Murder of Abortionist George Tiller

[missmurder008]

How the hell is helping people evil and immoral??? He was a great man and a great inspiration. If my fetus had cancer eating him alive so he was suffering every minute of every day I would want to be humane about it, Dr. Tiller was 1/3 who would help women in that situation. Did you read the stories behind the women that went to him? How can you say he was evil when he did so much good? He was one of the very few who gave so very much to this world and even in death ppl condemn him.

[globehunter2]

This priest never said anything in behalf of the dead babies? only Dr. Tiller

gets his sympathy. Totally wrong and Evil. He should be run out of the church.

[Yankhadenough]

Tried to explain this to my Peacenik friends that are pro-choice, tried to explain this to my law-and-order friends that are pro-execution. What do they not get?

[shammadamma]

Yes! Pro-life means ALL life.

[davefromthe502]

amen brother two wrongs dont make a right

[patriciacarrasco]

i personally think tiller got what he deserved....but at the same time God doesnt get happy with a person going to hell like im sure tiller is in, and i dont think we should be happy either. "Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?" Ezekiel 18:23

[disturbedonepl]

Hey man! at first: you have right to your opinion, second: i have right to my opinion and third: i give you no right to your opinion! Got that? and check this ok? youtube.com/watch?v=ZCWC4sHbIV­0

[garymoore1985]

People forget that tiller made his claim of 60,000 abortions back in the 90's. By the time he died, he probably did over 100,000. That's the size of a small city.

[KnightOwl2006]

Violence against abortionists is not justified and only harms the pro life cause.

[DivineAGoGo]

How is it controversial to tell pro-lifers NOT TO KILL PEOPLE? It boggles my mind that that would be considered improper. Insane. Nate, you are right that pro-life is all life. Religious folks that send their children off to war to kill other people's children are evil by your definitions, yeah? Where's the anti-war message?

[OmgItsMaxMacabre]

George Tiller was not evil. Specially because of the kind of abortions he pro formed. These abortions were only done is cases that both the mother and probably the child would have died. George Tiller was more "pro-life" than anti abortion Nit wits.

[kirstiedale3]

@OmgItsMaxMacabre Please do some reserch on George Tiller....O_O...So George only did LTA's in extream cases did he ?......He never did abortions on healthy mothers and healthy fetus ?....Oh dear...you are sooooooo blinkered...what a shame O_O

[madd4justice]

Someone asked if Jesus would have killed Tiller. The truth is that Jesus, as part of the Trinity in which I believe, allows us each to die an earthly death & then promises resurrection.

I usually stay out of abortion controversy since it is an unwinnable argument. It's interesting that the abortion issue has made churches that used to shun unwed moms almost idolize them. Some pro-lifers even stalk pregnant teens to talk them out of an abortion. Was the teen not valuable before then?

[alantois]

wrong again honey.

[TheFirearmEnthusiast]

I agree with you Father Nathan.

What is your opinion on killing in self defence? I know killing is wrong, but what happens if someone breaks into your home and tries to hurt you?

[SkiesVibrant]

Father Nathan... again, you are a little shaky on your scripture. Yes Tiller was a murderer, no, no one had the right to murder him. On those things we agree. However, God knows all our days (Psalm 139) so He surely knew that Dr. Tiller's days were numbered. Dr. Tiller had countless days to repent and didn't. C'mon I've heard Catholics say that a person will go to hell if they miss Mass on Sunday and are killed before they can get to a Priest to be absolved.

[hopkins4545]

Then why does the Church attack prophets like Father Daniel Berrigan? Rest in piece, George Tiller.

[JLoveBomb]

Vigilantism is cruel and ungodlike. I will never believe it is performed in the name of another, be it man or God..I believe it is ultimately a selfish act and always done to satisfy the bloodthirst of one's self.

[kirstiedale3]

Father Nathan..i am not pro life..i am Anti abortion. Tiller was murdered like millions of people each and every year...Karma....what goes around comes around and tiller felt karma the day he died.there you have it !..sorry for being so blunt.

