Volter 84. Show me some reps of you beating a c terran preferably korean. Then come back and talk. Your to bold for someone who wont make their balls drag across the cement. You only feel confident behind a keyboard and comp screen. Grow some pubic hair.
lol i play sc since 99, "beating a c terran" - good one, beating some c random newbs proves anything? i had b/b+ many times starting at old wgt/pgt/abyss and so on, so believe me, you have no clue about what you talk about.
Why do i comparw reaver to vulture. Because vulture is a maaaajor harrass unit and a vital unit in tvp mech ball. What harrass unit toss has? A dumbass reaver. Storm drops yea but that is laaaaate game and is rarely done its kinda useless imo. Try beating a 3 base t as p
People read. If a pro is bitching then all lower levels fall under the category it becomes a standard regardless of your ranking. And as terran that is the purpose to blow up your own tank line by a receeding tank line. Why? It baites all of tosses ground force into vapor. Then the receeding tank line comes up while reinforcements arrive. You must not play terran
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The truth is, the real final match was Stats vs Soo. When the ace match was decided, was wrote that KT won the league. Nobody could stop Flash that day.
@AlenRyuu It was arguable that it was Hoejja who turned the tide. His win allowed one more game, and while KT had the very reliable Stats to field, SKT1 had blown all their best players in early matches. Once Stats won the game we all expected him to win, it was a question of who would win the Ace and we all knew who that would be.
If you need an example of how badly being under prepared can affect your play, check out the Flash vs Reality game where Flash lost. At that time Flash was solely practicing for his TvZ final against Zero in the MSL and lost to a Reality who was clearly more prepared on a TvT-dominated map.
@deptrainhatmang And that's exactly what I mean. Flash is totally prepared for Best this time around, no way Best can surprise him. Best responds by doing nothing special in either of his matches. No chance in heck Best is ever going to beat Flash that way. Bisu actually has the ability to improvise, which is why he would've had the better chance to beat Flash, because no way Bisu was only practicing his PvZ knowing there is a chance he's playing Flash.
@Artoo64 I agree that improvisation is very important and Best somewhat lacked it, but improvisation could only matter if you've had the basis of sufficient preparation. Judging on the situation Bisu didn't look like he had as much preparation against Flash as Best did (even though Best's wasn't THAT sufficient). Which makes sending a probably less-prepared Bisu and relying on his improvisation actually more risky. In short, it was a gamble where Coach Park lost.
To bad that SC2 can never be a kick like this. Perhaps its time for the starcraft players to fix SC2 like they did with this game. The devs have failed in my book. SC2 is slowly going down the list here on the gaming channel.
Many of you pundits and coach bashers seemed to forget that the player choice for an ace match isn't entirely an on-the-spot decision. You always train your ace for the match in advance, only the official decision is made right before the match. Best was the guy that the SKT coaches picked weeks ago.
@deptrainhatmang Except he wasn't, and that's the biggest problem. The SKT1 coaches said after the game that they never prepared Best in a special way to specifically beat Flash, and that was evident from Flash beating Best with two different methods in two different games. That's another big strike against using Best rather than Bisu, his lack of improvisation cost him both games when he was too greedy in set 5 and not aggressive enough in the ace match.
it's always easy to say that they made a wrong decision sending out best AFTER he lost, but in reality, if they'd send out anyone else then people would have bitched more when they lost
Best was no doubt the best shot at taking down Flash, he's done well against him lately .. it's just nigh impossible to beat Flash when he puts his mind to it .. both bisu and fanta would have rolled over to him, Flash TvT off the charts and bisu can only beat him one basing
@prplhz0r No, a lot less people would've complained if Best was not sent out rather than Bisu or Fantasy not sent out. Bisu and Fantasy are clutch, that's why Fantasy has never lost in a SPL final match, and Bisu was 10-0 in PvTs last season. Best was no doubt not the best shot at taking down Flash, you can see that from how poorly he's been playing lately, and how much he was killed in Set 5, and now this match. About 80% of the SKT1 fans left as soon as Best was sent out too.
@Artoo64 you're probably right a lot less people would have complained if it was bisu getting his ass handed to him .. but best was still the best shot. last time bisu took out flash was some 1base snipe shennanigan in winner's league, last time before that was over two years ago. bisu cannot beat flash in a regular game. why is his pvt so high then? because, besides flash, who is a great tvp'er? noone.
best beat flash in regular macro games in the last two games they played before this final.
@prplhz0r The difference is Bisu is a better overall player, and more clutch than Best. Also Bisu has been playing well in Proleague whereas Best has played like crap. Head-to-head barely matters when Best can only beat Flash when Flash hasn't prepared for the big matches. Set 5 should have been another clue that Best was going to get beat up, which is exactly what happened.
Fantasy probably the best choice. I believe Best could definetely won that game but on PL finals, you want to trust on a clutch player like Fanta/Bisu
Im not even that good in BW and I could tell some silly mistakes by Best in both games he played. He choked and it will cost a whole year of hard work by SKT.
Congratz on Flash and KT for being so awesome and taking home yet another title.
Flash raped Bisu badly twice not too long ago. Best was the best choose but he failed to deliver. SKT coach was incredible good, he got the best matchups for his players in 6 of 7 games.
@sergiuojog SKT Coach's calls were just decent, it's the KTF coach's ones that were just very bad. 4x Zerg. From a team with one of the worst Z line-ups.
@Strand0410 You just refuse to see the reality :) Bisu got his best matchup (71% vs Z, much more this season), Fanta is not so good vs Z, but he prepared it a lot of individual leagues, s2 didn't get a Terran(he is 33% against terran) on a terran favored map, soo didn't get a zerg (37%), but a Protos (62%) on a zerg favored map. Best was completely useless vs anyone, but Flash. The only exception is By.Sun who played Action and played really well.
@sergiuojog I don't think it's that hard to get good matchups when the only non-zerg players KT will play are Flash and Stats. KT did a good job holding out on Flash, getting him to play Best rather than Bisu and Fantasy (and yes I did just say that), while getting Bisu and Fantasy to play two of their lesser players so that Action would have a better chance. There's no doubt SKT1 made the better decisions until the ace match, but it's not like it was perfectly planned out for them either.
