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  • Do you still use Hulu now that is has Hulu Plus

  • Yo, can you PM me your wallpaper

  • Have you even tried iTunes on Windows? It's one of the most bloated applications currently out there - in fact I'd go so far as to say it's as bad as REALPLAYER, there I said it.

  • well itunes on windows isnt the best:/ on MAC's its great! but on windows its kinda lame but whatever thats windows for ya haha

  • As a MAC user you dont relies how bad the Windows ver of ITUNES IS. The same problem exists with Safari. I will conceed that ITUNES is actually pretty efficient on a MAC but it has endless problems on any thing else. Half the time it updates sinking or some other feature is broke for Windows comuters. And given that the IPOD is destined primarily to require ITUNES there should be a LINUX ver. In a Windows VM try the Windows ver of ITUNES and tell me it dose not suck. Apple half @SSed the Win ver

  • LOL repeat after me. We are all living in space balls 2 the search for more money.

    Though I am surprised to have you be upset about something like this. I mean was not Snow Leopard just a small update that really should have been free for Leopard users. Of course the same could be argued about W7 for Vista users. Why is it OK for Apple to over charge you but not your TV provider. I am confused?

  • dude i agree

  • Eric, please use iTunes on Windows. It is undeniably BLOATED. On my Mac it runs smooth as butter. Same with Quicktime. But on Windows, Apple software just SUCKS and I don't even know who to blame for it.

  • apple? Try songbird...it is MADE my a 3rd party company, and works wonderfully on windows. Apple is just lazy

  • songbird for osx also

  • @IgnorantPCFanboys indeed it is! apple make iTunes, and do not optimize it...therefore apple are lazy in that regards

  • then why not compare it to what microsoft makes?

  • @IgnorantPCFanboys windows media player/windows media center / zune

    try the zune software! It blows iTunes out of the wayer

  • i have tried it, I think it blows. why do you think its superior?

  • zune software is excellent.

  • and what makes it excellent, exactly?

  • it looks beautiful, runs quickly, can synchronise a number of devices, can stream and transcode to the xbox 360, has a NON-DRM music store

  • @JamesHardingVideos

    Apple offers DRM-free music in the iTunes store as well now.

  • itunes does all that except that xbox 360 for the compartively few people that actually have one. itunes is non drm also, please keep up

  • iTunes does NOT do all of that. it can ONLY sync iPods, it is not beautiful or speedy. it cannot transcode, and the DRM free songs are more expensive

  • i can sync my iphone also. what are you syncing with zune? cannot transcode? as in putting a cd in and adding the music? 20 cents? lol and how big is the zune library?

  • *microsoft is just lazy

  • Eric, you just don't understand how cable works man. They would be FOOLISH not to charge you for commercials and subscription fees. Also, just because you pay for cable, doesn't mean that college kids are (they are the group that dont buy cable but use these services). I mean, I know cable companies are shady, but as long as they stay under that certain penetration rate, then the FCC won't regulate them.

  • "I am not an advocate of piracy" and then "Everybody go out and pirate TV shows" .... I'm just gonna let that one explain it's self.

  • Oh, just wanted to add that windows media center will record anything for me with no extra charge (well a one time 50 bucks for a tv tuner). Another thing you fail to realize... Bones, House, and others you mentioned are on free tv. You pay cable because you choose not to use an antenna. Fox, abc, nbc you can have for free. Yes, really.

  • This assumes that you are living in an area when you can get good reception of the big five--out side of a major city even in the digital era that can be a problem. In some area if you want to get all five "free" channels cable is still your only option.

  • Completely agree, however in all honesty if you live in a place like that, this is your problem. They should make it free online because you can't get it free yourself? In my opinion, no... Same with the internet, if you live where there is no cable or DSL access you pay out the ass for crappy satellite. I was simply responding because this guy protects Apple and what they want to charge you like crazy. Nobody is forcing you or anyone else to be a consumer of the media. You want to be.

  • LordoftheReef, you missed his point. The point is why do stations that in general you can ONLY get though cable still run commercials? Sure much of the time the ads are for other programs on that station but unless you are on a movie station (HBO, TMC, Showtime, etc) your program is broken up by commercials **just as it is on "free" TV**.

