my videos are proof that you assholes are going to be fading away, and i predict that no one will be down at ground zero protesting by the 10th anniversary because they will be too embarrased, my videos and book are very powerful in the war against the domestic terrorists who are continuing the fight the terrorsts started on 9/11, you can all fuck off, you are done because of me idiots!
Thomas I wished I felt as you do life would be easier.I guess my take on the overall event would be the ones who would have you beleive the gov't story,(neocons)military contracters, Hallibuton,and others have much to gain, while the truthes( Professers, engineers) have careers to lose. And Thomas most Truthers don't start as truthers, I felt EXACTLY as you but then I head of mohammed atta's passport falling to ground zero from Network news. LOL!!
There have been numerous other personal effects recovered from the aircraft passengers:
911myths. com/html/passport_recovered. html
Furthermore; if the reason was to get us into the Iraq war then why did they not frame Iraq instead?
But regardless your assertion that these experts are complicit in the coverup for mass murderers because they're afraid for their jobs is ludicrous and assumes that not one of these experts has a conscience.
Thomas you seem the the kind of officer who go shot by there own men in vietnam. Your debates on the inside job are superficial. You simply quote information that's already been discarded by truthers. Anyway Thomas I think you should go join fox News. You look like Hannity( No.2 Fox blowhard behind Oreilly) You already have convinced yourself of there
agenda, so you would'nt seem like you'd be lying. Plus then I could say i know someone from Fox. INSIDE JOB THOMAS
They've been discarded but not proven wrong, you can't disprove what I've said because they're these little things called facts the one guy you brought up got handed his ass in a debate, all he does is repeat the same truther bullshit as usual it's like he was quote mining loose change that's pretty sad. All you people do is put your hands over your ears and chant inside job inside job over and over. You seriously need to get fucking educated and quit going to truther websites.
Thomas are you in the military ? Because you seem like one of these new republicans who love wars but are to big of pussies to go fight.Are you one of these guys I wanna join up, your fuckin 25 right? Disinfo dumbass
A) WTF does this have to do with 9-11 being an inside job. b) This is the tried and true tactic of the leftist but here's a deal all debate on the war from both sides must come from only people who have served in combat. C) Do you have to be on the Yankees to root for them to win? D) Jefferson didn't serve in the revolutionary war does this mean that he was just a pussy and shouldn't have supported the revolution? Your a fucking joke. E) I'm planning on attending OCS after I graduate.
lmfao I just heard this moron claim that Marvin Bush and Wirt Walker the 3rd ran security for the WTC that's bullshit John O'neile was the head of security and he died on 9/11 Walker isn't even related to Bush, and Marvin Bush left securacom back in 1999 and they didn't even run security they just installed the system. This guys just your average truther saying the same shit that's been debunked on numerous occassions nothing new here.
Trillions= 6 billion for Larry Silverstein, Homeland Security beauracracy, 2 wars, thousands of surveillance contracts,etc. You show your soft underbelly when not acknowledging the money being made.
Silverstein has lost money on this deal, and the DHS is just a coordinating agency between branches of the government that already existed and nobody made money to create it, it's funded from the already existing budget. Since when has the government needed a catastrophic event to spend your tax dollars?
Thomas truthers can't keep up with the continuing and changing lies of Nist and Popular mechanics reports. The elevator and several theories on the collapse are part of a 90 minute presentation with Architect Richard Gage. Could'nt link up to your dust debunk
He's an architect not an engineer, there were thousands of engineers working on the NIST are you asserting that they're all wrong and this guy is right or are you asserting that all the people working on the NIST are complicit in a coverup for mass murders?
90 days prior to 911 the elevators were under maitanance and access to all the support beams was easily availible. Also people could have been totally undetected throughout the elevator systems to plant cutter charges. Not concerned about public safety the job could have been done most likely faster. And thomas have you ever seen a pancaked building? They don't disentegrate to dust.
How long were they under maintenance? Source? Which building? That only accounts for one?
I just posted a link debunking your dust theory furthermore, the NIST report concluded that it wasn't a pancake collapse, this is why you truthers don't know shit, you refuse to read the NIST and then say it's unreliable by using some ad-hom or another.
Thomas if your riduculing Perkins I feel sorry for you. Thomas personnally i can't stand democrats or repubs(carpetbaggers and scaliwags) And I felt like you in believing the gov't after 911. Totally supported Bush. But after the last 3-4 years and 1000's of hours of looking into it, everything you claim just does'nt add up. There's about a million fishy things on that day. Some day you'll get it because your passionate. Good luck
"Perkins likes to invoke Indonesia, the scene of his first hit-man assignment. The way he tells it, the development economists who persuaded Indonesia to borrow money around 1970 were peddling a ludicrous idea -- that Indonesia's economy could spring from the dark
age to the modern age in a mere generation. Well, Indonesia's infant mortality and adult illiteracy rates each fell by two-thirds over the next three decades, and life expectancy shot up by 19 years. If the corporatocracy was trying to lay Indonesia low, this was a funny way of doing it."
