Beijing opera came from Kunqu opera, which has been 600 years history, not from korea, actually, I doubt that Korea has even similar opera, what Korea's culture is influenced by China for thousand years
Mei Lan Fang was the best male Chinese opera singer who sang female voice. This is interesting because I just watched a film about the Castrato in Europe. The difference is that Chinese men don't have to go through this cruel procedure as the Castrato did. However, they are still able to sing those high notes. I feel so terrible for the Castrato because the sacrifice was really just too much. Overall, I admire those people who give their whole life for the love of Art.
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Calling an aspect for another culture other than your own as "gay" is ignorant. Shame on you for applying your own virtues and norms to a different culture.
OMG, why's Korean always take credit for everything China has? the Peking opera is originated from Kun opera, which was very popular about 300 hundred years ago in Jiangsu Province(near Shanghai).
OMG, why's Korean always take credit for everything China has? the Peking opera is originated from Kun opera, which was very popular about 300 hundred years ago in Jiangsu Province(near Shanghai).
When Kun and Hui opera went to Beijing to perform for the emperors of Qing Dynasty, they loved it and after couple of hundreds years several local opera joined and reformed as Peking opera, which became a huge hit since the emperors loved it , so the government officials loved it and the commoners loved it. It became the Opera of China.
All Chinese theater was performed by men for centuries because women were not allowed to perform in public. So to play the womans part someone had to be the woman. It was nothing "gay" about it. To portray a womans part and be beleavable was looked on with great respect. It's culture, it's beautiful, exotic and something that should be appreciated, not put down.
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In ancient time, due to strict moral codes, females were not allowed to show their faces on stage in Chinese opera. To solve this problem, male actors were used to take up the female roles in all performances. They did so by dressing up as women and singing with female voices. The tradition carries on in some performances until now. However, in most cases females do perform in opera today.
In the peiking opera - like many asian art performances thoughout the history of China, only men performed. They played both male and female characters. As a matter of fact, the very first geshia to ever perform in as entertainers were men, but tradition gave way to female performers. *(As well the male geshia were called "dobushu" serving tea and entertaining feudal lords during the wars of the Meiji era)*
I was fascinated with a short performance (2 hours) by the Beijing Opera Company in April 2008 in the Liyuan Theatre. Loved it! Going back in October 2010 for more.
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"It's what Chinese should value and what outsiders should learn to value."
Why is it that Chinese are ALWAYS going on and on about how great their culture is, and how the whole world should value their culture, and yet China is so reluctant to reciprocate this cultural appreciation by learning about NON-Chinese arts.
I just recently met a Chinese guy who has never ever HEARD of THE BEATLES or ELVIS. -_-
The Chinese guy you mentioned & a few Aussies that I have encountered who are unaware of Elvis & Beatles could be attributed to their youth, as they were born after their popularity. If you look into China's history, you would know that Western popular culture was unavailable & even barred, esp during Chairman Mao's reign. By the way I'm a Chinese guy who value ALL cultures ! Maybe to prevent becoming a victim of boredom, perhaps you can try to be more interested in the world ?
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1. I've met plenty of non-native-English-speaking young people who know who the Beatles and Elvis are.
2. As for the Cultural Revolution, uh...no shit. How does that in any way contradict with anything I said?
3. I didn't say *all* Chinese. I was referring specifically to mainlanders.
4. I'm never bored; my profile even says so.
5. How does anything I said suggest I'm not interested in the world? My WHOLE POINT was that Chinese aren't interested enough in cultures other than their own.
1. If you've met plenty of non-native-English-speaking young people who know of the Beatles & Elvis, then what's the problem ? Why does it bother that 1 Chinese guy didn't ?
2. The cultural revolution banned all western influences b/c they were deemed decadent.
3. I'm sorry if I had the impression that you meant all Chinese.
4.Your profile name is misleading, if you are never bored, good -o.
5.Generally, from my own experience, Americans are just as disinterested in other cultures.
Sorry, but I still don't quite get how #2 contradicts anything I've said. Not to mention, you keep telling me things I already know. -_-
As for #1, the point is that they were all non-Chinese. As for #5, world music *is* fairly popular there, and they've probably got more "multicultural" celebrations than anywhere else, save for maybe the UK.
