thanks for the words of encouragement:) im hoping to put up a video or two on the topic since the stage appears to be moving rather quickly towards the tribulation.
I agree he didn't appoint any of us to wrath but to obtain salvation through christ. Wouldn't that also go for those who find christ in the tribulation who in the end live and reign with him because they refused to follow the beast?
Are they appointed to Gods wrath seeing as they are in the tribulation?
@Myhopeisinhim Now - That is an excellent point ! ! None of Gods people are appointed to wrath. Thats means, those who are His people now as well as those who will come to Him during the tribulation period. (you just added another hole in the pre tribulation rapture fable)
@ppdrawings You know this idea of one pre tribulation period come from of a irviginite who lived in the United States during the 19th century. A visionary of this sect had a vision of the rapture before the tribulation. Darby later picked up this idea and incorporated it into its own dogmas. It's always very interesting to see how some doctrines were formed. It's a same thing for a lot of doctrines in several mouvments.
@an35tares Yeah, I have read about that. Thats why the only sure foundation is the word of God. Many people believe the bible to be a man made book of myths also, but I've found the bible to be proven true in every situation and circumstance that i've faced. Even the events that are taking place in the world today are proving the bible to be true. I believe i'm going to stick to the bible and leave anything that doesn't line up with the bible, completely alone. Be blessed!!
And then it got added to the scoffield bible, where it took off rapidly from there, and the most recent source being the left behind series. It's a worrying doctrine really, it doesn't prepare people in case they do have to go through tribulation whether its the time of jacobs trouble, or just personal tribulation that we all face throughout our lives..
@Myhopeisinhim Exactly myhope! You know it's a same thing with many biblicals interpretations. It's for that too that you see like the TJ and Adventists (There is others mouvments too) to do their own bible (Clear World Bible and The New World Bible etc.). They integrate their doctrines insight the text and false what the text say. It's normal because they take their theology as the True. I praise God to release me from that!!!
I remember when I believed in pre-trib, the twists I would put on a simple scripture, or even when I'd read a scripture, yet overlook what was really being said. It's like a block or a blinder covers the eyes so that even though you read something, it's almost like it's not there, which we've encountered countless times with those both you and I have spoken with.
I never realized I was doing it myself until the Lord allowed me to see what I'd been missing. It was like...
when he struck Paul on the road to Damascus. Paul could no longer deny what he was seeing or ignore the truth when he was knocked to the ground with it. That's how I felt, I felt like the ground was pulled out from under me.
It's a hard doctrine to let go of, and nothing we say will convince them otherwise until they see the verse that the Lord needs them to see that will cause the scales to fall away.
@Myhopeisinhim Hi myhope! You know it's my experience too. I was hooked on adventist doctrine. For me it was the true and and nothing could take away this truth that I considered beautiful. Even after my censure (because I worked on Friday evening to get bread on the table), I reiterated my faith in the Adventist doctrine forcefully. I told them that I fought for this doctrine and that I will continue to fight for it. But I was wrong...
@Myhopeisinhim 1 week later, the holy spirit open my eyes and see the biblical text as it was. And I said WOW (I reading galatians 3). Like I wanted to obey God, I accepted and after it was revelation on revelation... I was like Paul too (I say that when I speak before to persons. I sat on my horse of true untill I met Jesus in my inner being. There I felt from my horse and the holy spirit washing me of more 20 years of falses doctrines. I had believed in a false sola scritura.
@Myhopeisinhim But I did not stay on this revelation. I searched for answers and confirmations for three years. I go up historical documents until the 1st century. I wanted to know and the experience was wonderful despite the difficulty of the road. Today I say check what you are told and take the biblical text as it is. It is the commentary of the Holy Spirit. It is unfortunate that often we put our faith on interpretations placed on texts rather than the text itself.
@Myhopeisinhim At the time I thought it was the truth. But I was wrong. I had been seduced by the appearance of truth. Everything seemed logical and I cried. You know Jesus is the most beautiful revelation of the Father and living truth that is never heard. This story of the incarnation (The two natures in one person) was the cornerstone of the whole doctrine of Paul. God bless you my hope!
Thanks for sharing your road:) I believed in a pre-trib rapture for over 20 years, no one could sway me from it. I considered it to be that blessed hope, such a wonderful truth that I wouldn't let anyone take away.
Then one day, I read 2 Peter 3:10, and saw that the term thief in the night referred to the day of the Lord that occurred at the end of the tribulation when I had always believed that the term thief in the night had to refer to the pre-trib and was taught...
that it couldn't refer to the day of his return at the end because we all knew when that was....at the end of the seven years so since we knew when that was it couldn't possibly be that and yet here it was right in front of me, staring right back at me.
I didn't immediately give up my belief, but it did cause me to enter into a deeper search, asking the holy Spirit to open my eyes to what he wanted me to know. I started looking at everything pertaining to his coming and our...
gathering and the day of the Lord. One particular passage he led me to was Rev 10:7 and 1 corinthians 15:52 that speaks about the mystery of the Lord occurring at the last trumpet. Every time we hear about the gathering, we would hear about his coming too. After various studies when I finally returned to 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3, I read it with new understanding without twisting it, I just read it as it was given, and it said, his coming and our gathering occurs after ...
the antichrist is revealed. Eventually, every reason I believed in a pre-trib rapture was turned upsidedown. Take for example the verse that is used that we are not appointed to wrath but to obtain salvation. I realized I could not use that to prove a pre-trib rapture, especially if I believed people could be saved during the tribulation and live to reign with Christ because we know they wouldn't be subject to his wrath simply because they were still here...
Since they are saved as we are, they wouldn't be subject to his wrath so then what did that verse mean and it sent me on another journey.
After about a year of struggling with this back and forth, I finally realized that I could no longer hold to a pre-trib rapture belief even as much as I wanted to.
@Myhopeisinhim I see you comment all the time and I am glad you are out beating the pavement with the TRUTH. I hope you never let the pre-tribbers get you down because I know they will try. Eddie Nickels
@myhopeisinhim Of course I agree with that. But my point is that the tribulation period is God's wrath being poured out on planet earth. The Bible says that God didn't appoint us to any wrath.
You guys really need to quit being so condemning. Just because you watch a stupid little fiction movie doesn't mean you love the world. God's wrath is not going to be poured out because you watch fiction movies. It's going to be poured out on those who have rejected Jesus Christ and those who get saved, but yet still live like the devil.
1 Thess 5:9 does say that we are not appointed to wrath... but where does it say that in order to not receive wrath that we, in the context of this passage, will be taking out of the world? It doesnt. Is God not able to protect us from wrath in the midst of it? The Israelites, listened to God's word spoken by Moses, applied the lamb's blood appropriately and thus when the destroyer came the israelites werent harmed... in the midst of the wrath of God against egyptians.
There will be a pre tribulation rapture although many who claim to be Christians will not be going. My guess is you do not believe in it because you will be left behind.
Why do you believe in a pre-trib rapture? Were you raised in a church that does, or started attending a church that taught it? Or did you without any outside influence come to that conclusion yourself when reading the scriptures? If so, what verse do you believe teaches this? As opposed to Jesus and Paul putting the gathering after the man of sin is revealed?
@harrypotterification 1 Thess 5:9 does say that we are not appointed to wrath... but where does it say that in order to not receive wrath that we, in the context of this passage, will be taking out of the world? It doesnt. Is God not able to protect us from wrath in the midst of it? The Israelites, listened to God's word spoken by Moses, applied the lamb's blood appropriately and thus when the destroyer came the israelites werent harmed... in the midst of the wrath of God against egyptians.
Would you not agree that that verse is about all christians every where in every time, even those who have gone on before and not lived to see the great tribulation? We have all been saved through Christ because he calmed the wrath of God and reconciled us with him. We can now live with him forever instead of facing an eternity without God.
That verse says nothing about avoiding tribulation, or about being raptured before the tribulation.
Cont.. This will be on a Feast of Tabernacle as they exchange their earthly tents for the heavenly. Feast of Trumpets is when the two witnesses call the congregation together, then the earthquake just after the witnesses go up where the 7,000 devout Jews reserved by God 1Kings19:18,Romans10:4,Rev.11:13 die, then the seventh trump soundsRev.11:15,Rev.10:7. and the sons of God are born and caught up Rev.12:5. Jesus was born on the Feast of Tabernacles, and so will his holy body in his likeness!
The seventh trump sounds and heavenly Jerusalem births the body of Christ,the Man Child, son's of God Rev.12:1-6.The are caught up to God's throne and satan is cast down to earth for the last 3-1/2 yrs of the Great Tribulation.Rev 19 Jesus returns with the elect that were caught up in Rev 12:5.
Mark 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN.
@39RaptureReady It's a great thing that you love the Lord and you're doing your best to do his will. But Harry Potter is not considered real witchcraft. I really don't like it when people try to judge me just because of the movies I watch. That has nothing to do with repenting and asking the Holy Spirit to cleanse your heart. I am a sinner just like everyone else, and the only reason I know I'm going to Heaven is because I have been saved. Movies do not determine whether I'm going to Heaven or
@harrypotterification Harry Potter is a wizard therefore He is into witchcraft. A Christian shouldn't be involved with witchcraft and God also says that we are not to love the world.
"Harry Potter is a wizard therefore He is into witchcraft. A Christian shouldn't be involved with witchcraft and God also says that we are not to love the world."
Lol it's a fantasy book.
Should I not watch any fantasy because it promotes witchcraft.
Scooby Doo must be possessed because dogs can't speak.
See what I mean? Nothing wrong with wanting to live a holier life.But where do you draw the line,the rabbit hole is literally endless.Why live in paranoia and fear.
@1954phyllis - Agreed, the True Church is not to love this world...for we/the true church are not of this world. If you love this world...then you don't love God.
@harrypotterification Ephesians 4:15-18 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ; From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. ..ye henceforth walk not ..Gentiles walk ..vanity of mind...understanding darkened,..alienated from God..blindness of their heart;
I knew this on the national youth prophetic conference – that children of God are not going to be raptured before the tribulation period – the Great and Terrible day of the Lord (His second coming). Because on that time that’s when our light will shine, when more darkness covers the earth. But let it be Lord, we will stand as warriors, your end-time army. Hallelujah to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. The enemy has been defeated. He has already won. And He shall reign forever!
OH, ps...The TAG NAME DOESN'T MEAN WHAT YOU THINK........NOT FOR HIM, AGAINST HIM BUT EVERYONE THINKS IT MEANS FOR HIM BUT IT WAS ONLY A GAMER TAG IN THE BEGINNING. IT MEANS HE TRYS TO RECRUIT BUT WILL BE SHOCKED
There is really no evidence in the Bible concerning whether or not we will be raptured out at the beginning or the middle of the tribulation period. But read Revelation chapter 4 and you'll understand why we think it'll be at the beginning of the period.
