or thereabouts, the sheep are those who 'follow' (obedient) and the 'I did my part' is totally not applicable as we all know, the only means to righteousness is through the GIFT of the indwelling Holy Spirit. We cannot achieve that on our own. Someone referring to 'I did my part' must repent and give thanks to Jesus that He died in order to send the Holy Spirit who 'did the part' in 'help, guide, rebuke and be companion' on our walk down the straight and narrow.

[anyusmoon1]

Re:and faith/works at 1:13:00 or thereabouts, if we sin we must repent. The reminder is that He'll come like a thief in the night and in the twinkling of an eye.... therefor because we don't know our time to die nor the precise return of the Lord we must do our best to remain vigilant and keep our eyes on Jesus Christ.

[kenandjasha]

Dave Hunt is the real deal from what Ive seen!

[evewale]

@kenandjasha everyone should make sure what a speaker says aligns with the Word of God as of yet I have not seen anything against Hunt and the Word of God. But people do still make mistakes and even if something he believed was not the Truth it would certainly be considered on what the subject was if Dave Hunt is qualified to teach the Word of God BUT I have not seen any rebukes or refutes against him that holds water and I hope I never do because I too like Mr. Hunt.

[SEK4110]

@kenandjasha Hunt did an amazing job with this subject!

[ThePsalm40]

It occurs to me that those who would accept anything like this would NOT be in communion with the HolySpirit and have the real Jesus as their Lord and King.

Book knowledge study has its place..... along with the place for personal relationship spending time with the Lord in prayer and oneness is imperative for truth in ones soul which fills the mind....