[Thetruuth1]

@kirstiedale3,

The legal system failed to prosecute Mr. Killer. There are passages in the bible that would justify what happened to tiller. "You shall not murder". And look at this passage, "He who spills the blood of a person within a person, his blood shall be spilled" . This is what happened to tiller. If there was a man in a stadium w/ 60,000 2 yr olds, and he was systematically killing them, would you be justified in using lethal force to stop him if the law didn't do anything? YES

[kirstiedale3]

@Thetruuth1 mmm yes unfortunatly the law allows men and women like George Tiller(i refuse to call him DR)to kill unborn babies..I am sorry but i am an atheist..But will not and never try to crush anyone who believes in god...just seems i havnt found god yet....I believe that if you do bad to others ,something bad will happen to you sooner or later.George died because he killed defenceless babies for money,.He was greedy..An eye for an eye,a life for a life...End of story ....next chapter...

[Thetruuth1]

@kirstiedale3,

I agree with you. I put those verses in there because someone else was using passages on why tiller shouldn't have been killed. Never mind that this same person who said it was wrong to kill tiller, never created any videos for the 60,000 babies who were slaughtered. The fact is, Mr. Tiller died because he wouldn't stop murdering the unborn, and no one was stopping him! It is such a disgusting world we live in!

[ZakMorbid]

Not true

[Peterneuh]

Bad said, "father". Killing one killer saves thousend lives !!! This is a pro-life act !!!

[FatherNathan]

@Peterneuh Romans 12:19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."

Matthew 5:38 You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

1 Thes 5:15 See that no one repays anyone evil for evil, but always seek to do good to one another and to everyone.

[gombis666]

@Peterneuh - Would Jesus have killed Tiller?

[Peterneuh]

@gombis666 - A good question! In the millennium, yes, instantly! But in this time, the civil power handles the justice, and that justice have to base on the Word of God, but does not. Today Jesus would kill nobody in this N.T.- time; but he gave his authority to the civil powers: See the behavior of Paul in this question: Acts 25:11 .

[onclave6]

@Peterneuh Thalt shall not kill .

[flyingfisbeefilms]

Well said Sir!

[Rasayana85]

I find it strange that your view in this issue wouldn't make you very popular in the pro-life movement. Deeming from the comments you appear to have been correct about that anyway.

For reasons, that I will not elaborate on, I don't agree with you, but I will recognise that your arguments are reasonable given the assumption that life is holly and the teachings of Jesus.

[Rasayana85]

... is true.

My bad! ;-)

[Canvideo]

If the Catholic Catechism states that people can use as much force as reasonably necessary to protect themselves or others, even if it results in death of the offender, why are the defenders condemned? Anything less then that results in the incarceration of the defender so the defencive actions are moot. So please explain how much force is allowed in this situation according to the Catechism?

[charlesban]

Well said :)

[ObiriSakura]

No matter what people say, this man was murdered. He didn't deserve to be murdered, he was doing his job like every other adult in this world. Its not his choice to abort these babies, its the mothers and fathers who made them in the first place by having unsafe sex. Whoever killed this man deserves to be put away for how many years George Tiller lived.

[Timbrock1000]

The killing of "Dr." Tiller was justified. Suppose a maniac came onto a playground and started stabbing the children there, then a passer-by ran up and shot the maniac? That would be a justifiable killing. It was done only to stop the maniac from killing. Same thing with Rhoder stopping Tiller. Not out of hate or malace. Only to protect the innocent.

[patfealy]

St Joan of Ark doesn't agree with you. the dr. was a scum bag. Pro Life is not a seamless cloak nor is killing a killer analogous to killing the unborn.

one may be a passafist pro lifer or a more militant pro lifer.

[FatherNathan]

@patfealy Joan of Ark, if she is a saint, I am certain served many a decade in purgatory for her murderous rampages. Anyone who is truly pro life turns the other cheek. You can't be pro-life and militant because to be pro-life one must be pro ALL life. Who are you to call this man scum? Jesus died for the scum of the earth. You are scum, I am scum, we are all the scum of the earth compared to the glory of God. Go check your own planks before pulling a gun and shooting someone at church.

[patfealy]

What church or shall I ask what planet are you on? Saint Joan raised the dead and commanded the winds to change direction. She is as Holy as God makes them. Read Mark Twain. Samuel Clemens wasn't Catholic but he had a profound knowledge and love of St. Joan. I personally don't approve of shooting Abortionists however I don't wish to impose my personal choice on those who feel so inclined. Joan of Ark is a Canonized Saint by the way. You may offer her dulia.