@harrypotterification hey if your name has anything to do with what you love then you may need to ask the Lord to show you the truth about the Harry Potter series...if you r a Christian and you read those books; you may have opened up yourself to a spirit of disobedience and may be under a spell of sorts. I'm not talking about anything about the rapture or revelations. I just notice you intro name and it's not a good one. Harry is a male witch, did you know that??? If you did repent if not pray.
Actually the timing of a pre, mid, or post tribulation resurrection (rapture) of the elect aren't taught in scripture. According to Jesus, His coming will come after the sun moon and stars go out (6th seal) (Mat. 24:29, Rev 6:12-14) sometime after the middle of the seven years (70th week of Daniel) (Dan. 9:27, Mat. 24:15) no man knows the exact day or hour (Mat. 24:36)
I don't know whether to believe this rubbish that you are talking, or whether to believe what scientists tell us, that the earth will carry on for another 5 billion years until the sun explodes.
@adamclark1972uk Until scientist can acknowledge that the earth and our universe came from something and wasn't out of nothing; I will never give them any regard. For something has to always come from something. You can't have something be birth without someone or something birthing it. God said, Let there be Light....the big bang aka creation is explained in Genesis and lucifier's seed line will continue to make people blind to simple truth and I mean it's so simply that people look over it.
@coolwilliam4 Actually Jesus places His coming for us after He opens the 6th seal, sometime in the 2nd half of the 7 years, no man knows the exact day or hour (Mat. 24:15, 26-31, Rev. 6:12-17, 7:9-14)!The Antichrist and his armies (Luke 21:20) will invade Jerusalem before the rapture of the church (Mat 24;15, 30-31, 2 Thes. 2:1-4). May we be ready to overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony! (Rev. 12:11)
@coolwilliam4 Let's just be ready at all times church family and keep on trusting Jesus. We know we all don't or seem to not be able to figure out exactly his day or hour when he will come so, the safest way is to let the Holy Spirit keep us until the day of redemption. Us fussing about the day he will come is just confusion. We know if we live for him we shall see him in his coming which ever time. If we are he's he will never forsake us..there's just where I am now in these last days.
@ES350ES350 I hope you are not a Christian regarding those words you just expressed and if so REPENT and ask the Father to create in you a clean heart and renew aright spirit within you. Remove from you a wicked tongue and led and guide you into ALL truth. Walk in him and then you will be okay with whatever man says, be not moved because of disagreements with fellow believers.
personally i think there is scripture to back up everything. The main thing everyone should be preaching is that salvation is not based on ones view of a rapture but that of having Christ as Lord and Savior. Without that in the hearts of men there will not be any going home with Him....To live is Christ to die is gain......
@cash4medaily you know at the end of the day this is what the Lord what's from all of us to be feeling in our hearts...we do not know the day nor the hour but we do know. that if we hold to the faith we will receive our crown whether through death or before death for some. the point is safety is in holding fast to you faith in Jesus and never given up that; we will know the truth as things progress but until then we must stay focus on the Cross and the power it has given us to walk in Victory.
Then we which are alive and remain (Matt 13:30, barn) shall be caught up together with them in the clouds*, to meet the Master in the air*: and so shall we ever be with the Master.
*Clouds G3507: the cloud which led the Israelites in the wilderness
*Air G109: the air, particularly the lower and denser air as distinguished from the higher and rarer air
@MinisterQuietBuck Jesus Christ RECEIVES us in the Rapture, we go TO HIM. At the end of the Great Tribulation, He sends His ANGELS to "gather" all who is alive when He comes back WITH us. You surely need to read more of the Bible & stop listening to & watching misleading tapes & teachers. MARANATHA
@JesusHoldMyHand1: Does Pro 10:30, Psalm 37, Ez 13:20, John 17:15, Matt 13:30 lie? Can the Word lie, Jn 17:17? Have you followed 2Tim 2:15 and defined 1Thess 4:17? Why do you fail 1Tim 5:1? Heb 13:17? Rom 13:6? Read Ez 13, Father Himself is against those who teach the rapture. Do you actually desire for Father to be against you? Stop listening to men in buildings teaching the Jesuit fable invented 384 yrs ago aka the rapture. Do your studies and follow scripture.
@MinisterQuietBuck There was NO CHURCH in the Old Testament. Jesus Christ is LORD of the Old Testament & The New. The Bride comes back WITH Christ Revelation 17:14; Revelation 19:7-20
@JesusHoldMyHand1: Yes, Messiah spoke in parables often. But only those with ears will understand. Matt 25:1-13 is the virgins. This pertains to Father's name YHWH, not a rapture (/watch?v=3dmTnyTkxJk). Matt 24:36-44 is talking about when Messiah returns, it will be w/o warning. And those not of Father will be removed. Just like Matt 13:30 states the tares are gathered to burn. You want to be counted worthy to remain (/watch?v=pw22-sScLiM)
@JesusHoldMyHand1: There is no rapture, Pro 10:30, Ez 13:20, Psalm 37 and John 17:15 cannot lie. If you follow 2Tim 2:15 and open a Concordance for 1Thess 4:17. One realizes Clouds = Pillar of Fire from Exodus and Deut and Air means lower, not higher air. For there is a 2nd exodus, not a rapture. quote "but you probably won't be in it, good luck to you". Is that following James 2:8, Gal 5:14, Heb 12:14, Rom 13:10? Might want to study the milk before you attempt the meat, Heb 5:12.
What I learned from debating with those who believe in the pre-trib rapture is that no matter how much witnesses you give them, they will never even consider that there might be a possibility that they are wrong.
They hold on so tight to the percepts of men, is scary.
You are right, the Bible is right, G_D is right.
They will be no rapture before trib.
I guess that the only way for them to see it, is when they realize that they will be going through it with the rest of us
@hammerandnails777 The safest way to be is always being ready for Him. to not love this world and to hold fast to our Faith. Then we know whenever he comes we will be found worthy. we must get in the business of not loving this worldly stuff and looking up then and only then will we have peace amongst saints. I'm just determined to not love this world and I will not put my efforts towards treasures on this earth.
Jesus comes as a thief in the night (quickly, suddenly, quietly) VS Jesus comes in Great Power & Glory & EVERY will see Him...Jesus comes when we LEAST expect Him (eating & drinking; marrying & giving in marriage; buying & selling; planting & building) VS 100# hailstones, nuclear war, massive earthquakes/starvation, plagues, boils from the sun, all mountains & islands disappear, oceans turn to blood & everything dies, all greenery burned & a satanic madman is cutting people's heads off....
"...As it was in the Days of Noah, so it WILL be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days BEFORE the flood, people were eating & drinking, marrying & giving in marriage....Therefore keep watch because you do NOT know on what day your Lord will come....So you also must be READY, because the Son of Man WILL come at an hour when you do NOT expect Him." Matthew 24:36-44 In the Days of Lot, people were eating & drinking, buying & selling, planting & building. Luke 17:28 KEEP WATCHING
@JesusHoldMyHand1 you see thats what peope against the rapture don't see, i mean how are you going to be eating drinking and making merry when the people are telling the stones fall on us. I believe in a rapture but i believe many who think they will be taken will not be taken. Because Jesus would not say watch, he would say i will try you by fire in tribulation to make you ready.
@Thegreyraccoon You may be going to be tried by fire, but His Church won't be. We love, worship, accept Jesus Christ as our Savior & we'll be with Him. PRAISE THE LORD!!!
@JesusHoldMyHand1 you don't even get the point i am on your side,i said the samething, thus at the bottom i said i made a type O- Well if that's how it must be, So be it.
@Thegreyraccoon I'm sorry. The way I read your post was that you were saying I was going to be tried by the fire in the Great Tribulaiton. Well then, thank you for your post and explaining what it meant. I appreciate it. MARANATHA
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Don't worry it's fine we all makes mistakes,, i'm saying that he would say that but what he said was, i go to make a place for you and if i go to make a place for you, i will have you to my self and you will be where i am.
In Revelation 5:6 Jesus looks like a Lamb as if it had been slain....In Revelation 19:12 He's wearing many Crowns. I am going to see that Lamb of God, The King of the Jews, The Messiah of Israel, Savior of the World, receive His Majestic, Glorious Crowns, not the one that made Him bleed. I will be at the Wedding Supper of the Lamb, AFTER the Wedding Ceremony BEFORE He returns. Rev. 19:7-10. I'm so sorry many of you are going to miss this WONDERFUL event....Keep your Bibles near you.....PTL
In Rev 9:5 This says that the locusts will last 5 months. Do you think the rapture will happen on the Feast of Trumpets just before the Day of the Lord and the Return on Yom Kippur 1yr and 10 days later? Could the Day of the Lord (Yom Kippur) last 1 year and 10 days in order to allow for this 5 months?
@6kids4girls2boys A picture of the Rapture is in Revelation 4:1. The actual Rapture is 1Thessalonians 4:13-18. It happens BEFORE Jesus opens any Seal Judgments. He will remove His Bride, Holy Ones, Believers, Saints, Church so we can receive our rewards & Crowns at the Judgement Seat of Christ, watch the Coronation of Christ, go to the Wedding Supper of the Lamb, then come back WITH Jesus at His 2nd Coming. Revelation 17:14 & 19:7-15. When Christ returns, He is wearing MANY Crowns....PTL
@eddienickels1 You are definately "blind", "deaf" & have a cold stoney heart. I hope the Holy Spirit will change all of that for you when you go through the Great Tribulation.
This is a wonderful faithful message, true to the Holy Scriptures.
The truth about the Post-Tribulation Resurrection-Rapture is hated by the harlot Church and the Dominionist Church now unifying with the world system in these latter days.
Please Google "Post Tribulation Rapture" or go to
EndTimePilgrim . org / posttribrap . htm
May we see more videos like this, and people who are not afraid to go beyond commercial contract grade christianity and speak out for blood covenant Christianity.
@eddienickels1 Did you continue reading Rev. 11. See the "Come up Here"??? (Just like in Revelation 4:1) They are part of the 144,002 that are RAPTURED during the Great Tribulation. NO ONE ELSE. Maybe you'll finally start reading the Scriptures (like Rev. 11) that I gave you MONTHS ago. I'm not making anything up. It's ALL in the BIBLE. I only asked you quite a few time to READ it.
@eddienickels1 You're right. They CELEBRATE because they think they killed 2 of God's Greatest Preachers. Those people HATE God. I see you're probably going to celebrate right there with them, huh???
unless u make a living by reading the bible to some naive followers - don't waste your time looking for answers there
simple truth:
God (if exists) - does not care
Jesus (if based on real figure) - been dead for a long time
If you want to be a good person and have fulfilling life - dont live in fear of God - just be humanitarian and do good deeds to your fellow humans, and all beings.
