Private sector wages have not kept up! In 1982 we were wiring an Airport Expansion at Edmonton International Airport. IBEW wage at the time was around $15/hr. The DOT, Department Of Transport was paying around $10/hr, the going rate at the time for a Government Electrician. I know, because I inquired about a job there! Drive from Edmonton to Nisku 5 days a week for $10/hr? Not Likely! Seems the shoe is on the other foot now!
@williejenkins666 No you are a fucking moron. Sadly North Korea is run by the most repressive government on earth. Millions have died of starvation over the last 20 years and most haven't even got the very basics to live on. You know this is a fact. So go fuck yourself.
You can say the same about profits, it is time the evil jew learned to live on 10% return and no more 80% returns on invest via 3rd world scab labor you evil dirty fuck.
How to Bust unions and the middle class voting power. Step 1 Buy off politician so you can pass a lopsided trade deal and clear the way for off shoring American jobs
Step 2 Outsource all the manufacturing jobs you can, this will dissolve unions and dry up the tax base (By the way blame the unions for the job loss)
Fuck you right wing scum. If you lot had your way we would have an illiterate population like North Korea. The reality is nearly $1 trillion dollars is spent on defence each year. Who benefits most?. Corporate America. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining, morons.
Kochheads will believe whatever their billionaire taskmasters tell them to believe. This is nothing more than a onesided tirade against the middle class. The same clowns badmouthing public school teachers would have been the same ones accusing union members of being Bolsheviks a hundreds years ago. Cops can't have unions? That's funny, ours does.
@harvey1954 If I'm to understand you correctly, the middle class and public sector unions are one and the same? If a person is against the NEA they must be against teachers themselves and furthemore education itself? Why don't you bother disputing the arguments made in this "tirade" instead of making embarrassingly simplistic assumptions and pretending that the only people who disagree with you are being paid by or controlled by the Koch brothers or some other corporate entity.
Ridiculous. You want cuts in the public sector, fine, but how dare you attack teachers? I've taken a pay cut every year for the last 3 years. As a 5th year teacher, I barely break 30K, my health benefits have decreased tremendously, my class size has increased to almost 40, my school lost 4 positions JUST THIS YEAR and you're telling me that I'M the reason the recession is lasting so long? No. You want to attack public sector workers, fine, but don't waste your time pointing fingers at me.
Dear Me! You mean they are actually paying public sector workers decent salaries and decent pensions! How can "freedom" flourish under those sorts of conditions?
No wait: I have an idea! The US is the most militarised nation on earth with a budget that exceeds the total amount of military spending for all the other countries in the world added together. . Even nasty little Israel with a GDP higher than New Zealand gets up to 5 billion a year in US "aid".
@CobinRain I think everyone here is opposed to foreign aid and our constant warfare.
The problem is not that public sector employees have decent salaries. The problem is that we're allowing the employees themselves to decide what "decent" is. They can demand whatever they want, and the rest of us have to pay for it, with practically no check or balance. If a corporation could just arbitrarily raise prices and the government required you to buy it, would you object?
@shamgar001 I understand you. I have also seen militant unions making ever increasingly bizarre demands. But at the end of the day, the price of freedom must be that as a society we have to carry that and that can involve strikes. The ability of workers to negotiate salaries and benefits and to strike lie at the heart of a modern civil society. Look at the countries where they cant; it isnt company youd want to be in.
My point is that the Military-industrial complex is the real welfare queen
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BTW- I'm retired military, graduated college from the teacher education program, and it was Reagan who said in 1980, "Where unions are not allowed to exist, freedom can not flourish." (paraphrase- look it up, it's on YouTube, Labor Day speech)
There shouldn't even be unions when it comes to public sector. I don't want my taxes to pay for for their benefits. Call me selfish or whatever. I don't care about your kids, your family, your lifestyle. I only care about me and my family.
"Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Thus the beneficiaries are spared the shame and danger that their acts would otherwise involve… But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them and gives it to the other persons to whom it doesn’t belong."
"See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish that law without delay - No legal plunder; this is the principle of justice, peace, order, stability, harmony and logic."
What a fascinating video. Thanks for posting. I'm just not sure about one thing. Aren't those public employees supposed to be spending those big bucks they're earning? Why is consumer spending by public employees not enough to turn the economy around? How does paying all public employees less money help stimulate the economy?
@criticalsection because money that is sent to inefficent public employees must first be taxed from the productive class, or borrowed from the capital markets. If the government taxes more from the productive class, fewer jobs are created with the jobs destroyed through said taxation.
If the money is borrowed from the capital markets, that's money that cannot be borrowed by private enterprise. Every new public sector employee is a decades long liability (future taxes even higer)
@jm04206 Is the employee of a "private enterprise" that's working on a government contract funded by public money part of the "productive class" or are they an "inefficient public employee"? How about people working in industries receiving government subsidies? How about companies receiving bailout money?
@criticalsection spending money does not fuel economic growth and prosperity. Thats a Keynesian approach to economics. If simply spending money worked, why not give every American a check for a million dollars & let them run amok at the stores? Savings creates economic growth because it naturally lowers interest rates thus fueling research, development, production, and business expansion without creating a boom-bust cycle. The Fed artificially manipulates rates causing boom-bust cycles.
@printo69 You can't have savings without income. Income comes from spending. Savings don't just happen. Employee income is a business expense. Business income is a consumer expense. Interest rates are important because it makes money cheaper to go by big ticket items like homes, cars, etc. Business don't hire unless there's an increase in demand. An increase in demand comes from spending.
@criticalsection those statements are true that businesses are successful because of consumerism. Interest rates are for more important than just buying big ticket items though. Business loans allow businesses to start, businesses to grow, research and development. This is like arguing over which came first, the chicken or the egg. You cannot have income unless you are employed by a business. Almost all businesses start because they take out business loans.
@printo69 It's not "chicken or the egg" at all. It looks like industry is refusing to take on the risk of borrowing money to grow in the hopes that demand catches up. Why would an otherwise healthy business take on more debt and increase their expenses if consumers aren't spending? If that's happening, I'm not seeing it. Right now it's government taking on the risks involved in turning around the economy. Consumers want industry to take on the risk. It should be consumers who take on the risk.
@printo69 if spending money increases demand, thus fueling business growth, then why not print up a million dollars for everybody? They will certainly spend it, thus increasing demand and fueling business growth like you say. You can call it economic stimulus lol. Based on the principles of spending money = economic growth, stimuli should work to jump start the economy, right? How come they dont work then?
LOOK AT THOSE FAT PIG AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS TOO IN PUBLIC SECTORS UNION WORKERS, POLICES, SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE OFFICES NOT THE TEACHERS AT FAULT, THEIR VENDORS, ETC... FUCK THEM ALL THEY ARE JUST BANKRUPT AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOOK AT IN CALIFORNIA CITY OF BELL CORRUPTUONS... IF PRIVATE STAND UP AND ASK TO DO PUBLIC SECTORS AUDITS THEIR ACCOUNTANT BOOKS I BET YOU WILL SEE CORRUPTION AND SPENDING WASTEFUL TAXPAYERS HARD EARN MONEY NOT LIKE THEM SET ON THEIR ASS MILKING THE HOURS...
@rufullofshitusa AND PAY FOR EVERYTHING OFF HOURS DRIVING CITY VEHICLE AT TAXPAYERS EXPENSE PAY FOR THEIR HIGH GAS PRICE AND TAKE THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS TO PLACES TO HAVE A GOOD TIME LOLOLOL STUPID PRIVATE SECTORS GETTING YOUR EDUCATION SO HARD AND MAKE LESSER THEN PUBLIC SECTORS ONLY WITH A HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL OF EDUCATION LOLLOL...
The Private Sector is better because it can respond to changes in the market by hiring and firing employees, because employees are disposable. So if demand for their crummy scam of a product/service goes down, instead of taking responsibility and doing what they can to protect the livelihoods of their workers, those wonderful entrepreneurs will shitcan anybody they can in order to protect their own wallets. Sucks to be you, you blue-collar schmuck. That's what you get for working for a living.
"The private sector adjusted change in consumer demand by firing" "The private sector has cut over 8 million jobs since the recession started" "public sector just adds and adds workers" yeah 100 000 was just mention, 1% of how many were fired. "Can't be fired"; job security? These ideas are used to condemn the public sector? Demand for the government institutions did not decrease in 2008, the number of children needing schooling did not decrease, the size of garbage routes did not decline..
When the economy was booming, and the private sector was making a killing, no one gave a SHIT that public sector employees didn't share in that boom.
Now that their party is over they want to come to us to take away what we have. It's like the "Prodigal Son" who, after enjoying all his cash, goes broke and returns to his father to support him. Absolutely sickening.