  • Also there is the elephant in the room that as the number of channels grow the markershare for each channel will drop making commercials as a whole less valuable but the cost of programing will increase. Considering the quality of some homebrew youtube stuff is BETTER than a good hunk of free TV that is just going accelerate the problem.

  • I don't feel I missed anyone's point. He is upset that he can no longer get something for free that he did before because he pays for it in another form. Hulu has no obligation whatsoever to give out anything for free, period. Don't get me wrong, I think it sucks too and will not use Hulu anymore once this happens. But for me to think they owe me something is ludicrous. They own it, they charge what they want, we decide if its worth it. Simple economics.

  • You make interesting comments in this video versus your video about itunes and how palm wants to be able to sync with it. You say something like "Apple has the god given right to do what they want with what they made" (referring to itunes). How is it different with hulu? You don't like that they are using their "god given right" to make you pay so you want to go pirate shows because you feel your entertainment should be free?

  • Love the new itunes extras its like getting a DVD or blu-ray. Which i did miss the special features once i started buying movies off itunes a few years ago. Like commentary behind the scenes. And now its gone digital no physical medium. Yeah

  • Quick time 10 is stripped down how the hell is it Bloated.

    I like QT X though but apple dropped some handy features that I miss. So i use QT 7 and QT X. Best of both.

  • Oh and I don't have a cable or Tv subscription. Can't really afford 500 channels I wont even watch.

  • to me DVD's are for long term backup.

  • Hell yeah, and when you buy from iTunes you own it. Put it on your iPhone, iPod or Mac... Why pay Comcast $100 a month for HD when my AppleTV kicks ass.

  • I'm with you "E" I'll turn my back on hulu right along with you.

  • thank you for spelling it like it is.

  • Heck yeah, if they turn into a pay service, Im gone and so is 90% of their viewers. Hopefully it will be like the games for windows live system, which they gave up on because no body bought into it.

  • Hahaha I love rage rants. However Comcast is putting shows online now..... Or should be soon.... lol Its a part of your service as ON Demand.

  • wish my itunes would launch that fast on my macbook xD and hulu isnt really good =/ at least the last few times i been using it the videos have been freezing on me. but yea if they make it a payment service they going to loose a lot of viewers.

  • I'll never pay for it.

  • I don't see how using a DVR (for your own use of course) is pirating. Also, Hulu might have had this planned from the beginning. They might've said, "let's get people hooked on this site so when we have enough viewers, we can start charging them and because they're already hooked, they'll pay"

  • i agree 100%

  • Indeed using a DVR or other device to record TV shows is not illegal in the USA.

    Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc. 1984 "The Betamax case"

  • i have never used hulu, do the tv shows have ads on hulu, if not then pay makes sense for the fees returned for content and bandwidth storage. How much can be questioned. As for cable i thought the original intent was to carry transmission to those over the air failed, I would like anyone to run cable and give tv for free. Cable cost is transmission costs where as Ads is content costs & internet is other transmission costs, makes sense to me.

  • Hulu has ads. And I pay for cable, but i wont pay for hulu. I wont give comcast money 2 times for the same shows and still watch hulu ads..

  • well, you do not need to pay them twice, drop your cable & go all internet viewing. I cannot stand Satellite, Cable what have you for other reasons, I just get over the air digital and use itunes, netflix downloads to watch content.

  • Why not simply cancel your cable and only pay for Hulu? It's more convenient.

  • fuck hulu.. and the stupid cunts who run it..

    hack the planet

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  • @martysweeney

    It means he thinks before he speaks. You might try it.

  • No I had other things to do. Do you just sit in front of YouTube all day trolling?

    Calling people names and throwing tantrums, just shows that you're quite juvenile and immature. HTH.

  • Oh look at that @martysweeny is shouting and having a little tantrum. Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

    So is there something about Linux netbooks you don't particularly like? Not that we really care.

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  • Sticks and stones...

    Well so what If I had a Linux netbook, which originally came with Linux. It's not illegal or anything is it?