@Artoo64 :D yea, I know, it's hard to swallow it, but no one in SKT is able to beat Flash. Don't blame coaches, they know much more and are not stupid at all. They sent the only active player in the world who had a positive record against Flash and you have no reason to blame them. Bisu is good this season, but he is unable to beat a well prepared Flash. That's why he is out of the OSL.
@sergiuojog The main reason I blame them honestly is because I'm a neutral fan who wanted to see the ace match of Bisu vs. Flash more than anything and didn't get it. And obviously SKT1 coaches know the players better than I do, but I seriously felt they made the wrong decision without proper preparation. Bisu and Fantasy are clutch, and Best is the opposite of clutch.
Best literally had nothing, hardly any temps, no reavers and only like 1-2 arbiters during the time the first timing push came.. which was late because they both got like 3-4 bases before it.
I agree with the other comments, why send best against flash and not bisu or fantasy?
@deptrainhatmang Who would question the coach in that situation? Would Bisu really stand up and say, "I think Best is not the right guy, you should play me instead?" Would that really be the right thing to do, question coach Park's decision and kill his teammate's confidence like that? No one really ever questions a coach's decision during any game, whether it be Starcraft or any sport, but surely the SKT1 fans did, because more than half of them left as soon as Best was chosen.
SKT coach made the right decision in sending out Best, who could not deliver under such pressure. Lack of Final's experience, previous match loss, poor luck, all contributed to his ACE loss. Just one of those days. Bisu or Fantasy may have a better chance, but you never know. It's all history now.
@xiangnan "You never know" only works this way, because if Bisu had played, a lot less people would've said "you never know if Best had played instead." I've made so many arguments against using Best, and more than 50% of the SKT1 fans agreed with me, because they left immediately after Best was chosen for the ace match. You choose your best player for the ace match, your 10-0 PvT player, Bisu, and not the guy who was beat up in Set 5 already.
@Artoo64 Best might have requested to play ACE against Flash. He had a pretty good record against Flash, and the guy hoped to avenge. As the coach, you dont discourage your player to back up because of one loss. Law of average suggests there is a possibility that Best may turn the table. Didn't happen, no one to blame. Bisu and Fantasy are both better player than Best, however, not the best option against Flash. Best was trained to play Flash in the Final, the decision was made before the Final.
@xiangnan And again, Best wasn't specifically trained to beat Flash, which is why I really thought it was not a good idea. You may think no one was to blame, but clearly, the SKT1 fans did, because more than half of them left before the ace match even began. If Best had won, it would be hard to blame coach Park, but he didn't, so his gamble didn't pay off. There's no way there would be the same kind of backlash if Bisu was sent and lost instead.
@xiangnan Also, if you watch Best's matches lately, they are ridiculously sloppy. I know the last match they two played before proleague was Best beating Flash on Circuit Breaker, but Flash played so horribly by his standards that some people actually believe he lured Best to believing that he could beat him, so he could prepare for this moment. I don't think he really had that in mind, but the point is Best did not play well this year, while Bisu did.
Flash has apparently stopped playing std middle-of-the-road against Best for once and actually catered to what kind of play Best likes...Best just got so completely played by Flash it's not even funny.
For all those who think SKT coach made a mistake on sending out Best instead of Bisu STFU, SKT coach made the best decision he could to send out the best player during that time to beat Flash and of course they would be expecting Flash in the ACE match, KT would be a fool if they didn't send out Flash for ACE match, especially for the Final...who wouldn't send out Flash, it just make sense for his record....
@Cz01jnLor The best player to beat Flash is someone who just got crushed in Set 5 and did not make any specific preparations to play him in practice? And not someone who was 10-0 in PvT in the proleague that year? I highly disagree, and so did more than 50% of the SKT1 fans, the ones who left immediately when Best was chosen for the ace match. I really feel sorry for Best because he's such an emotional guy, but it was the wrong decision imo when it was made, and it's easy to stand by it now.
@Artoo64 I know you have a point there, but look it from the coach point of view, sure he might of made a mistake, but what can you say, he made the best judgement from his player and history has made.....KT won....all the way...thats too bad for all those who are SKT fan...
@tastyhotcakes Actually the SKT1 coaches were interviewed after the match and said that Best was not preparing specifically for Flash, all the more reason to seriously question their decision not to send out Bisu or Fantasy against Flash.
You all are doing a good job flaming me. Nice to see you take this game rather religiously and what do you get out of it? Play pvt with a 100 apm terrran. You will be sweating blood.
@llmbs Derp this is BW with completely different calculation of APM, not your newfag SC2. BW = 200-400 APM durrrr.
Watching you bitch about a game that hasn't been patched in a decade and has a 33% flat winrate across the board because your SC2 play is bad. QQ more.
@famas2life It's probably because SKT knew KT would definitely put Flash as their ACE. Before the Proleague Finals, Best had a 6-5 record versus Flash while Bisu has a record of 10-16 versus Flash. Moreover, the ACE map that was played (Circuit Breaker), Best won Flash on this map the last time they met.
Made sense for the SKT coach to put Best as their ACE.
There is absolutely no justification for not putting Bisu in to play the ace match. Bisu is the team's most accomplished and highest ranking player (in other words: best player). Putting another player in makes no sense whatsoever.
@AlmightyDreadlock Oh, stfu niggar, BIsu would be destroyed by Flash anyway, and i think he would be destroyed 10 minutes earlier due to his sub-par macro.
Fuck you, little pink skinned bitch. You speculate like a cunt. Regardless of his record versus Flash, Bisu remains his team's best player, and should have fought such an important match.
And, once again, you cocksucker, fuck you for not letting a man have his opinion in peace.
@AlmightyDreadlock Bisu is the all-round best SKT1 player, but Best was the better choice, because they're not playing a random, they're specifically playing Flash and Bisu's PvT is rather weak now. Plus the guy is awful at using Carriers (one of the two main endgame PvT branches)
@Strand0410 You know that Bisu's PvT ELO is 5 points off the record right now? And that he was 10-0 PvT in the proleague? If Bisu's PvT is weak right now, I guess protoss should just surrender when they play a terran.
@AlmightyDreadlock I agree. Bisu is clearly the better choice. Just because Best has a better win ratio against flash does not mean that he is the better option. Although he doesnt dominate in PvT as much as he does in PvZ, he is still arguably the best PvT protoss in the in the BW scene
O yes, very original, Mr Cocksucker. I may be a lowlife, not even worthy of being called 'human', but at least I'm not the one who puts another man's penis into his mouth and the guzzles the sperm which comes out. To me, mouthy little bitches like you got boring about 15 years ago, but I still enjoy the occasional confrontation. Come with another attack, sucker, I'm sure it'll be really creative.
