Polska Kronika Filmowa Nr 12 Wrocław

[TWARDYDOC]

breslau - deutsch

[IustitiaPax]

Niemcy wkrótce. Slawicacja historycznych wschodnich Niemiec zostanie przerwane. Tysiąclecia tysiącleciu przed obywateli niemieckiej i germańskich Śląska, Pomorza, Gdańska, Neumark, Prus Wschodnich, w 1946 roku nie ukończył. Wir kommen wieder! Niemcy na żywo, nawet jeśli będą musieli się wycofać!

[Hetmannnn]

@IustitiaPa

Reading your polish-googlish funny "warrnings" I can say at least you stopped pretending your feellings toward Poles. Let's pretend tommorow germ army is coming to Silesia. I'm sure you'd be the first one to make ethnic cleansing on 8mlo innocent Poles (lover race right?) living there like nazis made in PL or polish commies did. But that's your problem. You can call out for war nobody gives a damn but remember who spreads a thunder first gathers Hurricane in returne like in 1945

[IustitiaPax]

1. I would never allow ethnic cleansing. I think the Polish Colonists can remain in Silesia. But they should learn German language and culture and schools have to be bilingual. I love the Polish people, but not Polish denial of historical reality.

2. Bratislava was Pressburg, more German than Slovak or Hungarian in 1790.

[Hetmannnn]

@IustitiaP I'm not interested in bid who historically controlled silesia longer Indians were in control of North America thousands years befor european colonist settled there does it mean authority in USA should be given back obligatory to their hands? Regardles of what you thinkPpl who live there now will decide on their own which language they want to learn anyway it's neither your nor anyone's buisness, and noone have a right to impose any decision in this matter upon anyone in free country

[Hetmannnn]

@IustitiaPax

Bilangual? With pol&ger as language of instruction? ridiculous. 160 thousend german minority in silesia can have ther german or bilingual schools if they want rest of 8 mlo Poles will have their own schools with their own program. Forceing anyone ex cathedra to learn any foreighn language alvays gives a bad effect. Poles went through this during partition times and it didn't work.

[Hetmannnn]

@IustitiaPax

If me or anyone else learn german it's his own decision. PPl wants to learn eng more than ger. You and ppl of your kind won't convince any of 8mlo Poles living in Silesia by petty demands and telling " lern german cause you should". This kind of bullshit won't do, Less arrogant stance combined with working on better relations between two societies would give much better benefit but unless bad stereotypes about Poles will disapear form Germany forget it

[Hetmannnn]

@IustitiaPax

Once more you showd how deceitful you are. You say Wrocław is still german cause it was much longer under Ger influence. But than you say Pressburg was german city in 1790 negating almost 600 years of it's hungarian history before Habsburgs gained controll over Pozsony in 1526. Even when Austo-Hungary monarchy was established in 1867 the city belonged to Hungary not Austria, and ppl census from 1910 tells that number of german and hungarian citizens was equall (1 % difference).

[IustitiaPax]

1. Pressburg does not interest me. It was a multinational city, like Prague.

2. Breslau was 100 % German in 1910.

3. Breslau remains German in its soul. I told you. No Wladyslaw Gomulka Communist agitprop can change historical facts.

[Hetmannnn]

@IustitiaP

1. So why are you so interrested in Wrocław/Breslau?Do you realize how funny it sounds when one who claims to be a Dutch writes" wir kommen weider" under almost each vid bout this city?

2)Just like Wrocław is 100% Polish in 2010

3) Soul of each place lie in it's inhabitants- keepers of local tradition and customs. Breslau's soul disappeard with dispersion of Breslauers and destruction of almost 3/4 city material substance in 1945. Now it's a different city with different soul.

[IustitiaPax]

1. Breslau is a City which was stolen from its inhabitants, whose ancestors lived there and in Silesia for thousands of years. Yes, because most Silesians have mixed ancestry. And Polish Masovians and Volhynian Poles have nothing to claim in Breslau.

2. Just to illustrate to the Polish ppl, that History will come around to avenge injustice. Not that Holland would invade Poland.

[Hetmannnn]

@Iusti

Yes stolen By hitler and his megalomanic plans of conquering almost 50% of Europe for future Lebensraum and the fact he lost his war. Than stolen by allied leaders who having absolute controll over Germany decided to "move" Poland west. Poles didn't participated in any of thouse decisions even polish comunist who were just stalin's puppets with no representation in PL society (unlike nazis in ger). You are too clever not to know all of this but it's always nice to manipulate right?

[IustitiaPax]

Stanislaw Mikolaiczyk and other members of the exile government of Poland, in July 1945 joined the Polish government of Stalin's mercies. Poland had relative liberty 1945-1990, and National Communism of Gomulka is well-known to have pursued (1) the goals of Roman Dmowski on the national question (cleansing, Germans, and Akcja Wisla), (2) to implement socialism with a tolerant degrees. Many Poles preferred rich German lands over rural poor, Ukrainian-controlled Volhynian villages.

[Hetmannnn]

@Iustit

Commies continued to make "recovered territories" propagand as a neccesity just in order to accustome thouse lands for ppl who settled there and wasn't really happy at first to live in hostile and strange enviroment. It was over long time ago so give me a break..2mlo germans killed? Who tells they were killed? maybe they run out before soviets just like you say 2,4 mlo polish jews wasn't killed but run out somewhere. You see it's not just you who can speculate and make insinuations..

[IustitiaPax]

I never said that 2.4 million Polish Jews were not killed at all. But the 2 million German victims of the Expulsion are well-documented. Of course both Polish milicia, Polish communist police and Soviet authorities collaborated against German civilians. But they were murdered. They did not emigrate. 8 million were expelled alive.

[IustitiaPax]

@Hetmannnn

3. The soul of Breslau remains the same. The Cathedral (Dom zu Breslau), the graveyards (destroyed by Polish terrorists). Every stone every cobblestone in the city speaks German. And modern Poles know this, fortunately. Again, I do not hate the Polish Colonists. But you are like Russian Soviet colonists in Riga in 1980, and like Israeli Jewish settlers in Nablus and Bethlehem settlements. Even worse: Germans of Silesia were murdered.

[Hetmannnn]

@IustitiaP

You see that's why we'll never reach any agreement cause I'm some f*king colonist for you regardless that I was born here and have grandparents burried here. When you praise Wrocław cathedra remember there wouldn't be any Dom zu Breslau now if Poles didn't reconstruct it and many other buildings of Ger origin after war. And you'd have far less argument to praise this german soul in Wrocław (like in Kaliningrad) so keep that in mind spiting on Poles on YT next time.

[IustitiaPax]

1. You will remain for me a Polish colonist. But you and your grandparents can stay in Breslau as Polish immigrant settlers. Like Turkish immigrants of 1972 in Amsterdam and Utrecht cities of Holland are also fellow humans to me. But they have no native blood rights. Poles have no native blood right to the Imperial City of Breslau.