Well, I'm not saying this has to be genre-specific. I, too, much prefer classical to The Beatles (of whom I only mildly like) and Elvis (of whom I don't really like at all).
I'm Chinese. I have heard of the Beatles and Elvis.
I don't boast about how great my culture is, but I know it is and am proud of it. I think being proud of one's culture and heritage is a right everyone has - regardless of race.
And, I appreciate non-Chinese arts as well - I love Russian ballet, I listen to classical music, etc., etc. .__.
So please please please don't generalise us based on just a few Chinese that you've meet.
Yes, I am from Hong Kong. But I know quite a number of mainlanders - I go there on at least a monthly basis when I can. But then again, maybe the type of people you know are of a different circle and type.
Also, I am sorry if I have misunderstood you, but it might have been the way you phrased things: you made it sound a bit like (all) Chinese are like that, which I am certain isn't true.
Lastly: pride in one's heritage - be it excess or not - can be seen all over the world. I've seen worse.
Well how many American's have you met that have never heard of the Peking Opera????? Im sure MANY!!!! Have you taken the time to learn why the chinese culture might be so Proud of their culture?
Hello my name is Ezequiel and I am of Buenos Aires Argentina. Them comment that makes a pair of years I have seen film that tries about these personages, that of children are trained with a great life of sacrifices, to be geishas. Now (my grief) I finish giving account of which this is something of the past, and which the Chinese of today is globalised like any country.
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Hi Ezequiel, I'm from Mexico City. geishas are Japanese who were borned in the Pleasure Quarters of the Yoshiwara. Geishas were like servants of the higher prostitutes, but later men discovered it was easier to contract a cheap prostitute to have sex and an elegant lady to talk (a geisha) WITHOUT SEX. Chinese Opera was interreted by eunuchs because, as Kabuki, women were not allowed to perform on stage.
u r the noob, and i'm so sorry that u r such a big one. GEISHAS were not prostitutes, but were born inside the pleasure quarters, they accompanied oiran in the oiran douchu carrying their make up. the exotic stuff is sth that u found in memoirs of a geisha and obviously geisha presentations don't show "sagi musume" of bando tamasaburo
hitting me right where it hurts - calling me a noob! ha, sorry if u got offended, i just got pissed becuz a lot of ppl are under the misconception that all geishas were prostitutes. well i dont think ziyi zhang cud have ever been as gd as tamasaburo... but sagi musume is the part he is most known for. Also, the oiran from the Edo period are what Geishas are descended from... and the first geishas that attended to the oiran were men! but anyway, i am not interested in arguing. so....
@mauricebiology If you're calling these performers geishas, then you're wrong. Geishas are Japanese. This is China. :) Please educate yourself before you tell others too.
i felt that this was poorly. I think if you want to convey a point to the public you should express it proudly and the most professionally as you can.
When i was studying chinese history i was very sad that chairman mao saught to tear down everything reminding him of the old empire. I was very against them removing the emperor. In the final century, the emperor was nothing more than a figurehead anyway. the seat passed no laws nor even cared what happened outside the walls of the forbidden city. but man never leaves well enough alone. that's why you have poor africans being behead in the middle of nowhere. just cuz they're there. shameful
yes and worse. its not news to the western countries. they are only concerned about what happens in the west. as evident by people writing negative comments about this video that is trying to bring to light a dieing artform and the realization of the loss of lots of chinese culture. if i remember mao tse dung had a major book burning too, and put thousands to death.
peking opera is changing and disappearing .less ppl feel like to learn about tranditional culture as western culture has rushed into our society far beyond our expectation. no one wanna see the breakdown of this opera,but ,who knows,if it could not get enough support from the gov or enough attention from our citizens ,it has to be die out,just like millions of other stuffs.
even in the west we consider our own opera as a sign of true class to appreciate it. hopefully peking opera could put this association with it, and people can aspire to have a taste for peking opera. also if they export it and tour overseas they might find western culture appreciate more than at home.
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I guess a bunch of china-lovers have gone around and gave critical comments thumbs down. I mean, not everyone can love this chinese-opera stuff - people have different tastes and opinions. Just because somebody doesn't like chinese opera and you do doesn't mean you have to put them down.