TOmValedro is an infamous troll who always bitched about imbalance in starcraft videos. You guys do not need to pay attention to this dog's bitching. Who give a shit about a noob who cannot spell progamer's name correctly.
Of course, there is very important other factors such as denying Best's mineral expansion and force him to get 3'o clock expansion which left Best vulnerable to vulture harass. But overall Flash just had a better preparation.
Take a look at 6/12 Flash vs Best in the same map and compare it with this one. We can clearly see that Flash has prepared better; therefore, won this game. His push timing is way earlier than the one in the previous match. Best, in my opinion, wasn't playing badly or anything, number of his gateway was insanely high and if Flash pushed like 2~3 min later, Flash would have no chance at all. Flash was just better prepared for this match.
Flash just DOMINATES. Bisu wouldn't have had much success either,give it a break. Fantasy also is weaker in TVT. Best had a good chance but was kinda scared of Flash. FFS..if it was Flash vs SKT he 'd win anyway:))
Bisu should have been Flash'es opponent in the ace match.SKT's coach made an epic FAIL. Come to think it, Flash already won against him in their match and they sent Best again WTF.Best' strategy may have been distracted with his revenge and maybe the coaches' were overconfident over the map.
@seabard77 Where are you getting these statistics? Flash vs. Bisu is 16-10 all time. Also Flash has won against the last 3 Protosses he played before this. Another thing to consider is that Bisu's PvT in this proleague was undefeated, 10-0, and his proleague play is usually considered the only one who can stand up to Flash. There's no way you can say that if Flash didn't push when he did in the ace match he wouldn't have won, he out-macroed the macro master.
best have so many dragoon and he never attempt to destroyed the science vessel at first! WTF! BISU have much higher winner rate that this BesT! Omaygad:D
@poooo7 Best has the highest winrate against Flash in SKT(maybe even outside SKT except JD). It's just that he was too nervous because of his loss earlier. During Flash's push, he must've been spending all of his time advancing, retreating and microing his army that he forgot to keep ALL of his gateways busy. Flash is experienced and clutch, while Best cracked under pressure. He is SKT's best bet, so people should stop complaining about Coach Park's decision.
Go KT all the way, you can tell after the first three game KT coach were very worry about winning the final, but after Hoejja won his match, the game turn around...
guys keep in mind that the ebay that Flash used to delay Best's 3rd actually hurt Best more than we think it did. Not only it served its delaying purpose but also made Best having to get 3 bases off 6 gates. Normally Best gets 3 bases off 4 gates which allows him to gain a good econ + tech timing but 6 gates mean his econ wouldn't be as good as off 4 gates and his tech will kick in slower. Notice how in the game as Best's Stargate started warping in Flash began constructing his Science Facility.
@famas2life it's because the only protoss that have been able to beat flash convincingly is Best, bisu have been beaten really badly. maybe bisu is the best against zerg players, but against terran he isn't so solid
@Velosirraton Like Bisu going 10-0 against Terran in the Proleague this year? -_- I mean, seriously, from a professional standpoint, I can understand why they sent Best, but seriously, it was a stupid decision from the start. This proleague showed that sniping does not work when the "sniped" have the proper preparation. See sets 3, 4, 5, and 6, and of course, this set of this bout for fast evidence. It's the ace match, SEND OUT YOUR ACE. Very disappointed with Coach Park's poor decision.
@daboom2006 You can't be way better than Bisu at anything -_-. Best's macro is better than Bisu, but he lacks in pretty much everything else, including improvisation, which cost Best this game. Best can snipe Flash when Flash is not prepared, but once he is, you need to send out your ace, and that is Bisu, who has a better PvT than Best despite Bisu's PvT being his worst matchup and Best's PvT being his best.
@Artoo64 FOMOS, and you're including unofficial events such as WCG and etc in which players don't really practice or prepare for it. For official matches, it is 12-5
@Artoo64 So your saying Bisu would have beaten flash? No chance. Did you look at the MSL Games. Flash is STILL getting better and Better. He learns from all his mistakes. He is a monster. Bisu peaked a few years ago. Not only that. Flash has wrist problems. So after his surgery he will be back to the dominant force he was in 2010 if not Better.
MSL Flash 2 - Bisu 0. Best was the better choice. But i had no doubt flash would rape best.
@daboom2006 No, I'm not saying Bisu would've beaten Flash, but he would've had the better chance. When Flash is prepared for Best, and Best hasn't even practiced specifically against Flash, you send out your ace, especially since Best got owned in Set 5. And your ace is Bisu, who is 10-0 in PvT in this year's Proleague.
@daboom2006 If they had played Bisu and he lost, few people would've berated coach Park for not sending out Best, who again, was destroyed in Set 5. Instead, more than 50% of SKT1 fans in the venue left immediately when Best was chosen in the ace match instead of Bisu. You can call them fake fans or whatever, but in this case, they were right to believe that coach Park made the wrong decision.
i love getting fast arbiters but surely from a normal perspective arbiters just werent utilised enough here. i saw one statis...no recalls. i just dont see how a 200 protoss ground army could ever compete with a 200 terran ground army no matter who the terran is without good arbiter use
So I'm just getting into this game, but from what I knew, I was rooting for SKT, but after seeing the KT coach.... I feel better. Also, it looks like beating a Terran who turtles is REALLY hard.
@Dmaster484 You need to outmacro him, taking exp and try to denie map control and harass. Anyway, Flash is know for his ridiculous timing attacks. He outmacroed Best, in his own game.
@Strand0410 Sc2 is my first starcraft game, but I borrowed BW and have given it some time... I was more referring to the fact that beating a terran who maxes with like 15+ siege tanks seems really hard. obviously there are ways, and I know what I would do in SC2, but in this game... it looks like spider mines make pressure difficult. Also the fact that tanks seem scarier in this game. At least in this set, it seemed that Flash pressured AND macroed hard. but maybe that's because he's Flash.
@Dmaster484 It's hard to beat a Terran by throwing gateway units at tanks (which hard counter gateway). Find ways around it. Carriers, Arbiters, Storm.