[Hetmannnn]

@IustitiaPax

Amsterdam wasn't almost 3/4 doomed and Turks didn't raised up Amsterdam againd remember. I don't give a damn how do you call me. For me you will remain narrow minded guy living at least 70 years backward unable to accept simple fact world has changed since than and new generations builded compleltely another city on ruins of what was left from Breslau and this is how it is even if you spend rest of your life on YT praising a city which passed away and exist only in your dreams now

[IustitiaPax]

Turkish immigrants also built döner bars, built some ugly flats. Like Polish communists did, after destroying German monuments, German inscriptions in graveyards and churches. But I know Silesia is German, while also multicultural in history. Strzelin (Strehlen) had 80 % Czech-speaking Protestant population of 18th century religious refugees until 1945-1946. Upper Silesia had Polonization in Kreuzburg due to trade. In Pleß too.

[Hetmannnn]

@Iustit

comparing a few stupid bars to entire proces of literally building up almost entire city again!! Are you kidding me? . Polish commies used atosphere of common hateness towards everything connected with Germany to get rid of anything of german origin and habitual way of thinking after war : Ger = Evil, which was present almost in entire europe after war no wonder it was rather hard to find any defenders of anything of ger origin. And It wasn't accidental it has a cause....

[Hetmannnn]

@Iust

No Pole need your permission to stay in Wrocław. neither your or anyone so don't make fool out of yourselve. And if someday any german authorities will use violence to recapture Wrocław there would be fight for each house and each street you can be sure. Not that I find this as a real threat just want you to remember. And stop this petty warnings saying justice is comming upon you etc you are not a god so it's not up to you to tell what will happen in years to come.

[IustitiaPax]

You think, that modern-day Federal Republic of Germany (a legal construction for West Germany by the USA, UK and France, which absorped Communist DDR) would fight. No. But the Russian Army will destroy many populations and many cities and regions in a coming Third World War invasion of Central Europe. Empty lands can be retaken by reawakening German people. Not that I am a fan of Russian military or Soviet nostalgia..... But missile shield will provoke.

[Hetmannnn]

@Iustit

In opposition to you I don't know what will happen even it years to come you can play god and clairvoyant if you like we'll se. Maybe you're right and WWII is coming or not. Maybe Silesia willl be polish for the next 100 years maybe not or maybe Germay will became Islamic Republic in 2050 and arab migrants won't give a damn about german culture and some lands which was german 2 centuries ago..I don't care you probably wouldn't be alive till than anyway

[IustitiaPax]

2. The coincidence of Poles being able to reconstruct the Cathedral of Breslau with stolen German ruin materials from Berlin and from Liegnitz (Legnica), is just that. I praise Polish historians and architects of 1945. They were all Austrian- or German-educated 1890-1920..... I do not spit upon Poles on YT. I criticize Polish imperializm, Endecja, aneksacja, polonisacja, anti-German Genocide 1945-1949.

[Hetmannnn]

@Iustitia

You see that's why we'll never reach any agreement cause I'm some f*king colonist for you regardless that I was born here and have grandparents burried here. When you praise Wrocław cathedra remember there wouldn't be any Dom zu Breslau now if Poles didn't reconstruct it and many other buildings of Ger origin after war. And you'd have far less argument to praise this german soul in Wrocław (like in Kaliningrad) so keep that in mind spiting on Poles on YT next time.

[Hetmannnn]

@IustitiaPax

@IustitiaP

You see that's why we'll never reach any agreement cause I'm some f*king colonist for you regardless that I was born here and have grandparents burried here. When you praise Wrocław cathedra remember there wouldn't be any Dom zu Breslau now if Poles didn't reconstruct it and many other buildings of Ger origin after war. And you'd have far less argument to praise this german soul in Wrocław. So keep that in mind spiting on Poles on YT next time.

[Hetmannnn]

@IustitiaP

You see that's why we'll never reach any agreement cause I'm some f*king colonist for you regardless that I was born here and have grandparents burried here. When you praise Wrocław cathedra remember there wouldn't be any Dom zu Breslau now if Poles didn't reconstruct it and many other buildings of Ger origin after war. And you'd have far less argument to praise this german soul in Wrocław. So keep that in mind spiting on Poles on YT next time.

[Hetmannnn]

@Iustit

You see that's why we'll never reach any agreement cause I'm some f*king colonist for you regardless that I was born here and have grandparents burried here. When you praise Wrocław cathedra remember there wouldn't be any Dom zu Breslau now if Poles didn't reconstruct it and many other buildings of Ger origin after war. And you'd have far less argument to praise this german soul in Wrocław. You'd have second Kalliningrad instead  so keep that in mind spiting on Poles on YT next time.

[Hetmannnn]

@Iustiti

Right talking stones and buildings . So It seems almost 50% of modern Warsaw's buildings speaks german cause it was rebuilded mainly from bricks and stones recovered from ruins of Breslau. Today no more than 30% of Wrocław's buildings is German origin so relation is 30% speaking german and 70% speaking polish right? Or you think that all buildings raised in Wrocław after 1945 will always speak gernan regardless of anything. Russian Commieblocks of Kaliningrad does speak german too?

[IustitiaPax]

The soul means the soil, the history, the graveyards (even though most German gravestones were destroyed and dead bodies chopped to pieces by Polish extremists from 1945-1960 during Polonization Operation in "Recovered Territories"). The history of 800 years of German inhabitation of Breslau, the building of the city and its region by the German people (of course some Slavic element was assimilated).

[Hetmannnn]

@Iustiti

So soul of Long Island and Manhattan in New York will always remain indianish... It's up to living ppl to create soul of a place but you can disagree with me. following nothing but historic arguments we should recreate half of europe again Kosovo, South Tirol, Timisoara, Bratislava, Vojvodina ( north serbia ), Karela ( finnish land under russia occupation) Lwów and Vilnius ( almost 80% pol inhabitants before and after WWI), and much more. This would be rather hard don't you think

[IustitiaPax]

Manhattan was never a city under the Indians. Just like Breslau was never a City under any Slavic or Polish rule or tribe. Lwów was an exclave in Ukrainian land like Bielitz (Bielsko-Biala) was ethnic German exclave in Polish territory.

[Hetmannnn]

@Iustiti

Wrotizla/Vratislavia 990-1138 under polish rule, 1138-1326 semi independent dutchies under slavic dynasty which established polish kingoom thats never ? Lwów was no singular enclave in ukrainian sea it has mixed ukrainian polish jewish neighbourhood just like all cities on ethnic boarderland. Poles were second nation east of curzon line 3,1mlo after ukrainians 4,4mlo (census 1931),l Just like other polish cities on east ibefore 39 Grodno Drohobycz Stanisławów so stop talking rubbish

[IustitiaPax]

Wratislavia was a stronghold, nothing more. Not a city. And the lands of Silesia were not even under real control of Poland (Pagan Uprising in Breslau). The census of 1931 classified many Polonized Ukrainians and Belarussians as "Poles", who in fact could speak Polish also. I only meant to say, that Lwów was in a rural region with Ukrainian farmers and Ukrainian rural inhabitants. Only city was Polish.