[FatherNathan]

@patfealy First, she's burned as a heretic and then raised as a saint so I guess we can pick and choose which leaders of the Church were right and wrong on that one. Mother Teresa, Pope John Paul, St. Francis, St. Deacon Lawrence are saints of peace who would lay down there lives. Whats more important then Joan of Ark or your opinion or mine is the words of Christ, "If you live by the sword you'll die by the sword" or "Turn the other cheek". Acts of violence contradict the love of Christ.

[patfealy]

too many priests have gotten lazy, because for the most part, they have a captive audience. St. Joan was abused by an illicit and illegal trial. what Joan was called to should be held up high not denigrated. She has been slandered by Hollywood recently in their attempt to portray her as bloodthirsty and unstable. You stand tall now alongside Fay Dun away and Dustin Hoffman.

it is clear by her life's example that she loved her enemy. That is what Christians are obliged to do.

[FatherNathan]

@patfealy Well, I certainly hope the lazy priest comment isn't directed at me. I don't hold her to any standards that Hollywood does I hold her to the standards of Christian charity and the word of God. The only thing that I can see is clear from her life example is that she led a war in the name of Jesus and you can't love your neighbor while running a sword through there gut.

[patfealy]

No as it turns out the lazy priest comment doesn't apply to you. that's because your congregation departed from the Roman Catholic Church in 1870.

That would mean that no living bishop could have ordained you. In any case you articulate an emasculated Christianity.

You wouldn't like Fr. Vincent Capadano. He was awarded the Congressional medal of Honor for his valor under fire in Viet Nam.

He was a real Priest by the way, the kind that men are inspired to follow just like St. Joan

[FatherNathan]

@patfealy No sir the Roman Church departed from us and the rest of the Church by declaring the pope infallible. I do not believe in an emasculated Christianity but I don't believe masculinity is found in how many heads you can bash to pieces or how many woman you can rape and how many towns you can pillage in the name of Christ. I don't know Fr. Vincent but Viet Nam is yet another example of senseless war. Trust me I work with the homeless and have to pick of the pieces.

[hopkins4545]

@FatherNathan Why are not out helping the poor, doing that kind of thing? Is YouTube where the Holy Spirit rests?  I mean...Michael Jackson Dead at 50? Get to work, please--social justice, Christ's Gospel, real work.

[Thetruuth1]

Firstly, the five patriarch thing is an Orthodox, not Catholic, position - and it is, of course, wrong. Secondly, the Church HAS taught that the just war doctrine is to be accepted -Catechism. The Church never says WHICH wars are acceptable, but it does leave open the possibility that there CAN be just wars, and gives guidelines for HOW that can be determined. Thirdly, there are more than seven eccumenical councils. Again, saying there are only 7 is an Orthodox, not Catholic, position.

[FatherNathan]

@Thetruuth1 Right and the Roman Church acknowledges the validity of the Orthodox Church. Secondly, the Orthodox Church IS Catholic it is not Roman Catholic but it is part of the Catholic and Apostolic faith handed down by the Apostles. Third, I am Orthodox.

[Thetruuth1]

I wish you would have said this in this video. May be we could have avoided what the "Church" teaches on just wars. Most Catholics follow Rome, but I understand now where you are coming from. And I appreciate all your hard work.

[laniwilliamson]

Dr. Tiller did good things for women who had to have abortions for medical reasons. One reason an unborn child that has no brain and will die after it's born. I have heard stories that Dr. Tiller treated deceased babies with respect and letting the parents see and holding them if they wanted too.

Dr.Tiller respected women and their rights. I know one thing his death firmly told me that I'm really Pro-Choice and proud of my position because we as nation have to trust women.

[rob18767]

What he was "killing" was not alive (not conscious).

Christianity only pretends it is (alive) because it uses suffering (the unwanted to be born) to survive.

Christianity thrives on suffering and is, as a result, a horrible ideology.....

[dbhma7]

FatherNation, if you have read the Bible you KNOW God COMMANDS the death penalty for murderers! Yes, the state should do it, but you cannot say that you are a Christian who follows the Bible and think you can veto any portion of the Bible.