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  • People who live in glass houses....

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  • Oh so you've been watching my videos, that's nice.

    Yup that was an Acer One netbook running Ubuntu, which originally came with Linpus Linux, as I was travelling light at the time. I had no desire to be carrying a full sized laptop around a hot and humid Hong Kong all day.

    I've now sold the Acer, and have now got a Sony Vaio P UMPC with Windows 7, which is even lighter and smaller than that Acer One.

    And If you've seen my more recent videos, you'll see that I'm using a Mac.

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  • You're the one who's got confused. Between the concepts of Free Open Source Software (FOSS) like Linux, and ALL RIGHTS RESERVED commercial TV shows, such as those on Hulu. Thinking that you're entitled to watch them for free without adverts or payment. When in fact you're not.

    Linux and all FOSS are indeed truly FREE. Free from charge, free to hack and modify, free to distribute, free to use for any purpose.

    ALL RIGHTS RESERVED means the TV shows and movies are NOT free in anyway at all.

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  • My Linux?? WRONG try again.

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  • I know you are, but what am I?

  • why have it free to start with then. why not charge for the content straight away. why have it at all then. you lot are suckered in to the corporate ideas, but you will use freeware operating systems and have probably hacked your neighbours broadband to get your fucking broadband. look you fucking idiot, i have an opinion just like everyone else and i think we shouldnt pay any extra.. 1 payment for all is what it should be you moron. i hope you get cancer

  • Who says anything about using 'freeware operating systems'?

    Most PCs have a valid Windows license stuck on the side or bottom. For which the cost is included with the PC's purchase price. Mac's also have the cost of OS X included in the price.

    Or are you talking about pirating Windows or using the FREE open-source Linux?

    Just my opinions.

  • HACK THE PLANET

  • if you want to view hulu. use an ip changer

  • Doesn't always work with Hulu, using a VPN to change IP to a US one. Hulu has caught onto this and is specifically blocking most commonly used free VPNs, like Hotspot Shield.

    Fortunately the BBC is not doing this, so I can still watch BBC iplayer when I'm in Hong Kong. :)

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  • I know you are, but what am I? :)

  • I've never used hulu becasue im apparently not allowed to due to my location

  • I dont wanna sound gay but-> Your videos are actually pretty good and full of truth.....BUT YOU ARE TALKING LIKE A REDNECK. No offence.....

    I mean your right but the way you say it make you sound less competent.

    I know...you probably dont care but just my two cents ^^ Peace...

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  • Eric your complaining about your cable bill been so high. There is an easy answer to this, just stop subscribing to the porn channels. It's porn along with premium movies and sports which are the major costs of a cable subscription.

  • and they call Pirate Bay evil

    (pot & kettle much?)

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  • 'ruin these guys'. So you want to ruin ABC, NBC and Fox? The TV stations which own Hulu.

    If the TV stations where to be ruined, there would be NO House or Lost or The Office or Family Guy or Saturday Night Live or Simpsons or 30 Rock. Then what would you do?

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  • The TV stations wont be happy. Making TV programmes costs money, lots of money. Those TV stations don't get any financial return from their programmes been on pirate sites. Less money for the TV stations, means they're less likely to make new programmes.

    I see by your profile you're in the UK. Do you watch ITV player or Channel 4 and Channel 5 online? For FREE and paid for by advertising. BBC iplayer is free from adverts and FREE to view because that's paid for by the TV license.

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  • ROFL. 'small fortune for my internet usage'. Suggest you change ISP. I hardly pay anything for my internet.

    I totally agree though that charging for content AND showing adverts is bad. But that's already has been happening for a long time with both cable and satellite subscriptions. Now if Hulu was to offer a paid service and NOT show adverts...

    The 'shit' has never has been free. You watch adverts during the programmes. That's effectively your payment for watching the programmes for free.

  • mukatuna your a fucking idiot.. what we are saying is we dont want adverts and we dont want to pay. if we have to pay on top of the internet then we dont want it. that is why we watch it on the internet.. im in northern ireland and we pay through the nose for broadband, so get a fucking life and stop trying to explain a reason why corporate assholes rip the ass out of us when your not a corporate employee...