[Hetmannnn]

Just Stronghold ? With bishopric since 1000&Benedictine abbey&5 000 citizens at the begining of XIIc ?Well by your obscure standards maybe it wasn't by early medievil standards acknowledge in european historiography it surley was. In your biased tendentious reasoning you have just denyed over 250 years of Breslau's history. Arab geograph Al-Idrisi travelling through centr Europe in 1154 amongst other cities named Wratislaba as "famoust capital with strong center and riches from many countries"

[Hetmannnn]

@I

Gallus Anonimus author of first polish history chronicle from th beginning of XIIc. (Cronicae et gesta ducum sive principum Polonorum.)„named Vratislawia amongst Cracow, Poznań and Sandomierz as „sedes regni principalis - main residence of kingdoom, pagan uprising had mainly religious causes and took place in almost entire PL kingdoom not just silesia back than. It was got under control in 1050 when Casimir I the Restorer took back silesia form Bohemia which stole it duting pagan crisis

[Hetmannnn]

in 1054 at Quedlinburg german emperor Henry III mediated between Poland and Boemia in Silesia case judging Silesia shall remain in Poland. Give me a name of at least two european states which didn't go through such crisis especially at the begining of it's history. That's so fu**ing typical for you arbitrary to reject any historic source which doesn't support your conspiracy therories and

and your revelated thuth. t I'm 100% sure this census 1931would be brilliant for you if it was german orogin

[trzcinarowice]

@Hetmannnn Couple of years later Poland lost Wroclaw because Kasimir the Great was more interested with pushing east.

[Hetmannnn]

@Iustit

I mean it had mixed neighbourhood before 1941. Manhattan is just a example. Most of cities in USA was established on lands violently taken taken away from Indians who had been living there thoused years before white conquistadors came and denyed their tradition&existance there and occupy it for over200 years. They may have put some scyscrapers and buildings but i doesn't matter cause it's indian land to it soil and soul and will remain indian forever.Sooner or later history will pay them

[IustitiaPax]

Manhattan was built by Dutch settlers, bought from the Indians, who NEVER LIVED THERE. Only a few millions of Indians lived in Northern America in 1600. Many were killed in 1880. They had no states. No state borders. They sold some lands to Dutch and English colonial powers. But historical Eastern Germany, incl. Breslau, were heavily populated, in a state. And in 1939 more (100 % German) persons lived in those lands than in 1979 under Polish colonial rule. Your comparison is evil.

[Hetmannnn]

@Iust

And I only ment to say you're talking totall bullshit. See google graphic browser write Poland 1919-39 nationalities and you' ll recive couple maps of various sources. Even totally blind person would recognize that Lwów area (and others behind curson line wasn't purely ukrainian or belarussian. Even after "export" hundreds of thousends Poles on Siberia and mass genocide of Polish ppl in Volhynia by UPA there were still 1,7mlo Poles resettled on "recovered lands" after war from east

[Hetmannnn]

@Iu

"Only from 1064 until 1189 AD was Silesia under Poland, then until 1336 in Fragmented "Poland" That's your own words and now 3 days later you say Breslau was never under polish control. German wiki about breslau's history has whole part titled "under den Piasten"so once again you act like you are the only alpha and omega who knows everything better than anyone in this word. That's so pathethic how quickly you are changing your opininns depending on what do you want to prove at the moment

[Hetmannnn]

@Iustiti

Even today after mass ressetlements you have 250 000 polish minority in Lithuania and almost 400 000 polish minority in Belaruss- thouse who somehow weren't expelled from their land (and their descendents). Apart of ukrainians poles and belarussians don't forget over 1 mlo jews who lived there. Ethnic things east of Curzon line in inter war Poland was far more complex than you thy to prove with your pack of lies and insinuations

[Hetmannnn]

I shall also mention that according to Russian ppl census from 1959 about 360 000 Poles were still living in west part of Soviet Ukraine after whole "migration" process.

[Hetmannnn]

@IustitiaPax

Propaganda was just a necesseryfor commies in order to accustome thouse lands for new inhabitants which wasn't really happy at first living in totally strange and hostile bunch of ruins. Nobody continues it now

[Hetmannnn]

@Iustit

innocent Germans were murdered by Red army and pol communists, innocent Poles were murdered by germans, innocent Russians were murdered after german invasion on Soviet union, innocent jews were murdered everywhere etc. so german victims are just drop in whole sea of human suffering released by Hitler and Nazi Germany so it's nothing special. Who sprerads a thunder gather hurricane in return

[IustitiaPax]

Many Polish collaborators and Polish soldiers in the Armia Ludowa, in Berlin Army, and in UB services, were non-communists. They pursued nationalist Polish ideas to drive out the Germans. Even Soviet soldiers were sometimes shocked. German victims are not a drop: in Poland alone, 2 million were murdered 1945-1948. Many mass graves like in Marienburg/Malbork, are still hidden! Operation Barbarossa was a war with counterterrorism operations.

[Hetmannnn]

@Iusti

You always find bunch of collaborators, opportunists,traitors and wicked ppl in each society. But even if you multiply all servants of Pol communist by 3 this would be just a fraction of Nazi supporters in Germany. Almost 14 mlo ppl voted on hitler in presidential ellections tells everything. Nazis came into power in Germany legally ulnlike pol commies installed by NKWD agents and Soviet tanks.Mikołajczyk was naive and he escaped west shortly after he saw this new "democratic" Poland

[IustitiaPax]

Yes, Nazi Party had many adherents in Germany. So? Majority of Polish people subjected to the Polish communist government. And Polish nationalists gladly enacted the annexation of historical Eastern Germany for Wladyslaw Gomulka.

[Hetmannnn]

@IustitiaPax

If you think Poles were so much pro-communists.Try to find some informations about history and popularity of polish communist party ( KPP) befrore WWII than compare this to Nazi prty in Germany. I don't Have to remind you that Poland was the first country in which downfall of communism started and ended

[IustitiaPax]

I know Polish people were not very pro-communist. Some were. Armia Ludowa veterans became more pro-Soviet. But National Communism of Wladyslaw Gomulka and Bierut initially pleased many Poles. You also defend Akcja Wisla ethnic cleansing and mass murder of Ukrainian civilians, like many other Polish "anti-communists" who defend Polish communist national policy. Still, you were in East Bloc for 45 years.

[Hetmannnn]

@IustitiaPax

Summing up as a motto i recommend you some of last sentence from german footage "Flucht und Vertreibung" of german 2DF television which I'm sure you have watched 100 tims on youtube. "Die Menschen aus Deutschlands Osten haben besonders schwer bezahlt fur Hitlers....." I'm not confident about last word but I'm sure you understand....

[IustitiaPax]

You know that the Polish People is guilty of genocide too, as much as the USSR was (not only Russians) in Königsberg ("Kaliningrad"). This tv documentary is politically correct, not historical. Polish annexation plans up to Oder and even Elbe existed in 1919, 1931, 1938 already and were Instytut Ziemach Zachodnich justified. Polish imperialism towards the west, was well-planned. The lost war only made it possible. But Poles did it. Not Schicklgruber.

[MegaNoster]

Nawet Beriln powstal na terenach slowianskich nazwa Slowianska Belina.

Po drugiej wojnie swiatowej powinno powstac panstwo Serbow i Luzyczan a Berlin powinien byc wymazany z mapy.