@ejdf870 Also notice how these people are ignoring the bankers who were paid billions of dollars in government money. Their argument? They had a contract to make that money! But apparently the contract teachers, etc agreed to - to have part of their paycheck withheld, invested, and returned as a pension - isn't worth upholding. The hypocrisy is outstanding.
Also ignored is the hundreds of billions paid out to other banks that didn't need to be bailed out.
@ejdf870 How dare the private sector not want to fund public sector retirement packages.If they don't who will---Raising taxes is always a good idea if your paycheck relies on the practice.
@Pomiferous The problem is NOT that the public sector's retirement packages are too good, it's that the private sector's retirement has deteriorated, thanks to years of replacing once-ubiquitous company-paid pensions with lousy 401K's.
You can thank the crass Baby Boomer generation that ran these corporations. This would never have happened if the World War II generation was still in power in corporate America.
@ejdf870 Power grabbing wears all sorts of disguises.Get more for less is always the best play.The World War Two generation led us to where we are now.After all, they did spawn the baby boomers.
@ejdf870 Not at all.I'm in favor of other people paying me as much as possible.Letting future generations deal with the bill is hardly a concern worth thought.Grab what you can while it is available is the high road toward bliss.Everything shakes out during the washing process.Iv'e even been told no is a bad word by a child raised in liberal circumstances.
@Pomiferous How are "future generations" paying for pensions that companies used to pay for and still turn a profit?
If you're actually trying to make a case that the reason we are in financial trouble is because of unions I don't even want to talk about it, especially since corporations were bailed out of their own mess to the tune of over 1 TRILLION dollars. In fact I don't EVER want to hear this kind of whining again after the corporate welfare they enjoyed.
@ejdf870 Pensions are a grand plan for sure.If you are lucky and live long enough you can draw out 20 times as much as you put in.Sweet deal huh ? Be warned though.If you start a ponzi scheme without a government liscense you will probably jailed for fraud.
@ejdf870 awesome insight! and so very true. Basically they are trying to kill the last remaining industry that usually meant if you got a job you can for the most part rely on it being there tomorrow.
@TheTruthHurtsYup .....and the minute things go south for them (after years of enjoying prosperity that we unions workers DID NOT share in) they want us to feel their pain, too. Misery loves company.
@TheTruthHurtsYup Nope, the public sector unions are doing that by refusing to suffer even a little bit as they suck the peasants dry. As if goverment fat cats are somehow *entitled* to their jobs. Your attitude is arrogant, lazy, and frankly, j6st plain disgusting.
I can't believe public union workers make decent money and have decent! How dare they! In the private sector we get paid shit, no benefits and fired for any reason, no wonder the private sector doesn't like the unions.
@TheTruthHurtsYup Crabs in a bucket, basically. They've been led to believe that working all the time and being miserably is somehow honorable, and that having reasonable benefits and leisure time will destroy our economy.
It's astonishing that the wealthy have been able to turn the poor/middle class against each other like this. Instead of complaining about someone getting millions in tax dollars, how DARE a teacher have good health insurance?!
Yeah it has nothing to do with corporations like GE who make 15 billion in profit and yet pay no taxes. In fact we give them 3 billion instead. Yep it's the teachers, firefighters, and policemen. WTF?!?
Also, if tax cuts for corporations and rich people work, then where are the jobs? You got your tax cuts, again. What excuse is next? You rich people won already. How much is enough?
@iversonmatthew The only reason why GE pays no taxes is because they made biggest contribution to Obama compaign: watch?v=QFkO0pYQ03E and in return GE lobbyed democrats to pursue their economy killing tax-subsidized clean energy agenda
@iversonmatthew It's rather too bad Bama Rama has only made things worse. You would have thought it would be easy to improve on the horrendous Bush aftemath.Tripelling the deficit just does not sound like the way out...Unless you have a slick, government sponsored gig.
@Pomiferous You are aware that government spending is more efficient, dollar for dollar, than tax cuts as a form of economic stimulus, right? It's not a matter of opinion; this has been studied - by a Republican economist! - and food stamps were #1, followed by things like unemployment.
It's not hard to understand why - the money is spent almost immediately, AND it's spent in poor communities, helping local businesses and the people who run them. Tax cuts aren't reinvested at such a high rate.
@Pomiferous Just to add - I think Obama is awful. But I think he's awful largely because his actual actions, despite his image/marketing, are very similar to those of Bush/the GOP.
Also, virtually any economist would agree that there's no way in hell the economy could have improved within the 2 years Obama has been President, even if he was Jesus. Government can have a big impact on the economy, but it can't single-handedly turn around the worst economic event since the Depression.
Nick Gillespie knows not whereof he speaks. There are no US jobs in the private sector any more. The jobs are "outsourced" so the Daddy Warbucks's running the transnational corps can get an ever growing portion of the nations wealth. If things continue on this course we're going to have an American equivalent of the old French Revolution. All Daddy's bucks ain't gonna stop that guillotine from offing his head.
Keep wanting government and big brother to take care of you. You people are pathetic! Reach down and grab a pair, goddamit! Our states are falling deeper & deeper into this mindset of "I should be taken care of when I retire". Bullshit! YOU are responsible for your retirement, not your fellow citizen. These are the principles on which our country was founded on. A Republic. Take care of yourself, govern yourself. Period. Get rid of the Dept. of Education.
It's not the gov workers it's wall street, the probably owned fed reserve and deregulation of the whole system. Americans seem to worship the same people who are fucking them in the ass.social Darwinism? Or straight up theiving criminals? they are only good at ripping off the poor to line their blood soaked pockets with our childrens future. Stop fighting Eichmann other . Kno your enemy
The company I happen to work for is the government. My job's salary and benefits are usually negotiated with my departments administrators collectively and believe it or not there is no arm twisting, threats, baseball bats, strikes, etc., that these alarmist morons would have you believe. The problem is a lack of transparency and voter apathy with local government. Voters give most attention to headline politics and care more about national and international issues and or are completely disillu
Makes sense because the Public Sector employees aren't using their extra money to create jobs as much as private sector people would be. So it's valuable money that could have boosted the economy in the right hands, being given to those who have the lowest chance of doing so.
Yeah its sad when you see our tax dollars indirectly paying for all the commercials for our new governor, Meg Whitman paid her own money and the teachers union paid for the other guys commercials which means our tax dollars paid for the advertisement of our new governor.... sad
Unions are just like government, greedy, overpaid, and way to big...Pensions are such a stupid idea, the one's who came up with it should be slapped. Its YOUR responsibilty to prepare for your retirement through envestments and savings. Its not the tax payers responsibility to pay someone who is not on the job
Wait... you mean some of our money is actually going into providing decent education so that the next generation can deal with all of the problems we've created? Wow, what a stupid idea!
WOW! You get what you pay for! Cut compensation, change the requirements for teachers too. No more Masters Degree, no more student teaching where you get to work for free for a year, no more certification exams, don't need to be certified in both general education and special education anymore, no more violence prevention and child abuse training, no more AED and CPR training, no more workshops, no more professional development training! I feel liberated already! Thank you union busters!
simple facts, the arguement of we pay taxes so we pay there wages is silly. everyone pays taxes, including the public sector employees. also school, firefighters, police officers, the post office. these are all neccesities of our life and community. they deserve to be treated better because of what they r doing for everyone. thats not to belittle the private sector because they are important to. Im just saying that understand how important each is to making everything work.
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@biggerturtle Is that your concept of good government one that's responsive to elite contributors that use their money to control the thinking of the people? Very workable, that's been the most common form of government since time began, that is until the U. S. Constitution and the concept of individual freedom came along.
@biggerturtleIf I was president, I would outlaw all unions, declare them to be terrorist groups, hammer them with both RICO and the Patriot Act, arrest and execute all their members and supporters, and seize all their assets and property
This is another example of a disgruntled "D Average" ex-student who decided to screw off during school, never did his homework...resulting in a harder life-- probably no further education--- Looser
You are just a sick misguided individual playing and dancing the corporate tune. Never stops does it..the war on the people. What's next, fire the cops, teachers and firemen? I mean wtf is going on in this country. Instead of focusing on public sector employees try reigning in the corporate fascists that have taken over the govt. You can have public jobs when you create ONE manufacturing job. Fair enough?
Does anyone else find it ridiculously ironic that the communist-based concept of labor unions actually PERPETUATE the corporatist status-quo they claim to fight against?
We have so many nanny-state laws protecting workers' safety, preventing... discrimination (well, as long as you're not a straight white male) and minimum wage, so WHY OH WHY do unions still exist? ESPECIALLY public sector unions!? Abolish them!
@Chad9976 Your ridiculous...unions gave us weekends you dumbass....they stopped child labor...another syncophant of the right wing sounds off....idiot...
It is a bleak future. Our government burns us at both ends between taxing EVERYTHING and looking for ways to tax us again on the same thing. Not to mention the unconstitutional Income tax, property tax, inheratance tax, mandating insurance. Promoting union and intitlement behaivor. War on rich, war on drugs, war on education, not to mention the actual war Afghanistan and we still have people in iraq. And now we are looking to go into Iran/pakistan/north korea? Sorry if I come off pessimistic.