You know there were children scheduled for slaughter that week and following weeks. Tiller's family's grief didn't hold a candle to the children's lives saved.

I would imagine you would deem it ok to shoot a Nazi about to murder a Jew in a death camp.

[FatherNathan]

Do you want to live by all the commands of God or all that God allowed under the old covenant? Then you have to stone your son if he dishonors you, if your brother dies you have to marry his wife and you should get working! The Sabbath is soon! Christ said it is no longer and eye for an eye. You have to look at the Bible in totality and context.

[dbhma7]

Christ said He came not to destroy the law but to uphold it. There are a lot of laws that would make our land more righteous.

Today deflowering a virgin (unbetrothed) is seen as no big deal by atheists, and Christians say, "Oh, that was a sin they need to repent of!" then nothing more. The Bible commands the man endow her to be his wife! (If both are believers, not incest, etc.) For a father to prevent this would be to prostitute her and "cause her to be defiled" with a different man.

[Thetruuth1]

The Catholic Church teaches that war is justified in some circumstances, e.g. WWII. So how can you say, if you are pro-life you have to be against war? If Tiller didn't repent of his many mortal sins before he died, then the church also teaches he goes to hell.  I am not condoning what happened to him. The man was possessed, and loved to kill. He was never going to stop. I thank God the clinic is closed and he can't kill! Too many silent Bishops. Nancy Pelosi's Bishop must be deaf and blind.

[FatherNathan]

@Thetruuth1 The Roman Church teaches that war is justified in some circumstances but the whole of the Church does not teach this as a universal doctrine or dogma. War also under the situations you speak of has to be "just" and shooting a man at Church in cold blood does not fit that description. Also, the Church (roman or otherwise) does not speak on who is in Hell or who isn't. The Roman Church has never declared a single person as being in Hell only God can judge that.

[Thetruuth1]

Fr. Nathan, what is the "whole of the church"? The Catholic Church isn't a democracy, what does the Pope say? Explain St Augustine's writings, St. Joan of Arch, David, and it goes on and on. There are conditions to having a "just war". Also, the church teaches who will go to hell if they cut themselves off from God's grace and don't repent, this is fact. I don't know if the individual Tiller is in Hell, but if he didn't repent before he died, he is in eternal suffering, as he should be. peace

[FatherNathan]

@Thetruuth1 The head of the Church is Christ not the Papacy.  The five patriarchates make up the ruling body of the Church and only when those five Patriarchs agree does something truly become founding to the whole Church and it also must be bound in holy synod. So when I say the whole of the universal Church doesn't teach just war is because there is no general or dogmatic decree of the seven ecumenical councils.

[Thetruuth1]

Fr., I know that Christ is the Head of His Church and He left his vicar, the Prince of the Apostles to represent him in his place. The five Patriarchs have not agreed that wars are just or unjust, so saying you are not pro-life if you believe in just wars is untrue, would it not?

[Thetruuth1]

Fr., I know that Christ is the Head of His Church and He left HIs vicar, the Prince of the Apostles to represent him in his place. The Pope represents Him. It is he that we should consult on matters of His teachings.

[FatherNathan]

@Thetruuth1 No where in the Bible does it say the Pope represents Christ or that Christ left Peter in His place. The early Church fathers do not teach this. The historical Seven Councils do not teach this, the original Canons do not teach this, the Creed does not teach this, only Rome (conveniently) teaches this to its own advantage. Rome has separated itself from the whole of the rest of the Church by its choice to promote Papal infallibility and supremacy.

[Thetruuth1]

No where in the bible does it say purgatory or trinity -church teachings. A title of the pope implying his supreme and universal primacy, both of honour and of jurisdiction, over the Church of Christ. It is founded on the words of the Divine Shepherd to St. Peter: "Feed my lambs. . . . Feed my sheep" (John 21:16-17), by which He constituted the Prince of the Apostles guardian of His entire flock in His own place, thus making him His Vicar and fulfilling the promise made in Matthew 16:18-19.

[FatherNathan]

@Thetruuth1 Also, I don't know where but at some point you said I deleted your comments. I most certainly have not.

[Thetruuth1]

Fr.,

I have one more question, Was George Tiller an antichrist?

[FatherNathan]

@Thetruuth1 I don't know. I'm not God. Was he anti to Christs teachings of course but its not my place to say he was or wasn't.