The same point holds for the developing world generally. The adult illiteracy rate in the poor world was halved between 1970 and 2000, and since 1980 the number of people living on less than $1 a day has fallen by about 200 million, even as the world's population has expanded rapidly. That is a stunning achievement given that the ranks of the poor had previously been swelling steadily, at least since 1820.
The poor have made these gains because Perkins's second contention is equally wrong: The corporatocracy is neither evil nor omnipotent. Survey after survey has shown that the multinational companies vilified by
Perkins pay better wages than their local rivals in poor countries: One study of 20,000 Indonesian manufacturing plants found that the average pay in foreign-owned factories was 50 percent higher than in local ones -- and also that foreign competition pushed local wages upward. As Martin Wolf remarks in his book, "Why Globalization Works," multinational firms induce a race to the top more than a race to the bottom.
Here's a nice little debunking of your dust theory:
911myths. com/html/pulverised_concrete. html
Now why don't you explain to me how the amount of explosives necessary could have made it into the building without anyone noticing? Extrapolating from the largest controlled demo ever the JL Hudsons building it would have taken 72 days with 12 people to load up just one of the towers.
Thomas the Nist report is compromised. It's well documented that most of it's engineers
also have lucrative gov't contracts in the 10's of millions. Put options were high that weekend. And okay forget the liberal chomsky or Mullins and check out John Perkins. He will make you aware of the dark side of corporations, who run this gov't.
Well documented by who? Alex fucking Jones? Get fucking real, you can't debunk it you're only response is an ad-hominen logical fallacy. The put options weren't even a record for that year dumb ass.
And Perkins is a fucking conspiracy theorist, and you know what? If these nations don't want to pay back their loans then they shouldn't fucking accept them then should they?
Cosmos you said , Sean faggoty junior. I knew I didn't like this pole-smoker for some reason other than his pure ignorance.Take your fucked-up facts and wipe our ass with them. It's this simple, so let me explain where even you can understand it. Just watch the towers fall(disentegrating) the building is exploding outward but you claim the mass weight brings it down. Put options on jets to crash on 9/11, insider trading,And flying a jet without transponders, but by landmarks from the sky,
Put options which weren't even the record high for that fucking year you dumb mother fucker, the buildings fell for a myriad of reasons go read you know a scientific examination on the subject like the NIST report not some fucking bullshit truther website.
Fucking pathetic sheep. What a sorry sight! Your comments on the pentagon are just plain lies! Wake up to the truth bitch! I suppose your waiting until martial law comes knocking on your door!
Wow you guys are so very good at this, why don't you prove some of my lies you little truther faggot bitch? Until then have fun in the Orwelian construct that you've created for yourself in your imagination, don't let your paranoid delusions get you there, better tighten up that tin foil hat. I'll be here waiting in that little place that you haven't been for quite sometime, it's called realityville.
Still not answering questions put forward...and instead resulting to calling names. Wow very intelligent and mature of you. Did you actually suggest reading the nist report?? Wow the same people that could not create a simulation that could explain the collapses due to fire. The same people who deny that there was molten metal at the base of the towers? Get real man!
Yep it's quite clear that you haven't read the NIST report because that's exactly what they fucking did, except that the towers didn't fall by fires alone that's just another in a long list of red herring logical fallacies proliferated by you truther fucking morons. And you didn't ask any questions you said absolutely nothing of substance.
And there was no molten steal there is absolutely 0 evidence for that, there is evidence for molten metal but not molten steal and guess what? Molten does not necessarily mean melted you ignorant deushe.
I would guess this guy is a fat Jew boy but he seems to blink at normal intervals. What is your motive for trying to prove truthers incorrect? Your daddy getting a little anxious?
you say you support the constitution, and free trade? you need to get your facts straight, they've practically nullified the constitutions of every european nation with this 'free trade'.
they brain washed you really good with the media.
I just debunked all of your theories and lies, and you STILL sith there and twist shit around! You don't even have the brains to admit you are wrong, but any average joe reading our exchange can see, you have been PWNED! Go eat another bucket of fried chicken fucktard!
You haven't debunked jackshit, you have bullshit claims that I have infact debunked, and you claim to debunk me by repeating the previously debunked claims? Give me a fucking break.
I don't want to be un-civil to you. I think we are both intelligent people, with very strong beliefs based on a lot of our own research. I did not become a conspiracy theorist because I am genetically modified that way, but because I question things that are out of place. Good luck to you, and I hope you accept the truth one day, and be the change you wish to see in the world.
You have obviously made up your mind, even in the face of the truth, you still try and justify your already pre-concieved notions. You are incapable of thinking for yourself because you are brainwashed. At least you are engaging in this, even though it clearly shows your ignorance and blatent stupidity.
lmfao, it's you conspiracy theorists who are the ones who twist the facts and work backwards to convince yourselves of your own pre-conceived conclusions by connecting the imaginary dots, that's what you do. I am stating fact, no supposition here pal, just the facts sir just the facts. You can't offer a valid rebuttal save for your ad-hominem logical fallacies, and the reason why you can't offer a rebuttal is because there is no rebuttal to the truth.