@eathis12 You are only half right. The war on the rich? wtf are you talking about? The top 2% are the OWNERS of this nation..you better wake the fuck up bro...really...Water rights, food rights, the prison industry is the 3rd largest growth industry in the US...and your talking about the fucking inheritance tax? Wake up and stop drinking the right wing bullshit. Do you have 10 million in assets? Then you don't have to worry about the the inheritance tax. another right wing idiot.
@Turkeysucks2010 yet another mis informed idiot. What's next, screw poor people too? I'm so sick of right/left bullshit. It's never going to work if everyone keeps being so damned partisan. its' ridiculous.
the problem seems to be same everywhere- public sector employees (bureaucrats, politicians, teachers) manipulate laws to grant themselves priviliges, at the expense of the taxpayer. i live in chile and it's exactly what is happening.
@goPistons06 All of this is just frustration..don't you see what the powers that be are doing? People are so fucking stupid. Look at me while I blast public employees and let the corporate fascist republic roll on...fuck people, fuck their rights for water, food, safety...I mean wtf is next? no cops?
He's telling it like it is. Public employees are making more and costing us more. At one time unions were needed. Union are no longer needed. They keep standards low and need to go away.
This guy is absolutely wrong. Public employees make on average 11% LESS than private sector employees, and the average AFSCME pension is between $18,000 to $20,000. In addition, public employees don't make products, we produce services, and if our staffing levels are low, overtime increases, costing taxpayers more, and diminishes the services taxpayers depend on. He has no idea what he's talking about.
@bttalbot I am a public employee, and I compare wages vs. private sector employees. My brother is also a public sector employee and makes less than $1500 a month. Most teachers don't make more than $35,000 a year. Plus, if the public knew how much waste actually occurs in state and fed. gov't, the public would throw out every person in elected office.
I don't understand your post. You gave me one example of how a public employee makes little, said teachers make only about 35k (more than me and my girlfriend who both work in the private sector), then say something that assumes public employees (or maybe just state and federal officials) should be fired.
By the way, most of my friends family works for the federal government or collects from it.
@georgeflanigan Are you accounting for the fact that teachers work fewer hours than regular full-time emplyoees, even when time spent at home grading tests, papers, etc., is included?
@ajd1211 You're referencing 1990 numbers on the 11%. Public sector is compensated more than public for the same jobs.
If you had to meet a bottom line, you'd understand that working overtime is cheaper than getting another person.
I left a government job because I saw the waste, fraud, and abuse of taxpayer money and the apathy of government workers on meeting budgetary restrictions. It may not be much, but at least I took a step to correct this travesty. I don't expect you to,
@TWBiker Please show your source as to where you get the 11% from 1990's numbers. My source is the wages in my area, compared with what the average pay is in my contract book. You left a government job because you saw the waste, fraud, and abuse of taxpayer money. Pin a rose on your shirt. I'm actually astonished that you're not agreeing with me on this. I see the waste, fraud, and abuse as well, but instead of taking the blame for it, I want the public to see who's really to blame.
@TWBiker I'm not saying any of that is true..but do we throw in the good people with the bad? The last thing the economy needs is 200,000 more unemployed.
LMAO Produce nothing get More!!!!I'm gonna kill my guidance counsler!Can't wait till were all Gov't workers then who willl pay our salaries.I got it lets inslave Europe park our troops in Germany and sorrund Europe with our ships and force them to work and pay taxes to us some f'em..God bless the Empire States of America...
Back in my alma mater state of Nebraska, the state government is required in their constitution to balance the budget. That's right, not a cent of deficit! And while I haven't checked for a while, I know that Omaha for a time had the best employment in the country and has remained close to the top throughout the recession. I wish Oregon, where I currently live, would do the same; Portland has consistently been on the bottom ten for unemployment.
@TRZbebop675 Of course you need firefighters. We also need cops, and teachers, etc. What we don't need is 120k salaries, full pension, full health benefits, etc. Privatize the damn jobs and save us tax payers billions on the spot. All these pensions should also get renegotiated. I mean look in NYC. Firefighters take their last year to rack up a 250k salary so that their pension is based on that. Why can't we, tax payers, play the same game and cut their pension by a third?
Why do we need so many cops and firemen? Firemen spend most of their time cooking spaghetti. They're rarely needed for fires and, hell, I can put out a friggin' fire.
And as far as cops go, they have a much harder job than the firemen (most people aren't shotting at firemen) and they make less money, too.
That said, if we declared open season on every gang banger, there would be no gangs in about a month, the crime rate would plummet and we could cut the number of cops by 70%.
Interesting comments, but the Public Sector rules, and there is nothing....absolutely nothing....that is going to change that fact. So all this rant is but a waste of time and breath.
@Marqus33308 It will change. Believe me. The funny thing is that us TAX PAYERS pay your damn salaries and then we have to eat up this freaking arrogance. When the blood line runs out, believe me, public unions will be the first head to be cut. Unions started looking out for the poor and middle class and has turned into a leach that now destroys us. My, privatize all government jobs. We would get a better bang for our buck.
Like any parasite, they feed upon the host until it dies, at which point, they look for a new host to suck the life out of, this IS the public sector and their unions. Only question is, once you guys bleed the companies that actually turn the profit that pay for your juicy benefits dry, who will you go after next?
Unions are TAX jobs given to HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUTS. The OBAMA stimulus package was just a big UNION KICKBACK because states are all bankrupt & cannot payout their UNION salaries, pensions, & exorbitant benefits. STATES are bankrupt because of HIGH TAXES - that is why we have no real job growth, and the recession is getting worse. GREECE & SPAIN is bankrupt due to these social welfare UNIONs, now California & the rest of the USA is next. UNION tax jobs are not the kind of job growth we need!
Dont forget that these public employees will also receive a healthy pension with benefits too.
How will an economy be able to sustain itself when the biggest employer is government, federal, state, local. By raising taxes and passing legislation to curb business expansion because it will encroach on government territory.
Dont steal, the government doesnt like competition.
@ThunderAppeal Public employees aren't some scary demon out to destroy America. I've worked for private companies and now work for a state university, and I'm pretty sure I'm the same person doing the same work.
Oh, and I get paid less. The "public employees get paid more!" talking point is hilarious; on a job by job basis, skilled public jobs generally pay less than their private counterparts. Unskilled jobs pay better and give benefits.
I agree some Unions are bad -but at times a necessary evil to battle greedy corporations.If corporations could police themselves an treat their employees fairly, there would nt be a need for unions.I know a particular company whose profits over the past 4yrs has increased each year but still cut the employees pay by 10% and lower contributions to 401k. Please do not bring up the recession, for it has not impacted this company. I repeat they have profit 4 yrs. - increasing each yr.
@capitalismforever I can tell you with first-hand experience that UPS fills as many positions with temps indefinitely. Yes, they pay benefits, but to few as possible. Ethical? your call. And my main point is to call out the attempts to directly compare FedEdx UPS to USPS. Sorry, things aren't that simple. They provide different services on a different infrastructure. I admire the ideology of "whatever the govnt can do, private can do better," but reality is much more complex.
@ortinator I'm not saying downsizing isn't necessary. Demand is reduced. Not long ago there was no internet and I was sending letters left and right. Now, it takes forever to go through a book of stamps. Demand/volume has gone way down and they can't raise prices faster than inflation. That's my point - USPS provides the necessary services whereas private cooperation and pick and choose . I can still send a postcard anywhere in the US for under a buck. Ask UPS or FedEx what they'll charge.
Haha - of course FedEx and UPS are more efficient. They can pick and choose which markets they cater too. They choose not to come and pick up residential mail, they choose not to deliver to remote/rural areas. Why? Because it's expensive and inefficient. That's the point with USPS and other government agencies - they do what NEEDS to be done, not what's most "efficient." UPS also hires mostly temp workers - why? They don't want to pay benefits. It's a good (unethical) way to trim spending.
@MrSkizero No, FedEx and UPS DO NOT choose whether they can directly pick up residential mail or not. The reason why they don't is because the U.S. Government has a monopoly and won't allow them to. Both FedEx and UPS pay benefits. Furthermore, I strongly doubt you've ever seen the financial statements of USPS in order to make an informed decision because nearly everything you've said is incorrect. They are freely available at their website. I suggest you take an hour or two and scan them.
@capitalismforever I suggest you park your brown truck, and realize if the unions are so solvent then quit dipping into other sources like the taxpayers wallets to fund your early retirement! Get real! The unions and the govt are equally retarted!
@ouluvme2 I have no idea what you are saying because it isn't relevant nor applicable to me. I am a self-employed individual and have been for nearly 20 years. I have neither been a union member nor do I or have I ever supported a unionized work force. Therefore, you are engaging in what is commonly referred to as "talking out of your ass". Good day sir.
