Apocalypse Now Redux: America created the Viet Mihn Part 2

[MidnightReaper100]

whats the music at that starts playing 5:26-5:50? it is very faint (& short but i hope it is extended) in this video but when heard properly it is very beautiful yet subtle. i wonder if it is on the OST?

[dhsung91]

@MidnightReaper100 It is indeed on the OST : D Quite a fitting music for subtle moments. Thumbs up.

[Nickohlson]

This French plantation episode totally makes sense in the whole movie. The more he advances up the river, the more madness he finds. In the minds of Americans, the French colonial way of thinking is madness.

Apart from that, being French myself and greatly interested in History, I can say that yes, they tell the truth when they say that the Americans "created" the Viet Mihn. The USA were behind the whole destruction of the French Colonial Empire. That was the price to pay for our "liberation".

[MrFreekbrother]

Love the gentleman's recant of the French drop at Bien Dien Phu. He sounds understandably frustrated, as I imagine a good many French do when reflecting upon Indochine or WWII...

One of the more remarkable scenes in the movie; one I myself did not take in until 31 years following the movie's release, when I checked out the Director's Cut.

[gabriel94220]

That's pretty weird for me to hear french,my own language, in this film. Funny actually. The content of the scene is interesting but it shows the real purpose of the movie explicitely wich doesn't fit with the whole movie in my opinion. And it breaks somehow the journey along the river. I don't understand the revelance of the scene. Anyway "soit gentil de relever le pauvre...". Bonsoir

[AbsurdBrane]

AND i wore the patch of the American in the scene!! MACV. the A was for "assistance".

[AbsurdBrane]

"..while you American are fighting for the biggest Nothing....(3:59..)

That's kind of how I feel about it all these years later as an American who fought there in 1967 and 1968 near Hue.

[guardsatonramps]

Is her last line "If you like we can have some cognac"?

[leometry]

this whole part was boring and was not part of the plot it

[IrishClaudius]

It does not work because Coppola stuck to Milnius's idea of the of wanderer he man on a quest so that he could destroy it from within - who needs an accordion player when you have Hendrix exploding the star spangled banner at the end over the destruction of Kurtz's compound

[victorrain]

I wish I knew what they were saying in French.

[Rzarectar]

Haha oh man, that music after the 5 min mark is the worst. Its like bad final fantasy music or something.lol

[ryanstiles]

yes, but nice if you want to express how lost captain willard is at this point.

I must admit, I liked it.

[shirin2556]

yes, well, perhaps a mistake....

[titowasagoodman1980]

"All you white people are shit" you would expect that to come from a black man or a non-white person-that's the most straightforward line of the scene~it sums up the purpose of the conversation.

[Tazz77]

Forget the politics for a moment. Did anyone else crack up when the chubby guy with the accordion fell down the stairs? Just the sound of it makes me laugh.

[dynoman888]

Didn't notice it until you pointed it out. Yeah, that is funny! LOL! I wonder if they had intended it to happen or if he just fell?

[dhsung91]

@Tazz77 I see a bit of a satire there actually.

[ujbx]

I don't understand the french- whats their point of opposing and contradicting themselves to the rest of the western world. For example if they would have gotten a "healthy" dose of stalinism/communism as we here at the eastern block got I doubt they would have gone out waving red flags and shouting "Viva la Stalin!" while their armed forces were dying in the indochina.

[Ray4Life1]

????

You're a traitor to your people, capitalism has done them a thousand times worse than communism did.

[thx291]

Yes yes it's all America's fault. How terribly enlightening and progressive to keep pitching that line on everything.

As for the sequence itself, it's too long, it's pointless and the sappy music is terribly out of place.

Should have stayed on the cutting room floor.

[TomthatiscalledTom]

One of the great ironies of history, Ho Chi Minh had been an ally of America in WW2 against Imperial Japan and quoted Jefferson in his speech in 1945 in Hanoi. The Americans though he was a lackey of Red China in the worldwide campaign to colour the world coomie red. They failed to do their research and learn that the Vietnamese and Chinese hate each other and the two 'fraternal' communist governnments fought a war against ech other within 4 years of the fall of Saigon.

[arsenicafe]

to me, this whole french scene fits good with the journey of willard. after all, he doesnt really know what to do when he meets kurtz as a soldier (and after all he`s a soldier). this scene shakes his obligation as a soldier since he cant be a pinhead the more he travels closer to kurtz.

[Zobor111]

The war was useless, all it did was wreck our country, create lots of disabled and dead and enemies. All for some rich bastards who made money from it.

[Strider1978]

I'm glad I looked at this scene .. and another, I will stick with the original version. I jsut don't have the time to listen to whiney French people .. I want the dark, surreal journey.

[xXNickPXx]

Yeah this scene makes it more of a movie about the war, which it never really was at the core of everything.

[Varanor]

It's totally about the war under all aspects, if you think otherwise, then you missed the point of Coppola...

[Moredread25]

These whole scenes with the French are useless - they only get into the politics of it and that detracts from what I see is the main point of the movie - Willard's journey into the heart of darkness.

[baskil]

I disagree. If anything, it furthers the idea of the pointlessness of the whole war, and the dualism of Willard.

[Moredread25]

I guess we'll have to disagree. The focus should be more on Willard. We know the war is pointless; we don't need the French to tell us that. Your point about dualism is interesting, but this shows the soft side of Willard that people can relate to more, actually understand because it is the normal human state. You don't need to spend much time on it.

[prplhze2000]

Somehow I think that Willard finally meets a woman that actually understands him and his hell and instead of going home, he comes back here.

[prplhze2000]

yep. I always think that he eventually comes back to her as she is the only one who understands.