The fact that you people call yourselves truthers would be funny if it wasn't such a classic example of newspeak propaganda, only in a world this fucked up would the propaganda arms of the neo-Nazi's and Islamists have the audacity to label themselves as "a truth movement".
No sir, I have the truth and the facts. Thermate found at the scene. Never a steel framed building in out worlds history collapsed by fire in such a short time. Steel melts at 2700F and jet fuel burns at 1800F. Start by debunking those. I don't see any facts you have presented; all a lot of hot air.
A) While true that some chemicals that can be used in thermate were found there were sources for them in the building and there was one chemical that wasn't found THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE and that is Barium Nitrate.
B) The WTC's didn't collapse from fire alone they collapsed because planes rammed into them taking out structural support columns, knocking the building off its core column at the base, knocked off fireproofing and spread jet fuel on multiple floors causing fires on those multiple floors.
C) There was no melted steel the only evidence you have for that are the photos which have been cropped so that the workmen with cutting torches are not shown, the assertions of Tully and Loizeaux are bullshit and have been debunked here:
ww w . 911myths . com/html/wtc_molten_steel . html
And the only credible source claimed to have seen "molten metal" but molten does not necessarily mean melted and metal doesn't necessarily mean steel.
D) Steel loses 50% of its structural integrity at 650'C, and 90% of its structural integrity at 1000'C, and the NIST report shows that the fires in the towers did in fact temperatures of 1000'C, more than enough to weaken their integrity to the point where they could no longer bear the loads.
So much for you having the facts and the truth on your side, like I've said you don't have facts you have bullshit that doesn't stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny, you're a joke and your assertions are laughable.
Well, lets see, uh you debunked NOTHING. All you did was skirt around the issues, and try to cover it all up with facts about airplane weights and speeds. You should read what you have written.
D) How come WTC1 survived a 3 hour fire in 1975 but collapsed as the result of a fire lasting less than two hours on 9/11?It may be "obvious" that a heavy plane hitting a skyscraper would deliver a huge shock, but it doesn't follow that the building collapse. In 1945 the Empire State Building was hit by a B-25 bomber, but it was still standing last time I saw it. "Ah yes, but it was the impact plus the fires!" When the B-25 hit, its fuel tanks exploded, engulfing the 79th floor in flames
A) The 1975 fire only engulfed half of the 11th floor while the 2001 fires were on multiple floors and like you said "no planes."
B) The empire state building is not of a tube in tube design so that's apples and oranges, and also a B-25 with a maximum weight of 41,800 lbs traveling at a maximum speed of 315 mph, is a little different than a 767-200 with a maximum weight of 395,000 lbs traveling at 600mph. Once again your "facts" don't stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny.
There are over 100 professional architects and engineers that believe with all of their soul the WTC towers could not have fallen by the airplanes and fires as the towers wer designed for these attacks. Are you an architect or engineer? I did not think so!
C) This simply is not true. You tube it, and you will see a number of firefighters and rescue workers state that there was in fact molten metal, and they likened it to a foundry. You have to do your homework. This is just a lie. Not to mention the fact that molten metal was found there at the site! And when the evidence exists, you claim the picture is cropped or altered. This is how you twist the facts?
A) Sorry buddy but unless you show me the metallurgist who did a scientific analysis to determine if the melted metal was infact melted steel then I'm going to call horseshit.
B) Do I need to get you a dictionary? Because "molten" doesn't necessarily mean "melted" and "metal" doesn't necessarily mean "steel". English buddy learn it.
C) I am only aware of Tully and Loizeaux being the somewhat credible sources for the claim of melted steel information but they do not back up there claims in any way, shape, or form.
A)& B) I don't need to show you a metallurgist. First responders and firefighters, lots of them, stated they saw HOT,GLOWING, MOLTEN,LIQUID METAL!!!And I quote"Like lava, or melted steel you would find in a foundry".
Furthermore; even though the WTC's didn't collapse from fire alone, steel framed buildings have infact collapsed from fire before for example the McCormick Place exhibition hall in Chicago collapsed due to an electrical fire which had started 30 minutes before the collapse:
ww w . wconline . com/CDA/Archive/24ae78779d768010VgnVCM100000f932a8c0____
The first fact that should be noted in regard to any such comparison is that the McCormick Place incident was not a total building collapse,it was only a roof collapse. Much less was it the total collapse of a high-rise building. Any comparison of it to the Twin Towers is limited to the Towers' floor diaphragms.
The comparisons of a roof collapse of a warehouse to a skyscrapercollaps is just , well, no comparison.
No, it was a warehouse roof. I saw the pictures, and read all about it on google. It was not a skyscraper, had no sprinklers, and the firefighters couldn't put it out because 4 of the firehydrants around the building were not turned on.