Spider-Mines aren't a God Mode button. They often work against the Terran Player, can be cleared out etc. Look at the epic mine drags Best pulled off in the first game vs Flash where 2-3 zealots cleared out an entire tank line.
@ all the idiots who think Bisu had a better chance he has inferior vsT and a worse record head2head with flash. Best is 1 dimensional but his PvT is still beastly and he beat Flash on this map just 2 months ago
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Pemonides 18 hours ago
I am on the verge of sleeping at like 3 am... then i saw Flash, Starcraft, and a Shit load of Gateways..... i had to watch...
FullxKoReAn 2 days ago
Starts at 5:20
facultydOTY 2 days ago
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Pemonides 18 hours ago
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facultydOTY 16 hours ago
Volter 84. Show me some reps of you beating a c terran preferably korean. Then come back and talk. Your to bold for someone who wont make their balls drag across the cement. You only feel confident behind a keyboard and comp screen. Grow some pubic hair.
llmbs 2 weeks ago
@llmbs
lol i play sc since 99, "beating a c terran" - good one, beating some c random newbs proves anything? i had b/b+ many times starting at old wgt/pgt/abyss and so on, so believe me, you have no clue about what you talk about.
can send you some replay if you like, pm me
volter84 1 week ago
game starts at 5:22
freeplay2414 2 weeks ago
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Starcraft2236 3 weeks ago
이영호가스타판에서압도적인이유는실력도잇지만눈치와상대방의스타일파악이타의추종을불허한다스캔타이밍하며완전배제질
Starcraft2236 3 weeks ago
normally i see celebrations with champagne, they are using water
chenf983 3 weeks ago
Why do i comparw reaver to vulture. Because vulture is a maaaajor harrass unit and a vital unit in tvp mech ball. What harrass unit toss has? A dumbass reaver. Storm drops yea but that is laaaaate game and is rarely done its kinda useless imo. Try beating a 3 base t as p
llmbs 3 weeks ago
@llmbs hurr durrr imbalance imbalance...why protoss no always da winner...
Proleage stats from last year: PvT was 56% for Protoss. You're just a noob that can't play the game.
chairmobile 3 weeks ago
@llmbs
haha you have no clue about sc, trust me
volter84 2 weeks ago
People read. If a pro is bitching then all lower levels fall under the category it becomes a standard regardless of your ranking. And as terran that is the purpose to blow up your own tank line by a receeding tank line. Why? It baites all of tosses ground force into vapor. Then the receeding tank line comes up while reinforcements arrive. You must not play terran
llmbs 3 weeks ago
Pocari Sweat bath!! lol
wairaikun 3 weeks ago
cheerleaders LOLLL 28:23
CsAnnihilationII 1 month ago
where is Bisu?
bearlearnpiano 1 month ago
what a waste of pocari lol
dchoi090 1 month ago
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cyrusapollo1 3 months ago
Terran is the weakest of all 3 race in SC, it the exception players that mades Terran inbalance.
All of this exception players are emploring 60% of boxer creativity.
unrivall 4 months ago
@unrivall You are an idiot
Ur0pinionDoesntCount 3 months ago
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snakesqwertyuiop 1 month ago
@unrivall this is the dumbest thing i've ever heard, do you even play starcraft?
Ur0pinionDoesntCount 1 month ago
game starts at 5:20
FaithForLife1990 5 months ago 10
soccer 2 is possibole? Yes. But soccer will always be soccer. BW is bw, at 2020 we'll be playing bw yet.
hugotavares6 5 months ago
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Spanxxx 6 months ago
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eddyaidik 6 months ago
Starts at 5:21
eddyaidik 6 months ago 21
Game starts at 5:16 for those who don't like the korean commentators or don't understand korean.
ErcPeace 6 months ago
The truth is, the real final match was Stats vs Soo. When the ace match was decided, was wrote that KT won the league. Nobody could stop Flash that day.
AlenRyuu 6 months ago
@AlenRyuu It was arguable that it was Hoejja who turned the tide. His win allowed one more game, and while KT had the very reliable Stats to field, SKT1 had blown all their best players in early matches. Once Stats won the game we all expected him to win, it was a question of who would win the Ace and we all knew who that would be.
Strand0410 6 months ago
uhh
wasdwasdedsf 5 months ago
lol
wasdwasdedsf 5 months ago
was BeST really the best choice against Flash? I'm sure Bisu or even Fantasy could have been a better match against Flash.. ugh
jhee1207 6 months ago
Just fuckin' awesome :) bw forever
nionim 6 months ago 2
If you need an example of how badly being under prepared can affect your play, check out the Flash vs Reality game where Flash lost. At that time Flash was solely practicing for his TvZ final against Zero in the MSL and lost to a Reality who was clearly more prepared on a TvT-dominated map.
deptrainhatmang 6 months ago
@deptrainhatmang And that's exactly what I mean. Flash is totally prepared for Best this time around, no way Best can surprise him. Best responds by doing nothing special in either of his matches. No chance in heck Best is ever going to beat Flash that way. Bisu actually has the ability to improvise, which is why he would've had the better chance to beat Flash, because no way Bisu was only practicing his PvZ knowing there is a chance he's playing Flash.
Artoo64 6 months ago
@Artoo64 I agree that improvisation is very important and Best somewhat lacked it, but improvisation could only matter if you've had the basis of sufficient preparation. Judging on the situation Bisu didn't look like he had as much preparation against Flash as Best did (even though Best's wasn't THAT sufficient). Which makes sending a probably less-prepared Bisu and relying on his improvisation actually more risky. In short, it was a gamble where Coach Park lost.
deptrainhatmang 6 months ago
To bad that SC2 can never be a kick like this. Perhaps its time for the starcraft players to fix SC2 like they did with this game. The devs have failed in my book. SC2 is slowly going down the list here on the gaming channel.
enitel 6 months ago
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This @poooo7 Flash vs Bisu 12:5, Best vs Flash 6:5 before the final, 6:7 after the final
Higher winning percentage? man your math teachers have failed you badly didn't they?
enitel 6 months ago
Many of you pundits and coach bashers seemed to forget that the player choice for an ace match isn't entirely an on-the-spot decision. You always train your ace for the match in advance, only the official decision is made right before the match. Best was the guy that the SKT coaches picked weeks ago.