[Thetruuth1]

The Apostles, saints, prophets all described Antichrists. I think it is our place and responsibility as Children of God to call evil, evil. A person who hates God and performs diabolical acts against his most innocent and beloved children is an Anti-Christ. Millions of Jews and Catholics called Hitler an Antichrist. God will judge that person, but we can describe their actions while they are here on earth.

[KRISTYKATERI]

I completely agree with you...I know that Dr. Tiller could've a conversion of heart...it truely saddened me to hear of his death. May God have mercy on us. God Bless you, Father. May the Peace of Christ Be With You!

[thesource1981]

I dont agree with you at all, that man was a satanic monster and no offence to you but a bullet was humane for a monster of that nature

[MWTorun]

Im pro-life and thats why im pro-death penalty

[FatherNathan]

OXYMORON

ox·y·mo·ron (ŏk'sē-môr'ŏn', -mōr'-)

n. pl. ox·y·mo·ra (-môr'ə, -mōr'ə) or ox·y·mo·rons

A rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms are combined, as in a deafening silence and a mournful optimist.

a figure of speech by which a locution produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, as in cruel kindness or to make haste slowly.

[MWTorun]

I think, Father, we both know what the CCC says. Death penalty is morally acceptable and is a just punishment, however cases when its necessary are rare or *maybe* don't occur nowadays. That's far from being "anti - death penalty".

[cpmkw]

Interesting that I commented on two of your videos three days ago—this one, and your anti-gay commentary. It's telling that you chose to comment substantially to my reply to your anti-gay comments, but post nothing here. Seems youre more emotionally tied to the homophobia issue than you are to the "save the babies" issue. Would that i were surprised by this. Once again: You are a fraud. You make no effort to work through the real moral issues I lay out below. Just, "control the women": Phony.

[cpmkw]

You're a conscienceless fraud. What you do is not morality, it's fascism.

A woman is not a slave. She's an actual (viable, living) HUMAN BEING. What you suggest is the immoral, and beyond creepy. This is why PEOPLE FIGHT AGAINST YOU and WiLL NEVER ALLOW YOUR AGENDA TO PASS.

So sit here, in your little room, with your little "God likes me" costume on, mindlessly pontificating fascism, misogyny, homophobia, and the antithesis of compassion and enlightenment in your masturbatory frenzy.

[onclave6]

Your a liberal ,pro abortion(killing babies)

gay marriage supporter(since a man and woman made you with the help of God ,you do not make any sense)And your a pro Obama supporter(Great)lol

[cpmkw]

You are totally right--abortion is evil: It would be much better to force the 11 year old girl raped by her dad, or the woman who has learned she's carrying the anacephalic or the dead fetus, to "keep on, for God" and carry continue to carry her own brother/son/nephew; to go those extra few months of stress on her body till her nonviable headless fetus comes out and immediately dies; or until her body goes into toxic shock. Hey, she may not be happy--but at least God won't send her to hell!

[chaoslord73]

Well said Father.

[outfielder77]

George Tiller was a evil man

[Aranel1200]

i believe that the death of Dr.Tiller was very wrong and the literal group should NOT have taken matters in there own hands because in the past years its been catastrophic,SECOND as it states in the official case that it was LEGAL for tiller to preform abortions so the literalists had no right to do what they did. and if you ask me the literalists were the ones committing the crime in this case NOT Tiller because he was doing his job. and ppl should do what they want not what the bible wants.

[JohnHasSeriousQ]

Abortions are not wrong because life begins with experience NOT conception! A fetus is not a baby; it is only the POTENTIAL to become a baby!

Free Abortion On Demand!

[FatherNathan]

Experience? So someone in college is more alive then someone who's in middle school? Life begins with growth. Something that isn't alive can not grow so if the baby is growing its alive.

[grumpyturtle1971]

interesting point. i really do not know where i sit on the issue of abortion. i know i love my children and i love the baby that i am due to have in October.

[JohnHasSeriousQ]

No! According to your logic, old people who have stopped growing are dead! I know the slogan Free Abortion on Demand is a hard pill to swallow for those who believe God is the giver of life. In fact, if you are anything like my mother, you think this slogan is disgusting. Life begins with experience and the becoming aware of personhood: that would be birth, not conception! Just because a fetus is alive and growing does not mean it is as precious: a fetus has no experience of life!