[IustitiaPax]

Breslau był niemieckim miastem na Dolnym Śląsku. Nigdy nie będzie prawdziwym polskim miastem Wrocław. Ludzie dzisiaj są tylko tymczasowe polskich osadników. Historia koryguje się w niedalekiej przyszłości. Oh, Śląsk, wy wieczny niemiecki region we wschodniej części hrabstwa Świętego Cesarstwa Rzymskiego Narodu Niemieckiego.

[OlenkaWagner]

@IustitiaPax - As you know I am not an extremist and I consider displacement of German people wrong. But what do you think we should do now? Three generations of Polish people have been living in this city and consider this city theirs. Germans can now come and settle there (because this is the law of EU). German heritage is slowly being recognized. So what else can be done?

[IustitiaPax]

Polish bullshit.

Nobody believes this Stalinist Polish chauvinist lies propaganda about the German city of Breslau in Lower Silesia (niem. Niederschlesien).

[AZsaturn]

WOW! Is that so you understood, what is spoken by the narrator? If the nonsense, this is the nonsense of collaborationists. Purposely you forget to make mention on this important detail.

[IustitiaPax]

This video is about the German city of Breslau, which is now merely under Polish administration and temporarily called "Wroclaw" and restored by the Polish authorities with German EU tax payer money. Thank you, Germany. This video is Polish Stalinist Annexationist propaganda anyway.

[AZsaturn]

Stop to pretend naive. Both we know that you are intelligent. Wrocław was not rebuilt after the year 2004. Already in the fifties of the twentieth century it looked pretty well. In the sixties it already looked perfectly. Yes. This is film film made for order of the communist regime. But sightly film. Yes. All in Europe are robbed taxes. Excepting of Switzerland and several small states, where taxes are normal. But it is other theme.

[Hetmannnn]

IustitiaPax when I read your post here I don't even know which propaganda is worse yours or this movie. What EU German tax payers in fifties and sixties? Poles rised up this city alone from ashes of Festung Breslau stop playing dumb. Merely under Polish administration? Only someone blinded with hate towards Poles could say such abstract nonsense cause nowadays the only thing that is German here is part of architecture which survived city anihilation of this city in 1945.

[Hetmannnn]

The rest = entire population, culture, administration, local patriotism and 70% of city substance which was either builded up or rebuilded by Poles after war is polish sorry to disappoint you but it's a fact. You have stopped with your image of Breslau in 1939. Once u say something about reconciliation but than u act like nazi revisionst saying about "polish temporary administration". Be honest and admit u r just another revisionist cause your false and foolish attitude is really sad

[IustitiaPax]

Until 1990 the official policy of the Federal Republic of Germany and many other states (including Vatican City and Latin America) was to consider these areas as "under Polish [or Soviet] administration". Not as formally ceded in a peace conference. As the Federal Republic of Germany never held authority over historical eastern Germany, its dismission of its claims, does not mean that the German people have no longer an international popular right to live in Silesia and be restored.

[Hetmannnn]

Historic German east in refer to Silesia? IStop abusing this term silesia was part of Prussia and Germany for 200 years since Friedrich II von Hohenzollern invaded Habsburg province of Silesia and took it by force in 1740 . The same way Austria or bohemia can say Silesia is their historic province. Before them it was governed by polish Piast dukes so many nations can claim it's their Historic province. Silesia was part of many states in it's history so noone can claim exclusivity for it

[IustitiaPax]

@Hetmannnn 1000 years of Silingii, Lugii Germanic settlement in Silesia (=Silingia), and 800 years of German-speaking settlements and inhabitants and German assimilation of Slavic remnants refute any Polish claims for "Slavic" rule. Kraków is Czech too, because of Moravian Empire in 990 AD controlling it? Give Kraków to Czech Republic now! Silly... Only from 1064 until 1189 AD was Silesia under Poland, then until 1336 in Fragmented "Poland" of Particularism.

[Hetmannnn]

@IustitiaPax

1000 years of Silingii, Lugii Germanic settlement in Silesia (=Silingia).... and than Adolf Hitler came to Power in Germany, lost his war and fu**ed everything up you should add at the end. You probobly replyed to wrong person cause I did never say anything about Vratislawia being eternally polish becouse of being part of polish kingdoom in it's early history so spare me your stupid insinuation.

[IustitiaPax]

3. 1000 years of Lugii and Silingii settlement, then 500 years of Slavic )partially `Polish`) settlement, and 800 years of German-speaking (Frankish, Saxon, Dutch, Flemish, Walloon) settlement. 60 years of Polish colonists. From 1064 until 1335 some royal Polish dukes´ influence over fragmented Silesian duchies of Schweidnitz, Oppeln, Brieg, Liegnitz (Lugudunum). That makes 310 years of Poland, and 800 years Germany.

[Hetmannnn]

@IustitiaPax

Do you know a city called Temesvár or Pozsony? For about 800 years they were integral part of Hungarian kingoom and strong centers of Hungarian culture. But course of history and events in XXc. made them Bratislava-Slovakia's capital and romanian city Timisoara, and whining about it on youtube with addition of petty warnings&threats won't do any change about it. Same about Wrocław. So my advise relax, take some pill and get some slip and maybe you would feel better

[Hetmannnn]

I know ordinary german silesians were victims of their own Nazi regime and consequences of ther WWII. But all you can is to balme Poland for all cobnsequences of this miserable war started by Germany in 1 IX 1939 in Poland. It makes me sick. But now the reality is completely different and if someone will try to take away this city from us we will withstand with no less sacrifice as it would be about Warsaw or Cracow even agains impossible odds as we always do u can be 100% sure about that

[IustitiaPax]

Sure. But if in 1946 German Silesians of Breslau would have defended their city, they were "evil fascists and Nazis". You live a simplistic reality, if you think Breslau is going to stay in a Polish republic doomed to be nuked by Russian missiles, due to US-American interference with a missile shield.

[Hetmannnn]

I don't know what is going to happen I don't want to play Nostradamus like u. If it's truth Nuklear war is upon us u can be sure it's not only Poland but entire continent to be doomed so I'm not sure if there would be anyone left to take or retake Silesia.

[laddo79]

no such things as german silesians!

or you had Silesians which were Polish or germen living in Silesia....if you do not use terminology correctly no one will pay any attention to what you trying to say....

[laddo79]

no such things as german silesians..pure nonsens...more than 90% germen voted for hitler...what does it mean? i guess we know and if You Polish never say it again thats disgrasful!

Silesians are Polish

[IustitiaPax]

W ostatnich wyborach wolnych od 1933 r., 29,3% głosowało na NSDAP. So you lie! Nie 90%. Nigdy. Każdy obywatel niemiecki został Śląskiego. Większość (85%), wszyscy mówili niemiecki Śląsk, 15% zwany śląskim dialektem języka słowiańskiego. Polska miała imigrantów Górnego Śląska górniczych. Ślązacy są Niemcy. Wystarczy poprosić.

[IustitiaPax]

Eternally BRESLAU.