@capitalismforever Then in part I stand corrected, but when someone makes a favorable comment, (YOU), about the unions in light of this financial crash, then my naive deductive reasoning had you in a UPS truck, if not, then great. We're half way there, now just realize the incompetence and the tolls that union officials are exploiting on their own at the cost of the Non Union taxpayer! Good day it will be!
@ouluvme2 My original comments, in which you are referring to, had absolutely nothing to do with a union. Re-read my statements. My references to UPS and FedEx had nothing to do with whether they were unionized entities or not.
@capitalismforever What? Not positve? And now your deflecting our attention away from the issue of this freaking video, unions and the like, and how they are ruining our economy? Check out Pension Buyouts...! I can't keep up with your liberal figure eights man! But nevermind, you do have a nice name!
@ouluvme2 Again, your writings are only taking up space and offering very little in substance. You share a very common disjointedness as the average thinker: a presumptuous state of being. There isn't a liberal bone in my body. I've been a Libertarian for as long as I've been in business. I make the average Republican look like a Democrat. Now, go away from me. You have the mind of a child and I don't find you interesting in the least.
@capitalismforever Lieberman is a Libertarian too! But he's supporting a bill with Kerry right now to tax you and me for on the environment! So, you might be as fooled as Lieberman! I don't know. I only go off the retarded words you said originally! You're the child that hasn't answered any of my questions but directed me to somewhere else! Sounds liberal to me! I'm the best thing you've got! A friend who cares about bringing you into the light! You will be forgiven!
@ouluvme2 Nothing about Lieberman is from a Libertarian perspective. It's quite clear to me that you don't even know what a Libertarian is. Since you're having a difficult time relating to someone of a higher intellect than you I'll come down to your level: fuck off - you're a presumptuous moron. Good night.
@ouluvme2 Furthermore, if you're so "anti-union", which I couldn't care less if you are or not, you should recognize that the largest "union" that has ever existed is the U.S. Government. Who in the hell do you think it is that sets the minimum wage standard? That, my friend, is no different than what the teamsters or any other union does. :)
@capitalismforever read again, my jumpy friend! lol. I said, GOVT and the UNIONS are equally retarded! The Unions and the Govts are in bed together! So, a comment about the minimum wage? Where do we go with that? Nowhere! The government is way too big in our lives! But, perhaps you might need them, and I won't elaborate on that one! night night!
@ouluvme2 Looks like you're more interested in having an online fight. My suggestion, go fight with someone who knows you and who actually gives two shits concerning what comes out of your mouth. You exhibit an irrational incipience that is superfluous to me.
@capitalismforever LOL! So, question mister Capitalismforever... You support unions or not? If yes. You'll show your confused state! If not, then you will show your confused state - UPS is a union, if you didn't know.
@capitalismforever And I got all the time in the world, bc I care for you! I won't you to get it my friend! Don't be swayed by the Haffas with a cigar! Stand up! Be strong and fight for your tax dollars! You do pay tax, don't you?
America, take control! Take control of your country! This is the instrument of your liberation.
walmartpimp2 2 weeks ago
I don't get the video? Cut the tax paid to the public sector and give it to the private sector! Wouldn't it be better to cut and pay off some depts.
Blunder1248 3 weeks ago
@Blunder1248 But if the government pays them, they are at least to some degree, a public sector employee.
007chucknorris007 2 weeks ago
@Blunder1248 He never said to give it to the private sector either.
007chucknorris007 2 weeks ago
Private sector wages have not kept up! In 1982 we were wiring an Airport Expansion at Edmonton International Airport. IBEW wage at the time was around $15/hr. The DOT, Department Of Transport was paying around $10/hr, the going rate at the time for a Government Electrician. I know, because I inquired about a job there! Drive from Edmonton to Nisku 5 days a week for $10/hr? Not Likely! Seems the shoe is on the other foot now!
The DOT ended up privatizing the Airports anyway!
jackpontiac52 1 month ago
The truth hurts. It always does.
rubbersole79 1 month ago
@williejenkins666 No you are a fucking moron. Sadly North Korea is run by the most repressive government on earth. Millions have died of starvation over the last 20 years and most haven't even got the very basics to live on. You know this is a fact. So go fuck yourself.
star50ify 2 months ago
You can say the same about profits, it is time the evil jew learned to live on 10% return and no more 80% returns on invest via 3rd world scab labor you evil dirty fuck.
MrAppleseed88 2 months ago
No. It is business who have forced US workers to work for less then a living wage and compete vs 3rd world scab labor which has killed the USA.
you fricken idiots. All we have to do is make the evil jews pay workers more money and all is fine.
MrAppleseed88 2 months ago
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How to Bust unions and the middle class voting power. Step 1 Buy off politician so you can pass a lopsided trade deal and clear the way for off shoring American jobs
Step 2 Outsource all the manufacturing jobs you can, this will dissolve unions and dry up the tax base (By the way blame the unions for the job loss)
FluxCapacitor2008 2 months ago
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Step 3 with the loss tax base now they can go after the public sector unions (by the way unions are why the states are broke)
Step 4 now you can hire and fire anyone you want and pay people as low a wage as you can.
Welcome to the new America
FluxCapacitor2008 2 months ago
Fuck you right wing scum. If you lot had your way we would have an illiterate population like North Korea. The reality is nearly $1 trillion dollars is spent on defence each year. Who benefits most?. Corporate America. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining, morons.
star50ify 2 months ago
@star50ify North Korea has a 99% literacy rate, dumbass.
Jesus Christ you are a fucking moron.
williejenkins666 2 months ago
here's a hint to you pro public service types-you depend on the private sector for
179178 3 months ago
Speaking honestly like this can get you killed,
pretorious700 4 months ago
Hey Jim you ever going to get that other side ever painted ...Jim says Nope! i say kool heres your full pay and a bonus...:P with a credit card ...
nickiz1 4 months ago
So what do you consider an extravagant public sector salary? Top teacher salary with masters degree and 30+ years of experiene is about $65,000.
calband 4 months ago
Unions were good back in the 30's for our "workers rights" but now they have too much power over politicians.........
davidsquall351 4 months ago 2
Kochheads will believe whatever their billionaire taskmasters tell them to believe. This is nothing more than a onesided tirade against the middle class. The same clowns badmouthing public school teachers would have been the same ones accusing union members of being Bolsheviks a hundreds years ago. Cops can't have unions? That's funny, ours does.
harvey1954 5 months ago
@harvey1954 If I'm to understand you correctly, the middle class and public sector unions are one and the same? If a person is against the NEA they must be against teachers themselves and furthemore education itself? Why don't you bother disputing the arguments made in this "tirade" instead of making embarrassingly simplistic assumptions and pretending that the only people who disagree with you are being paid by or controlled by the Koch brothers or some other corporate entity.
darlinglittlemammy 2 months ago
minimum wage should be eliminated. wages should be determined by market forces
lvll138inrs 5 months ago
LOL this is a joke. Ok private sector employees often get benefits from Medicaid which is paid by the taxpayer as well.
dinamo4889 6 months ago
Ridiculous. You want cuts in the public sector, fine, but how dare you attack teachers? I've taken a pay cut every year for the last 3 years. As a 5th year teacher, I barely break 30K, my health benefits have decreased tremendously, my class size has increased to almost 40, my school lost 4 positions JUST THIS YEAR and you're telling me that I'M the reason the recession is lasting so long? No. You want to attack public sector workers, fine, but don't waste your time pointing fingers at me.
klfspears 6 months ago
Dear Me! You mean they are actually paying public sector workers decent salaries and decent pensions! How can "freedom" flourish under those sorts of conditions?
No wait: I have an idea! The US is the most militarised nation on earth with a budget that exceeds the total amount of military spending for all the other countries in the world added together. . Even nasty little Israel with a GDP higher than New Zealand gets up to 5 billion a year in US "aid".
US: a rich country badly run
CobinRain 6 months ago
@CobinRain I think everyone here is opposed to foreign aid and our constant warfare.
The problem is not that public sector employees have decent salaries. The problem is that we're allowing the employees themselves to decide what "decent" is. They can demand whatever they want, and the rest of us have to pay for it, with practically no check or balance. If a corporation could just arbitrarily raise prices and the government required you to buy it, would you object?
shamgar001 6 months ago
@shamgar001 I understand you. I have also seen militant unions making ever increasingly bizarre demands. But at the end of the day, the price of freedom must be that as a society we have to carry that and that can involve strikes. The ability of workers to negotiate salaries and benefits and to strike lie at the heart of a modern civil society. Look at the countries where they cant; it isnt company youd want to be in.
My point is that the Military-industrial complex is the real welfare queen
CobinRain 6 months ago
Another epic fail.....