Just GOOGLE IT! It was a WAREHOUSE with a collapsed roof! To compare it to a steel framed skyscraper is like comparing a skateboard to the space shuttle!
A)Thermate is an incendiary pyrotechnic composition, a thermite-like compound used for military applications. Thermate, whose primary component is thermite, also contains sulfur and sometimes barium nitrate, both of which increase its thermal effect, create flame in burning, and significantly reduce the ignition temperature. Sometimes include barium nitrate; hardly the most important chemical for this reaction! Debunked that one on you.
"Thermate combines aluminum/iron oxide (thermite) with barium nitrate (29%) and sulfur (typically 2% although more sulfur could be added)." ww w. dodtechmatch . com/DOD/Patent/PatentDetail . aspx?type=description&id=6766744&HL=O N
Now Jones claimed that he found traces of that type of Thermate, now in civilian thermate analogs Potassium Permanganate can be used instead of Barium Nitrate, however, Jones didn't find evidence of that either.
As I had stated, Barium nitrate CAN be used for the exothermic chemical reaction. How many other catalysts for combustion I do not know, as I am not a professor. But the professor at BYU staked his job on the fact thermate was present at the WTC towers. Does that not concern you sir?
No because Stephen Jones is a crank, his work has not been peer reviewed, and now he has been ostrisized from academia because his works are falsified and fallacious. Once again Barium Nitrate is ALWAYS used in the type of military grade Thermate that Jones claims to have found, however, in civilian analogs Potassium Permanganate, can be used instead, but Jones hasn't found that either!
No, people like you are trying to discredit him. Barium nitrate is SOMETIMES used, and I got that info from the thermite patent web site (for military use).
Two videos from the Pentagon have been released, the evidence that a plane hit the pentagon is undeniable, for starters there was tons of airplane wreckage found, and bodies were recovered that match the flight rosters, there is much more evidence and I present it in the video that you're now responding to but apparently you didn't watch it all the way through.
Any time you say "private sector" we know you mean MILITARY,now here is where the SECRETS start in the name of National Security.Now ask yourself if you can carry the secrets or live with the truth,cause let me tell you I have saw with my own two eyes what secrets will do to a man.....I will live with the truth and not carry no lies for the vile thing our government has become........ give me liberty or get or I will just take it
a message to the truth protestors:
my videos are proof that you assholes are going to be fading away, and i predict that no one will be down at ground zero protesting by the 10th anniversary because they will be too embarrased, my videos and book are very powerful in the war against the domestic terrorists who are continuing the fight the terrorsts started on 9/11, you can all fuck off, you are done because of me idiots!
loosechangeexposed 2 years ago
You wouldnt last a minute in the military ya fat shit.
Wyndup 4 years ago
And Thomas you seriously need to go to Fox for a job. They'd hire you in a heartbeat.You look like a young Hannity.
getforeal 4 years ago 4
Wow, he does look like a young Hannity. In a good way.
ChiefHoot 3 years ago
Thomas I wished I felt as you do life would be easier.I guess my take on the overall event would be the ones who would have you beleive the gov't story,(neocons)military contracters, Hallibuton,and others have much to gain, while the truthes( Professers, engineers) have careers to lose. And Thomas most Truthers don't start as truthers, I felt EXACTLY as you but then I head of mohammed atta's passport falling to ground zero from Network news. LOL!!
getforeal 4 years ago 3
There have been numerous other personal effects recovered from the aircraft passengers:
911myths. com/html/passport_recovered. html
Furthermore; if the reason was to get us into the Iraq war then why did they not frame Iraq instead?
But regardless your assertion that these experts are complicit in the coverup for mass murderers because they're afraid for their jobs is ludicrous and assumes that not one of these experts has a conscience.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Thomas you seem the the kind of officer who go shot by there own men in vietnam. Your debates on the inside job are superficial. You simply quote information that's already been discarded by truthers. Anyway Thomas I think you should go join fox News. You look like Hannity( No.2 Fox blowhard behind Oreilly) You already have convinced yourself of there
agenda, so you would'nt seem like you'd be lying. Plus then I could say i know someone from Fox. INSIDE JOB THOMAS
getforeal 4 years ago 3
They've been discarded but not proven wrong, you can't disprove what I've said because they're these little things called facts the one guy you brought up got handed his ass in a debate, all he does is repeat the same truther bullshit as usual it's like he was quote mining loose change that's pretty sad. All you people do is put your hands over your ears and chant inside job inside job over and over. You seriously need to get fucking educated and quit going to truther websites.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Thomas are you in the military ? Because you seem like one of these new republicans who love wars but are to big of pussies to go fight.Are you one of these guys I wanna join up, your fuckin 25 right? Disinfo dumbass
getforeal 4 years ago 3
A) WTF does this have to do with 9-11 being an inside job. b) This is the tried and true tactic of the leftist but here's a deal all debate on the war from both sides must come from only people who have served in combat. C) Do you have to be on the Yankees to root for them to win? D) Jefferson didn't serve in the revolutionary war does this mean that he was just a pussy and shouldn't have supported the revolution? Your a fucking joke. E) I'm planning on attending OCS after I graduate.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Thomas sorry about being rude earlier, your the first debunker I respect. I'll look into the NIST report, you check out Richard Gage. Deal?