Live your life in such way that when you die you don't leave just a pile of shit behind you
It's really sad that so many people think that Christ hates them, therefore they have to go through the Great Tribulation to be "tested" Revelation 3:10. Well, I'll pray for them and hope they make it through. Just remember, the Rapture happens BEFORE Christ opens the 1st Seal (intoduction of the antichrist). We will be in Heaven, just like Revelation 4:1-5, receiving our Crowns, watching the Coronation of Christ & going to the Wedding Supper of the Lamb. Christ comes back wearing MANY Crowns!
@JesusHoldMyHand1, We have not been promised to be protected from tribulation. We have been promised to suffer as Christ suffered and to arm ourselves likewise. We are told that ALL who live Godly will suffer persecution. The pretrib theorists ALWAYS twist , add, figure, reason that lie wrenching it from the scriptures. If we read the Bible exactly as it is written, we will not do that so we can get what we want. Tribulation is not the same as WRATH.
@GodsSeer Well, I'll be praying for you when you're going through the Great Tribulation. I'll be in Heaven receiving my Crown & Rewords. Keep your Bible with you at all times. It's going to get very bloody & gory down here from Jesus' Judgments & Wrath (including the antichrist)....which are going to fall upon the whole world as a test. Revelation 3:10
@JesusHoldMyHand1 .There is only ONE second coming of Christ. If your faith cannot receive miracles now, you will not be ready to deny the mark of Islam, the beast. If your faith is not strong enough to receive miracles THEN, you will not make it. The tribulation begins when Israel SIGNS A PEACE TREATY WITH MANY NATIONS for a seven year period. Joh 14:12 ¶ "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do.
@JesusHoldMyHand1 , Bloody? Gory? Do You know how all the disciples died? Many Christians today are dying the same way. If You think you are exempt from suffering and persecution, you are looking for lies. Show me one verse that says Jesus Christ will return two more times, please. What does this mean?; Mt 22:44 'The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool"'? He will sit there UNTIL He comes to destroy His enemies.
All we can do is provide scripture and hopefully someone will actually take the time to read what the word of God really says. I was raised to believe in the pre trib rapture myself but once I found out about the origins of this teaching and read everything that the bible had to say about the tribulation and the second coming, I saw that what I had been taught actually contradicts what is written. I didn't feel tricked or betrayed by God but felt tricked and betrayed by man!
@shay5839 Thanks! I was NEVER taught that myth, THANK YHVH. To me is is so absurd. My Bible Teacher also used to believe it until someone asked Him, ''When is the last Trump?'' There cannot be more than one last of anything. But the Bible twisters find ways to add to what Jesus said. There cannot be more than one return of Christ. Amazing how easily we can be deceived when we want or fear something without trusting Him.
I don't think that God hates me. I just have to believe what I have read in the bible as I see it is written. To say that someone must think that God hates them for thinking that we will be here for the tribulation is why I fear for those who think that they will not have to go through it, and seeing that they are, will feel betrayed or tricked by God. God says plainly that we will be here and warns us not to be deceived. It is not his fault if some choose to ignore it.
God tells us that the devil will the one bringing on the tribulation and cause us persecution and trials and some will be put to death. The wrath of God will be poured on those who receive the mark or who have rejected God. There is clearly a difference and it is clearly written. It is not in parables and it is not written in a confusing way. It can only be confusing if the reader has another theory that does not match up with what is written.
Give me scripture to prove that a rapture will happen before the opening of first seal or before the antichrist. I have searched and read so many times and I know that this is not written in the bible. We are not to add or take away from the word of God and people need to be careful about doing this.
I believe the scoffers [2 Pet 3:3,4] are those who have heard the pretribbers claim that Jesus is returning at any moment for so many years, that when we are still here, in the tribulation, they will be mocking them, saying "You're not supposed to be here, where is your rapture?" I also believe that it is the delusion of a pretrib rapture that will likely cause these same believers to fall away. I urge believers to study the scriptures for themselves, and know for themselves. God bless
Then I guess the NWO will have their way with the plan to reduce the population of the earth then? Listen, google search for "depopulation plan nwo". I am sorry dude, but there will be a Rapture and you better start getting ready.
I think alot of Christians are going to be very surprised when the Magic Elevator doesn't "rapture" them out of the bad end times. Through out the Bible you read of the bad times happening and the scripture usually says, "AND THEN" shall he come and gather his elect. Or and" AFTER THESE THINGS". Read the Book. I believe that this will be a time of the great falling away, when people finally decide no rapture will take them away and they will lose their faith, going through the end times.
I agree with you. I think that pretribbers will feel betrayed by God or lied to by God and this will cause them to fall away. God hasn't tricked anyone or lied to anyone. He tells us what will happen and what to expect and if we choose to follow the teachings of men over the teachings of God, that is our own fault. I have had people tell me that the pre trib rapture is true because God would not trick us. It drives me crazy because his word is clear. The devil has tricked them.
I was under the impression that those that believe would not experience God's wrath, which is exactly what the seven bowl judgements are. I feel that we are mid-trib raptured. At the seventh trumpet, we'll be removed.
@cporter73 The 7th Trumpet is blown by an angel and is a Trumpet of Judgment. Read Revelation 1:10 & 4:1. Jesus' VOICE sounds "like a Trumpet". That will be the same Trumpet Call of God in 1Thessalonians 4:13-18. We will be with Jesus while HIS Judgments & Wrath are being poured out on the whole, unbelieving, unrepentant world. We will receive our Crowns & Rewards, watch the Coronation of Christ, go to the Wedding Supper of the Lamb, then come back WITH Him at His 2nd Coming. MARANATHA
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Thanks for the scriptures to look up. I really hope that you are correct, I'd hate to have to live through any of the judgements.... now we just have to pray for the salvation of many loved ones... :(
@cporter73 You're welcome. BTW, you can also look up these if you want to. Revelation 17:14, 19:7-15; Jude 14-15; 1Thessalonians 1:10; 5:9; Romans 5:9 We are the Bride of Christ; His Holy Ones; His Church; His Saints; His Believers & even though we go through many trials & tribulations in our lifetimes, He will come for us to take us Home, BEFORE the antichrist is revealed. We are experiencing stronger birth pains (pangs), but I do believe it will get much worse. Love the Lord MARANATHA
Well I hope your faith is strong so when the tribulation happens, youll be able to discern the anti christ from true God. If your rapture does not happen will your faith save you? Will your faith be able to withstand persecution and a beheading? The lord will come but after the trbulation.The lord is not easy When he comes back it is for all his people, not some. What happens before 24:31? your missing the entire book of revelations. chapter 24 does not come bofore chapter 13, it is after.
@castersen13 My faith has always been very strong, but you need to understand one thing. I will be in the Rapture, BEFORE the Tribulation, so I have nothing to worry about. Beheading???? That's happening right now in many places around the world. But, you don't need to worry about me. I'll be in Heaven with My Lord & Savior before it's worldwide. Good Luck to you if you're down here then.
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Pre tribulation rapture Its a very comdfortable doctrine to believe in.This doctrine is not from god and it is not biblical.Your right it is happening around the world and the NWO is secretly controlling the world.We have a global system of goverment already.Its secret. The only thing missing is the anti christ. We are starting the tribulation right now. There is no rapture. Persecution and death is coming prepare your faith because you might be fooled by the antichrist.
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Take a look around? Earthquakes back to back, sunamis, civil unrest in europe, the middleeast is blowing in war and unrest , famine, economic turmoil around the world. Nations are turning on Israel.We are starting the tribulation. All the pieces of the chess board are set up. Now we are waiting for Satan to make his move.Prepare because you will need all time to build up your faith and walk with the lord.. Time is running out
@castersen13 Right, we have been living in The Tribulation for quite a long time, but since the Rapture hasn't happened yet, the antichrist can NOT be revealed. That will happen after the Rapture when Jesus opens the 1st Seal of His Judgments & Wrath (the antichrist is the 1st Seal). We don't know how much harder these "birth pains (pangs) are going to get, or how much closer they'll be. It could go on this way for a few more years yet, & I suspect it will. All the date setters are WRONG!!!
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Wear is the scripture for this so called rapture.The second coming of christ is at the end. Read the entire revelations from chapter to chapter. Is chapter 24 after or before chapter 13? Where is the scripture for the rapture at the breaking of the first seal? Give me the scripture please. I really hope you your faith is strong enough to resist the antichirst. Your right it is all of Gods timing.But Satan has not appeared yet. I was reffering 2 thess2:2
@castersen13 For 50+ years I have read the Book of Revelation. Friend, I have quoted you Scripture after Scripture & all you want to do is refute the Bible, the Sacred Word of God. Go back and read all the postings I have made to you. Read them slowly. One by one. Think about it for a couple of days. Then ask yourself this question: Why does Jesus hate me so much??? The Great Tribulation is God's punishment on those who HATE Him. How many times do they REFUSE to repent?? Over & over....
Don't you see that thinking that God must hate us for allowing us to go through the tribulation is what the devil wants us to believe? I know that I am not twisting scripture of trying to refute the bible at all. I just cannot ignore what it really says. From childhood to adulthood I was taught to believe in the pre trib rapture, but as an adult, I am suppose to read and study the word of God for myself and take what is written as the truth. Whether I like the truth or not.
@castersen13 The Rapture is 1Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1Corinthians 15:50-54; John 14:1-4 & Revelation 4:1-5 Jesus' VOICE sounds LIKE a TRUMPET: Revelation 1:10 & 4:1 Read Revelation 3:10, he's going to keep His called, chosen & FAITHFUL Believers FROM (which also means "out of") the time of testing that is to come upon the WHOLE, UNBELIEVING, UNREPENTANT World. It will be the Time of Jacob's Trouble which will include the WHOLE WORLD. And satan won't APPEAR until AFTER the Rapture of the Saints
@JesusHoldMyHand1 I am not going to argue anymor about this topic. I am sure there is no rapture Becuase it is not in the word of god. You can use two or three verses here and there, but when you put them in context with the chapters, The rapture theory prooves to be folly.This rapture theory will decieve a lot people because they wont be ready when the antichrist is here.I am a watchman and I will sound the alarm when the time comes. Hopefully you will hear my whisle when it blows.
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Again this happens towards the end of the tribulation. 1Thessalonians4:13-18 is the second coming of the messiah.But the question is when? When will be come on a cloud with a shout of a Archangel? revelations makes it clear it is at the end when the seventh trumpet.