[dms07st]

Widać tu jeszccze hełmy na wieżach kościła św. Marii Magdaleny (0:14) uległy zniszczeniu "niby" przez minę... Mają być niebwem odrestaurowane i zamieszczone na wieżach. Mam pytanie jak nazywa się teraz ta wieś w której był ten obóz kocentracyjny i co się tam teraz znajduje?

[LukC80]

Rozumiem - Wrocław znowu polskim miastem ale po co było niszczyć "Ślady niemieckiego panowania na śląsku" czyli pomniki które w większości przetrwały obronę FESTUNG BRESLAU???Wrocław "przechodził z rąk do rąk"-był polski,czeski,niemiecki.... O ile bogatsze byłoby to piękne miasto gdyby ślady wszystkich narodów panujących w nim pozostały nieruszone?A to co zrobił prezydent Drobner z pomnikiem Tauentziena to po prostu żenujące.KOCHAM WROCłAW - NIE UMIAłBYM ŻYĆ GDZIE INDZIEJ!!!!!

[krawcio79]

Postaw się w roli ludzki którzy tu przyjeżdżali po wojennej tułaczce - pewnie mieli dosyć wszystkiego co niemieckie, a i powojenna propaganda odzyskania i polonizacji Sląska temu służyła.

[AZsaturn]

O, fuj. Co Ty proponujesz? Może odbudujemy pomnik Bismarcka w Poznaniu?!?

[xylogel]

But it happened what happened, Germans invaded and got their ass kicked. There are still people alive who remember the truth.

And even though German nation suffered after the war, they deserved it by doing things behind the human imagination, if you have doubts I invite you here and we will visit Auschwitz and other camps created by Germans.

They cry over Dresden, why don't they cry over Warsaw, which was bombed so many times until total destruction in late 1944?

[IustitiaPax]

Of course the eastern German grandfathers, women, children and young boys of Silesia deserved to be killed and expelled by communist and nationalist Poles, because of the crimes the SD and SS units committed against Poles???!!! Yes, in your logic you want to exterminate all Germans. Your silly hateful Pan-Slavic nationalist ideology and your historical lies are no better than the historical lies propagated by Himmler and his SS dupes and SS criminals. The same 'logic' of ethnic hatred.

[FranklyMisterShankly]

Yeah, well this is what happens when you start stupid, idiotic, nationalistic wars of aggressive expansion.  If it weren't for a bunch of chanting, armband wearing, high saluting fucks, I'd be parading the streets of Lwów (or whatever the hell it's called now), like the good Lord intended.

[IustitiaPax]

Yes, it is indeed what befell onto Poland, after it had provoked Germany in May 1939 with war threats. Poland tried to provoke a war of aggression, drew new maps having annexed Berlin ("Barlin") and Hamburg ("Hambork" or "Kamion") and Lübeck ("Liubice"). They rejected the German proposed Polish-German Non-Aggression Pact and rejected to respect the democratic vote of the population of Danzig, which wanted to join the Reich. Germans were victims indeed.

[AZsaturn]

Which did Polish politician threaten declaration of war? About what map did you say? God granted for people right to defence. We took advantage of this right. Nonagression pact was undersigned in 1934. Who broke pact? You see which you are impartial? Poland prepared to efence of own matters. Capital crime!! Reich prepared to aggressive war. The noble act!! Your impartiality is legendary. Free City of Gdańsk? Got many mercies. They could absolutely all, except liquidation of own legal status.

[IustitiaPax]

Right to defence is a right to aggression? How silly are you? Poland was the victim of French and English agitation, which tried to unite the USSR into an anti-Nazi attack alliance to crush Hitler Germany in 1939. When the USSR refused this, Poland got between the "temporal" fronts. Danzig wanted to return to Germany. Democratic referendum. Almost all wanted. But to you only Polish Chauvinist and Bierut Propaganda is "true".

[Hetmannnn]

Once again everything was set finally in 1990 whhen german gov recognized in "2+4 pact" 12 september 1990 decisions of Yalta and Potsdam conference since than everybody are satisfy except part of germ society. Today silesia is inhabitated by almost 8 mlo Poles which are attached to their homes and noone have right to punish them for USSR, Eng, USA and Nazi Germ mistakes. This situation can be changed only by another huge war. I don't think germ are so stupid to do it but it's their choice

[AZsaturn]

What aggression? I asked so that you don't pretend naive. Your reasoning is following: Reich developed own army, because feared aggression of own neighbours. Very praiseworthy act. Neighbours of Reich developed armies, because feared very much aggression of Reich. But this is disgraceful!! Your impartiality is already legendary. Why nobody, except Reich didn't have right to fear and to take steps prudences? I know why. Master race! Free City Gdańsk? Seeming, you support independence of Kosovo?

[laddo79]

Germen were victims? Really? I can easilly find ppl you work for and inform them what sort of person you are....shall I try? I have just checked You out...what would they do if they knew you are a hitler's fan? well well

[IustitiaPax]

Powiedz mi. Polski ekstremistów jak ty, nie są traktowane poważnie. Jesteś polskich nacjonalistycznych i Polski propagandowe, nienawiści i kłamstwa. Jestem przekonany, chrześcijański demokrata. Wiem, że mój pracodawca. I potępienia reżimu Hitlera, ale także polskich ludobójstwa na niewinnych niemieckich kobiet i dzieci. Prawda wyjdzie na jaw naturalnie. Następnie przestępcy Polska.

[laddo79]

masz problem z glowa i to powazny....czytaj ze zrozumieniem... bo jestem Zydem tak wogole....a moja matka to pol Niemka...i to co mowie jest wyrazem szacunku dla Polski....ktore bronie....wiem wiem jacy potrafia byc Polacy...to w koncu ludzie...a zeby wszystko sie zmienilo nie trzeba stulci lecz kilka pokolen....juz sie stalo....a kim ty jestes udajesz niemca? zal mi cie

[laddo79]

i nie zrownuj masowego zaplonowanego ludobojstwa dokonywanego przez niemcow z tym co robili glownie zolnierze w trakcie wojy - wywlolanej przez niemcow! nie myl ludobojstwa i obracania ludzi w niewolnikow z wojennym zacietrzewieniem ktore z czasem pojawia sie po obu stronach frontu! Nie bylo by wojny nie bylo by zmiany granic i tych twoich niemieckich ofiar...ktore uprzednio zreszta wybraly hitlera i czerpaly zyski z wojny

[AZsaturn]

Ty mi powiedz, czy naprawdę nie widzisz jak wielką sprawiasz przykrość? Twoja teza mówiąca, że Drang nach Osten to nic haniebnego. Ale to samo (to samo!), lecz ofiara i oprawca zamienili się miejscami, jest bardzo haniebne. Czuję się dyskryminowany.

[xylogel]

Germans started this madness and then they were fully responsable for what happened, not a "small group of nazis" but SS, Luftwaffe, wehrmacht, Gestapo, hitlerjugend etc.

You think that throwing stones , spitting or beating prisoners of war or POlish workers marching was a sign of innocence? My wifes grandfather was a policeman- he was killed by germans in Stutthof, I know people who were take by force to work for the reich- you think they slept in hilton and eat in restaurants?