He is very beautiful, I'm glad that he is proud of his culture and is proud to keep an ancient way going strong, too many theatrical masterpieces have been lost by people choosing not to care.
Wow this is beautiful I'd love to see it live. I think that the people who call him a fag really don't know anything. Idzit is right, the men in our country wear makeup and act too. Just because he has a dress on and heavier makeup doesn't mean he's a fag. It's just different culture, and you must be truly bigoted if you call him a fag and don't even know anything about it.
Do you think Arnold Schwarzenegger is a fag too? Or Clive Owen? or perhaps The Rock? They are essentially doing the same thing. They are actors and wear makeup to do their job. You are passing judgment simply because he is wearing a woman's costume. In Elizabethan times, women were forbidden to play in theatre, so men had to do all the parts. Learn yourself some history, and stop being such a canker on the face of humanity.
straight or gay makes no difference. your judgement with many others needs to be changed or you will forever miss the beautiful things in life. your mind, your choice.
Such a wonderful art. I am SO glad that it didn't disappear entirely. After watching "Farwell, My Concubine" awhile ago, my appreciation for the unique beauty of the Chinese opera grew.
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It's just like modern Kabuki and their onnagata-- the males already have established training for performing as a woman so what kind of sense would it be to let actresses in? I'd be curious to know though if China has an all women drama troupe like Takarazuka.
I've got no idea where AlJazeera gets their ridiculous info...
Yes some culture did nearly got wiped out in that strange Cultural Revolution, but today's China value their heritage more than ever!
Just as an example, if China want to get rid of their customs why 1: can you still see these things such as kungfu, taichi, taoism and various others still around? 2: why would China still be applying World Hertiage Sites from the UN if we don't care about them?
The answer is that such things like Wushu, religion and, Kung Qu opera went almost completely underground during the great leap forward and the revolution itself. For almost 20 years. Now they see the error of such "proletariat" behavior.
I know! And every Chinese know! Those 4 masterminds behind the Cultural Revolution used their power to manuplate higher-ups and spreaded all sorts of weird rumours to start this strange incident, but they were just after more power and they were properly dealt with in the end!
China isn't like that anymore! When will people change their stereotypical view of China?
One of my very best friends moved here from Korea 3 years ago. When she was a little girl,her parents had a dog farm.She had to go out and feed & water them before school.The dogs were bred for food like livestock,but they closed down when it became illegal in 1984. I generally feel sqeamish when I see or hear ppl eat anything I've kept as a pet.Dogs,guinea pigs,iguanas,cats,but refrain from criticizing.I eat cow and pig--one considered sacred,one considered dirty,depending on the culture!
wow. first of all, who taught you grammar?? The correct way to say that would be "what are the points of your comments". And second, wtf? If you can't get the point of my comments, GO BACK TO GRADE SCHOOL!
FIRST OF ALL, I'm very good at grammar, so EXCUSE ME if I make a mistake in ONE LITTLE COMMENT. NUMBER 2, I'm trying to get MY point across that if ya hate the vid and are creep out by a beautiful Chinese art, SHARE YOUR OPINIONS SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE THEY ARE ACTUALLY APPRECIATED.
P.S. I suggest you don't critisize my grammar skills as long as YOU can't even capitalize letters.
DUH it's YouTube. I think I know what site I'm on. And actually, I think I was right with that sentence before because your comments all have one basic point: "The video is creepy". But it's not. It is a beautiful Chinese art. The reason the men are dressed as women is because back when Chinese Opera started, women still weren't allowed to act. Therefore, men dressed as girls, like in Romeo and Juliette.
Again:
I don't want to fight with you. I'm just saying that it's be nice if you could p-
-ost comments like yours somewhere else where they are actually appreciated.
And by the way: WHY THE HECK ARE WE FIGHTING OVER EACH OTHER'S GRAMMAR SKILLS?!?! Off subject much? What does grammar have to do with ANYTHING that you and I are trying to say?!