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theleemeister 6 months ago
Cops have unions, the one in Wisc. was exempt because it supported the Republicans. European militaries have unions.
Bobsyouruncle33 6 months ago
BTW- I'm retired military, graduated college from the teacher education program, and it was Reagan who said in 1980, "Where unions are not allowed to exist, freedom can not flourish." (paraphrase- look it up, it's on YouTube, Labor Day speech)
Bobsyouruncle33 6 months ago
I LOVE MY COUNTRY
IT IS THE PUBLIC SECTORS union workers GOVERNMENTS
I AM AFRAID OF!
CITY OF BELL IS PERFECTLY EXAMPLE case 101 LOL…
Wasteful Spending + Frauds = Corruption!
rufullofshitusa 7 months ago
public workers are dependent on the taxes paid for through the private sector. they cant survive in the real world so they work for the government.
lvll138inrs 7 months ago
Yeah, lets stop giving benefits to those parasites that make their living off our taxes, like teachers, cops, and the military.
Bobsyouruncle33 7 months ago
@Bobsyouruncle33 cops and military cannot have unions
realhxq 6 months ago
There shouldn't even be unions when it comes to public sector. I don't want my taxes to pay for for their benefits. Call me selfish or whatever. I don't care about your kids, your family, your lifestyle. I only care about me and my family.
HayateAzekura 7 months ago
"Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Thus the beneficiaries are spared the shame and danger that their acts would otherwise involve… But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them and gives it to the other persons to whom it doesn’t belong."
cowbot2 7 months ago
"See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish that law without delay - No legal plunder; this is the principle of justice, peace, order, stability, harmony and logic."
— Frédéric Bastiat (The Law)
cowbot2 7 months ago
reason.tv=Fox.....lies and nonsense
rconnoly 7 months ago
@rconnoly Care to elaborate or provide a modicum of evidence? No? Oh, then shut the fuck up. :)
HamsterFueledRocket 7 months ago
new public unions vs taxpayer documentary:
Public Unions Vs. The Unorganized Taxpayers: There Will Be Blood
watch?v=5CxP5clZf_g
nottinmatterz2day 8 months ago
What a fascinating video. Thanks for posting. I'm just not sure about one thing. Aren't those public employees supposed to be spending those big bucks they're earning? Why is consumer spending by public employees not enough to turn the economy around? How does paying all public employees less money help stimulate the economy?
criticalsection 8 months ago
@criticalsection because money that is sent to inefficent public employees must first be taxed from the productive class, or borrowed from the capital markets. If the government taxes more from the productive class, fewer jobs are created with the jobs destroyed through said taxation.
If the money is borrowed from the capital markets, that's money that cannot be borrowed by private enterprise. Every new public sector employee is a decades long liability (future taxes even higer)
jm04206 8 months ago
@jm04206 Is the employee of a "private enterprise" that's working on a government contract funded by public money part of the "productive class" or are they an "inefficient public employee"? How about people working in industries receiving government subsidies? How about companies receiving bailout money?
criticalsection 7 months ago
@criticalsection they arent really from the private sector if they have a contract with the state.
unclesamfatg 7 months ago
@criticalsection spending money does not fuel economic growth and prosperity. Thats a Keynesian approach to economics. If simply spending money worked, why not give every American a check for a million dollars & let them run amok at the stores? Savings creates economic growth because it naturally lowers interest rates thus fueling research, development, production, and business expansion without creating a boom-bust cycle. The Fed artificially manipulates rates causing boom-bust cycles.
printo69 7 months ago
@printo69 You can't have savings without income. Income comes from spending. Savings don't just happen. Employee income is a business expense. Business income is a consumer expense. Interest rates are important because it makes money cheaper to go by big ticket items like homes, cars, etc. Business don't hire unless there's an increase in demand. An increase in demand comes from spending.
criticalsection 7 months ago
@criticalsection those statements are true that businesses are successful because of consumerism. Interest rates are for more important than just buying big ticket items though. Business loans allow businesses to start, businesses to grow, research and development. This is like arguing over which came first, the chicken or the egg. You cannot have income unless you are employed by a business. Almost all businesses start because they take out business loans.
printo69 7 months ago
@printo69 It's not "chicken or the egg" at all. It looks like industry is refusing to take on the risk of borrowing money to grow in the hopes that demand catches up. Why would an otherwise healthy business take on more debt and increase their expenses if consumers aren't spending? If that's happening, I'm not seeing it. Right now it's government taking on the risks involved in turning around the economy. Consumers want industry to take on the risk. It should be consumers who take on the risk.
criticalsection 7 months ago
@printo69 if spending money increases demand, thus fueling business growth, then why not print up a million dollars for everybody? They will certainly spend it, thus increasing demand and fueling business growth like you say. You can call it economic stimulus lol. Based on the principles of spending money = economic growth, stimuli should work to jump start the economy, right? How come they dont work then?
printo69 7 months ago
government unions need to be abolished.
We give them a state-sanctioned monopoly, and they turn around and try to 'collectively bargain?' They are a bunch of tax collecting, lazy cheats.
ilikemitchhedberg 9 months ago
LOOK AT THOSE FAT PIG AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS TOO IN PUBLIC SECTORS UNION WORKERS, POLICES, SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE OFFICES NOT THE TEACHERS AT FAULT, THEIR VENDORS, ETC... FUCK THEM ALL THEY ARE JUST BANKRUPT AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOOK AT IN CALIFORNIA CITY OF BELL CORRUPTUONS... IF PRIVATE STAND UP AND ASK TO DO PUBLIC SECTORS AUDITS THEIR ACCOUNTANT BOOKS I BET YOU WILL SEE CORRUPTION AND SPENDING WASTEFUL TAXPAYERS HARD EARN MONEY NOT LIKE THEM SET ON THEIR ASS MILKING THE HOURS...
rufullofshitusa 9 months ago
@rufullofshitusa AND PAY FOR EVERYTHING OFF HOURS DRIVING CITY VEHICLE AT TAXPAYERS EXPENSE PAY FOR THEIR HIGH GAS PRICE AND TAKE THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS TO PLACES TO HAVE A GOOD TIME LOLOLOL STUPID PRIVATE SECTORS GETTING YOUR EDUCATION SO HARD AND MAKE LESSER THEN PUBLIC SECTORS ONLY WITH A HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL OF EDUCATION LOLLOL...
rufullofshitusa 9 months ago
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rufullofshitusa 9 months ago
2/3's going to education. So they can control our children even more.
KenMacMillan 9 months ago
Obama wants everyone to become public servants. Emphasis on servants.
cybersuh1 9 months ago
The Private Sector is better because it can respond to changes in the market by hiring and firing employees, because employees are disposable. So if demand for their crummy scam of a product/service goes down, instead of taking responsibility and doing what they can to protect the livelihoods of their workers, those wonderful entrepreneurs will shitcan anybody they can in order to protect their own wallets. Sucks to be you, you blue-collar schmuck. That's what you get for working for a living.
DanvstheWorld 9 months ago
"The private sector adjusted change in consumer demand by firing" "The private sector has cut over 8 million jobs since the recession started" "public sector just adds and adds workers" yeah 100 000 was just mention, 1% of how many were fired. "Can't be fired"; job security? These ideas are used to condemn the public sector? Demand for the government institutions did not decrease in 2008, the number of children needing schooling did not decrease, the size of garbage routes did not decline..
natechomnicorp 9 months ago
@natechomnicorp So doing more with less doesn't apply? Is it somehow necessary for already exorbitant public salaries and pensions to go UP???
Christobanistan 9 months ago
3? i can easily name 30 anytime anywhere
chwuwd 9 months ago
Human hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.
When the economy was booming, and the private sector was making a killing, no one gave a SHIT that public sector employees didn't share in that boom.
Now that their party is over they want to come to us to take away what we have. It's like the "Prodigal Son" who, after enjoying all his cash, goes broke and returns to his father to support him. Absolutely sickening.
ejdf870 9 months ago
@ejdf870 Also notice how these people are ignoring the bankers who were paid billions of dollars in government money. Their argument? They had a contract to make that money! But apparently the contract teachers, etc agreed to - to have part of their paycheck withheld, invested, and returned as a pension - isn't worth upholding. The hypocrisy is outstanding.
Also ignored is the hundreds of billions paid out to other banks that didn't need to be bailed out.
BenkaiDebussy 9 months ago
@BenkaiDebussy Finally, someone who agrees with me! Usually I get disgruntled private-sector crybabies who want to engage in self-serving arguments.
ejdf870 9 months ago
@ejdf870 How dare the private sector not want to fund public sector retirement packages.If they don't who will---Raising taxes is always a good idea if your paycheck relies on the practice.
Pomiferous 9 months ago
@Pomiferous The problem is NOT that the public sector's retirement packages are too good, it's that the private sector's retirement has deteriorated, thanks to years of replacing once-ubiquitous company-paid pensions with lousy 401K's.