getforeal 4 years ago
Read this on Richard Gage he's just as FOS as most truthers:
screwloosechange. blogspot. com/2007/06/richard-gage-aia-and-crackpot. html
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
lmfao I just heard this moron claim that Marvin Bush and Wirt Walker the 3rd ran security for the WTC that's bullshit John O'neile was the head of security and he died on 9/11 Walker isn't even related to Bush, and Marvin Bush left securacom back in 1999 and they didn't even run security they just installed the system. This guys just your average truther saying the same shit that's been debunked on numerous occassions nothing new here.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Trillions= 6 billion for Larry Silverstein, Homeland Security beauracracy, 2 wars, thousands of surveillance contracts,etc. You show your soft underbelly when not acknowledging the money being made.
getforeal 4 years ago
Silverstein has lost money on this deal, and the DHS is just a coordinating agency between branches of the government that already existed and nobody made money to create it, it's funded from the already existing budget. Since when has the government needed a catastrophic event to spend your tax dollars?
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Thomas truthers can't keep up with the continuing and changing lies of Nist and Popular mechanics reports. The elevator and several theories on the collapse are part of a 90 minute presentation with Architect Richard Gage. Could'nt link up to your dust debunk
getforeal 4 years ago
He's an architect not an engineer, there were thousands of engineers working on the NIST are you asserting that they're all wrong and this guy is right or are you asserting that all the people working on the NIST are complicit in a coverup for mass murders?
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
I suggest you actually do something crazy like read the NIST from point 2 paragraph 5:
"NIST's findings do not support the "pancake theory" of collapse,"
wtc. nist. gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006. htm
Then maybe you wouldn't speak such ignorant bullshit!
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
history and trillions of dollars
getforeal 4 years ago
Ya still no evidence and no explanation on how they made trillions of dollars.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Good points on indonesia Thomas but the globalist and there agents pulled 911.
getforeal 4 years ago
Ya and your evidence for that is? And their motive would be?
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
for stupid sheep like you to hand over your civil liberties on a silver plate in the name of "war on terror"
neorevel09 4 years ago 3
now we are handing over our rights to Obama for Progressive sake!
thepissedoffpotato 2 years ago
Thomas good point on indonesia
getforeal 4 years ago
90 days prior to 911 the elevators were under maitanance and access to all the support beams was easily availible. Also people could have been totally undetected throughout the elevator systems to plant cutter charges. Not concerned about public safety the job could have been done most likely faster. And thomas have you ever seen a pancaked building? They don't disentegrate to dust.
getforeal 4 years ago
How long were they under maintenance? Source? Which building? That only accounts for one?
I just posted a link debunking your dust theory furthermore, the NIST report concluded that it wasn't a pancake collapse, this is why you truthers don't know shit, you refuse to read the NIST and then say it's unreliable by using some ad-hom or another.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Thomas if your riduculing Perkins I feel sorry for you. Thomas personnally i can't stand democrats or repubs(carpetbaggers and scaliwags) And I felt like you in believing the gov't after 911. Totally supported Bush. But after the last 3-4 years and 1000's of hours of looking into it, everything you claim just does'nt add up. There's about a million fishy things on that day. Some day you'll get it because your passionate. Good luck
getforeal 4 years ago
lmfao I am ridiculing Perkins because he is FOS just like you truthers; from the article that you obviously didn't read:
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
"Perkins likes to invoke Indonesia, the scene of his first hit-man assignment. The way he tells it, the development economists who persuaded Indonesia to borrow money around 1970 were peddling a ludicrous idea -- that Indonesia's economy could spring from the dark
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
age to the modern age in a mere generation. Well, Indonesia's infant mortality and adult illiteracy rates each fell by two-thirds over the next three decades, and life expectancy shot up by 19 years. If the corporatocracy was trying to lay Indonesia low, this was a funny way of doing it."
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
The same point holds for the developing world generally. The adult illiteracy rate in the poor world was halved between 1970 and 2000, and since 1980 the number of people living on less than $1 a day has fallen by about 200 million, even as the world's population has expanded rapidly. That is a stunning achievement given that the ranks of the poor had previously been swelling steadily, at least since 1820.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
The poor have made these gains because Perkins's second contention is equally wrong: The corporatocracy is neither evil nor omnipotent. Survey after survey has shown that the multinational companies vilified by
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Perkins pay better wages than their local rivals in poor countries: One study of 20,000 Indonesian manufacturing plants found that the average pay in foreign-owned factories was 50 percent higher than in local ones -- and also that foreign competition pushed local wages upward. As Martin Wolf remarks in his book, "Why Globalization Works," multinational firms induce a race to the top more than a race to the bottom.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Thomas just please tell me how the buildigs turned to dust and I'm on your side.
getforeal 4 years ago
Do you know what aspestos is?