[JohnHasSeriousQ]

If those who are ardent pro-lifers really thought all life was just a precious as all other life then they would not sop-up their after-sex-fluids with tissue and flush it down toilets. Granted, abortions are gruesome for the women who have them, but as long as women are specially oppressed, and until all men who think they can knock-up who they want and wipe their hands clean of all responsibilities then abortions should remain free, accessible, and on demand up until birth!

[JohnHasSeriousQ]

Ardent pro-lifers ignore, overlook, under-appreciate, or simply will try to justify away the socio-economic conditions of our world that set women and children up as second-class citizens in the first place! Future people will look back on history with great appreciation that we undertook the challenge to undo the socio-economic conditions of disparities that blacks, women/children and workers endure! Until that time, adoptions should be free to the qualified and Abortions Free on Demand!

[d2146498]

What more proof do people need that the abortion movement is not about choice but about killing babies. They choose a person who broke the law to murder babies weeks, even days before they would have been born, to mourn as a hero. This jackass was a damn serial killer that an ineffective justice system failed to take into custody and stop.  So, naturally, a concerned citizen finally popped a cap in this criminal's ass.

[dragonpat666]

if i want to abort an unwanted fetus, i wouldn't need to go to an abortion doctor to get it done. women have been aborting unwanting pregnancies for milleniums. you cannot protect the unborn if the woman carrying it won't. for the simple fact that a woman can abort without anyone ever finding out tells me that it is a PERSONAL choice. always have been always will be and will always be a CHOICE women will consider. this murder hurt the pro-life movement.

[232323C]

yes it is pro life to say he got what he deserved...his family? what about the babies sliced and diced.....your wrong

[232323C]

you talk about hsi chance to turn around...sick,,,....waht about the innocent children he diced and sliced.....GOD JUDGED HIM......he was a murderer..and God took him out..through a man

[232323C]

to top it off he sat in a pew and was active in a church...blasphemous..you don't think God judges through violence..read the bible you preach and all throughout it are examples..dogs lapping their blood from the streets....this man was debauched..a nut killed him...GOOD

[rudge1982]

Have you read any books by Montague Summers?

Also, have you ever read the Malleus Maleficarum?

[RavensFeedMe]

Jesus said don't kill...love your enemies... so the murder is wrong.

If the developing fruit on a tree is considered to have life...than so is the fruit in a mother's womb.

Also stop thinking all catholic priests molest kids... that's just stupid.. but also, I would like to say to the "priest" ..Jesus said call no man on earth your Father and not to take oaths...to whom more is given..more is expected

[carcosa]

Get real. Your bible is a fairy story, full of hateful lies.

"Also stop thinking all catholic priests molest kids... that's just stupid"

Explain why the catholic church has engaged in an organized coverup of child rape by priests for well over a century at least.

[CaptainLoveSquirt]

lol dont be a hippocrite...do you call your dad "father""dad" Pop" they all mean the same thing...a father is a term of endearment to the priest we mean it in the same way we call our own fathers...

[Canvideo]

It appears that Christians need direction as to how much force is necessary for one human being to stop another from taking the life or lives of others. The laws of the land makes distinctions between the born and the pre-born, so the amount of force used to stop killing the discriminated are very limited. People are arrested for peaceful gatherings and protests. So - if there is such a thing as a justifiable war in Christianity, people need direction in this one.

[mickey2051]

Abortion advocates have to keep this alive as long as possible so they can cry for more abortion rights concerning late-term abortions.

Does CNN promote assasination of the president when they air segments showing dead soldiers and questioning the war? Of course not but that is the same thing they are claiming pro-choice people have done. It is a crazy argument that has gotten no traction.

Tiller was radical even for the pro-choice crowd so he was easily forgotten.

[mecher3k]

wtf do you mean more abortion rights? Wow you are retarded.

[mickey2051]

Just by your white trash mouth you shouldn't call anybody retarded. Learn how to speak and then voice your opinion.

[mecher3k]

lol white trash mouth, that's the best you got? Nothing to actually come back at what I said.

You admit defeat then.