You can thank the crass Baby Boomer generation that ran these corporations. This would never have happened if the World War II generation was still in power in corporate America.
ejdf870 9 months ago
@ejdf870 Power grabbing wears all sorts of disguises.Get more for less is always the best play.The World War Two generation led us to where we are now.After all, they did spawn the baby boomers.
Pomiferous 9 months ago
@Pomiferous So...........you're not in favor of your company paying for your pension and benefits? That was a bad thing?
ejdf870 9 months ago
@ejdf870 Not at all.I'm in favor of other people paying me as much as possible.Letting future generations deal with the bill is hardly a concern worth thought.Grab what you can while it is available is the high road toward bliss.Everything shakes out during the washing process.Iv'e even been told no is a bad word by a child raised in liberal circumstances.
Pomiferous 9 months ago
@Pomiferous How are "future generations" paying for pensions that companies used to pay for and still turn a profit?
If you're actually trying to make a case that the reason we are in financial trouble is because of unions I don't even want to talk about it, especially since corporations were bailed out of their own mess to the tune of over 1 TRILLION dollars. In fact I don't EVER want to hear this kind of whining again after the corporate welfare they enjoyed.
ejdf870 9 months ago
@ejdf870 Pensions are a grand plan for sure.If you are lucky and live long enough you can draw out 20 times as much as you put in.Sweet deal huh ? Be warned though.If you start a ponzi scheme without a government liscense you will probably jailed for fraud.
Pomiferous 9 months ago
@ejdf870 awesome insight! and so very true. Basically they are trying to kill the last remaining industry that usually meant if you got a job you can for the most part rely on it being there tomorrow.
TheTruthHurtsYup 9 months ago
@TheTruthHurtsYup .....and the minute things go south for them (after years of enjoying prosperity that we unions workers DID NOT share in) they want us to feel their pain, too. Misery loves company.
ejdf870 9 months ago 2
@TheTruthHurtsYup Nope, the public sector unions are doing that by refusing to suffer even a little bit as they suck the peasants dry. As if goverment fat cats are somehow *entitled* to their jobs. Your attitude is arrogant, lazy, and frankly, j6st plain disgusting.
Christobanistan 9 months ago
I can't believe public union workers make decent money and have decent! How dare they! In the private sector we get paid shit, no benefits and fired for any reason, no wonder the private sector doesn't like the unions.
TheTruthHurtsYup 10 months ago
@TheTruthHurtsYup Crabs in a bucket, basically. They've been led to believe that working all the time and being miserably is somehow honorable, and that having reasonable benefits and leisure time will destroy our economy.
It's astonishing that the wealthy have been able to turn the poor/middle class against each other like this. Instead of complaining about someone getting millions in tax dollars, how DARE a teacher have good health insurance?!
BenkaiDebussy 9 months ago
Yeah it has nothing to do with corporations like GE who make 15 billion in profit and yet pay no taxes. In fact we give them 3 billion instead. Yep it's the teachers, firefighters, and policemen. WTF?!?
Also, if tax cuts for corporations and rich people work, then where are the jobs? You got your tax cuts, again. What excuse is next? You rich people won already. How much is enough?
iversonmatthew 10 months ago
@iversonmatthew The only reason why GE pays no taxes is because they made biggest contribution to Obama compaign: watch?v=QFkO0pYQ03E and in return GE lobbyed democrats to pursue their economy killing tax-subsidized clean energy agenda
mowgly3000 10 months ago
@mowgly3000 Trust me I am no friend of the Dems either, but lets face it Republicans have fucked things up long before Obama got in power.
iversonmatthew 10 months ago
@iversonmatthew It's rather too bad Bama Rama has only made things worse. You would have thought it would be easy to improve on the horrendous Bush aftemath.Tripelling the deficit just does not sound like the way out...Unless you have a slick, government sponsored gig.
Pomiferous 10 months ago
@Pomiferous You are aware that government spending is more efficient, dollar for dollar, than tax cuts as a form of economic stimulus, right? It's not a matter of opinion; this has been studied - by a Republican economist! - and food stamps were #1, followed by things like unemployment.
It's not hard to understand why - the money is spent almost immediately, AND it's spent in poor communities, helping local businesses and the people who run them. Tax cuts aren't reinvested at such a high rate.
BenkaiDebussy 9 months ago
@BenkaiDebussy I have no doubt government spending stimulates the economy.It's picking up the tab where things get sticky.
Pomiferous 9 months ago
@Pomiferous Just to add - I think Obama is awful. But I think he's awful largely because his actual actions, despite his image/marketing, are very similar to those of Bush/the GOP.
Also, virtually any economist would agree that there's no way in hell the economy could have improved within the 2 years Obama has been President, even if he was Jesus. Government can have a big impact on the economy, but it can't single-handedly turn around the worst economic event since the Depression.
BenkaiDebussy 9 months ago
i respectfully disagree....i think some of your facts are off.
akeakami2 10 months ago
Nick Gillespie knows not whereof he speaks. There are no US jobs in the private sector any more. The jobs are "outsourced" so the Daddy Warbucks's running the transnational corps can get an ever growing portion of the nations wealth. If things continue on this course we're going to have an American equivalent of the old French Revolution. All Daddy's bucks ain't gonna stop that guillotine from offing his head.
realveive 10 months ago
I can come up with many more reasons than three why teabaggers are working hard for the ruination of our nation.
residentfan2 10 months ago
Only someone with a diseased brain would blame workers for the economy. Really.
residentfan2 10 months ago
Keep wanting government and big brother to take care of you. You people are pathetic! Reach down and grab a pair, goddamit! Our states are falling deeper & deeper into this mindset of "I should be taken care of when I retire". Bullshit! YOU are responsible for your retirement, not your fellow citizen. These are the principles on which our country was founded on. A Republic. Take care of yourself, govern yourself. Period. Get rid of the Dept. of Education.
cockyhemi 10 months ago
It's not the gov workers it's wall street, the probably owned fed reserve and deregulation of the whole system. Americans seem to worship the same people who are fucking them in the ass.social Darwinism? Or straight up theiving criminals? they are only good at ripping off the poor to line their blood soaked pockets with our childrens future. Stop fighting Eichmann other . Kno your enemy
Sleepingplanet1 10 months ago
The company I happen to work for is the government. My job's salary and benefits are usually negotiated with my departments administrators collectively and believe it or not there is no arm twisting, threats, baseball bats, strikes, etc., that these alarmist morons would have you believe. The problem is a lack of transparency and voter apathy with local government. Voters give most attention to headline politics and care more about national and international issues and or are completely disillu
jurotech 10 months ago
Makes sense because the Public Sector employees aren't using their extra money to create jobs as much as private sector people would be. So it's valuable money that could have boosted the economy in the right hands, being given to those who have the lowest chance of doing so.
avidalocan 10 months ago
Yeah its sad when you see our tax dollars indirectly paying for all the commercials for our new governor, Meg Whitman paid her own money and the teachers union paid for the other guys commercials which means our tax dollars paid for the advertisement of our new governor.... sad
wh1teflower 10 months ago
I think maybe the public sector union folks should ask the tooth fairy to help keep afloat their dreamland pensions.
EconCat88 10 months ago
Well stated !!
Pomiferous 10 months ago
Why do CNN and ABC, CBS all ignore these facts???? I left out NBC!
republicansrule 11 months ago
Unions are just like government, greedy, overpaid, and way to big...Pensions are such a stupid idea, the one's who came up with it should be slapped. Its YOUR responsibilty to prepare for your retirement through envestments and savings. Its not the tax payers responsibility to pay someone who is not on the job
wordwarrior42 11 months ago
Wait... you mean some of our money is actually going into providing decent education so that the next generation can deal with all of the problems we've created? Wow, what a stupid idea!
acousticsninja 11 months ago
youtube is the creation from a private company. a public company will never be able to create things like google or facebook because they suck ass.
lvll138inrs 11 months ago
WOW! You get what you pay for! Cut compensation, change the requirements for teachers too. No more Masters Degree, no more student teaching where you get to work for free for a year, no more certification exams, don't need to be certified in both general education and special education anymore, no more violence prevention and child abuse training, no more AED and CPR training, no more workshops, no more professional development training! I feel liberated already! Thank you union busters!
fleibow 11 months ago
@fleibow Try homeschooling your brats.
DarrelfromZeeland 11 months ago
@DarrelfromZeeland They would get a much better education....Our school system is total crap...
wordwarrior42 11 months ago
@wordwarrior42 That's what happens when you put libturds in charge of anything. It goes to shit. They can't even run a household or a lemonade stand.