[IustitiaPax]

No, the Expulsion of eastern Germans was the fault of Poles, Czechs, western Allies and Soviet Russians. Not of the Germans themselves. Just because the Nazis did evil crimes, does not make that those who committed genocides áfter the Nazis cannot be blamed. The Nazis did not do the expulsions of eastern Germans, mister!

[AZsaturn]

So, say to me. If the tenant in the multihousing-building teases to neighbours, beats neighbours, kills neighbours, robs neighbours, steals children if have nordic faces, then does not sign for himself the eviction order? Whether the neighbour who teases very much to orderly people one ought to leave alone? The man is not accountable for its own doings?

[IustitiaPax]

Breslau. Once a German city. Its soul will live on. The Dominsel and the Breslau Archdiocesan Cathedral look upon the city. If one listens in the silence of the night, one might still hear the German students' song echoing through the walls of the Rathaus (City Hall), or the German farmers from Glatz (Klodzko), coming in with carts to sell their cows at the Cattle Market.

[xylogel]

Wroclaw, then Breslau and now Wroclaw again.

If you try to listen a little longer you will hear the echo of POlish KIng setting Polish Bishop in POlish city of Vratislav ( 1000 AD)...

[IustitiaPax]

It never was "Wroclaw" before. That is a Polish invention of Pan-Polonic and Pan-Slavic imperialism. It was Wratislaw before of Slavic Silesians, not of Poles. And Gniezno/Gnesen is Polish, not German. You sound like Himmler. Just because a German Bishop was in Gniezno often, does not mean the city was ethnic German! It was Polish. Breslau always was German during its construction. Hear the echoes of the Germans sailing the Oder, studying in the student rooms.

[xylogel]

Wroclaw is modernized name , indeed, Haag was once 's-Gravenhage - so what?

I think you sound like Himmler with a little dose of Goebbels. Breslau was Silesian not German, and Silesia ethnically was NEVER German but Slavic and Poles are slavic not germans then it belonged to 3 nations

Finally becoming Prussian then German.

and then POlish.

Supposedly if Germans would not start the war it would be still german as well as Part of present Ucraine , Belarus, Lithuania would be POlish.

[IustitiaPax]

Of course: the silly argument, that every critic of communist Polish imperialism is "Himmler". That you continue to repeat the lie that Silesia was "never German", means you subscribe to the Evil Ideology of Pan-Slavism and Nationalist Imperialism. Breslau, Glatz, entire Middle and Lower Silesia and Grafschaft Glatz were 100 % German, as was Breslau. Only in Upper Silesia there remained some Slavic and Polish centres. Only in UPPER Silesia. And I do not deny that. Breslau was always GERMAN!

[AZsaturn]

Wrocław was always of German. Especially then, when built Czeches. Why you never are angry at conferees of the Big Trio? How much Poles was it members of the Big Trio? If once I will witness as the bailiff exacts the debt, I will call him an imperialist. The Big Trio they put us before the fait accompli.

[adlozi]

Silesia was slavic? good one :D

[xylogel]

You have no idea how much your country and other countries owe to my nation, to mention only King Jan III Sobieskji who stopped the Turk invasion on Whole Europe, or Jozef Pilsudski who 3 centuries later stopped the Soviet armies marching to conquer the Europe.

Why the hell you do not mention the role of Soviet NKWD?

[IustitiaPax]

Poland did not stop the Soviet Union alone with Pilsudski. And Pilsudski weakened other countries as Germany (Silesian Risings), in order to steal German lands. But Pilsudski in the end was fine. He was not as anti-German as modern Poles. In fact, Pilsudski was even respected by Adolf Hitler himself. Weird, but a fact. And yes, the NKVD criminals of the Soviets are war criminals too. But like the SS, not all Russians are therefore criminals, nor all Germans for the SS crimes!

[xylogel]

Who helped him then? Brave Dutch Army? Maybe Japanese Geishas? What is your problem with POlish nation? It is caused by you sympathy to Hitler and nazi movement? Or maybe you feel sorry that the Netherlands are not the part of the 3rd reich ?

There were few nations that have suffered so much during WW2, and Your one were not amongst them. I thought you were intelligent, able to think constructive and objective. well, apparently you are not.

[IustitiaPax]

Sympathy for innocent eastern German civilians who were butchered by the Armja Ludowa and Polish Bierut decrees and put into camps, has nothing to do with "sympathy" for the evil ideology of Nazism. If you equate efforts for humane treatment and rehabilitation of innocent Germans with being a Nazi, you are a hate monger, an anti-German hate speech spreader. You are not intelligent at all. Go on, repeat your one-sided Communist-era Polish history "education".

[xylogel]

OK, Mr. Nazi- Germanophile. Slaughter of innocent civilians of Polish Nationality was not so important as poor Eastern Germans.

How about this- They were expelled not killed, germans killed instead of expulsion.

NOw you try to compare what is worse. Being killed of expelled? I am not a hate monger, I have many friends in different countries, and NONE of them never denied that NAZIS were GERmans. You however seem to me as a little uneducated germanophile- with incredible resistance to proofs.

[IustitiaPax]

In "Poland" (Silesia, Pomerania, East Prussia, Danzig, under Polish administration) 1.7 Mio. German civilians perished during the Expulsion. That means they were murdered. The rest of 9 mio. were expelled. And you should not pervert your statements. You alleged that ALL Germans were ALL fanatical Nazis who murdered Poles. You presented no proof at all. You just repeat foolish Polish propaganda.

[AZsaturn]

Say to me was which the quantity of war criminals, executive officers of Wehrmacht & SS & members NSDAP? I don't know. I'm very much interested. 2.000? 5.000? Certain is only one. Even 10.000 persons it would not organize such nightmare so big scale. They were head. Rest they were arms. To organize such nightmare is necessary help of millions. At that time. How much Germans was did get lost during ejections? One inflate this number. Second understate. I deduce that the number will be in middle.

[IustitiaPax]

I do not accuse all Poles. One question: do you think that Poland or Germany could throw out Russian civilians from e.g. Smolensk and deport them to the Ural, just because of the NKVD mass murderous crimes against the Polish (and later on, the German) peoples? Of course not. Civilians are not guilty. Only criminals are guilty, not entire ethnicities. Do not demonize the Germans. I do not attack all Poles, in fact I admire much of Polish history and culture!

[xylogel]

Ad4) Of course it does not absolve, but those "crimes" were for reason, it was an answer for other crimes made by "Glorious Soldiers" of the 3rd Reich, Ever heard or read what they did in Warsaw? How about mass executions? How about mass genocide of 6Million POles? do you think they were soldiers? Man, you live in other reality created by Hollywood or Goebbels movies

[xylogel]

Ad3)And what about it? Better to forget it? And claim he was brave and full of virtues? Having ordered thousands of people to destroy and then clean the area in the middle of the city to build a runway for HIS plane? what about other people? Be serious, you are either Nazi or Germanophile. Whatever arument you are given you still claim the holiness of German nation. Treating them as poor victims . heh quick Question, was Auschwitz POlish camp? were there gas chambers? :) come on and get real

[IustitiaPax]

No, I only intend to convey to ideologically motivated persons, that there is no such thing as collective guilt, and that part of the German people were victims, and another (much smaller) part were criminals (during the War). It is Polish version of history which is biased and inaccurate. Germans criticize themselves, Poles and Americans, Czechs and russians are seemingly unable to criticize their ancestors' criminal actions.