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Artoo64 6 months ago
@deptrainhatmang Except he wasn't, and that's the biggest problem. The SKT1 coaches said after the game that they never prepared Best in a special way to specifically beat Flash, and that was evident from Flash beating Best with two different methods in two different games. That's another big strike against using Best rather than Bisu, his lack of improvisation cost him both games when he was too greedy in set 5 and not aggressive enough in the ace match.
Artoo64 6 months ago
When's the last time a Protoss won OSL since Stork like 3 years ago...?
ppshchik 6 months ago
Greatest Broodwar Player Ever?
mholden02 6 months ago
@mholden02
thats not even a question
manudead454 6 months ago
lol
wasdwasdedsf 5 months ago
it wouldve been gg at 12:28
dchoi090 6 months ago
Good to see the BW elitist are still strong in this day and age, can't peacefully coexist
PwnNubtarzz 6 months ago
bisu/fantasy clutch? the hell
it's always easy to say that they made a wrong decision sending out best AFTER he lost, but in reality, if they'd send out anyone else then people would have bitched more when they lost
Best was no doubt the best shot at taking down Flash, he's done well against him lately .. it's just nigh impossible to beat Flash when he puts his mind to it .. both bisu and fanta would have rolled over to him, Flash TvT off the charts and bisu can only beat him one basing
prplhz0r 6 months ago
@prplhz0r No, a lot less people would've complained if Best was not sent out rather than Bisu or Fantasy not sent out. Bisu and Fantasy are clutch, that's why Fantasy has never lost in a SPL final match, and Bisu was 10-0 in PvTs last season. Best was no doubt not the best shot at taking down Flash, you can see that from how poorly he's been playing lately, and how much he was killed in Set 5, and now this match. About 80% of the SKT1 fans left as soon as Best was sent out too.
Artoo64 6 months ago
@Artoo64 you're probably right a lot less people would have complained if it was bisu getting his ass handed to him .. but best was still the best shot. last time bisu took out flash was some 1base snipe shennanigan in winner's league, last time before that was over two years ago. bisu cannot beat flash in a regular game. why is his pvt so high then? because, besides flash, who is a great tvp'er? noone.
best beat flash in regular macro games in the last two games they played before this final.
prplhz0r 6 months ago
@prplhz0r The difference is Bisu is a better overall player, and more clutch than Best. Also Bisu has been playing well in Proleague whereas Best has played like crap. Head-to-head barely matters when Best can only beat Flash when Flash hasn't prepared for the big matches. Set 5 should have been another clue that Best was going to get beat up, which is exactly what happened.
Artoo64 6 months ago
LOL WHAT
wasdwasdedsf 5 months ago
LOL WHAT
wasdwasdedsf 5 months ago
Fantasy probably the best choice. I believe Best could definetely won that game but on PL finals, you want to trust on a clutch player like Fanta/Bisu
Im not even that good in BW and I could tell some silly mistakes by Best in both games he played. He choked and it will cost a whole year of hard work by SKT.
Congratz on Flash and KT for being so awesome and taking home yet another title.
gustavohmp 6 months ago
I wtf'ed also why best when they have Fantasy!!! and Bisu!
retarded.
5p1t 6 months ago
I was hoping for fantasy in the ace match.
TheEggm 6 months ago
sc2 will never have the thrill of a game bw
yurinoiado 6 months ago 24
Flash raped Bisu badly twice not too long ago. Best was the best choose but he failed to deliver. SKT coach was incredible good, he got the best matchups for his players in 6 of 7 games.
sergiuojog 6 months ago
@sergiuojog SKT Coach's calls were just decent, it's the KTF coach's ones that were just very bad. 4x Zerg. From a team with one of the worst Z line-ups.
Strand0410 6 months ago
@Strand0410 You just refuse to see the reality :) Bisu got his best matchup (71% vs Z, much more this season), Fanta is not so good vs Z, but he prepared it a lot of individual leagues, s2 didn't get a Terran(he is 33% against terran) on a terran favored map, soo didn't get a zerg (37%), but a Protos (62%) on a zerg favored map. Best was completely useless vs anyone, but Flash. The only exception is By.Sun who played Action and played really well.
sergiuojog 6 months ago
@sergiuojog I don't think it's that hard to get good matchups when the only non-zerg players KT will play are Flash and Stats. KT did a good job holding out on Flash, getting him to play Best rather than Bisu and Fantasy (and yes I did just say that), while getting Bisu and Fantasy to play two of their lesser players so that Action would have a better chance. There's no doubt SKT1 made the better decisions until the ace match, but it's not like it was perfectly planned out for them either.
Artoo64 6 months ago
@Artoo64 :D yea, I know, it's hard to swallow it, but no one in SKT is able to beat Flash. Don't blame coaches, they know much more and are not stupid at all. They sent the only active player in the world who had a positive record against Flash and you have no reason to blame them. Bisu is good this season, but he is unable to beat a well prepared Flash. That's why he is out of the OSL.
sergiuojog 6 months ago
@sergiuojog The main reason I blame them honestly is because I'm a neutral fan who wanted to see the ace match of Bisu vs. Flash more than anything and didn't get it. And obviously SKT1 coaches know the players better than I do, but I seriously felt they made the wrong decision without proper preparation. Bisu and Fantasy are clutch, and Best is the opposite of clutch.
Artoo64 6 months ago
lol clutch
wasdwasdedsf 5 months ago
how much money Flash made?
chaidaro 6 months ago
Best literally had nothing, hardly any temps, no reavers and only like 1-2 arbiters during the time the first timing push came.. which was late because they both got like 3-4 bases before it.
I agree with the other comments, why send best against flash and not bisu or fantasy?
ratatouillez 6 months ago
ahhh Congrats!!
Yo estoy de acuerdo en que haya jugado Best y no Bisu.
34:16 OMG poor little things ='(
it breaks my heart
ánimo equipo! ♥
XxDollStuffxX 6 months ago
if coach park's decision wasn't the most well thought one then why hasn't anybody on the team stood up ? where's bisu, fantasy and oov?
deptrainhatmang 6 months ago
@deptrainhatmang Who would question the coach in that situation? Would Bisu really stand up and say, "I think Best is not the right guy, you should play me instead?" Would that really be the right thing to do, question coach Park's decision and kill his teammate's confidence like that? No one really ever questions a coach's decision during any game, whether it be Starcraft or any sport, but surely the SKT1 fans did, because more than half of them left as soon as Best was chosen.