[nblackburn]

I love how at 1:10 - 1:18 he gives my arguments on the major differences between abortion and murdering someone. This list of things is one of my major reasons why I am pro choice, because a fetus doesn't have these things. Thanks father....o and god's not real so stop wasting your life.

[psykosochul]

oh, btw why are you a priest?

You're a cute smart decent guy. Don't you want a family, and a wife?

[mapleloaf67]

You taking time off from fucking boys who set you up to say what anybody can do

[carcosa]

Evangelicals are the American Taliban. Increasingly their actions mirror those of the Taliban; hate speech, murderous acts of terrorism in order to suppress those with whom they disagree politically.

You go, guys! Isolate the GOP and turn them into a regional party of backwoods hicks!

[RavensFeedMe]

Do you think Jesus and Mohammed have the same teachings?

[coolbrian15]

when do's a baby get ther soul

[broadleygreen]

I entirely agree with you ,father

[WulfgarCommand]

Father Nathan-just a semi related thought...do you think Moses was forgiven for killing an Egyptian in defense of another human? Do you think he regretted it? what in your oppinion did God think of Moses's actions? Would God have preffered Moses to let the Egyptian beat and perhaps kill the Israelite? Unless I'm mistaken, the Egyptian was also a valued individual who's oppurtunity to repent was cut short by Moses. Just a thought, thanks.

[Urrelles]

@ Wulfargar Command

Moses was punished according to the Bible. He spent the next 40 years wandering the desert.

From a historical standpoint he fled out of the kingdom in fear for his life and wandered about as a hermit int he desert. He was not able to safely return for 40 years when, he knew that his murder was not be remembered.

[WulfgarCommand]

urrelles-Who punished him? God or man? Or both? And if God, how do we see this in scripture? I'm sure he repented, but was he forgiven w/no punishment in the afterlife??

[uniontupapa]

Murder is always wrong and evil is never the answer to fight evil. In my own eyes tiller was a mass murder but still the act of taking his life was an evil

[migkillertwo]

Let's remember fathernathan, if George Tiller had not been murdered, then he would have done more late-term abortions. The women seeking such abortions would not have gone to other doctors, he was only one of five doctors in the United States who provided such services.

Killing George Tiller is really tantamount to the LAPD killing Emil Matasareanu and Larry Phillips. It prevents more killing, and one need not compromise their pro-life position to say that they are in favor of Tiller's murder

[FatherNathan]

Correcting, he was one of three.

Are you saying then by this statement that someone should hurry up and get the other two?

Yes Tiller was a murder and yes he would continue forward in killing other innocent lives.

But I also believe in a God who is boundlessly more powerful and awesome then my intellect and so I believe if God wanted Tiller gone then he'd have been gone.

But the issue is we've all got free will and God's not going to step in the way of that.

[migkillertwo]

Sorry to be nit-picky here, but he worked at one of 3 clinics which provided late-term abortions.

Moving on, I would say yes, hurry up and stop those other doctors ASAP, and killing them seems to be the best way, given that the Government refuses to do its damn job and protect the liberties of the unborn.

this statement

"I believe if God wanted Tiller gone then he'd have been gone."

directly contradicts this one

"we've all got free will and God's not going to step in the way of that."

[migkillertwo]

this sort of evil is why god created government

[FatherNathan]

No the statements do not contradict themselves. I was stating that we've all got free will to do what we wish including the abortionist, the girls getting an abortion and the murderer who shot Tiller. Everyone of them had the free will capacity to do what they did and God did not stop it. However, God does have the power to take us out when and where He wants to.

I think its funny that you rely much more on your government then your God to repair these situations.

[psykosochul]

Mig you're a retard, and should of been aborted.

The unborn have no rights or liberties. The doctor was just doing his job, and providing a service that people wanted.

You religious clowns know nothing of evil or free will so please stfu.

[migkillertwo]

"Mig you're a retard, and should of been aborted."

I love you too

"The unborn have no rights or liberties."

They're persons. Ergo, they have rights and liberties.

"You religious clowns know nothing of evil or free will so please stfu."

Yes, as if there's no such thing as a Godless pro-lifer *cough* Chris Hitchens *cough*

[psykosochul]

"I love you too"

No seriously fuck you.

"They're persons. Ergo, they have rights and liberties."