[xylogel]

And what are you doing my good man? Ypu are blaming my nation for "crimes against the poor east Germans"

This innocent society was in fact the most indoctrinated and militarized nation in the whole world that time , and the bad guys and criminals was not only in SS, Gestapo and Wehrmacht. have you seen the "nice photograps" taken next to the hanged people?

You think hitlerjugend was a group of boyscouts? all looks blurry from the distance, unfortunatelly I am closer and have more knowledge.

[IustitiaPax]

You have no knowledge at all, only Polish-Communist and Polish-Pan-Slavic-Imperialist anti-German "history classes' education". The majority of Germans opposed the Nazi racism and the crimes against the Polish people. And eastern German women, children, elderly, could not help what the SS criminals did in Poland. And of course, it was War. The Poles and Soviets did their expulsions against the eastern Germans áfter the World War II.

[xylogel]

any proof to backup your words? I have many , coming directly from mouth of the eye-witnesses, and people who suffered that time. who the hell told you the majority in Germany that time was against Nazis? Where were those "opposing ones"?

I admit one, people living in the german cities I mean the civilians were innocent so were POles, czechs etc, but if you look deeper, you will probably discover who started mass bombings of the non-military targets, Cities full of innocent civilians,

[IustitiaPax]

The German majority was afraid of the Soviet Union, and this was correct of course, and they would be thrown into prison camps if they opposed the Nazis. I do not deny that the Nazis and some of the military of Germany were implicated in huge war crimes, but that does not allow the Poles and Czechs and Soviet-Russians - under communist rule and nationalistic revenge hysteria - to kill another 2.2 million eastern Germans and deport (in Poland alone) 9 million German civilians and destroy.

[xylogel]

Sorry , you are denying your own words now, why are you trying to minimalize the role of German nation in Nazi movement and put almost the wohole blame on us?

If a german soldier or policeman would commit a sadistic murdery ( as they did here) on your mother, brother, daughter, would you forgive him? Get real, People are people, Act f Forgiveness has been done in the Sixties by POlish Episcopate and intelectuals ( We forgibve and ask for forgiveness) did you know that? I don;t think so.

[IustitiaPax]

I do not blame "you". I do not blame all Poles for the crimes against the Germans. Certainly not present-day Poles! However, you do insist that all Germans were guilty of being Nazis. Which is nonsense. No, Poles are always the victims, and Germans all were guilty and evil. It seems like Poles behave like Israelis, who also claim that every criticism of their policies in the past is "antisemitism" and "nazi". You get real. I know about the Polish Bishops. But not from all Poles sadly!

[xylogel]

read closely your words,

And I do not blame present germans at all, except for those nazi scumbags ,POles did not attack germany, and yes Germans of that time were guilty as they were more than happy under the leadership of hitler.Naturally there were small groups not accepting him but not because of his plans or actions.

POles, Israelis and Russians suffered the most and have moral right to blame GERMANS of that time.You have no Idea what happened here,you were occupied, not exterminated.

[xylogel]

sorry about the clone, can anyone delete this?

[IustitiaPax]

This is not the "former Breslau", but remains Breslau. "Wroclaw" is the Polish occupying Pan-Slavic ideological name imposed on this German Silesian Capital in 1945 and already before. Its German and English name is Breslau. Its West Slavic Silesian name was Wratislaw, in Latin: Vratislavia. Breslau's soul remaineth German for all eternity! The Germans buried in the cemeteries of Breslau, with their grave signs destroyed by Polish and Soviet extremism, still call to us: We Remain German!

[xylogel]

Nearly Correct with the names, however you have forgotten to mention  its other names,i.e.Wrocisław ( Polish)Vratislav, Vroclav ( that's from Czech), and Boroszló ( Hungarian).The Polish name was later phonetically simplified from Wrocisław to Wrotsław to Wrocław used since the 12th century

[xylogel]

I assume you are German nationality and perhaps this explains your "weak memory" or I would rather say manipulation by simply not mentioning the 'not popular' facts. It is called propaganda, and your nation has a lot of tradition in this field.

Before you post anything about it read some books or at least Wikipedia. People like you put Germans in bad light.And speaking of cemeteries call, clean your ears, and hear the call from mass graves in german nazi concetration camps located nearby.

[xylogel]

Sorry, I thought you are German, and you are Dutch, :)

Germans are obviously wiser. They want to know more than only Goebbels propaganda, they have the will to learn. You apparently don't

[IustitiaPax]

In Italian: Breslavia. Yes, and Germans called Warszawa "Warschau". But that does not mean that Germans in 1941 could seize Warsaw and deport all Poles and settle Germans, like Poland did after July 1945. The expulsion was a crime against humanity. Germans are humans too.

[xylogel]

I wanted to let you know that Wroclaw was German( preussich actually) only a few centuries, in the meantime it changed its rulers from Polish Piast dynasty, through, Czechs, Hungarians, Austrians, and finally Germans. So the roots are not so firm as you say.

The German influences are visible yet today,

but please note that the city was ruined in 75%.

[xylogel]

your words about the crime against the Humanity sound pathetic, obviously you forgot who started this madness, funny is that you don't mention about the expulsion of Jews, about the putting POles and other nations into the concentration camps, and finally something that touches German nation itself, after taking the decision of making the city into 'Festung " there was a ban for women and children ( german) to escape the city, the order was given by ...German Gauleiter. Was it a crime or not?

[IustitiaPax]

(1) This is about the eastern German victims (about 2.2 million in number) of Polish(-communist/-nationalist­), Czech and Soviet-Russian genocidal Expulsion and Violence, after the end of the war.

(2) I do recognize the sufferings of the Jews and the expelled Poles, at the hands of the criminal SS.

(3) Of course Gauleiter Hanke made a criminal mistake by blocking the evacuation of defenceless citizens.

(4) This does not absolve the post-1945 Polish crimes against Germans.

[xylogel]

Ad1) would you expect mercy from people who suffered terror, criminal law and the hardest punishment system in all the occupied countries for 5years from the INVADERS,( I hope you know who started the WW2 and who Invaded who?)

Ad2)No offence,I don't think so, you come from a country which had no idea about the ww2 comparing to the POles, Czechs, and Russians.I wonder if you know Polish General Maczek who Liberated some Dutch Towns and Cities(Breda) , :) another unconvenient fact?

[IustitiaPax]

If Poles are Christians and not occultists or atheists like Nazis and Marxists, then they should have forgiven. They deported German girls, boys and women, and grey-haired people, for heaven's sake. The Poles and Soviets were not like deporting Mr Himmler and Mr Goebbels!

[xylogel]

I still wonder who gave you the right to judge this? Where were you family while the WW2, or perhaps I should ask on what side? and finally what about the POLISH, RUSSIAN , JEWISH, CZECH and other nations deported, killed or sent for certain death to Concentration camps? You think they were traveling the first class ?