  • You and AppleSoldier are the confused ones, not me Whatever you're paying to your ISP for your internet access does NOT pay for online content like TV shows. TV companies get nothing from the ISPs. You're only paying for them to provide you with a connection to the internet, and NOT online content.

    If a company wants to charge for watching it's programmes then so be it. Don't bloody cry about.

    Do you pay for any online games like Xbox Live or WoW? If so why would this be any different to TV?

  • .....so there is no choice of competitive ISPs in NI? What no Talk Talk(my ISP) or Sky?

  • @martysweeney

    "what we are saying is we dont want adverts and we dont want to pay."

    Yes lets provide a completely free service and make no profit. This will be an awesome business model. You sir are a genius. (/sarcasm)

  • there is more idiots on here than enough. we already pay for internet access you stupid cunts. why should we pay twice..

    mukatuna you are a real fucking idiot. go play with your C.B you fucking idiot...

  • One thinks that @martysweeney is the idiot for not getting the very simple fact that paying an ISP for internet access, does NOT cover the costs of providing online content such as TV shows or provides entitlement to watch those TV shows without adverts or a payment.

    @zoulkyud sums it up perfectly with "Yes lets provide a completely free service and make no profit. This will be an awesome business model."

    YouTube has adverts, that's how it's paid for. Do you have any objection to this?

  • Hulu isn't owned by comcast. It is a joint venture with NBC, ABC, and FOX.

    The money gained from commercials again doesn't go to the cable company it goes to the networks.

    Your cable bill is going to pay for the infrastructure and the ability to watch the shows.

    Lastly, the cable/networks never think they are making enough and should lower prices.

  • I used an ipod and itunes for 3 years and I'm not gonna use it again but I'm not gonna attack someone for using it either. Why can't we all just put this apple vs windows crap aside. everyone has their own opinion of whats better. I just say go with what you like but don't condemn someone because they don't like the same thing or have the same opinion.

  • I love this rant... so cool. haha i'm like laughing my ass off. 5 stars!

  • I feel exactly the same, if my wife didn't want cable I wouldn't pay for the bull shit...

  • hulu is blocked in canada :( i hate comcast

  • hey Eric, you realize that Apple is rumor to be doing a subscription service for iTunes for TV shows for supposed price of $30 a month. I imagine you'll turn around and say this is a good thing. Yet Hulu wanting to a subscription service it's suddenly a bad thing.

  • well that would be tied into iTunes..and iTunes has always been a paid store..so its not the same as Hulu's case.

    I really want them to stay free :/

  • I would not pay for hulu. I'm sorry but that stuff is already mostly on TV and some old movies!

  • Well said. but 10:37, "And **** you idiot noobs WHO DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER" wtf? Yeah **** them idiots Who DO Know better. but not ones that don't

  • this is the reason i've been subscribed to you eric for as long as i have. although i think if hulu goes to payments, they'll loose soooo many viewers. i can watch the same shit off hulu that i can on hulu. except hulu is better quality.

  • im pirating right now...

    ;)

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  • Nice video. I agree with you on what you said about cable, but theres not much we can do about it. They do whatever they can to make money.

  • you bashed them good.

  • Normally I do not agree with emeek but I agree 100% with what you said about hulu.

  • In would pay for Hulu, although not in addition to cable.

  • That's kind of similar to my situation. Since the TV stations started showing their programmes online, I don't have a cable or satellite subscription at all. And the only live TV I watch is on Freeview, which is a free-to-air DTV service in the UK.

    If something like ITV was to offer a paid for service which was ADVERT FREE, I might go for it. I certainly wouldn't want to be paying if it still showed adverts during the programmes.

  • itunes isn't a hog on the mac, it is a giant piece of turd on windows though. windows is a giant piece of turd too.

  • iTunes on Windows sucks, it runs slowly, and takes like 16 seconds to load. I prefer iTunes on MAC OS. I updated Quicktime on my windows vista (:þ) a while ago, and It stopped working, and I reinstalled like five times (still the same). Currently I use safari and it always crashes on certain pages, and claims it has a missing plug-in if I try to chat on facebook. I think Apple products on Windows just suck in general. I'll be switch to a mac soon though.