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Here's a nice little debunking of your dust theory:
911myths. com/html/pulverised_concrete. html
Now why don't you explain to me how the amount of explosives necessary could have made it into the building without anyone noticing? Extrapolating from the largest controlled demo ever the JL Hudsons building it would have taken 72 days with 12 people to load up just one of the towers.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Thomas the Nist report is compromised. It's well documented that most of it's engineers
also have lucrative gov't contracts in the 10's of millions. Put options were high that weekend. And okay forget the liberal chomsky or Mullins and check out John Perkins. He will make you aware of the dark side of corporations, who run this gov't.
getforeal 4 years ago
Well documented by who? Alex fucking Jones? Get fucking real, you can't debunk it you're only response is an ad-hominen logical fallacy. The put options weren't even a record for that year dumb ass.
And Perkins is a fucking conspiracy theorist, and you know what? If these nations don't want to pay back their loans then they shouldn't fucking accept them then should they?
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Furthermore; I suggest you read the article "The Facts Behind the 'Confessions'" by Sebastian Mallaby:
ww w.washingtonpost. com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/26/AR2006022601265. html
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Cosmos you said , Sean faggoty junior. I knew I didn't like this pole-smoker for some reason other than his pure ignorance.Take your fucked-up facts and wipe our ass with them. It's this simple, so let me explain where even you can understand it. Just watch the towers fall(disentegrating) the building is exploding outward but you claim the mass weight brings it down. Put options on jets to crash on 9/11, insider trading,And flying a jet without transponders, but by landmarks from the sky,
getforeal 4 years ago
Put options which weren't even the record high for that fucking year you dumb mother fucker, the buildings fell for a myriad of reasons go read you know a scientific examination on the subject like the NIST report not some fucking bullshit truther website.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Fucking pathetic sheep. What a sorry sight! Your comments on the pentagon are just plain lies! Wake up to the truth bitch! I suppose your waiting until martial law comes knocking on your door!
nathanielmak 4 years ago
Wow you guys are so very good at this, why don't you prove some of my lies you little truther faggot bitch? Until then have fun in the Orwelian construct that you've created for yourself in your imagination, don't let your paranoid delusions get you there, better tighten up that tin foil hat. I'll be here waiting in that little place that you haven't been for quite sometime, it's called realityville.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Still not answering questions put forward...and instead resulting to calling names. Wow very intelligent and mature of you. Did you actually suggest reading the nist report?? Wow the same people that could not create a simulation that could explain the collapses due to fire. The same people who deny that there was molten metal at the base of the towers? Get real man!
nathanielmak 4 years ago
Yep it's quite clear that you haven't read the NIST report because that's exactly what they fucking did, except that the towers didn't fall by fires alone that's just another in a long list of red herring logical fallacies proliferated by you truther fucking morons. And you didn't ask any questions you said absolutely nothing of substance.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
And there was no molten steal there is absolutely 0 evidence for that, there is evidence for molten metal but not molten steal and guess what? Molten does not necessarily mean melted you ignorant deushe.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
I would guess this guy is a fat Jew boy but he seems to blink at normal intervals. What is your motive for trying to prove truthers incorrect? Your daddy getting a little anxious?
cubeprisioner8 4 years ago
You have to be related to Sean Hannity!
Cozzmos 4 years ago
stumbling and blabbering... wow, learn to speak properly before you record something like this. good job making yourself look stupid.
trola04 4 years ago
Your not very good at logic are you?
stratocaster539 4 years ago
Blah blah blahblahblalh blah. I'm gone..
sof123d 4 years ago
this guy is trying to get selected to the next group of Skull & Bones candidates. Sounds like a good, loyal neo-com.
palehorseman4 4 years ago
you say you support the constitution, and free trade? you need to get your facts straight, they've practically nullified the constitutions of every european nation with this 'free trade'.
they brain washed you really good with the media.
echoingword 4 years ago 2
the conspiracy is on your dollar bill buddy. novous ordo seclorum
they chase resources, such as... oil.