Whatever. I have my tastes, you have yours. If we all had the same likes & dislikes, the world would be so fucking boring we would be better off dead. So, in an indirect way, it is a good thing we have chinese lovers. (no offense)
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"The most special thing about China is its culture its what Chinese should value and what outsiders should learn to value." Too funny. Chinese ought to value their culture, but why should I give a damn?
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it is very disheartening to know that such tresures are being lost and get degenerated over a period of time.this is mainly due to the lack of appreciation of ancient and traditional culture by the yout.a similar example can be quoted with regard to my country india;kathakali-a similar form of opera is slowly but steadily losing popularity among the youth of today.prserve such culture for the benefit of the generations to come.
Too true what you said, as a brazilian I can only say that it´s good that you have your culture, we acctually have none but ignorance where we don´t even think of learning our own culture...
The western media should really actually LEARN MORE ABOUT CHINA before they make conclusions. All they are doing is taking the little knowledge they have and converting it into "news". And the bigger problem is that a lot of people are actually listening to this garbage. This is why people have such a negative view of China.
stage opera is not popular in the western countries as well. few times in a year, especially in holidays there will be opera shows like Cats, Lion King, Miss Saigon, etc.
The fact that certain Chinese arts and culture are slipping into an abyss is due to the messed up revolution of the early 1900s. The commies screwed up bad. I hear enough older generation people talk about the devistaion the communist government wrecked upon artists, teachers, writers and doctors. Basicaly mainland china screwed itself up. They trampled the well educated and elevated the uneducated.
this basically explains why there are so many moral, social, and especially ETHICAL problems in modern chinese generation. What do you expect of a country that killed off and alienated a huge majority of their social elite less less than 90 years ago? Disturbed? You should be.
its not shit it nice and lovely but what i said before you guys took it in the wrong way and someone said i love my country and japanese has cousd wars and we gave up and i love my country i love china and i love well baseiclly every country in the world and i do love my country but i respect all other countrys asswell so just stop posting comments to me becouse uve got the wrong idea any way gooooooooooooooo world piece
its about preserving and remmembering lost culture, not about hot good it is as an art, or guys dressing up like trannies, or the make up. chinese opera dates thousands of years old but massive amounts of history about chinese cultural art have been lost since the revolution and its been a damage to the chinese society
imagine if someone told you lets just wipe out all the wonders of the pyramids in egypt. youd be as horrified too. history is important no matter how daggy it looks.
Even in English plays or other European entertainment, men use to take over the roles of women as well. Take a look at Shakespeare in the old days. Don't disrespect someone's culture before you know ANYTHING about your own. Maybe you should learn about your own culture first before trashing somebody else's.
"Farewell My Concubine"is the name of this Chinese opera.These actors are highly trained and disciplined.This Chinese tradition dates back thousands of years.For these actors this is their lives.
hard to revamp this thing really. you can try to enjoy it, but you just can't. I am a Chinese and I fail to appreciate its artistry. Would you rather to go watch a red cliff movie or a red cliff opera where you can't understand a thing listening to it.
reform is an option
if you reform it too much, it is not the original thing anymore.
The travesty of war... how many cultural treasures have been lost to the stupidity of humanity and selfish greed! To numerous to count! blessings... ENTICIA
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WTF is that a MAN xD thats freaking funny l tought his a girl untill l heard the sound oh my god didnt know that gay men can be like that xD now l will not trust any girl at street untill l see the secrets xD
In theater, even with the Romans and Chinese, women did not have roles in plays. Men often wore masks and played the roles of women, it isn't about gayness or anyhting androgenous to feminine. It is simply a role in a play.
Also, keep in mind, folks that during the Elizabethan time women were not actors in theater, all the roles were played by men. Even as late as the early 20th century, women who were involved in theater were treated by society as if they were prostitutes.
I do not know either, so do you know that he is not gay? I just answered your statement that "he's not gay", so I am asking you "How do you know that he is not gay?"
Beijing opera came from Kunqu opera, which has been 600 years history, not from korea, actually, I doubt that Korea has even similar opera, what Korea's culture is influenced by China for thousand years
fultonspring 3 months ago
@jadoretheater yes i agree with u. <3 opera ^_^
CradleofCrime 4 months ago
居然讲到了cultural revolution
gzc1102 5 months ago
Heh, women acting as men and men acting as women is an important element in Chinese Opera man! They are not "gay" in anyway!