@castersen13 No it isn't the 2nd Coming. If that were the case, all those living at the end of the Great Tribulation would be changed & meet Christ "in the air." Christ sends His ANGELS to "gather them". Matthew 24:31. They will enter the 1,000 year reign of Christ ALIVE. If that were the 2nd Coming, those KILLED during the Tribulation would "meet Christ in the air", but they DON'T. They are only resurrected. Rev. 20:2-4 The 7th Trumpet is a JUDGMENT Trumpet, blown an angel, NOT MICHAEL
@castersen13 Millions of people who MISS the Rapture are going to Accept Christ during the Great Tribulation. As a matter of fact, many of them are already Christians, but as Revelation 17:14 states, only the called, chosen & FAITHFUL followers will return WITH Him. Those backsliding Christians & new Converts are going through the GREAT TRIBULATION which starts when Jesus opens the 1st Seal - the introduction of the antichrist. He's a man who "comes in peace" and kills many.
@castersen13 Don't the words "Therefore, comfort one another with these words." 1Thessalonians 4:18 mean anything to you? During all the earthquakes, nuclear war, 100lb hailstones, famine, water turned into blood, total destruction (almost annihilation) + a demonic man and followers are trying to cut everyone's head off, the time you are going to comfort one another?? Your whole family is running for their lives, with no where to run to. No, we are conforting each other right now.
I believe that the comfort is suppose to come from the eternal life with God that we will have. Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of heaven and we are told that many times also. We will not escape death of our flesh and blood bodies. It is our resurrected body that will have eternal life.
@castersen13 Argue??? Then don't post to me anymore. I'll pray for you when you're down here & I'm watching the Coronation of Christ, since He comes back WITH us WEARING many Crowns.
That is what worries me about pre trib believers. They believe that the antichrist cannot be revealed until after the rapture, so when he is here, they will not see it because of this belief. Read II Thessalonians 2 because it says that Jesus will not return until after the son of perdition is revealed. It says so many times for us not to be deceived and that he will not come until the end of the tribulation. How can that be ignored and a different claim be made?
The date setters are wrong. But please provide scripture to show me that the antichrist cannot be revealed until after the rapture. That is what worries me and why I feel this teaching is a deliberate deception from the devil. If you are here and the mark of the beast starts up, you will go along with it because you will tell yourself that it isn't the mark of the beast because the rapture has not taken you away yet!
@castersen13 Your "now we are waiting for satan to make his move", is completely WRONG. He's on a leash from God, & it's God's move (the Rapture) we are waiting for. Satan doesn't know when it's going to happen, since he's a "fallen angel". He can't do anything without God's approval. Satan has chosen hundreds if not thousands of candidates to be the antichrist, but unfortunately, for him, God didn't "make His move", so now he's still wandering & searching, waiting & wondering.........WHEN??
I agree there is no pre tribulation rapture. The tribulation will glorify god and it makes no sense why he would take us out. The true will die and face persecution.
@castersen13 And as I look down from Heaven, wearing my Crown which I received in the Rapture, I will be praying for you. Too bad you're going to be either "gathered" by Jesus' ANGELS in Matthew 24:31 (you won't meet Christ in the air) or you'll be "resurrected" (never Raptured) in Revelation 20:4-6. Either way, you live through or die during the Great Tribulation (when Jesus opens the 1st Seal), you'll NEVER be Raptured.
Do you believe that you will be raptured as a flesh and blood person and never go through a physical death? I am sorry if I am misunderstanding your above comment but it seems to me that this is what you are saying.
@castersen13 Glory???? "When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you WILL ALSO appear WITH Him in GLORY." Colossians 3:4 When Christ comes back at His 2nd Coming, we appear IN GLORY WITH HIM, we come WITH Him. Revelation 17:14 I wish you much good luck down here after we're gone, gone with Jesus Christ. Amen
@JesusHoldMyHand1 2thessalonians1:10 when he comes in that day to be glorified in his saints and to be admired among all those who believe,because our testomony among you was believed.
2 THESSALONIANS 2:3 Let no man decieve you by any means; for that day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed.
Read the whole thing and it is clear. No pre rapture. Im sorry but I hope your not apart of that great falling away when the rapture doesnt happen.
@castersen13 That's right. After the Rapture, don't be deceived. Deny God's Word all you want. You're going through the Great Tribulation anyway, so why do you care what I believe or what the Bible tells us? Again, I wish you luck.
How can you add after the rapture to these verses? it does not say that and we are not suppose to add or take away from God's word. I wish you luck and hope that you see how wrong it is to add your own words to scripture. If God wanted those words there, he would have made sure that they were there. They are not.
@shay5839 Because the Born Again FAITHFUL Believers of Jesus Christ will be Raptured BEFORE the anti-christ is revealed. Too all those who are left AFTER the Rapture, will need those verses to understand what is going on. MARANATHA
I have read so many comments that provide scripture for you to prove why we believe we will be here through the tribulation. I see that you add your own words, after the rapture to all the scripture that is provided. If I understood you correctly, it seems that you fee thatl you do not even have to go through a physical death. You cannot change God's word based on what makes you comfortable.
@shay5839 Have you gone back for the last 15 pages & read all my comment?? I would do you good to do so, & give MANY, MANY Scriptures to back up my comments!
@shay5839 "Two men will be in the field: one will be taken, the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill: one will be taken, the other left. Therefore, keep watch because you do NOT know on what day your Lord will come." Matthew 24:40-42 also in Luke I don't know what you're going to be doing during the Great Tribulation, but I can guarantee that NO one will be working, grinding, having parties (like in Noah's day) or the like, since they will be full-scale war, famine, etc
@JesusHoldMyHand1 You're totally right. I try to tell this to all of my post trib believing friends. Many of them are ignorant of these verses and they don't fully understand what is planned during the tribulation for believers in Christ. They don't understand pain and think they're going to be martyrs for Christ. It gives them a strange sense of pride to say this.
@Rigotto90 I know how you feel. It's not they are ignorant, they don't read all the Scriptures. Also, there are a LOT of misinforming videos, tapes & misguided preachers that are fueling the fire. All we can do is quote Scripture, trying to tell them that Christ IS coming for "His Own" BEFORE His Judgments & Wrath are poured out on the whole unbelieving, UNREPENTANT world. The Rapture is NOT a soul damning doctrine. They'll be in the Rapture anyway, BEFORE Jesus opens the 1st Seal.
@JesusHoldMyHand1you still have not showed me one verse where it talk's about Jesus' coming that it is plural tense you can not it is always singular tense you canot find one verse because it not written you never read in the scriptures about his comings or returns it always come Lord Jesus singular tense
"And when the Chief Shepherd APPEARS, you will receive the Crown of Glory that will never fade away." 1Peter 5:4
The 24 elders of Revelation 4:1-5 HAVE their Crowns. The only way they received them was in the Rapture when all the FAITHFUL Believers are Raptured with them. MARANATHA Come soon Lord Jesus
This is the best presentation on post trib I have ever seen!! Great job brother! I even learned a few answers here! God Bless!!
deniwest57 6 days ago
@nickelsbuckingbulls
thanks for the words of encouragement:) im hoping to put up a video or two on the topic since the stage appears to be moving rather quickly towards the tribulation.
Myhopeisinhim 1 week ago
@harrypotterification
I agree he didn't appoint any of us to wrath but to obtain salvation through christ. Wouldn't that also go for those who find christ in the tribulation who in the end live and reign with him because they refused to follow the beast?
Are they appointed to Gods wrath seeing as they are in the tribulation?
Myhopeisinhim 2 weeks ago
@Myhopeisinhim Now - That is an excellent point ! ! None of Gods people are appointed to wrath. Thats means, those who are His people now as well as those who will come to Him during the tribulation period. (you just added another hole in the pre tribulation rapture fable)
ppdrawings 2 weeks ago
@ppdrawings You know this idea of one pre tribulation period come from of a irviginite who lived in the United States during the 19th century. A visionary of this sect had a vision of the rapture before the tribulation. Darby later picked up this idea and incorporated it into its own dogmas. It's always very interesting to see how some doctrines were formed. It's a same thing for a lot of doctrines in several mouvments.
an35tares 2 weeks ago
@an35tares Yeah, I have read about that. Thats why the only sure foundation is the word of God. Many people believe the bible to be a man made book of myths also, but I've found the bible to be proven true in every situation and circumstance that i've faced. Even the events that are taking place in the world today are proving the bible to be true. I believe i'm going to stick to the bible and leave anything that doesn't line up with the bible, completely alone. Be blessed!!
ppdrawings 2 weeks ago
@ppdrawings It's great!
an35tares 2 weeks ago
@an35tares
And then it got added to the scoffield bible, where it took off rapidly from there, and the most recent source being the left behind series. It's a worrying doctrine really, it doesn't prepare people in case they do have to go through tribulation whether its the time of jacobs trouble, or just personal tribulation that we all face throughout our lives..
Myhopeisinhim 2 weeks ago
@Myhopeisinhim Correct my friend. It's a lie.
FAITHandLOGIC 2 weeks ago
@Myhopeisinhim Exactly myhope! You know it's a same thing with many biblicals interpretations. It's for that too that you see like the TJ and Adventists (There is others mouvments too) to do their own bible (Clear World Bible and The New World Bible etc.). They integrate their doctrines insight the text and false what the text say. It's normal because they take their theology as the True. I praise God to release me from that!!!
an35tares 2 weeks ago
@an35tares
I remember when I believed in pre-trib, the twists I would put on a simple scripture, or even when I'd read a scripture, yet overlook what was really being said. It's like a block or a blinder covers the eyes so that even though you read something, it's almost like it's not there, which we've encountered countless times with those both you and I have spoken with.
I never realized I was doing it myself until the Lord allowed me to see what I'd been missing. It was like...
Myhopeisinhim 2 weeks ago
when he struck Paul on the road to Damascus. Paul could no longer deny what he was seeing or ignore the truth when he was knocked to the ground with it. That's how I felt, I felt like the ground was pulled out from under me.
It's a hard doctrine to let go of, and nothing we say will convince them otherwise until they see the verse that the Lord needs them to see that will cause the scales to fall away.