9/11 got fudged into oil aquisition.
learn your facts buddy and pay attention to what really dropped the towers.
there's disinformation given to the truthers, so that they could be debunked.
the conspiriy is on your dollar bills, and in your history books.
watch endgame - blueprint for
you can't debunk shit in that, and if you do watch it you'll be pouting an apology on youtube.
echoingword 4 years ago
Oh we got an illuminati nutter my favorite kind these guys are just below the alien shape shifter nutters on the level of crazy.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
PWNED by Brian Kofke. Read on.
briankofke 4 years ago
I just debunked all of your theories and lies, and you STILL sith there and twist shit around! You don't even have the brains to admit you are wrong, but any average joe reading our exchange can see, you have been PWNED! Go eat another bucket of fried chicken fucktard!
briankofke 4 years ago
You haven't debunked jackshit, you have bullshit claims that I have infact debunked, and you claim to debunk me by repeating the previously debunked claims? Give me a fucking break.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
I don't want to be un-civil to you. I think we are both intelligent people, with very strong beliefs based on a lot of our own research. I did not become a conspiracy theorist because I am genetically modified that way, but because I question things that are out of place. Good luck to you, and I hope you accept the truth one day, and be the change you wish to see in the world.
briankofke 4 years ago
I already know the truth its you who have been taken in by the conspiratorial bullshit.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
You suck.
briankofke 4 years ago
No you suck!
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
OK fine, I suck, but you suck more!
briankofke 4 years ago
You suck more than John Coltrane blows!
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
In order for Mr. Coultrane to perform at his level, he both sucks and blows. Thank you for comparing me to a musical legend; I accept!
briankofke 4 years ago
You have obviously made up your mind, even in the face of the truth, you still try and justify your already pre-concieved notions. You are incapable of thinking for yourself because you are brainwashed. At least you are engaging in this, even though it clearly shows your ignorance and blatent stupidity.
briankofke 4 years ago
lmfao, it's you conspiracy theorists who are the ones who twist the facts and work backwards to convince yourselves of your own pre-conceived conclusions by connecting the imaginary dots, that's what you do. I am stating fact, no supposition here pal, just the facts sir just the facts. You can't offer a valid rebuttal save for your ad-hominem logical fallacies, and the reason why you can't offer a rebuttal is because there is no rebuttal to the truth.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
The fact that you people call yourselves truthers would be funny if it wasn't such a classic example of newspeak propaganda, only in a world this fucked up would the propaganda arms of the neo-Nazi's and Islamists have the audacity to label themselves as "a truth movement".
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
No sir, I have the truth and the facts. Thermate found at the scene. Never a steel framed building in out worlds history collapsed by fire in such a short time. Steel melts at 2700F and jet fuel burns at 1800F. Start by debunking those. I don't see any facts you have presented; all a lot of hot air.
briankofke 4 years ago
A) While true that some chemicals that can be used in thermate were found there were sources for them in the building and there was one chemical that wasn't found THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE and that is Barium Nitrate.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
B) The WTC's didn't collapse from fire alone they collapsed because planes rammed into them taking out structural support columns, knocking the building off its core column at the base, knocked off fireproofing and spread jet fuel on multiple floors causing fires on those multiple floors.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
C) There was no melted steel the only evidence you have for that are the photos which have been cropped so that the workmen with cutting torches are not shown, the assertions of Tully and Loizeaux are bullshit and have been debunked here:
ww w . 911myths . com/html/wtc_molten_steel . html
And the only credible source claimed to have seen "molten metal" but molten does not necessarily mean melted and metal doesn't necessarily mean steel.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
D) Steel loses 50% of its structural integrity at 650'C, and 90% of its structural integrity at 1000'C, and the NIST report shows that the fires in the towers did in fact temperatures of 1000'C, more than enough to weaken their integrity to the point where they could no longer bear the loads.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
So much for you having the facts and the truth on your side, like I've said you don't have facts you have bullshit that doesn't stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny, you're a joke and your assertions are laughable.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
I think my research is sound, that it holds up to your scrutiny, that you are the joke, and that your assertions are laughable.
briankofke 4 years ago
Well let's see, I just debunked every single one of your bullshit claims with minimal effort, so much for holding up to scrutiny.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Well, lets see, uh you debunked NOTHING. All you did was skirt around the issues, and try to cover it all up with facts about airplane weights and speeds. You should read what you have written.
briankofke 4 years ago
D) How come WTC1 survived a 3 hour fire in 1975 but collapsed as the result of a fire lasting less than two hours on 9/11?It may be "obvious" that a heavy plane hitting a skyscraper would deliver a huge shock, but it doesn't follow that the building collapse. In 1945 the Empire State Building was hit by a B-25 bomber, but it was still standing last time I saw it. "Ah yes, but it was the impact plus the fires!" When the B-25 hit, its fuel tanks exploded, engulfing the 79th floor in flames
briankofke 4 years ago
A) The 1975 fire only engulfed half of the 11th floor while the 2001 fires were on multiple floors and like you said "no planes."
B) The empire state building is not of a tube in tube design so that's apples and oranges, and also a B-25 with a maximum weight of 41,800 lbs traveling at a maximum speed of 315 mph, is a little different than a 767-200 with a maximum weight of 395,000 lbs traveling at 600mph. Once again your "facts" don't stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
There are over 100 professional architects and engineers that believe with all of their soul the WTC towers could not have fallen by the airplanes and fires as the towers wer designed for these attacks. Are you an architect or engineer? I did not think so!
briankofke 4 years ago
C) This simply is not true. You tube it, and you will see a number of firefighters and rescue workers state that there was in fact molten metal, and they likened it to a foundry. You have to do your homework. This is just a lie. Not to mention the fact that molten metal was found there at the site! And when the evidence exists, you claim the picture is cropped or altered. This is how you twist the facts?
briankofke 4 years ago
A) Sorry buddy but unless you show me the metallurgist who did a scientific analysis to determine if the melted metal was infact melted steel then I'm going to call horseshit.