  • thats because its a port lol.

  • It's true, and it's because Mac apps use the UNIX memory and CPU resource management (which btw are the most advanced nowadays), along with other special Mac-only Audio/Video technologies. It's difficult to replicate those under Windows, so they are replaced with more general functions, which perform less well.

  • At the end of this video, you described what you do all the time. You try to make Apple look better than it is, and make Windows look bad.

    Quit making excuses for OS X.

  • You have 4 cores...and that much CPU usage with three applications....?

    BAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    Case FUCKING CLOSED.

  • OS X works differently from Windows. Applications are given as much CPU power as they need, to work as well as possible. If you open more and more apps, the CPU power will be redistributed. That's why Mac apps perform better, and why OS X is better at multitasking

  • That was possibly the single most silly thing I have ever heard, from a user, on YouTube. I congratulate you on pretending to understand the structure of operating systems, and making stabs at Windows in relation to things you don't have a clue about.

  • You should do a little study on UNIX and Windows memory and thread management. You might actually learn something.

  • "See how fast it is?"

    As it, in a very blocky and chopped up manner, resizes album artwork.

    Case closed.

  • Eric, iTunes is bloated. It uses far more resources than it should, and its performance on the average system sucks. I have friends with MacBooks who hate it, and the MacBook is one of Apple's best selling products.

    Learn the definition of "bloated" in relation to software.

  • why did the iTunes name come up as Gary in the itunes store?

  • I'm off to the Piratebay and If I see macward looking for Warez, (Like he did with Final Cut) I'll tell him you said "hi".

  • $100 a month for cable? Are you sure this isn't for your cable, internet and phone service? There's a big difference.

    If you don't like cable, don't buy it. It's as simple as that. If you don't like Hulu, don't use it. Simple as that.

    It's their services, they can do whatever they want. You're not entitled to the internet or cable being the way you want it.

    Fuck you, Eric.

  • 'It's their sevices and thay can do what they want'

    I want to remember this chestnut, because in a free enterprise society, its the CUSTOMERS that drive how businesses operate. where is the UPN now? united with WB to form CW. apparently, the customers had spoken. I also noticed that you make a LOT of insipid comments that you get corrected on and then remove them

  • The only comments I remove are the ones I make typos on and then repost with corrected spelling.

    Hi, last I checked, Hulu doesn't have 'customers' right now, being a free service. Therefore, they really don't seem to give a damn what anyone thinks. No?

  • yeah, sure, right.

    of course they have customers: they want as many people to visit their site as they can. as do the networks whose programs they use. do you think they operate with zero overhead?

  • What other reason would I have to delete comments? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I'll admit such. But if I have a big glaring typo, well then I just look stupid.

    So what you're telling me, is that you know how to run Hulu better than they do? Well then, perhaps they should hire you and appoint you CEO.

    I think they know what their 'customers' want a little bit better than you do, if they actually go through with this. I for one would rather pay for Hulu than buy individual episodes from iTunes.

  • all righty.

    no, i am saying that ALL of hulu's customers dictate how it's run

  • Also, what are you on about? I've not removed a single comment on this video. That'd be "martysweeney" you're looking at, who's removed about 10 or so comments. I think you ought to learn how to read before you go attacking people.

  • I don't think that when people say that itunes is bloated, that they are referring to the interface. They are referring to size of itunes. Just look at the windows installer, it's almost 90 mb when windows media player is about 30.

  • apple installs some shit called bonjour service when you use itunes. and they make it nearly impossible to uninstall it even after removing itunes. what kind of sneaky crap is that. Theres no use for it and just messes up your system. way to go apple. i'll stick with windows which is way more reliable and doesn't install malware like bonjour.

  • This happens to all the free sites sooner or later. Still, why should I pay for a service with ads on it? That's why I got rid of my cable tv.

  • AppleSolider:

    Try using Zune Marketplace. It is way more sleek and elegant (while still staying fast and responsive) than iTunes.