Myhopeisinhim 2 weeks ago
@Myhopeisinhim Hi myhope! You know it's my experience too. I was hooked on adventist doctrine. For me it was the true and and nothing could take away this truth that I considered beautiful. Even after my censure (because I worked on Friday evening to get bread on the table), I reiterated my faith in the Adventist doctrine forcefully. I told them that I fought for this doctrine and that I will continue to fight for it. But I was wrong...
an35tares 2 weeks ago
@Myhopeisinhim 1 week later, the holy spirit open my eyes and see the biblical text as it was. And I said WOW (I reading galatians 3). Like I wanted to obey God, I accepted and after it was revelation on revelation... I was like Paul too (I say that when I speak before to persons. I sat on my horse of true untill I met Jesus in my inner being. There I felt from my horse and the holy spirit washing me of more 20 years of falses doctrines. I had believed in a false sola scritura.
an35tares 2 weeks ago
@Myhopeisinhim But I did not stay on this revelation. I searched for answers and confirmations for three years. I go up historical documents until the 1st century. I wanted to know and the experience was wonderful despite the difficulty of the road. Today I say check what you are told and take the biblical text as it is. It is the commentary of the Holy Spirit. It is unfortunate that often we put our faith on interpretations placed on texts rather than the text itself.
an35tares 2 weeks ago
@Myhopeisinhim At the time I thought it was the truth. But I was wrong. I had been seduced by the appearance of truth. Everything seemed logical and I cried. You know Jesus is the most beautiful revelation of the Father and living truth that is never heard. This story of the incarnation (The two natures in one person) was the cornerstone of the whole doctrine of Paul. God bless you my hope!
an35tares 2 weeks ago
@an35tares
Thanks for sharing your road:) I believed in a pre-trib rapture for over 20 years, no one could sway me from it. I considered it to be that blessed hope, such a wonderful truth that I wouldn't let anyone take away.
Then one day, I read 2 Peter 3:10, and saw that the term thief in the night referred to the day of the Lord that occurred at the end of the tribulation when I had always believed that the term thief in the night had to refer to the pre-trib and was taught...
Myhopeisinhim 2 weeks ago
that it couldn't refer to the day of his return at the end because we all knew when that was....at the end of the seven years so since we knew when that was it couldn't possibly be that and yet here it was right in front of me, staring right back at me.
I didn't immediately give up my belief, but it did cause me to enter into a deeper search, asking the holy Spirit to open my eyes to what he wanted me to know. I started looking at everything pertaining to his coming and our...
Myhopeisinhim 2 weeks ago
gathering and the day of the Lord. One particular passage he led me to was Rev 10:7 and 1 corinthians 15:52 that speaks about the mystery of the Lord occurring at the last trumpet. Every time we hear about the gathering, we would hear about his coming too. After various studies when I finally returned to 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3, I read it with new understanding without twisting it, I just read it as it was given, and it said, his coming and our gathering occurs after ...
Myhopeisinhim 2 weeks ago
the antichrist is revealed. Eventually, every reason I believed in a pre-trib rapture was turned upsidedown. Take for example the verse that is used that we are not appointed to wrath but to obtain salvation. I realized I could not use that to prove a pre-trib rapture, especially if I believed people could be saved during the tribulation and live to reign with Christ because we know they wouldn't be subject to his wrath simply because they were still here...
Myhopeisinhim 2 weeks ago
Since they are saved as we are, they wouldn't be subject to his wrath so then what did that verse mean and it sent me on another journey.
After about a year of struggling with this back and forth, I finally realized that I could no longer hold to a pre-trib rapture belief even as much as I wanted to.
God bless
Myhopeisinhim 2 weeks ago
@Myhopeisinhim I see you comment all the time and I am glad you are out beating the pavement with the TRUTH. I hope you never let the pre-tribbers get you down because I know they will try. Eddie Nickels
NickelsBuckingBulls 2 weeks ago
@myhopeisinhim Of course I agree with that. But my point is that the tribulation period is God's wrath being poured out on planet earth. The Bible says that God didn't appoint us to any wrath.
harrypotterification 1 month ago
You guys really need to quit being so condemning. Just because you watch a stupid little fiction movie doesn't mean you love the world. God's wrath is not going to be poured out because you watch fiction movies. It's going to be poured out on those who have rejected Jesus Christ and those who get saved, but yet still live like the devil.
harrypotterification 1 month ago
@1954phyllis I know my Bible and I also know those verses.
harrypotterification 1 month ago
@MrPeltman All you're doing is take that verse out of context.
harrypotterification 1 month ago
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1 Thess 5:9 does say that we are not appointed to wrath... but where does it say that in order to not receive wrath that we, in the context of this passage, will be taking out of the world? It doesnt. Is God not able to protect us from wrath in the midst of it? The Israelites, listened to God's word spoken by Moses, applied the lamb's blood appropriately and thus when the destroyer came the israelites werent harmed... in the midst of the wrath of God against egyptians.
MrPeltman73 1 month ago in playlist Rapture
Fab Five Freddie told me everybody's fly, DJ's spinning I said my, my Flash is fast, Flash is cool, Francois sais pas, Flashe no deux
VoxJoxx 1 month ago
Bullcrapola!
ruffaz24 1 month ago
There will be a pre tribulation rapture although many who claim to be Christians will not be going. My guess is you do not believe in it because you will be left behind.
BlueAeroCinnamon 1 month ago
@BlueAeroCinnamon Amen!!!!!
1954phyllis 1 month ago
@BlueAeroCinnamon
Why do you believe in a pre-trib rapture? Were you raised in a church that does, or started attending a church that taught it? Or did you without any outside influence come to that conclusion yourself when reading the scriptures? If so, what verse do you believe teaches this? As opposed to Jesus and Paul putting the gathering after the man of sin is revealed?
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
Here is one reason why we believe in the pretribulation rapture.
For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thessalonians 5:9 NIV)
harrypotterification 2 months ago
@harrypotterification 1 Thess 5:9 does say that we are not appointed to wrath... but where does it say that in order to not receive wrath that we, in the context of this passage, will be taking out of the world? It doesnt. Is God not able to protect us from wrath in the midst of it? The Israelites, listened to God's word spoken by Moses, applied the lamb's blood appropriately and thus when the destroyer came the israelites werent harmed... in the midst of the wrath of God against egyptians.
MrPeltman73 1 month ago in playlist Rapture
@harrypotterification
Would you not agree that that verse is about all christians every where in every time, even those who have gone on before and not lived to see the great tribulation? We have all been saved through Christ because he calmed the wrath of God and reconciled us with him. We can now live with him forever instead of facing an eternity without God.
That verse says nothing about avoiding tribulation, or about being raptured before the tribulation.
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
Funny how people take Harry Potter so seriously.
harrypotterification 2 months ago
Cont.. This will be on a Feast of Tabernacle as they exchange their earthly tents for the heavenly. Feast of Trumpets is when the two witnesses call the congregation together, then the earthquake just after the witnesses go up where the 7,000 devout Jews reserved by God 1Kings19:18,Romans10:4,Rev.11:13 die, then the seventh trump soundsRev.11:15,Rev.10:7. and the sons of God are born and caught up Rev.12:5. Jesus was born on the Feast of Tabernacles, and so will his holy body in his likeness!
afaithfulone4you 2 months ago
The seventh trump sounds and heavenly Jerusalem births the body of Christ,the Man Child, son's of God Rev.12:1-6.The are caught up to God's throne and satan is cast down to earth for the last 3-1/2 yrs of the Great Tribulation.Rev 19 Jesus returns with the elect that were caught up in Rev 12:5.
Mark 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN.
NO TRUMPET,NO MOURNING,SECRET
afaithfulone4you 2 months ago
@39RaptureReady It's a great thing that you love the Lord and you're doing your best to do his will. But Harry Potter is not considered real witchcraft. I really don't like it when people try to judge me just because of the movies I watch. That has nothing to do with repenting and asking the Holy Spirit to cleanse your heart. I am a sinner just like everyone else, and the only reason I know I'm going to Heaven is because I have been saved. Movies do not determine whether I'm going to Heaven or
harrypotterification 3 months ago
@harrypotterification Harry Potter is a wizard therefore He is into witchcraft. A Christian shouldn't be involved with witchcraft and God also says that we are not to love the world.
1954phyllis 2 months ago
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"Harry Potter is a wizard therefore He is into witchcraft. A Christian shouldn't be involved with witchcraft and God also says that we are not to love the world."
Lol it's a fantasy book.
Should I not watch any fantasy because it promotes witchcraft.
Scooby Doo must be possessed because dogs can't speak.
See what I mean? Nothing wrong with wanting to live a holier life.But where do you draw the line,the rabbit hole is literally endless.Why live in paranoia and fear.
richiefranklin76 2 months ago
@1954phyllis - Agreed, the True Church is not to love this world...for we/the true church are not of this world. If you love this world...then you don't love God.
GeminiPDX 1 month ago
@39RaptureReady That is not even witchcraft. And you have no business pointing out my flaws like that.
harrypotterification 3 months ago
@harrypotterification Ephesians 4:15-18 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ; From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. ..ye henceforth walk not ..Gentiles walk ..vanity of mind...understanding darkened,..alienated from God..blindness of their heart;
39RaptureReady 3 months ago
I knew this on the national youth prophetic conference – that children of God are not going to be raptured before the tribulation period – the Great and Terrible day of the Lord (His second coming). Because on that time that’s when our light will shine, when more darkness covers the earth. But let it be Lord, we will stand as warriors, your end-time army. Hallelujah to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. The enemy has been defeated. He has already won. And He shall reign forever!
livingforgod17 3 months ago
OH, ps...The TAG NAME DOESN'T MEAN WHAT YOU THINK........NOT FOR HIM, AGAINST HIM BUT EVERYONE THINKS IT MEANS FOR HIM BUT IT WAS ONLY A GAMER TAG IN THE BEGINNING. IT MEANS HE TRYS TO RECRUIT BUT WILL BE SHOCKED
SatansShockTroop 3 months ago
I think you are spot on and these phoney preachers will say anything to get our money and tells us what we want to hear
THANK YOU THANK YOU.......THANK YOU
SatansShockTroop 3 months ago
There is really no evidence in the Bible concerning whether or not we will be raptured out at the beginning or the middle of the tribulation period. But read Revelation chapter 4 and you'll understand why we think it'll be at the beginning of the period.
harrypotterification 4 months ago
@harrypotterification hey if your name has anything to do with what you love then you may need to ask the Lord to show you the truth about the Harry Potter series...if you r a Christian and you read those books; you may have opened up yourself to a spirit of disobedience and may be under a spell of sorts. I'm not talking about anything about the rapture or revelations. I just notice you intro name and it's not a good one. Harry is a male witch, did you know that??? If you did repent if not pray.
39RaptureReady 3 months ago
@harrypotterification You really need to read 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17.
1954phyllis 1 month ago
Actually the timing of a pre, mid, or post tribulation resurrection (rapture) of the elect aren't taught in scripture. According to Jesus, His coming will come after the sun moon and stars go out (6th seal) (Mat. 24:29, Rev 6:12-14) sometime after the middle of the seven years (70th week of Daniel) (Dan. 9:27, Mat. 24:15) no man knows the exact day or hour (Mat. 24:36)
paulbortolazzo 4 months ago
This Beck's beer is giving me some rotten farts!