Artoo64 6 months ago
SKT coach made the right decision in sending out Best, who could not deliver under such pressure. Lack of Final's experience, previous match loss, poor luck, all contributed to his ACE loss. Just one of those days. Bisu or Fantasy may have a better chance, but you never know. It's all history now.
xiangnan 6 months ago
@xiangnan "You never know" only works this way, because if Bisu had played, a lot less people would've said "you never know if Best had played instead." I've made so many arguments against using Best, and more than 50% of the SKT1 fans agreed with me, because they left immediately after Best was chosen for the ace match. You choose your best player for the ace match, your 10-0 PvT player, Bisu, and not the guy who was beat up in Set 5 already.
Artoo64 6 months ago
@Artoo64 Best might have requested to play ACE against Flash. He had a pretty good record against Flash, and the guy hoped to avenge. As the coach, you dont discourage your player to back up because of one loss. Law of average suggests there is a possibility that Best may turn the table. Didn't happen, no one to blame. Bisu and Fantasy are both better player than Best, however, not the best option against Flash. Best was trained to play Flash in the Final, the decision was made before the Final.
xiangnan 6 months ago
@xiangnan And again, Best wasn't specifically trained to beat Flash, which is why I really thought it was not a good idea. You may think no one was to blame, but clearly, the SKT1 fans did, because more than half of them left before the ace match even began. If Best had won, it would be hard to blame coach Park, but he didn't, so his gamble didn't pay off. There's no way there would be the same kind of backlash if Bisu was sent and lost instead.
Artoo64 6 months ago
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Artoo64 6 months ago
lol what leaving thing are you on about
wasdwasdedsf 5 months ago
@xiangnan Also, if you watch Best's matches lately, they are ridiculously sloppy. I know the last match they two played before proleague was Best beating Flash on Circuit Breaker, but Flash played so horribly by his standards that some people actually believe he lured Best to believing that he could beat him, so he could prepare for this moment. I don't think he really had that in mind, but the point is Best did not play well this year, while Bisu did.
Artoo64 6 months ago
uhhhhhhh
wasdwasdedsf 5 months ago
you havent used any arguments. anywhere.
wasdwasdedsf 5 months ago
Flash has apparently stopped playing std middle-of-the-road against Best for once and actually catered to what kind of play Best likes...Best just got so completely played by Flash it's not even funny.
ymir233 6 months ago
For all those who think SKT coach made a mistake on sending out Best instead of Bisu STFU, SKT coach made the best decision he could to send out the best player during that time to beat Flash and of course they would be expecting Flash in the ACE match, KT would be a fool if they didn't send out Flash for ACE match, especially for the Final...who wouldn't send out Flash, it just make sense for his record....
Cz01jnLor 6 months ago
@Cz01jnLor The best player to beat Flash is someone who just got crushed in Set 5 and did not make any specific preparations to play him in practice? And not someone who was 10-0 in PvT in the proleague that year? I highly disagree, and so did more than 50% of the SKT1 fans, the ones who left immediately when Best was chosen for the ace match. I really feel sorry for Best because he's such an emotional guy, but it was the wrong decision imo when it was made, and it's easy to stand by it now.
Artoo64 6 months ago
@Artoo64 I know you have a point there, but look it from the coach point of view, sure he might of made a mistake, but what can you say, he made the best judgement from his player and history has made.....KT won....all the way...thats too bad for all those who are SKT fan...
Cz01jnLor 6 months ago
lol proof?
wasdwasdedsf 5 months ago
easy to stand by what
wasdwasdedsf 5 months ago
@tastyhotcakes Actually the SKT1 coaches were interviewed after the match and said that Best was not preparing specifically for Flash, all the more reason to seriously question their decision not to send out Bisu or Fantasy against Flash.
Artoo64 6 months ago
starts 5:19
GraniteAge 6 months ago
I prefeer to play plants vs. Zombies' xD
Darkgvm 6 months ago
Fantasy would have put up a much better fight, seriously
IamtheAlienator 6 months ago
You all are doing a good job flaming me. Nice to see you take this game rather religiously and what do you get out of it? Play pvt with a 100 apm terrran. You will be sweating blood.
llmbs 6 months ago
@llmbs Derp this is BW with completely different calculation of APM, not your newfag SC2. BW = 200-400 APM durrrr.
Watching you bitch about a game that hasn't been patched in a decade and has a 33% flat winrate across the board because your SC2 play is bad. QQ more.
Strand0410 6 months ago
chose best, because previous games had won best flash, flash besides defeated Bisu previous games, however no one can flash
metal592 6 months ago
ajaja wena flash le patreaste el culo de todas maneras a bisu hubieras ganado eres el padre delñ starcrat
metal592 6 months ago
Best lost 0-2. GOOD DAY. RETIRE PLEASE.
corianderthal 6 months ago
@famas2life It's probably because SKT knew KT would definitely put Flash as their ACE. Before the Proleague Finals, Best had a 6-5 record versus Flash while Bisu has a record of 10-16 versus Flash. Moreover, the ACE map that was played (Circuit Breaker), Best won Flash on this map the last time they met.
Made sense for the SKT coach to put Best as their ACE.
Ooone13 6 months ago
MVP! MVP! MVP! KT FLASH! KT FLASH! KT FLASH!!! YOUNGHO HWAITING!
KTFlaSh96 6 months ago
There is absolutely no justification for not putting Bisu in to play the ace match. Bisu is the team's most accomplished and highest ranking player (in other words: best player). Putting another player in makes no sense whatsoever.
AlmightyDreadlock 6 months ago
@AlmightyDreadlock Oh, stfu niggar, BIsu would be destroyed by Flash anyway, and i think he would be destroyed 10 minutes earlier due to his sub-par macro.
minhbeo 6 months ago
Fuck you, little pink skinned bitch. You speculate like a cunt. Regardless of his record versus Flash, Bisu remains his team's best player, and should have fought such an important match.
And, once again, you cocksucker, fuck you for not letting a man have his opinion in peace.
AlmightyDreadlock 6 months ago
@AlmightyDreadlock Bisu is the all-round best SKT1 player, but Best was the better choice, because they're not playing a random, they're specifically playing Flash and Bisu's PvT is rather weak now. Plus the guy is awful at using Carriers (one of the two main endgame PvT branches)
Strand0410 6 months ago
@Strand0410 You know that Bisu's PvT ELO is 5 points off the record right now? And that he was 10-0 PvT in the proleague? If Bisu's PvT is weak right now, I guess protoss should just surrender when they play a terran.