DarrelfromZeeland 11 months ago
simple facts, the arguement of we pay taxes so we pay there wages is silly. everyone pays taxes, including the public sector employees. also school, firefighters, police officers, the post office. these are all neccesities of our life and community. they deserve to be treated better because of what they r doing for everyone. thats not to belittle the private sector because they are important to. Im just saying that understand how important each is to making everything work.
klissattack 11 months ago
Koch annual revenue is $98 BILLION!
22popuser 11 months ago
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22popuser 11 months ago
@22popuser GOOD I HOPE THEY MAKE MORE AND GIVE MORE TO WALKER TO BUST ALL THE UNION SCUM HAHAHAHA
biggerturtle 11 months ago
@biggerturtle Is that your concept of good government one that's responsive to elite contributors that use their money to control the thinking of the people? Very workable, that's been the most common form of government since time began, that is until the U. S. Constitution and the concept of individual freedom came along.
22popuser 11 months ago
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@biggerturtleIf I was president, I would outlaw all unions, declare them to be terrorist groups, hammer them with both RICO and the Patriot Act, arrest and execute all their members and supporters, and seize all their assets and property
DarrelfromZeeland 11 months ago
That's a bad hairpiece.. or dye job...
InteriorCommando 11 months ago
This is another example of a disgruntled "D Average" ex-student who decided to screw off during school, never did his homework...resulting in a harder life-- probably no further education--- Looser
lightningrod791 11 months ago
The truth hurts ... the public sector is Bloated with no way for the average taxpayer to limit their taxes. Is this fair?
ben5017 11 months ago
It's time to put the public sector unions in the guillotine.
EconCat88 11 months ago
You are just a sick misguided individual playing and dancing the corporate tune. Never stops does it..the war on the people. What's next, fire the cops, teachers and firemen? I mean wtf is going on in this country. Instead of focusing on public sector employees try reigning in the corporate fascists that have taken over the govt. You can have public jobs when you create ONE manufacturing job. Fair enough?
davehutchinson67 11 months ago
Does anyone else find it ridiculously ironic that the communist-based concept of labor unions actually PERPETUATE the corporatist status-quo they claim to fight against?
We have so many nanny-state laws protecting workers' safety, preventing... discrimination (well, as long as you're not a straight white male) and minimum wage, so WHY OH WHY do unions still exist? ESPECIALLY public sector unions!? Abolish them!
Chad9976 1 year ago
@Chad9976 Your ridiculous...unions gave us weekends you dumbass....they stopped child labor...another syncophant of the right wing sounds off....idiot...
davehutchinson67 11 months ago
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ReddingAnonymous 1 year ago
It is a bleak future. Our government burns us at both ends between taxing EVERYTHING and looking for ways to tax us again on the same thing. Not to mention the unconstitutional Income tax, property tax, inheratance tax, mandating insurance. Promoting union and intitlement behaivor. War on rich, war on drugs, war on education, not to mention the actual war Afghanistan and we still have people in iraq. And now we are looking to go into Iran/pakistan/north korea? Sorry if I come off pessimistic.
eathis12 1 year ago
@eathis12 You are only half right. The war on the rich? wtf are you talking about? The top 2% are the OWNERS of this nation..you better wake the fuck up bro...really...Water rights, food rights, the prison industry is the 3rd largest growth industry in the US...and your talking about the fucking inheritance tax? Wake up and stop drinking the right wing bullshit. Do you have 10 million in assets? Then you don't have to worry about the the inheritance tax. another right wing idiot.
davehutchinson67 11 months ago
They want to add teachers to educate us to be good little marxist, muslim, mexicans. MMM.......AMMMerica
Turkeysucks2010 1 year ago
@Turkeysucks2010 yet another mis informed idiot. What's next, screw poor people too? I'm so sick of right/left bullshit. It's never going to work if everyone keeps being so damned partisan. its' ridiculous.
davehutchinson67 11 months ago
the problem seems to be same everywhere- public sector employees (bureaucrats, politicians, teachers) manipulate laws to grant themselves priviliges, at the expense of the taxpayer. i live in chile and it's exactly what is happening.
goPistons06 1 year ago
@goPistons06 All of this is just frustration..don't you see what the powers that be are doing? People are so fucking stupid. Look at me while I blast public employees and let the corporate fascist republic roll on...fuck people, fuck their rights for water, food, safety...I mean wtf is next? no cops?
davehutchinson67 11 months ago
Privatize Unions.
That's what we did in Canada and they are making kazillions.
YoungSpotUBrock 1 year ago
He's telling it like it is. Public employees are making more and costing us more. At one time unions were needed. Union are no longer needed. They keep standards low and need to go away.
momcat2010 1 year ago
This guy is absolutely wrong. Public employees make on average 11% LESS than private sector employees, and the average AFSCME pension is between $18,000 to $20,000. In addition, public employees don't make products, we produce services, and if our staffing levels are low, overtime increases, costing taxpayers more, and diminishes the services taxpayers depend on. He has no idea what he's talking about.
ajd1211 1 year ago
@ajd1211
Source?
bttalbot 1 year ago
@bttalbot I am a public employee, and I compare wages vs. private sector employees. My brother is also a public sector employee and makes less than $1500 a month. Most teachers don't make more than $35,000 a year. Plus, if the public knew how much waste actually occurs in state and fed. gov't, the public would throw out every person in elected office.
georgeflanigan 1 year ago
@georgeflanigan
I don't understand your post. You gave me one example of how a public employee makes little, said teachers make only about 35k (more than me and my girlfriend who both work in the private sector), then say something that assumes public employees (or maybe just state and federal officials) should be fired.
By the way, most of my friends family works for the federal government or collects from it.
bttalbot 1 year ago
@georgeflanigan Are you accounting for the fact that teachers work fewer hours than regular full-time emplyoees, even when time spent at home grading tests, papers, etc., is included?
nrkgalt 1 year ago
@ajd1211 You're referencing 1990 numbers on the 11%. Public sector is compensated more than public for the same jobs.
If you had to meet a bottom line, you'd understand that working overtime is cheaper than getting another person.
I left a government job because I saw the waste, fraud, and abuse of taxpayer money and the apathy of government workers on meeting budgetary restrictions. It may not be much, but at least I took a step to correct this travesty. I don't expect you to,
TWBiker 1 year ago
@TWBiker Please show your source as to where you get the 11% from 1990's numbers. My source is the wages in my area, compared with what the average pay is in my contract book. You left a government job because you saw the waste, fraud, and abuse of taxpayer money. Pin a rose on your shirt. I'm actually astonished that you're not agreeing with me on this. I see the waste, fraud, and abuse as well, but instead of taking the blame for it, I want the public to see who's really to blame.
ajd1211 1 year ago
@TWBiker I'm not saying any of that is true..but do we throw in the good people with the bad? The last thing the economy needs is 200,000 more unemployed.
davehutchinson67 11 months ago
LMAO Produce nothing get More!!!!I'm gonna kill my guidance counsler!Can't wait till were all Gov't workers then who willl pay our salaries.I got it lets inslave Europe park our troops in Germany and sorrund Europe with our ships and force them to work and pay taxes to us some f'em..God bless the Empire States of America...
vagabonddom 1 year ago
Back in my alma mater state of Nebraska, the state government is required in their constitution to balance the budget. That's right, not a cent of deficit! And while I haven't checked for a while, I know that Omaha for a time had the best employment in the country and has remained close to the top throughout the recession. I wish Oregon, where I currently live, would do the same; Portland has consistently been on the bottom ten for unemployment.
Megabyxos 1 year ago
I don't know about you guys, but here in southern California we NEED and DEPEND on our firefighters.
TRZbebop675 1 year ago
@TRZbebop675 Of course you need firefighters. We also need cops, and teachers, etc. What we don't need is 120k salaries, full pension, full health benefits, etc. Privatize the damn jobs and save us tax payers billions on the spot. All these pensions should also get renegotiated. I mean look in NYC. Firefighters take their last year to rack up a 250k salary so that their pension is based on that. Why can't we, tax payers, play the same game and cut their pension by a third?
dannydarias1 1 year ago
Why do we need so many cops and firemen? Firemen spend most of their time cooking spaghetti. They're rarely needed for fires and, hell, I can put out a friggin' fire.
And as far as cops go, they have a much harder job than the firemen (most people aren't shotting at firemen) and they make less money, too.
That said, if we declared open season on every gang banger, there would be no gangs in about a month, the crime rate would plummet and we could cut the number of cops by 70%.
imallpissedoff 1 year ago
California has a $500,000,000,000 unfunded pension debt.
That's five hundred billion dollars.
That's half a TRILLION dollars. To people who are no longer working.
Thank you Jerry (Moonbeam) Brown for state worker unions.
No one to blame for this except the left. They can't weasle out of it. They're the ones in control. They're the ones making the promises.
Too bad we're the dummies falling for it.
Well, except me. I never fell for it..
imallpissedoff 1 year ago
Yeah! Fire Teachers Cops and Firefighters. WOoo...
thedick3000 1 year ago
California State Employee Unions and Utilities have bankrupted California.
gwuengr2 1 year ago 7
The U.S. is not a democratic Republic.