No, not really. If you were right abortion would be illegal, aye? They have no rights at all.

It should stay that way.

"Yes, as if there's no such thing as a Godless pro-lifer *cough* Chris Hitchens *cough* "

Lol, Okay. Like that has anything to do with what I posted.

[prolifeinternational]

I heard that since 1973 Tiller killed about 60,000 babies.. At the equivalent $5,000 a time (his standard fee) that`s around $300 million.. Who ever said crime doesn`t pay?

It was wrong to shoot him but he should`ve been tried and jailed for a monstrous crime against humanity.

[Millingtorres]

Great video Father.

[FatherNathan]

In just war practices you don't walk into someone's house of worship and shoot them in cold blood in front of friends and family.

With the Nazi's you are talking about a totally corrupt governing system attempting to become a super power and take over the world as a whole. With Tiller we are talking about a corrupt branch of government and a twisted individual calling himself a doctor.  But in this case we should rely on the government to correct itself from its just branches.

[helgihg]

FatherNathan: "With the Nazi's you are talking about a totally corrupt governing system attempting to become a super power and take over the world as a whole."

Romans 13 doesn't say that the governing authorities are sent by God only if they're not psychotic dictatorships. It just says that governing authorities are sent by God to punish the evildoers. The Nazi Germany government was a government. It was even democratically elected (although they destroyed democracy after that).

[helgihg]

That said, I really don't want to argue with you a lot about Biblical interpretation, FatherNathan. You're a Catholic and I understand that you're probably not a Biblical literalist. Even though I'm an atheist, we are allies on the things that are the most important; turning the other cheek, respecting human beings and life more generally, loving our enemies and so forth. Those are good principles. But I really studied Romans 13, it doesn't exclude tyranny, it rationalizes it.

[ChurchofIDK]

God is supposed to be eye for an eye.

People are supposed to be turn the other cheek.

Murder of an abortionist is wrong...

-I'm pro-life.

[helgihg]

I hate to play the Nazi card, but how would you have argued against gassing millions of people (who WERE NOT considered innocent, they were considered traitors) in Nazi Germany? Thou shalt not kill, thou shalt turn the other cheek, God damn it!

Romans 13:1-7 excuses any terrible atrocity committed by any government and cannot be used as an argument for the death penalty. The state has no more of a right than anyone else to kill in the name of vengeance.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[helgihg]

No, I wouldn't have killed Hitler in retribution. I might have killed him in war, though.

Even so, killing Hitler wouldn't have made any difference whatsoever. The Nazi movement was a popular movement and hundreds of people were involved at the top. Part of the ideology was to have a central leader which needed to be worshiped, and without Hitler, it would simply have been someone else. Göbbels, Himmler, Göring, Bormann, Meissner, any of them would have done the exact same thing.

[tonygmilan7]

i agree with u then. 2 wrongs dont make a right, but we cannot compare infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia to the death penalty. the former three are taking innocent life, while the latter is taking guilty life.

[helgihg]

It's taking life in vengeance. Then there are the practical issues like wrongful convictions (and no justice system will ever, ever, ever be perfect or unbiased enough) but let's skip those for now. Just from a moral perspective, to punish someone out of vengeance is at best barbaric. It's certainly not Christian.

[tonygmilan7]

not because of vengeance, but out of the safety of the rest of the community.

[helgihg]

tonygmilan7: Oh, come on. Prison works just as fine for that. Societies with the death penalty *are not safer* than societies without it. This "safety of the community" argument barely manages to be a lousy excuse for the release of hatred. The death penalty *does not* protect society and if it isn't patently obvious by now, I wonder when it will be.

[Lanark8]

What you reset persists. Its a question of approach and people being given the correct tools to allow a means to respond to a action upon which they hate. Its not rocket science. Kind regards,

[theGermexican]

I don't think he should have been killed. I think it doesn't reflect well on the pro-life movement. And like you, I believe he can no longer be turned around because of his death. That said, I haven't lost an ounce of sleep over him. Much the same I wouldn't kill somebody who holds nazi beliefs, but wouldn't feel to bad for him otherwise.

[BLUEFlSH7]

Amen Amen

[fishe153]

great video, I totally agree with you.

[stuart20017]

You got it right Father!