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Fucking American. Go die
Shadowcry1000 1 year ago
This is a one in a billion story I'd say! I've always admired opera performers so much for all their arduous toil.
GuoBia 1 year ago
Fabulous! Thanks from Brazil!
adrianacristianes 1 year ago
Mei Lan Fang was the best male Chinese opera singer who sang female voice. This is interesting because I just watched a film about the Castrato in Europe. The difference is that Chinese men don't have to go through this cruel procedure as the Castrato did. However, they are still able to sing those high notes. I feel so terrible for the Castrato because the sacrifice was really just too much. Overall, I admire those people who give their whole life for the love of Art.
ahelano 1 year ago
@ahelano the castrato is different from the male chinese opera singer. What castrato can do is way beyond chinese opera. Hormone is a powerful thing!
xlongwu 1 year ago
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lipgloss223 1 year ago
This is not as gross as castratos in european opera.
bbly096 1 year ago
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masyanto 1 year ago
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masyanto 1 year ago
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masyanto 1 year ago
Calling an aspect for another culture other than your own as "gay" is ignorant. Shame on you for applying your own virtues and norms to a different culture.
Graymoths 1 year ago 6
theyre like ladyboys
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OMG, why's Korean always take credit for everything China has? the Peking opera is originated from Kun opera, which was very popular about 300 hundred years ago in Jiangsu Province(near Shanghai).
nanamiyang 1 year ago
OMG, why's Korean always take credit for everything China has? the Peking opera is originated from Kun opera, which was very popular about 300 hundred years ago in Jiangsu Province(near Shanghai).
nanamiyang 1 year ago 3
When Kun and Hui opera went to Beijing to perform for the emperors of Qing Dynasty, they loved it and after couple of hundreds years several local opera joined and reformed as Peking opera, which became a huge hit since the emperors loved it , so the government officials loved it and the commoners loved it. It became the Opera of China.
nanamiyang 1 year ago
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EternalBeauty14 1 year ago
Gay is such a modern word that morons use regardlessly. But to me, eating burgers and drinking coke is GAY.
lisajason111 1 year ago 2
All Chinese theater was performed by men for centuries because women were not allowed to perform in public. So to play the womans part someone had to be the woman. It was nothing "gay" about it. To portray a womans part and be beleavable was looked on with great respect. It's culture, it's beautiful, exotic and something that should be appreciated, not put down.
mistatt2 1 year ago 8
The chinese culture is quite beautiful. Old and rich, it should be revered and respected.
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cLoCkHiTzZeRo 1 year ago
Hi I am trying to find a chinese opera music which is about a concubine waiting for the prince but he does not come. pl. help
nasim1176 1 year ago
it's funny to see how some people raised in western societies try to catch every chance to call others gay. just funny.
ppw8626 1 year ago
faggots..... end of story
HeoCon811 1 year ago
In ancient time, due to strict moral codes, females were not allowed to show their faces on stage in Chinese opera. To solve this problem, male actors were used to take up the female roles in all performances. They did so by dressing up as women and singing with female voices. The tradition carries on in some performances until now. However, in most cases females do perform in opera today.
yabiren 1 year ago 2
beautiful!!
i heard from korean friends before, chinese opera and something? is korea in origin.
peaceable2010 1 year ago
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ershun 1 year ago
make up for guys !!!!!!!!! gross
gtsimsp 1 year ago
What is so gross about it? Im beginning to smell cultural relativism here.
Chichiri520 1 year ago 2
all of the actors here are males so a girls role is performed by males... im a filipino but i know that we study that in asian history...
n3mn64 1 year ago
whether hes gay or not isn't the point -.-
hydroconscious 2 years ago 2
I agree, actually.