Katzarse 4 months ago
@Katzarse be not found a drunkard for God hates a drunkard but repent of your foolish ways and he will give you a heart of love and hope.
39RaptureReady 3 months ago
I don't know whether to believe this rubbish that you are talking, or whether to believe what scientists tell us, that the earth will carry on for another 5 billion years until the sun explodes.
adamclark1972uk 4 months ago
@adamclark1972uk Until scientist can acknowledge that the earth and our universe came from something and wasn't out of nothing; I will never give them any regard. For something has to always come from something. You can't have something be birth without someone or something birthing it. God said, Let there be Light....the big bang aka creation is explained in Genesis and lucifier's seed line will continue to make people blind to simple truth and I mean it's so simply that people look over it.
39RaptureReady 3 months ago
Rapture is gonnna happen before the anti christ comes to power god bless but we will not be here for the trib no sir!!!!
coolwilliam4 4 months ago
@coolwilliam4 Actually Jesus places His coming for us after He opens the 6th seal, sometime in the 2nd half of the 7 years, no man knows the exact day or hour (Mat. 24:15, 26-31, Rev. 6:12-17, 7:9-14)!The Antichrist and his armies (Luke 21:20) will invade Jerusalem before the rapture of the church (Mat 24;15, 30-31, 2 Thes. 2:1-4). May we be ready to overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony! (Rev. 12:11)
paulbortolazzo 4 months ago
@coolwilliam4 Let's just be ready at all times church family and keep on trusting Jesus. We know we all don't or seem to not be able to figure out exactly his day or hour when he will come so, the safest way is to let the Holy Spirit keep us until the day of redemption. Us fussing about the day he will come is just confusion. We know if we live for him we shall see him in his coming which ever time. If we are he's he will never forsake us..there's just where I am now in these last days.
39RaptureReady 3 months ago
Fucking stupid.
ES350ES350 5 months ago
@ES350ES350 I hope you are not a Christian regarding those words you just expressed and if so REPENT and ask the Father to create in you a clean heart and renew aright spirit within you. Remove from you a wicked tongue and led and guide you into ALL truth. Walk in him and then you will be okay with whatever man says, be not moved because of disagreements with fellow believers.
39RaptureReady 3 months ago
@39RaptureReady I said before now I say again: "Stupid"
ES350ES350 3 months ago
personally i think there is scripture to back up everything. The main thing everyone should be preaching is that salvation is not based on ones view of a rapture but that of having Christ as Lord and Savior. Without that in the hearts of men there will not be any going home with Him....To live is Christ to die is gain......
cash4medaily 5 months ago
@cash4medaily you know at the end of the day this is what the Lord what's from all of us to be feeling in our hearts...we do not know the day nor the hour but we do know. that if we hold to the faith we will receive our crown whether through death or before death for some. the point is safety is in holding fast to you faith in Jesus and never given up that; we will know the truth as things progress but until then we must stay focus on the Cross and the power it has given us to walk in Victory.
39RaptureReady 3 months ago
If people followed 2Tim 2:15 as instructed, they would understand more.
1Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain (Matt 13:30, barn) shall be caught up together with them in the clouds*, to meet the Master in the air*: and so shall we ever be with the Master.
*Clouds G3507: the cloud which led the Israelites in the wilderness
*Air G109: the air, particularly the lower and denser air as distinguished from the higher and rarer air
MinisterQuietBuck 5 months ago
@MinisterQuietBuck Jesus Christ RECEIVES us in the Rapture, we go TO HIM. At the end of the Great Tribulation, He sends His ANGELS to "gather" all who is alive when He comes back WITH us. You surely need to read more of the Bible & stop listening to & watching misleading tapes & teachers. MARANATHA
JesusHoldMyHand1 5 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1: Does Pro 10:30, Psalm 37, Ez 13:20, John 17:15, Matt 13:30 lie? Can the Word lie, Jn 17:17? Have you followed 2Tim 2:15 and defined 1Thess 4:17? Why do you fail 1Tim 5:1? Heb 13:17? Rom 13:6? Read Ez 13, Father Himself is against those who teach the rapture. Do you actually desire for Father to be against you? Stop listening to men in buildings teaching the Jesuit fable invented 384 yrs ago aka the rapture. Do your studies and follow scripture.
MinisterQuietBuck 5 months ago
@MinisterQuietBuck There was NO CHURCH in the Old Testament. Jesus Christ is LORD of the Old Testament & The New. The Bride comes back WITH Christ Revelation 17:14; Revelation 19:7-20
JesusHoldMyHand1 5 months ago
Very well explained uploader !!
drdadyoh 7 months ago
THERE WILL BE NO RAPTURE PERIOD!
thetruthisoutnow 7 months ago
@thetruthisoutnow Jesus gave us 2 short parables about the Rapture. Would you please take just a few minutes to read:
Matthew 25:1-13
Matthew 24:36-44
God will Bless everyone who understands. MARANATHA
JesusHoldMyHand1 7 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1: Yes, Messiah spoke in parables often. But only those with ears will understand. Matt 25:1-13 is the virgins. This pertains to Father's name YHWH, not a rapture (/watch?v=3dmTnyTkxJk). Matt 24:36-44 is talking about when Messiah returns, it will be w/o warning. And those not of Father will be removed. Just like Matt 13:30 states the tares are gathered to burn. You want to be counted worthy to remain (/watch?v=pw22-sScLiM)
MinisterQuietBuck 5 months ago
@MinisterQuietBuck Jesus Christ is the BRIDEGROOM, NOT the Father.
JesusHoldMyHand1 5 months ago
@thetruthisoutnow Oh, there's definately a Rapture before Revelation 4:1, but you probably won't be in it. Good Luck to you.
JesusHoldMyHand1 7 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1: There is no rapture, Pro 10:30, Ez 13:20, Psalm 37 and John 17:15 cannot lie. If you follow 2Tim 2:15 and open a Concordance for 1Thess 4:17. One realizes Clouds = Pillar of Fire from Exodus and Deut and Air means lower, not higher air. For there is a 2nd exodus, not a rapture. quote "but you probably won't be in it, good luck to you". Is that following James 2:8, Gal 5:14, Heb 12:14, Rom 13:10? Might want to study the milk before you attempt the meat, Heb 5:12.
MinisterQuietBuck 5 months ago
@MinisterQuietBuck
What I learned from debating with those who believe in the pre-trib rapture is that no matter how much witnesses you give them, they will never even consider that there might be a possibility that they are wrong.
They hold on so tight to the percepts of men, is scary.
You are right, the Bible is right, G_D is right.
They will be no rapture before trib.
I guess that the only way for them to see it, is when they realize that they will be going through it with the rest of us
hammerandnails777 5 months ago
@hammerandnails777 A Post Trib timing of the coming of the Son of Man is just a false as pre trib. Jesus taught neither.
paulbortolazzo 4 months ago
@hammerandnails777 The safest way to be is always being ready for Him. to not love this world and to hold fast to our Faith. Then we know whenever he comes we will be found worthy. we must get in the business of not loving this worldly stuff and looking up then and only then will we have peace amongst saints. I'm just determined to not love this world and I will not put my efforts towards treasures on this earth.
39RaptureReady 3 months ago
@hammerandnails777 Oh yes there will be a pre-trib rapture.
1954phyllis 1 month ago
@lmao1776 If you sure then.
Thegreyraccoon 7 months ago
Jesus comes as a thief in the night (quickly, suddenly, quietly) VS Jesus comes in Great Power & Glory & EVERY will see Him...Jesus comes when we LEAST expect Him (eating & drinking; marrying & giving in marriage; buying & selling; planting & building) VS 100# hailstones, nuclear war, massive earthquakes/starvation, plagues, boils from the sun, all mountains & islands disappear, oceans turn to blood & everything dies, all greenery burned & a satanic madman is cutting people's heads off....
JesusHoldMyHand1 7 months ago
"...As it was in the Days of Noah, so it WILL be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days BEFORE the flood, people were eating & drinking, marrying & giving in marriage....Therefore keep watch because you do NOT know on what day your Lord will come....So you also must be READY, because the Son of Man WILL come at an hour when you do NOT expect Him." Matthew 24:36-44 In the Days of Lot, people were eating & drinking, buying & selling, planting & building. Luke 17:28 KEEP WATCHING
JesusHoldMyHand1 8 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 you see thats what peope against the rapture don't see, i mean how are you going to be eating drinking and making merry when the people are telling the stones fall on us. I believe in a rapture but i believe many who think they will be taken will not be taken. Because Jesus would not say watch, he would say i will try you by fire in tribulation to make you ready.
Thegreyraccoon 7 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Type O, Jesus said watch, not i will try you by fire in the great tribulation.
Thegreyraccoon 7 months ago
@Thegreyraccoon You may be going to be tried by fire, but His Church won't be. We love, worship, accept Jesus Christ as our Savior & we'll be with Him. PRAISE THE LORD!!!
JesusHoldMyHand1 7 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 you don't even get the point i am on your side,i said the samething, thus at the bottom i said i made a type O- Well if that's how it must be, So be it.
Thegreyraccoon 7 months ago
@Thegreyraccoon I'm sorry. The way I read your post was that you were saying I was going to be tried by the fire in the Great Tribulaiton. Well then, thank you for your post and explaining what it meant. I appreciate it. MARANATHA
JesusHoldMyHand1 7 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Don't worry it's fine we all makes mistakes,, i'm saying that he would say that but what he said was, i go to make a place for you and if i go to make a place for you, i will have you to my self and you will be where i am.
Thegreyraccoon 7 months ago
@Thegreyraccoon I quote it all the time John 14:1-3 Please don't consider this arguing. Thanks
JesusHoldMyHand1 7 months ago
In Revelation 5:6 Jesus looks like a Lamb as if it had been slain....In Revelation 19:12 He's wearing many Crowns. I am going to see that Lamb of God, The King of the Jews, The Messiah of Israel, Savior of the World, receive His Majestic, Glorious Crowns, not the one that made Him bleed. I will be at the Wedding Supper of the Lamb, AFTER the Wedding Ceremony BEFORE He returns. Rev. 19:7-10. I'm so sorry many of you are going to miss this WONDERFUL event....Keep your Bibles near you.....PTL
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
In Rev 9:5 This says that the locusts will last 5 months. Do you think the rapture will happen on the Feast of Trumpets just before the Day of the Lord and the Return on Yom Kippur 1yr and 10 days later? Could the Day of the Lord (Yom Kippur) last 1 year and 10 days in order to allow for this 5 months?