B) Do I need to get you a dictionary? Because "molten" doesn't necessarily mean "melted" and "metal" doesn't necessarily mean "steel". English buddy learn it.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
C) I am only aware of Tully and Loizeaux being the somewhat credible sources for the claim of melted steel information but they do not back up there claims in any way, shape, or form.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
A)& B) I don't need to show you a metallurgist. First responders and firefighters, lots of them, stated they saw HOT,GLOWING, MOLTEN,LIQUID METAL!!!And I quote"Like lava, or melted steel you would find in a foundry".
briankofke 4 years ago
Furthermore; even though the WTC's didn't collapse from fire alone, steel framed buildings have infact collapsed from fire before for example the McCormick Place exhibition hall in Chicago collapsed due to an electrical fire which had started 30 minutes before the collapse:
ww w . wconline . com/CDA/Archive/24ae78779d768010VgnVCM100000f932a8c0____
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
The first fact that should be noted in regard to any such comparison is that the McCormick Place incident was not a total building collapse,it was only a roof collapse. Much less was it the total collapse of a high-rise building. Any comparison of it to the Twin Towers is limited to the Towers' floor diaphragms.
The comparisons of a roof collapse of a warehouse to a skyscrapercollaps is just , well, no comparison.
briankofke 4 years ago
Umm no it was a building collapse not a roof collapse.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
No, it was a warehouse roof. I saw the pictures, and read all about it on google. It was not a skyscraper, had no sprinklers, and the firefighters couldn't put it out because 4 of the firehydrants around the building were not turned on.
briankofke 4 years ago
Link to the pictures?
Regardless like I said the WTC's didn't collapse from fire alone in the first place.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Just GOOGLE IT! It was a WAREHOUSE with a collapsed roof! To compare it to a steel framed skyscraper is like comparing a skateboard to the space shuttle!
briankofke 4 years ago
A)Thermate is an incendiary pyrotechnic composition, a thermite-like compound used for military applications. Thermate, whose primary component is thermite, also contains sulfur and sometimes barium nitrate, both of which increase its thermal effect, create flame in burning, and significantly reduce the ignition temperature. Sometimes include barium nitrate; hardly the most important chemical for this reaction! Debunked that one on you.
briankofke 4 years ago
Wikipedia much?
"Thermate combines aluminum/iron oxide (thermite) with barium nitrate (29%) and sulfur (typically 2% although more sulfur could be added)." ww w. dodtechmatch . com/DOD/Patent/PatentDetail . aspx?type=description&id=6766744&HL=O N
Now Jones claimed that he found traces of that type of Thermate, now in civilian thermate analogs Potassium Permanganate can be used instead of Barium Nitrate, however, Jones didn't find evidence of that either.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
As I had stated, Barium nitrate CAN be used for the exothermic chemical reaction. How many other catalysts for combustion I do not know, as I am not a professor. But the professor at BYU staked his job on the fact thermate was present at the WTC towers. Does that not concern you sir?
briankofke 4 years ago
No because Stephen Jones is a crank, his work has not been peer reviewed, and now he has been ostrisized from academia because his works are falsified and fallacious. Once again Barium Nitrate is ALWAYS used in the type of military grade Thermate that Jones claims to have found, however, in civilian analogs Potassium Permanganate, can be used instead, but Jones hasn't found that either!
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
No, people like you are trying to discredit him. Barium nitrate is SOMETIMES used, and I got that info from the thermite patent web site (for military use).
briankofke 4 years ago
A) Not in the type of thermate that he claims to have found.
B) If it is not found then Potassium Permanganate is used instead, but no traces of that either.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Wheres the rest of the vidoes from the Pentagon,everyone knows that they where seized by the FBI,and other forces ???you tell me know-it-all
SPACE3200 4 years ago
Two videos from the Pentagon have been released, the evidence that a plane hit the pentagon is undeniable, for starters there was tons of airplane wreckage found, and bodies were recovered that match the flight rosters, there is much more evidence and I present it in the video that you're now responding to but apparently you didn't watch it all the way through.
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago
Any time you say "private sector" we know you mean MILITARY,now here is where the SECRETS start in the name of National Security.Now ask yourself if you can carry the secrets or live with the truth,cause let me tell you I have saw with my own two eyes what secrets will do to a man.....I will live with the truth and not carry no lies for the vile thing our government has become........ give me liberty or get or I will just take it
SPACE3200 4 years ago
The military means the private sector? Do you smoke crack or are you really just that fucking stupid?
ThomasLocke1789 4 years ago