Artoo64 6 months ago
@Artoo64 Flash has Bisu's number cold when it comes to PvTs. Just watch the clinical dismantling he did in the MSL
tscong1 3 weeks ago
@AlmightyDreadlock I agree. Bisu is clearly the better choice. Just because Best has a better win ratio against flash does not mean that he is the better option. Although he doesnt dominate in PvT as much as he does in PvZ, he is still arguably the best PvT protoss in the in the BW scene
Keftes89 6 months ago
@AlmightyDreadlock Niggar do not have the right to have opinions. Stfu low- life.
minhbeo 6 months ago
O yes, very original, Mr Cocksucker. I may be a lowlife, not even worthy of being called 'human', but at least I'm not the one who puts another man's penis into his mouth and the guzzles the sperm which comes out. To me, mouthy little bitches like you got boring about 15 years ago, but I still enjoy the occasional confrontation. Come with another attack, sucker, I'm sure it'll be really creative.
AlmightyDreadlock 6 months ago
Whats the name of the song after KT wins?
Oyo321 6 months ago
TOmValedro is an infamous troll who always bitched about imbalance in starcraft videos. You guys do not need to pay attention to this dog's bitching. Who give a shit about a noob who cannot spell progamer's name correctly.
minhbeo 6 months ago
Of course, there is very important other factors such as denying Best's mineral expansion and force him to get 3'o clock expansion which left Best vulnerable to vulture harass. But overall Flash just had a better preparation.
seabard77 6 months ago
Take a look at 6/12 Flash vs Best in the same map and compare it with this one. We can clearly see that Flash has prepared better; therefore, won this game. His push timing is way earlier than the one in the previous match. Best, in my opinion, wasn't playing badly or anything, number of his gateway was insanely high and if Flash pushed like 2~3 min later, Flash would have no chance at all. Flash was just better prepared for this match.
seabard77 6 months ago
Best wins by using Dark Archons to mind control Flash's Battlecruiser and Valk Fleet.
pl0xers 6 months ago
Flash just DOMINATES. Bisu wouldn't have had much success either,give it a break. Fantasy also is weaker in TVT. Best had a good chance but was kinda scared of Flash. FFS..if it was Flash vs SKT he 'd win anyway:))
emperor1994 6 months ago
bisu is pretty weak best is better choice
leukanj 6 months ago
Bisu should have been Flash'es opponent in the ace match.SKT's coach made an epic FAIL. Come to think it, Flash already won against him in their match and they sent Best again WTF.Best' strategy may have been distracted with his revenge and maybe the coaches' were overconfident over the map.
elmerpogs 6 months ago
@elmerpogs plz don't talk about things that you have no idea.
Flash has been dominating Bisu recently, also 12-5 all time record
and losing to Flash after scouting proxy barrack in MSL and another game after that.
Best is leading 6-5 in all time record and has won against Flash twice consecutively.
You would have to be a idiot to put Bisu against Flash
seabard77 6 months ago
@seabard77 Where are you getting these statistics? Flash vs. Bisu is 16-10 all time. Also Flash has won against the last 3 Protosses he played before this. Another thing to consider is that Bisu's PvT in this proleague was undefeated, 10-0, and his proleague play is usually considered the only one who can stand up to Flash. There's no way you can say that if Flash didn't push when he did in the ace match he wouldn't have won, he out-macroed the macro master.
Artoo64 6 months ago
@Artoo64 Flash is leading Bisu by 15-10 if you include non official matches, excluding non official ones it is 12-5 Flash leading of course
seabard77 6 months ago
34:16 , look at the posture of Best =)) =)), i would say he look like an embarassed little girl =))
minhbeo 6 months ago
best have so many dragoon and he never attempt to destroyed the science vessel at first! WTF! BISU have much higher winner rate that this BesT! Omaygad:D
poooo7 6 months ago
@poooo7 Best has the highest winrate against Flash in SKT(maybe even outside SKT except JD). It's just that he was too nervous because of his loss earlier. During Flash's push, he must've been spending all of his time advancing, retreating and microing his army that he forgot to keep ALL of his gateways busy. Flash is experienced and clutch, while Best cracked under pressure. He is SKT's best bet, so people should stop complaining about Coach Park's decision.
NicksonReyes 6 months ago
@NicksonReyes Actually, before the finals, Best had a positive record against Flash(6-5) unlike JD.
NicksonReyes 6 months ago
@NicksonReyes very true
seabard77 6 months ago
@poooo7 Flash vs Bisu 12:5, Best vs Flash 6:5 before the final, 6:7 after the final
Higher winning percentage? man your math teachers have failed you badly didn't they?
seabard77 6 months ago
How does he do it look at that army at 20:00 with those upgrades? Hax4sure lol. Epically good game by winner.
drez13 6 months ago
@famas2life Because Bisu sucks versus Flash and maybe in the planning process, Bisu only practiced to snipe KT Zerg and on his specific map.
minhbeo 6 months ago
we all know who won before it started
l33tcars 6 months ago
Flash the unstoppable God of Starcraft.
red4ce 6 months ago 5
@red4ce He is an imbalance that Blizzard can't fix.
chaidaro 6 months ago 9
Go KT all the way, you can tell after the first three game KT coach were very worry about winning the final, but after Hoejja won his match, the game turn around...
Cz01jnLor 6 months ago
Spoiler........
Flash won in 19:30 upgrading 2 offense 1 defense with 2 aromry make the diference vs Best
as soon he up grade Best could not stop him the game was already finished,
MOLDESALE 6 months ago
INSANE MACRO
cyberleo91 6 months ago
Wow shit I accidentally skipped to the end because of the other vids lol
YouJustAmazeMe 6 months ago
Rename "Comment section" to "Spoiler section"
tommycarstensen 6 months ago
guys keep in mind that the ebay that Flash used to delay Best's 3rd actually hurt Best more than we think it did. Not only it served its delaying purpose but also made Best having to get 3 bases off 6 gates. Normally Best gets 3 bases off 4 gates which allows him to gain a good econ + tech timing but 6 gates mean his econ wouldn't be as good as off 4 gates and his tech will kick in slower. Notice how in the game as Best's Stargate started warping in Flash began constructing his Science Facility.
deptrainhatmang 6 months ago
Should've sent Bisu... fail. FAIL!