6kids4girls2boys 9 months ago
@6kids4girls2boys A picture of the Rapture is in Revelation 4:1. The actual Rapture is 1Thessalonians 4:13-18. It happens BEFORE Jesus opens any Seal Judgments. He will remove His Bride, Holy Ones, Believers, Saints, Church so we can receive our rewards & Crowns at the Judgement Seat of Christ, watch the Coronation of Christ, go to the Wedding Supper of the Lamb, then come back WITH Jesus at His 2nd Coming. Revelation 17:14 & 19:7-15. When Christ returns, He is wearing MANY Crowns....PTL
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 I would be interested in your thoughts after watching youtube.com/user/hiswaysarehigher#p/u/2/pJs8h5RagIE
6kids4girls2boys 9 months ago
@eddienickels1 You are definately "blind", "deaf" & have a cold stoney heart. I hope the Holy Spirit will change all of that for you when you go through the Great Tribulation.
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
This is a wonderful faithful message, true to the Holy Scriptures.
The truth about the Post-Tribulation Resurrection-Rapture is hated by the harlot Church and the Dominionist Church now unifying with the world system in these latter days.
Please Google "Post Tribulation Rapture" or go to
EndTimePilgrim . org / posttribrap . htm
May we see more videos like this, and people who are not afraid to go beyond commercial contract grade christianity and speak out for blood covenant Christianity.
GavinFinley 9 months ago
@eddienickels1 Did you continue reading Rev. 11. See the "Come up Here"??? (Just like in Revelation 4:1) They are part of the 144,002 that are RAPTURED during the Great Tribulation. NO ONE ELSE. Maybe you'll finally start reading the Scriptures (like Rev. 11) that I gave you MONTHS ago. I'm not making anything up. It's ALL in the BIBLE. I only asked you quite a few time to READ it.
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
@eddienickels1 You're right. They CELEBRATE because they think they killed 2 of God's Greatest Preachers. Those people HATE God. I see you're probably going to celebrate right there with them, huh???
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
You've got the infallible word of god that cannot be misinterpreted but you cannot agree what it says.
Count me out.
philipem01 9 months ago
dont wast your time on this your throwing your life away
j341264 9 months ago
unless u make a living by reading the bible to some naive followers - don't waste your time looking for answers there
simple truth:
God (if exists) - does not care
Jesus (if based on real figure) - been dead for a long time
If you want to be a good person and have fulfilling life - dont live in fear of God - just be humanitarian and do good deeds to your fellow humans, and all beings.
Live your life in such way that when you die you don't leave just a pile of shit behind you
tracyofbg 9 months ago
well we're not dead. all of us must be going to heaven.
cddeguit83 9 months ago
May 21, 2011 is the last day of salvation and the first day if judgment.
You can NOT choose Christ, he has chosen His elect when He was slain at the foundation of the world.
Beg and beseech God for mercy!
Amelieforpresident 9 months ago
It's really sad that so many people think that Christ hates them, therefore they have to go through the Great Tribulation to be "tested" Revelation 3:10. Well, I'll pray for them and hope they make it through. Just remember, the Rapture happens BEFORE Christ opens the 1st Seal (intoduction of the antichrist). We will be in Heaven, just like Revelation 4:1-5, receiving our Crowns, watching the Coronation of Christ & going to the Wedding Supper of the Lamb. Christ comes back wearing MANY Crowns!
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1, We have not been promised to be protected from tribulation. We have been promised to suffer as Christ suffered and to arm ourselves likewise. We are told that ALL who live Godly will suffer persecution. The pretrib theorists ALWAYS twist , add, figure, reason that lie wrenching it from the scriptures. If we read the Bible exactly as it is written, we will not do that so we can get what we want. Tribulation is not the same as WRATH.
GodsSeer 9 months ago
@GodsSeer Well, I'll be praying for you when you're going through the Great Tribulation. I'll be in Heaven receiving my Crown & Rewords. Keep your Bible with you at all times. It's going to get very bloody & gory down here from Jesus' Judgments & Wrath (including the antichrist)....which are going to fall upon the whole world as a test. Revelation 3:10
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 .There is only ONE second coming of Christ. If your faith cannot receive miracles now, you will not be ready to deny the mark of Islam, the beast. If your faith is not strong enough to receive miracles THEN, you will not make it. The tribulation begins when Israel SIGNS A PEACE TREATY WITH MANY NATIONS for a seven year period. Joh 14:12 ¶ "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do.
GodsSeer 9 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 , Bloody? Gory? Do You know how all the disciples died? Many Christians today are dying the same way. If You think you are exempt from suffering and persecution, you are looking for lies. Show me one verse that says Jesus Christ will return two more times, please. What does this mean?; Mt 22:44 'The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool"'? He will sit there UNTIL He comes to destroy His enemies.
GodsSeer 9 months ago
@GodsSeer
All we can do is provide scripture and hopefully someone will actually take the time to read what the word of God really says. I was raised to believe in the pre trib rapture myself but once I found out about the origins of this teaching and read everything that the bible had to say about the tribulation and the second coming, I saw that what I had been taught actually contradicts what is written. I didn't feel tricked or betrayed by God but felt tricked and betrayed by man!
shay5839 9 months ago
@shay5839 Thanks! I was NEVER taught that myth, THANK YHVH. To me is is so absurd. My Bible Teacher also used to believe it until someone asked Him, ''When is the last Trump?'' There cannot be more than one last of anything. But the Bible twisters find ways to add to what Jesus said. There cannot be more than one return of Christ. Amazing how easily we can be deceived when we want or fear something without trusting Him.
GodsSeer 9 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1
I don't think that God hates me. I just have to believe what I have read in the bible as I see it is written. To say that someone must think that God hates them for thinking that we will be here for the tribulation is why I fear for those who think that they will not have to go through it, and seeing that they are, will feel betrayed or tricked by God. God says plainly that we will be here and warns us not to be deceived. It is not his fault if some choose to ignore it.
shay5839 9 months ago
@shay5839
God tells us that the devil will the one bringing on the tribulation and cause us persecution and trials and some will be put to death. The wrath of God will be poured on those who receive the mark or who have rejected God. There is clearly a difference and it is clearly written. It is not in parables and it is not written in a confusing way. It can only be confusing if the reader has another theory that does not match up with what is written.
shay5839 9 months ago
Respond to this video...
Give me scripture to prove that a rapture will happen before the opening of first seal or before the antichrist. I have searched and read so many times and I know that this is not written in the bible. We are not to add or take away from the word of God and people need to be careful about doing this.
shay5839 9 months ago
Rev 14:15 clear as day!!
CROBN 10 months ago
I believe the scoffers [2 Pet 3:3,4] are those who have heard the pretribbers claim that Jesus is returning at any moment for so many years, that when we are still here, in the tribulation, they will be mocking them, saying "You're not supposed to be here, where is your rapture?" I also believe that it is the delusion of a pretrib rapture that will likely cause these same believers to fall away. I urge believers to study the scriptures for themselves, and know for themselves. God bless
sidrojoe 10 months ago
Then I guess the NWO will have their way with the plan to reduce the population of the earth then? Listen, google search for "depopulation plan nwo". I am sorry dude, but there will be a Rapture and you better start getting ready.
ruflychux 10 months ago
I think alot of Christians are going to be very surprised when the Magic Elevator doesn't "rapture" them out of the bad end times. Through out the Bible you read of the bad times happening and the scripture usually says, "AND THEN" shall he come and gather his elect. Or and" AFTER THESE THINGS". Read the Book. I believe that this will be a time of the great falling away, when people finally decide no rapture will take them away and they will lose their faith, going through the end times.
1911HeadBanger 10 months ago
@1911HeadBanger
I agree with you. I think that pretribbers will feel betrayed by God or lied to by God and this will cause them to fall away. God hasn't tricked anyone or lied to anyone. He tells us what will happen and what to expect and if we choose to follow the teachings of men over the teachings of God, that is our own fault. I have had people tell me that the pre trib rapture is true because God would not trick us. It drives me crazy because his word is clear. The devil has tricked them.
shay5839 9 months ago
I was under the impression that those that believe would not experience God's wrath, which is exactly what the seven bowl judgements are. I feel that we are mid-trib raptured. At the seventh trumpet, we'll be removed.
cporter73 10 months ago
@cporter73 The 7th Trumpet is blown by an angel and is a Trumpet of Judgment. Read Revelation 1:10 & 4:1. Jesus' VOICE sounds "like a Trumpet". That will be the same Trumpet Call of God in 1Thessalonians 4:13-18. We will be with Jesus while HIS Judgments & Wrath are being poured out on the whole, unbelieving, unrepentant world. We will receive our Crowns & Rewards, watch the Coronation of Christ, go to the Wedding Supper of the Lamb, then come back WITH Him at His 2nd Coming. MARANATHA
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Thanks for the scriptures to look up. I really hope that you are correct, I'd hate to have to live through any of the judgements.... now we just have to pray for the salvation of many loved ones... :(
cporter73 10 months ago
@cporter73 You're welcome. BTW, you can also look up these if you want to. Revelation 17:14, 19:7-15; Jude 14-15; 1Thessalonians 1:10; 5:9; Romans 5:9 We are the Bride of Christ; His Holy Ones; His Church; His Saints; His Believers & even though we go through many trials & tribulations in our lifetimes, He will come for us to take us Home, BEFORE the antichrist is revealed. We are experiencing stronger birth pains (pangs), but I do believe it will get much worse. Love the Lord MARANATHA
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
Well I hope your faith is strong so when the tribulation happens, youll be able to discern the anti christ from true God. If your rapture does not happen will your faith save you? Will your faith be able to withstand persecution and a beheading? The lord will come but after the trbulation.The lord is not easy When he comes back it is for all his people, not some. What happens before 24:31? your missing the entire book of revelations. chapter 24 does not come bofore chapter 13, it is after.
castersen13 10 months ago
@castersen13 My faith has always been very strong, but you need to understand one thing. I will be in the Rapture, BEFORE the Tribulation, so I have nothing to worry about. Beheading???? That's happening right now in many places around the world. But, you don't need to worry about me. I'll be in Heaven with My Lord & Savior before it's worldwide. Good Luck to you if you're down here then.