TubeRuleEnforcer 1 year ago
Interesting comments, but the Public Sector rules, and there is nothing....absolutely nothing....that is going to change that fact. So all this rant is but a waste of time and breath.
Marqus33308 1 year ago
@Marqus33308 It will change. Believe me. The funny thing is that us TAX PAYERS pay your damn salaries and then we have to eat up this freaking arrogance. When the blood line runs out, believe me, public unions will be the first head to be cut. Unions started looking out for the poor and middle class and has turned into a leach that now destroys us. My, privatize all government jobs. We would get a better bang for our buck.
dannydarias1 1 year ago
Like any parasite, they feed upon the host until it dies, at which point, they look for a new host to suck the life out of, this IS the public sector and their unions. Only question is, once you guys bleed the companies that actually turn the profit that pay for your juicy benefits dry, who will you go after next?
duanescot 1 year ago
Unions are TAX jobs given to HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUTS. The OBAMA stimulus package was just a big UNION KICKBACK because states are all bankrupt & cannot payout their UNION salaries, pensions, & exorbitant benefits. STATES are bankrupt because of HIGH TAXES - that is why we have no real job growth, and the recession is getting worse. GREECE & SPAIN is bankrupt due to these social welfare UNIONs, now California & the rest of the USA is next. UNION tax jobs are not the kind of job growth we need!
UCSDEngineerDoctor 1 year ago
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UCSDEngineerDoctor 1 year ago
Dont forget that these public employees will also receive a healthy pension with benefits too.
How will an economy be able to sustain itself when the biggest employer is government, federal, state, local. By raising taxes and passing legislation to curb business expansion because it will encroach on government territory.
Dont steal, the government doesnt like competition.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago 3
@ThunderAppeal Public employees aren't some scary demon out to destroy America. I've worked for private companies and now work for a state university, and I'm pretty sure I'm the same person doing the same work.
Oh, and I get paid less. The "public employees get paid more!" talking point is hilarious; on a job by job basis, skilled public jobs generally pay less than their private counterparts. Unskilled jobs pay better and give benefits.
Stop acting like crabs in a bucket.
BenkaiDebussy 9 months ago
I can see this...not sure if I agree, but I can see it.
RavenBlaze 1 year ago
Get rid of the Department of Education. #1 Smarter children. #2 Cheaper for private sector citizens. #3 Teachers will make an honest living.
Z0mgZ0mbies 1 year ago
we can eliminate the private sector nationalize all industry
weirdliberal 1 year ago
Since when did a govt job be the better way? Wow, everything is UPside ObamaDOWN!
ouluvme2 1 year ago
I agree some Unions are bad -but at times a necessary evil to battle greedy corporations.If corporations could police themselves an treat their employees fairly, there would nt be a need for unions.I know a particular company whose profits over the past 4yrs has increased each year but still cut the employees pay by 10% and lower contributions to 401k. Please do not bring up the recession, for it has not impacted this company. I repeat they have profit 4 yrs. - increasing each yr.
djkou51 1 year ago
@capitalismforever I can tell you with first-hand experience that UPS fills as many positions with temps indefinitely. Yes, they pay benefits, but to few as possible. Ethical? your call. And my main point is to call out the attempts to directly compare FedEdx UPS to USPS. Sorry, things aren't that simple. They provide different services on a different infrastructure. I admire the ideology of "whatever the govnt can do, private can do better," but reality is much more complex.
MrSkizero 1 year ago
@ortinator I'm not saying downsizing isn't necessary. Demand is reduced. Not long ago there was no internet and I was sending letters left and right. Now, it takes forever to go through a book of stamps. Demand/volume has gone way down and they can't raise prices faster than inflation. That's my point - USPS provides the necessary services whereas private cooperation and pick and choose . I can still send a postcard anywhere in the US for under a buck. Ask UPS or FedEx what they'll charge.
MrSkizero 1 year ago
Haha - of course FedEx and UPS are more efficient. They can pick and choose which markets they cater too. They choose not to come and pick up residential mail, they choose not to deliver to remote/rural areas. Why? Because it's expensive and inefficient. That's the point with USPS and other government agencies - they do what NEEDS to be done, not what's most "efficient." UPS also hires mostly temp workers - why? They don't want to pay benefits. It's a good (unethical) way to trim spending.
MrSkizero 1 year ago
@MrSkizero i guess that's why the USPS is closing thousands of post offices...
ortzinator 1 year ago
@MrSkizero No, FedEx and UPS DO NOT choose whether they can directly pick up residential mail or not. The reason why they don't is because the U.S. Government has a monopoly and won't allow them to. Both FedEx and UPS pay benefits. Furthermore, I strongly doubt you've ever seen the financial statements of USPS in order to make an informed decision because nearly everything you've said is incorrect. They are freely available at their website. I suggest you take an hour or two and scan them.
capitalismforever 1 year ago
@capitalismforever I suggest you park your brown truck, and realize if the unions are so solvent then quit dipping into other sources like the taxpayers wallets to fund your early retirement! Get real! The unions and the govt are equally retarted!
ouluvme2 1 year ago
@ouluvme2 I have no idea what you are saying because it isn't relevant nor applicable to me. I am a self-employed individual and have been for nearly 20 years. I have neither been a union member nor do I or have I ever supported a unionized work force. Therefore, you are engaging in what is commonly referred to as "talking out of your ass". Good day sir.
capitalismforever 1 year ago
@capitalismforever Then in part I stand corrected, but when someone makes a favorable comment, (YOU), about the unions in light of this financial crash, then my naive deductive reasoning had you in a UPS truck, if not, then great. We're half way there, now just realize the incompetence and the tolls that union officials are exploiting on their own at the cost of the Non Union taxpayer! Good day it will be!
ouluvme2 1 year ago
@ouluvme2 My original comments, in which you are referring to, had absolutely nothing to do with a union. Re-read my statements. My references to UPS and FedEx had nothing to do with whether they were unionized entities or not.
capitalismforever 1 year ago
@capitalismforever What? Not positve? And now your deflecting our attention away from the issue of this freaking video, unions and the like, and how they are ruining our economy? Check out Pension Buyouts...! I can't keep up with your liberal figure eights man! But nevermind, you do have a nice name!
ouluvme2 1 year ago
@ouluvme2 Again, your writings are only taking up space and offering very little in substance. You share a very common disjointedness as the average thinker: a presumptuous state of being. There isn't a liberal bone in my body. I've been a Libertarian for as long as I've been in business. I make the average Republican look like a Democrat. Now, go away from me. You have the mind of a child and I don't find you interesting in the least.
capitalismforever 1 year ago
@capitalismforever Lieberman is a Libertarian too! But he's supporting a bill with Kerry right now to tax you and me for on the environment! So, you might be as fooled as Lieberman! I don't know. I only go off the retarded words you said originally! You're the child that hasn't answered any of my questions but directed me to somewhere else! Sounds liberal to me! I'm the best thing you've got! A friend who cares about bringing you into the light! You will be forgiven!
ouluvme2 1 year ago
@ouluvme2 Nothing about Lieberman is from a Libertarian perspective. It's quite clear to me that you don't even know what a Libertarian is. Since you're having a difficult time relating to someone of a higher intellect than you I'll come down to your level: fuck off - you're a presumptuous moron. Good night.
capitalismforever 1 year ago
@ouluvme2 Furthermore, if you're so "anti-union", which I couldn't care less if you are or not, you should recognize that the largest "union" that has ever existed is the U.S. Government. Who in the hell do you think it is that sets the minimum wage standard? That, my friend, is no different than what the teamsters or any other union does. :)
capitalismforever 1 year ago
@capitalismforever read again, my jumpy friend! lol. I said, GOVT and the UNIONS are equally retarded! The Unions and the Govts are in bed together! So, a comment about the minimum wage? Where do we go with that? Nowhere! The government is way too big in our lives! But, perhaps you might need them, and I won't elaborate on that one! night night!
ouluvme2 1 year ago
@ouluvme2 Looks like you're more interested in having an online fight. My suggestion, go fight with someone who knows you and who actually gives two shits concerning what comes out of your mouth. You exhibit an irrational incipience that is superfluous to me.
capitalismforever 1 year ago
@capitalismforever LOL! So, question mister Capitalismforever... You support unions or not? If yes. You'll show your confused state! If not, then you will show your confused state - UPS is a union, if you didn't know.
ouluvme2 1 year ago
@capitalismforever And I got all the time in the world, bc I care for you! I won't you to get it my friend! Don't be swayed by the Haffas with a cigar! Stand up! Be strong and fight for your tax dollars! You do pay tax, don't you?
ouluvme2 1 year ago
There is no more money to pay for any of this, the public sector spent it all.
anarchylogic 1 year ago