MoonyD911 6 months ago
@MoonyD911 I agree, it would have been a much sweeter victory if flash knocked the crap out of bisu for the ace oh well...
friendbg 6 months ago
Flash imba
one4aJIb 6 months ago
@famas2life it's because the only protoss that have been able to beat flash convincingly is Best, bisu have been beaten really badly. maybe bisu is the best against zerg players, but against terran he isn't so solid
Velosirraton 6 months ago
@Velosirraton Like Bisu going 10-0 against Terran in the Proleague this year? -_- I mean, seriously, from a professional standpoint, I can understand why they sent Best, but seriously, it was a stupid decision from the start. This proleague showed that sniping does not work when the "sniped" have the proper preparation. See sets 3, 4, 5, and 6, and of course, this set of this bout for fast evidence. It's the ace match, SEND OUT YOUR ACE. Very disappointed with Coach Park's poor decision.
Artoo64 6 months ago
Bisu should have insisted that he be sent out...I had total faith in him lol.
I thought Best could have perhaps won as well, but Flash was too strong this time.
crazeh 6 months ago
But great in ProLeagues, I don't know, personally I thought Fantasy or Bisu would have been a better choice.
FirebatMoogle 6 months ago
@famas2life Because he raped bisu in MSL AND Best has way better macro than Bisu?
daboom2006 6 months ago
@daboom2006 You have to remember, Bisu is also known to do TERRIBLE in starleagues
FirebatMoogle 6 months ago
@daboom2006 You can't be way better than Bisu at anything -_-. Best's macro is better than Bisu, but he lacks in pretty much everything else, including improvisation, which cost Best this game. Best can snipe Flash when Flash is not prepared, but once he is, you need to send out your ace, and that is Bisu, who has a better PvT than Best despite Bisu's PvT being his worst matchup and Best's PvT being his best.
Artoo64 6 months ago
@Artoo64 FOMOS, and you're including unofficial events such as WCG and etc in which players don't really practice or prepare for it. For official matches, it is 12-5
seabard77 6 months ago
@Artoo64 So your saying Bisu would have beaten flash? No chance. Did you look at the MSL Games. Flash is STILL getting better and Better. He learns from all his mistakes. He is a monster. Bisu peaked a few years ago. Not only that. Flash has wrist problems. So after his surgery he will be back to the dominant force he was in 2010 if not Better.
MSL Flash 2 - Bisu 0. Best was the better choice. But i had no doubt flash would rape best.
daboom2006 6 months ago
@daboom2006 No, I'm not saying Bisu would've beaten Flash, but he would've had the better chance. When Flash is prepared for Best, and Best hasn't even practiced specifically against Flash, you send out your ace, especially since Best got owned in Set 5. And your ace is Bisu, who is 10-0 in PvT in this year's Proleague.
Artoo64 6 months ago
@daboom2006 If they had played Bisu and he lost, few people would've berated coach Park for not sending out Best, who again, was destroyed in Set 5. Instead, more than 50% of SKT1 fans in the venue left immediately when Best was chosen in the ace match instead of Bisu. You can call them fake fans or whatever, but in this case, they were right to believe that coach Park made the wrong decision.
Artoo64 6 months ago
@Artoo64 Im glad he did send out Best. Because this proves when both are well prepared. THat once and for All Flash is better than Best.
daboom2006 6 months ago
:S I don't like the song at the end, sound like the end.... I have fear.
zerazobz 6 months ago
SC1 pro scene is more epic than SC2 pro scene...sadly
LucLeFou 6 months ago 2
@LucLeFou so true, but isn't sadm i think which is awesome xD
Velosirraton 6 months ago
mass zealot + dt fail so bad
sapito169 6 months ago
why are they celebrating? i figure any team with flash on it would take it 100%
davaochat 6 months ago
i love getting fast arbiters but surely from a normal perspective arbiters just werent utilised enough here. i saw one statis...no recalls. i just dont see how a 200 protoss ground army could ever compete with a 200 terran ground army no matter who the terran is without good arbiter use
LePianoDentist 6 months ago
@LePianoDentist Didnt u see the empS???? lol
MarkScello 6 months ago
Best thought he could outplay flash in a properly prepared game. LOL. FLASH IS GOD.
daboom2006 6 months ago
best lost due to the first harassment. it hurt him alot
KateandKlive 6 months ago
So I'm just getting into this game, but from what I knew, I was rooting for SKT, but after seeing the KT coach.... I feel better. Also, it looks like beating a Terran who turtles is REALLY hard.
Dmaster484 6 months ago
@Dmaster484 You need to outmacro him, taking exp and try to denie map control and harass. Anyway, Flash is know for his ridiculous timing attacks. He outmacroed Best, in his own game.
AlenRyuu 6 months ago
@Dmaster484 Derp. In case you haven't played Starcraft.
Macro > Turtle
Turtle > Pressure
Pressure > Macro
Make an informed decision based on your opponent's move.
Strand0410 6 months ago
@Strand0410 Sc2 is my first starcraft game, but I borrowed BW and have given it some time... I was more referring to the fact that beating a terran who maxes with like 15+ siege tanks seems really hard. obviously there are ways, and I know what I would do in SC2, but in this game... it looks like spider mines make pressure difficult. Also the fact that tanks seem scarier in this game. At least in this set, it seemed that Flash pressured AND macroed hard. but maybe that's because he's Flash.
Dmaster484 6 months ago
@Dmaster484 It's hard to beat a Terran by throwing gateway units at tanks (which hard counter gateway). Find ways around it. Carriers, Arbiters, Storm.
Spider-Mines aren't a God Mode button. They often work against the Terran Player, can be cleared out etc. Look at the epic mine drags Best pulled off in the first game vs Flash where 2-3 zealots cleared out an entire tank line.
Strand0410 6 months ago
ALL THOSE GATES FOR WHAT?!?! :[
makeone88 6 months ago
@ all the idiots who think Bisu had a better chance he has inferior vsT and a worse record head2head with flash. Best is 1 dimensional but his PvT is still beastly and he beat Flash on this map just 2 months ago
Sotanath86 6 months ago
Nerf Flash. Soo OP.
eqqis03 6 months ago