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
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castersen13 10 months ago
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@JesusHoldMyHand1 Pre tribulation rapture Its a very comdfortable doctrine to believe in.This doctrine is not from god and it is not biblical.Your right it is happening around the world and the NWO is secretly controlling the world.We have a global system of goverment already.Its secret. The only thing missing is the anti christ. We are starting the tribulation right now. There is no rapture. Persecution and death is coming prepare your faith because you might be fooled by the antichrist.
castersen13 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Take a look around? Earthquakes back to back, sunamis, civil unrest in europe, the middleeast is blowing in war and unrest , famine, economic turmoil around the world. Nations are turning on Israel.We are starting the tribulation. All the pieces of the chess board are set up. Now we are waiting for Satan to make his move.Prepare because you will need all time to build up your faith and walk with the lord.. Time is running out
castersen13 10 months ago
@castersen13 Right, we have been living in The Tribulation for quite a long time, but since the Rapture hasn't happened yet, the antichrist can NOT be revealed. That will happen after the Rapture when Jesus opens the 1st Seal of His Judgments & Wrath (the antichrist is the 1st Seal). We don't know how much harder these "birth pains (pangs) are going to get, or how much closer they'll be. It could go on this way for a few more years yet, & I suspect it will. All the date setters are WRONG!!!
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Wear is the scripture for this so called rapture.The second coming of christ is at the end. Read the entire revelations from chapter to chapter. Is chapter 24 after or before chapter 13? Where is the scripture for the rapture at the breaking of the first seal? Give me the scripture please. I really hope you your faith is strong enough to resist the antichirst. Your right it is all of Gods timing.But Satan has not appeared yet. I was reffering 2 thess2:2
castersen13 10 months ago
@castersen13 For 50+ years I have read the Book of Revelation. Friend, I have quoted you Scripture after Scripture & all you want to do is refute the Bible, the Sacred Word of God. Go back and read all the postings I have made to you. Read them slowly. One by one. Think about it for a couple of days. Then ask yourself this question: Why does Jesus hate me so much??? The Great Tribulation is God's punishment on those who HATE Him. How many times do they REFUSE to repent?? Over & over....
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1
Don't you see that thinking that God must hate us for allowing us to go through the tribulation is what the devil wants us to believe? I know that I am not twisting scripture of trying to refute the bible at all. I just cannot ignore what it really says. From childhood to adulthood I was taught to believe in the pre trib rapture, but as an adult, I am suppose to read and study the word of God for myself and take what is written as the truth. Whether I like the truth or not.
shay5839 9 months ago
@castersen13 The Rapture is 1Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1Corinthians 15:50-54; John 14:1-4 & Revelation 4:1-5 Jesus' VOICE sounds LIKE a TRUMPET: Revelation 1:10 & 4:1 Read Revelation 3:10, he's going to keep His called, chosen & FAITHFUL Believers FROM (which also means "out of") the time of testing that is to come upon the WHOLE, UNBELIEVING, UNREPENTANT World. It will be the Time of Jacob's Trouble which will include the WHOLE WORLD. And satan won't APPEAR until AFTER the Rapture of the Saints
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 I am not going to argue anymor about this topic. I am sure there is no rapture Becuase it is not in the word of god. You can use two or three verses here and there, but when you put them in context with the chapters, The rapture theory prooves to be folly.This rapture theory will decieve a lot people because they wont be ready when the antichrist is here.I am a watchman and I will sound the alarm when the time comes. Hopefully you will hear my whisle when it blows.
castersen13 10 months ago
@castersen13 Greek - HARPAZO - Latin - RAPERE - Meaning: to snatch away quickly or caught up 1Thessalonians 4:13-18
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Again this happens towards the end of the tribulation. 1Thessalonians4:13-18 is the second coming of the messiah.But the question is when? When will be come on a cloud with a shout of a Archangel? revelations makes it clear it is at the end when the seventh trumpet.
castersen13 10 months ago
@castersen13 No it isn't the 2nd Coming. If that were the case, all those living at the end of the Great Tribulation would be changed & meet Christ "in the air." Christ sends His ANGELS to "gather them". Matthew 24:31. They will enter the 1,000 year reign of Christ ALIVE. If that were the 2nd Coming, those KILLED during the Tribulation would "meet Christ in the air", but they DON'T. They are only resurrected. Rev. 20:2-4 The 7th Trumpet is a JUDGMENT Trumpet, blown an angel, NOT MICHAEL
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
@castersen13 Millions of people who MISS the Rapture are going to Accept Christ during the Great Tribulation. As a matter of fact, many of them are already Christians, but as Revelation 17:14 states, only the called, chosen & FAITHFUL followers will return WITH Him. Those backsliding Christians & new Converts are going through the GREAT TRIBULATION which starts when Jesus opens the 1st Seal - the introduction of the antichrist. He's a man who "comes in peace" and kills many.
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
@castersen13 Don't the words "Therefore, comfort one another with these words." 1Thessalonians 4:18 mean anything to you? During all the earthquakes, nuclear war, 100lb hailstones, famine, water turned into blood, total destruction (almost annihilation) + a demonic man and followers are trying to cut everyone's head off, the time you are going to comfort one another?? Your whole family is running for their lives, with no where to run to. No, we are conforting each other right now.
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1
I believe that the comfort is suppose to come from the eternal life with God that we will have. Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of heaven and we are told that many times also. We will not escape death of our flesh and blood bodies. It is our resurrected body that will have eternal life.
shay5839 9 months ago
@castersen13 Argue??? Then don't post to me anymore. I'll pray for you when you're down here & I'm watching the Coronation of Christ, since He comes back WITH us WEARING many Crowns.
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1
That is what worries me about pre trib believers. They believe that the antichrist cannot be revealed until after the rapture, so when he is here, they will not see it because of this belief. Read II Thessalonians 2 because it says that Jesus will not return until after the son of perdition is revealed. It says so many times for us not to be deceived and that he will not come until the end of the tribulation. How can that be ignored and a different claim be made?
shay5839 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1
The date setters are wrong. But please provide scripture to show me that the antichrist cannot be revealed until after the rapture. That is what worries me and why I feel this teaching is a deliberate deception from the devil. If you are here and the mark of the beast starts up, you will go along with it because you will tell yourself that it isn't the mark of the beast because the rapture has not taken you away yet!
shay5839 9 months ago
@castersen13 Your "now we are waiting for satan to make his move", is completely WRONG. He's on a leash from God, & it's God's move (the Rapture) we are waiting for. Satan doesn't know when it's going to happen, since he's a "fallen angel". He can't do anything without God's approval. Satan has chosen hundreds if not thousands of candidates to be the antichrist, but unfortunately, for him, God didn't "make His move", so now he's still wandering & searching, waiting & wondering.........WHEN??
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
I agree there is no pre tribulation rapture. The tribulation will glorify god and it makes no sense why he would take us out. The true will die and face persecution.
castersen13 10 months ago
@castersen13 And as I look down from Heaven, wearing my Crown which I received in the Rapture, I will be praying for you. Too bad you're going to be either "gathered" by Jesus' ANGELS in Matthew 24:31 (you won't meet Christ in the air) or you'll be "resurrected" (never Raptured) in Revelation 20:4-6. Either way, you live through or die during the Great Tribulation (when Jesus opens the 1st Seal), you'll NEVER be Raptured.
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
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castersen13 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1
Do you believe that you will be raptured as a flesh and blood person and never go through a physical death? I am sorry if I am misunderstanding your above comment but it seems to me that this is what you are saying.
shay5839 9 months ago
@castersen13 Glory???? "When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you WILL ALSO appear WITH Him in GLORY." Colossians 3:4 When Christ comes back at His 2nd Coming, we appear IN GLORY WITH HIM, we come WITH Him. Revelation 17:14 I wish you much good luck down here after we're gone, gone with Jesus Christ. Amen
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 2thessalonians1:10 when he comes in that day to be glorified in his saints and to be admired among all those who believe,because our testomony among you was believed.
2 THESSALONIANS 2:3 Let no man decieve you by any means; for that day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed.
Read the whole thing and it is clear. No pre rapture. Im sorry but I hope your not apart of that great falling away when the rapture doesnt happen.
castersen13 10 months ago
@castersen13 That's right. After the Rapture, don't be deceived. Deny God's Word all you want. You're going through the Great Tribulation anyway, so why do you care what I believe or what the Bible tells us? Again, I wish you luck.
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1
How can you add after the rapture to these verses? it does not say that and we are not suppose to add or take away from God's word. I wish you luck and hope that you see how wrong it is to add your own words to scripture. If God wanted those words there, he would have made sure that they were there. They are not.
shay5839 10 months ago
@shay5839 Because the Born Again FAITHFUL Believers of Jesus Christ will be Raptured BEFORE the anti-christ is revealed. Too all those who are left AFTER the Rapture, will need those verses to understand what is going on. MARANATHA
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1
I have read so many comments that provide scripture for you to prove why we believe we will be here through the tribulation. I see that you add your own words, after the rapture to all the scripture that is provided. If I understood you correctly, it seems that you fee thatl you do not even have to go through a physical death. You cannot change God's word based on what makes you comfortable.
shay5839 9 months ago
@shay5839 Well, if you're going through the Great Tribulation, I'll pray for you. Make sure you keep your Bible close to you.
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
@shay5839 Have you gone back for the last 15 pages & read all my comment?? I would do you good to do so, & give MANY, MANY Scriptures to back up my comments!
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
@shay5839 "Two men will be in the field: one will be taken, the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill: one will be taken, the other left. Therefore, keep watch because you do NOT know on what day your Lord will come." Matthew 24:40-42 also in Luke I don't know what you're going to be doing during the Great Tribulation, but I can guarantee that NO one will be working, grinding, having parties (like in Noah's day) or the like, since they will be full-scale war, famine, etc
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 You're totally right. I try to tell this to all of my post trib believing friends. Many of them are ignorant of these verses and they don't fully understand what is planned during the tribulation for believers in Christ. They don't understand pain and think they're going to be martyrs for Christ. It gives them a strange sense of pride to say this.
Rigotto90 9 months ago
@Rigotto90 I know how you feel. It's not they are ignorant, they don't read all the Scriptures. Also, there are a LOT of misinforming videos, tapes & misguided preachers that are fueling the fire. All we can do is quote Scripture, trying to tell them that Christ IS coming for "His Own" BEFORE His Judgments & Wrath are poured out on the whole unbelieving, UNREPENTANT world. The Rapture is NOT a soul damning doctrine. They'll be in the Rapture anyway, BEFORE Jesus opens the 1st Seal.
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
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@JesusHoldMyHand1you still have not showed me one verse where it talk's about Jesus' coming that it is plural tense you can not it is always singular tense you canot find one verse because it not written you never read in the scriptures about his comings or returns it always come Lord Jesus singular tense
thetruthimpart 10 months ago
"And when the Chief Shepherd APPEARS, you will receive the Crown of Glory that will never fade away." 1Peter 5:4
The 24 elders of Revelation 4:1-5 HAVE their Crowns. The only way they received them was in the Rapture when all the FAITHFUL Believers are Raptured with them. MARANATHA Come soon Lord Jesus
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
The rapture is false doctrine that comes from the Jesuits. It was created as part of the counter-reformation.
FAITHandLOGIC 11 months ago