  • i agree if hulu makes me pay then they are really pissing me off

  • On my HP Pavilion dv1000, 1.5Ghz Intel Celeron, 1Gb ram, iTunes is a fuckin BLOATED HOG.

    But on my mac it's just fine.....

  • i fucking hate comcast they wont let directv air vs so i cant even watch some hockey games, what assholes

  • Why don't you ditch Comcast, and subscribe to DirecTV satellite instead?

  • Hulu sucks. It's the gayest website I've ever been to, honestly, you can watch all of the videos on TV websites like FOX or ABC for free, and in better quality. That's how I catch up on all my shows.

    I don't watch TV but I watch all of my shows for free, legit. For example, go to FOX's site and click Watch Episodes.

  • Windows users are the largest customer base that Apple has because Windows users buy content through iTunes and yet Apple treats us like dirt. They can't even make a native Windows program for their largest customer base.

    Apple, without Windows users iTunes would be dead by now so please make a native version of iTunes for Windows next time.

  • Here Here!

  • they going to make it like mega video

  • New episodes of House aren't on Tuesdays. They're on Mondays.

  • I don't think you are understanding how the whole TV thing works. Hulu and your cable company don't make money on the ads that are shown, the TV networks do. Ads are what pay for the TV shows. Networks allow Hulu to show TV shows for free because the Networks get to run ads that bring in revenue for the TV shows. Hulu isn't making any money on the ads you watch. The same goes for Cable. They only make money by you paying for their Cable service, not from the ads you watch.

  • @liquidsuns I find it hard to believe that hulu isn't taking a cut from the ad revenue. Sure they probably don't make as much as the networks/shows but they are taking a cut.

  • Hulu is 100% owned by the TV companies ABC, NBC and Fox, and is directly financed by the TV companies. So I would say Hulu is receiving a cut of advertising profits.

  • There is a major difference between Hulu and the cable companies. Hulu receives it's finances directly from the TV companies. The cable companies only income is from paying subscribers.

    Hulu is owned by NBC, ABC and Fox. And thus will be financed by the those TV companies, with profits from adverts shown on Hulu.

  • Hulu is not going to be Pay-only, according to press releases from NBC Universal and FBN.

    iTunes is almost exactly the same on both OSes. If it does suck, it's probably because Apple conveniently made a bad piece of software.

  • @NeverMindTheGuns

    iTunes is almost exactly the same on both OSes. If it does suck, it's probably because Apple conveniently made a bad piece of software.

    No, no it's not. Have you even used both versions? It seems like you haven't. The OS X version is more stable, faster, and more responsive. The Windows version is slower, uses more resources, crashes on occasions, and is certainly less stable.

  • Completely agree on Hulu.

  • Yeah, iTunes is kinda bloated, to be honest. The Mac version is the only one worth using as a default media player, though. On Windows, it's a total mess.

  • I hope hulu charges. It will make the site much better.

  • EPIC OWNED!

  • itunes runs fast even on G4's and G5's!

  • if hulu does a premium service that is payed without ads i'd still use the free service

  • yeah it really annoy me when i pay over £37 a month for sky tv and get bombarded with 3 mins of ads every 15 min on most channels

  • I thought the whole idea behind HULU was free tv. Its called GREEEED.

  • Well, charging for Hulu is bad for us. I won't pirate anyway. Comcast is your ISP?

    I'll bet that Hulu is owned by NBC, FOX, ABC, Hulu employees and Providence Equity Partners. No Comcast.

    I won't dispute anything about iTunes, because I never used the Windows version of it.

  • Well, our US economy is in a bad shape right now with unemployment hitting the 10% mark, perhaps Hulu's finances are down as well.

  • the thing about the xbox is that Microsoft recognise that it has many faults so they bumped up the warranty

  • I think comcast is behind hulu. The only way it can be remotely close to being justified for them to implement a pay service is if they would allow downloading, and maybe a few gigs of online storage. Even then, if comcast is behind it, I already pay them.