Mr Himmler? sorry dude,this monster is not MR for me, only nazi scum would call this freak Mr.Goebbels was a genious of propaganda, but also a murderer, in white gloves though.

[IustitiaPax]

I agree with you that Himmler and Goebbels were sick and evil of course. But still, the Silesian German women and children deported or killed at Lamsdorf by Polish communist guards, were not Himmler or concentration camp guards, but simply German women!

[xylogel]

To answer the same way, the communist and often russian guards ( didn'tknow that did you?) do represent the whole nation, in fact there were very few communist that time and the times later, There were always pression of Russian invasion.

Please try to find how many innocent women and children suffered and have been raped, killed by germans (not nazis, but germans)

and again, who then hell started this madness?

What is your problem with Polish nation?

[IustitiaPax]

Polish women and children were deported and moved by Nazi (Allgemeine SS) resettlement officers, e.g. from Zamosc. I know. But they were not killed. And Polish women were nót raped by German soldiers, not even by SS criminals. That is a lie. Not to defend the SS< but the SS did not allow to have sex with non-Aryans. I have no problem with the venerable Polish nation, but with modern-era nationalism and anti-German hate and denial of the Expulsion and Genocide.

[xylogel]

your words about the crime against the Humanity sound pathetic, obviously you forgot who started this madness, funny is that you don't mention about the expulsion of Jews, about the putting POles and other nations into the concentration camps, and finally something that touches German nation itself, after taking the decision of making the city into 'Festung " there was a ban for women and children ( german) to escape the city, the order was given by ...German Gauleiter. Was it a crime or not?

[IustitiaPax]

Nonsense. Do you Poles have any history? I did not say Breslau is a "Prussian" city. No, Breslau was an ethnic German city, like Vienna and Klagenfurt and Meran too. Whether under Austrian Habsburg or Hohenzollern rule, does not matter. Since the 1200s German civilians have built the city into what it was, nót Poles. The ethnic German roots are firm. The same with Braunsberg, which for long was under the Polish Kingdom. But ethnic German always.

[xylogel]

:)Are you trying to offend me? Your country in the history were ethnic German lands, as there lived German Tribes, and do I say that any of your cities is German? I am becoming to be tired by this one-side discussion, and I am not sure if you are an Ignorant or you are playing one.

My God, Does Spain has German roots? There were Habsburgs too,

What about Mexico? There was Kaiser Maximilian of Austria.

This is becoming really pathetic.

[IustitiaPax]

No, but the Netherlands did not claim 1/3 of German territory because "we" lost Indonesia or something! Anyway, Breslau was ethnic German since 1200 A.D. That is a fact. You can deny it, but that does not change the historical facts. Lies run fast, but Truth runs faster.

[xylogel]

It depends on what kind of truth you have been taught, Lies has been spread through the centuries as well as they are being spread now. It seems like you know much but not much enough, I mean you 've read several chapters of the book , and have the basic knowledge, but not the conclusion. I have no idea where is you Germanopholia comong from, they have invaded your country for Gods sake!, was it ok for you?

Again, It was not GERMAN territory, please read Norman Davies Microcosmos book,

[IustitiaPax]

Yes, and my grandfathers were Communist and the other one Catholic, in anti-Nazi resistance. But they would have never dared to deport German women from the far western parts of Germany as "ancient Dutch" or "ancient French" lands, and then ethnically cleanse areas. They even vacationed in Germany. They said: "Many of the German soldiers were ordinary boys and men too, who did not agree to crimes, but fought for their Country. And some among them were anti-communists."

[xylogel]

Suppossedly your ancestors haven't met the worst of WW2, they haven't been in Concetration camps , haven't been chased for listening to the radio, or helping Jews to survive.

And why do you separate Nazis from Germans? Are you following the old propaganda job?

Nazis and Germans=the same that time.

I think you are mentioning the wrong nation

Indeed there were many innocent boys and SS , gestapo and other murderers alwaysclaimed they were listening to the orders and fought for their country.

[IustitiaPax]

My grandfather was in Communist resistance and saved five Allied pilots in the woods after they had been brought down by German air defence. No, Germans and Nazis are not the same. Not even then. Count Stauffenberg plotted against Hitler, he was anti-racist, and hated antisemitism and anti-polonism, but yet he also fought as an officer in the war against the Soviet Union. History is complex. Maybe not in Polish and communist schools, but in reality it is.

[xylogel]

My Grandfather after the WW2 was over was tortured by Soviet secret police and then released to die at home, just because he was in resistance,

Stauffenberg was led by a group of German generals, and trial of assasination of Hitler was not the result of his love to us or jews but it was the element of the plan to take over the command in Reich and sign the treaty with Allied forces as Gemany was not able to fight on 2 sides. History is complex, but your knowledge is rather selective.

[IustitiaPax]

This is not about names. And the Italians call Breslau "Breslavia". So what? I am not denying the early town's Slavic origins, you are the one denying 800 years of Germans who built Breslau. Breslau was not constructed by Poles or Czechs! Neither was Warsaw by Russians.

[xylogel]

Germans have constructed some in Wroclaw so did Czechs and Jews and Poles, as well as Italians in Cracow and Warsaw but does this mean Cracow has Italian roots?

I say that formal historical name of Breslau and its German History begins with the Prussian domination. and that was 4 centuries ago

The city was set on the Magdeburg law , but it was a set of laws, not history or roots,It was very helpful and it was adopted by many countries in that time. Please read some information

[IustitiaPax]

In Breslau, no Pole ever built a building which still stands today. Even the Cathedral was built by German tradesmen and cultivators. Czechs never built there either. They built in prague, not in Vratislav. JEws built a lot of beautiful buildings in Breslau. The dear Religious Sister Edith Stein O.Carm. (died 1942) was born in Breslau, Germany. "History begins with Prussian domination"? What? You do not know anything about ethnic Germanity of Breslau, but Polish propaganda indoctrination!

[xylogel]

I am sorry, this is really pointless.

if you look for somebody  basing on the propaganda , look into mirror.

[IustitiaPax]

Der Wintermorgen glänzt so klar, Ein Wandrer kommt von ferne, Ihn schüttelt Frost, es starrt sein Haar, Ihm log die schöne Ferne, Nun endlich will er rasten hier, Er klopft an seines Vaters Tür. Doch tot sind, die sonst aufgetan, Verwandelt Hof und Habe, Und fremde Leute sehn ihn an, Als käm er aus dem Grabe; Ihn schauert tief im Herzensgrund, Ins Feld eilt er zur selben Stund. („Letzte Heimkehr" - Joseph von Eichendorff.)

[extrapol]

Fortunately townhall survived the besetment.

[zukov45]

you're omitting a significant part of events that led up to these events; and in essence you're simplifying a very complicated part of history. your last sentence, and the word eternal, are simply ridiculous. its people like you that hold back comradely b/w both peoples.

[stevedn1]

This film was made by Polish communist criminals who only "arrived" in Breslau after 1945. The expulsion of the Germans from Breslau was a crime under the Hague Convention and therefore international law. The German soul of this German city is eternal and will never die.

[yaro007]

Fucking nazi idiot stupid english noob.