  • i'm switchin to mac, gettin an imac next month ^_^

  • december

  • Better buy Windows too so that you actually have software to run on the Mac :P

  • oh really? what software is there that you think is missing for osx?

  • Are you really that stupid? For starters, just about every game... The Mac is a piece of shit not worth the cash, every PC user not only has more software, he also payed less for more powerful machine! And then, there is not a single thing a Mac user can do that he cannot, in fact the PC user now has a fatter wallet. Mac users arent smart.

  • are you considering total cost of ownership, frankrizzo6662?

  • What if I accidentally spill hot coffee on both a MacBook Pro, and a Dell Studio XPS 16?

    For the MacBook Pro, I have AppleCore, for the Dell, I have Complete Care.

    Apple will charge me roughly $1000 or more for a new logic board, since AppleCare doesn't cover accidental damage.

    Dell will send me a new laptop, and a box to ship the broken one back to them. Because Complete Care covers accidental damage.

    'Total Cost of Ownership' for the Mac just skyrocketed. Huh.

  • if you are THAT accident prone, just get safeware. com.

    skyrocketed? not by a long shot! you lose again...

  • Oh, so now I have to rely on a third party service to cover something I can get from Dell at a lower price? My my, I have lost, haven't I.

    I think you ought to reconsider how little sense your argument makes. You're setting up a bit of a double standard to protect Lord Jobs.

  • if you need this somewhat specialized item, then yes. in my 25 years of running computers know how many drinks i've spilled on them? zip,zero,zilch. so, yes, you lose again. double standard? how?

    trying to protect lord michael dell?

  • @IgnorantPCFanboys

    Because, when something makes the 'Total cost of ownership' of a Windows PC higher, you try to blow it up to be the biggest thing in the world. Oh viruses! Repairs! Tech support!

    But when a PC manufacturer offers a premium service that would be useful to many customers, for a fraction of what it would cost for a comparable Apple device! Oh, that doesn't matter, it's not important!

    Either factor in EVERY factor of 'ownership', or none. There's no selectively choosing.

  • please research further what TCO really is. there's much more than what you say

  • @IgnorantPCFanboys

    Like I said, consider all the factors, or none. I don't care what stupid definition you've formed to fit your argument. And you never seem to be able to back it up.

    It's pathetic that you Mac users have to brainwash yourselves into thinking it's more expensive to own a PC, when the numbers are right in front of your damned eyes.

    Wake up, reality is calling.

  • and you pc fanboys REFUSE to look at facts. fact 1 pcs break quicker. fact 2 customer service for pc is worse, sometimes far worse. fact 3 you run an inferior os, on so many levels

    fact 4, your reality is in arrears!

  • @IgnorantPCFanboys

    1) How exactly does a PC break quicker? It's all the same hardware. Apple and Dell motherboards are both manufactured by Foxconn.

    2) "Customer service for PC is worse"

    I'd rather have to talk to someone who is clearly not English, than have little to no coverage on my machine.

    3) "You run an inferior OS"

    I beg to differ. OS X is no better than Windows. They both use about the same amount of resources, they both run programs, and they both get the job done.

  • 1) i have owned pcs for 25 years and macs for 6. believe me, it's a well known fact that pcs don't last near as long. just because they are made by the same, doesn't mean the same quality is used

    2)customer service goes far beyond just having the company have english speaking support. what coverage can you get that i can't for a mac?

    3)wrong, win7 requiress more ram and a bigger processor. one runs programs well, the other is windows

  • @IgnorantPCFanboys

    1) Assuming every Windows PC is built inferior to a Mac is a poor way of looking at it. ASUSes are known to have high reliability.

    2) You can buy additional coverage, but it will of course cost you much more, and you'll have to go through additional sources. If you feel like doing so, more power to you.

    3) Windows 7 can run fine on a Pentium 3 with half a gig of RAM. The 'requirements' are more or less recommendations, to keep your computer running well.

  • 1 does every pc owner have an asus? no. therefore do not use that stat as being universal. ALL pc's must be included. all macs are.

    2)much more? nope. 82 bucks

    3)windows 7 starter is not an accurate measure since no-one uses it