Arnarkusaga 2 years ago
he is not the gay and this is a part of chinese culture. He should be dressed like that
q1w2e381048104 2 years ago 5
that fire breathing thing was awesome lol
iLikeDragon 2 years ago
what a pretty lady
ChristinaWatkinson 2 years ago
He's a man. :]
Dyakki 2 years ago
lol
ChristinaWatkinson 2 years ago
In the peiking opera - like many asian art performances thoughout the history of China, only men performed. They played both male and female characters. As a matter of fact, the very first geshia to ever perform in as entertainers were men, but tradition gave way to female performers. *(As well the male geshia were called "dobushu" serving tea and entertaining feudal lords during the wars of the Meiji era)*
Ojoku12 2 years ago
I was fascinated with a short performance (2 hours) by the Beijing Opera Company in April 2008 in the Liyuan Theatre. Loved it! Going back in October 2010 for more.
mardie1 2 years ago
Do u mean 国粹?
CHOTIRMALL 2 years ago
这是中华民族的精髓之一。
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Does that guy know he's wearing lipstick?
powerbookg 2 years ago
OK Peiking Opera is back and prosper. Don't complain. Just listen
Denverbcs 3 years ago
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"It's what Chinese should value and what outsiders should learn to value."
Why is it that Chinese are ALWAYS going on and on about how great their culture is, and how the whole world should value their culture, and yet China is so reluctant to reciprocate this cultural appreciation by learning about NON-Chinese arts.
I just recently met a Chinese guy who has never ever HEARD of THE BEATLES or ELVIS. -_-
VictimOfBoredom 3 years ago
The Chinese guy you mentioned & a few Aussies that I have encountered who are unaware of Elvis & Beatles could be attributed to their youth, as they were born after their popularity. If you look into China's history, you would know that Western popular culture was unavailable & even barred, esp during Chairman Mao's reign. By the way I'm a Chinese guy who value ALL cultures ! Maybe to prevent becoming a victim of boredom, perhaps you can try to be more interested in the world ?
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1. I've met plenty of non-native-English-speaking young people who know who the Beatles and Elvis are.
2. As for the Cultural Revolution, uh...no shit. How does that in any way contradict with anything I said?
3. I didn't say *all* Chinese. I was referring specifically to mainlanders.
4. I'm never bored; my profile even says so.
5. How does anything I said suggest I'm not interested in the world? My WHOLE POINT was that Chinese aren't interested enough in cultures other than their own.
VictimOfBoredom 2 years ago
1. If you've met plenty of non-native-English-speaking young people who know of the Beatles & Elvis, then what's the problem ? Why does it bother that 1 Chinese guy didn't ?
2. The cultural revolution banned all western influences b/c they were deemed decadent.
3. I'm sorry if I had the impression that you meant all Chinese.
4.Your profile name is misleading, if you are never bored, good -o.
5.Generally, from my own experience, Americans are just as disinterested in other cultures.
clachai 2 years ago 3
Sorry, but I still don't quite get how #2 contradicts anything I've said. Not to mention, you keep telling me things I already know. -_-
As for #1, the point is that they were all non-Chinese. As for #5, world music *is* fairly popular there, and they've probably got more "multicultural" celebrations than anywhere else, save for maybe the UK.
VictimOfBoredom 2 years ago
I've tried to listen to them, the Beatles and Elvis, but they just annoy me.
Sorry, but I really prefer the classical music.
largolegato 2 years ago 5
Well, I'm not saying this has to be genre-specific. I, too, much prefer classical to The Beatles (of whom I only mildly like) and Elvis (of whom I don't really like at all).
VictimOfBoredom 2 years ago
I'm Chinese. I have heard of the Beatles and Elvis.
I don't boast about how great my culture is, but I know it is and am proud of it. I think being proud of one's culture and heritage is a right everyone has - regardless of race.
And, I appreciate non-Chinese arts as well - I love Russian ballet, I listen to classical music, etc., etc. .__.
So please please please don't generalise us based on just a few Chinese that you've meet.
daedalic 2 years ago 5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're from Hong Kong. I distinctly said I was referring to mainlanders...
And I am of course not saying ALL of anything. But I *have* met many Chinese, and I most certainly have noticed consistent patterns.
VictimOfBoredom 2 years ago
Yes, I am from Hong Kong. But I know quite a number of mainlanders - I go there on at least a monthly basis when I can. But then again, maybe the type of people you know are of a different circle and type.
Also, I am sorry if I have misunderstood you, but it might have been the way you phrased things: you made it sound a bit like (all) Chinese are like that, which I am certain isn't true.
Lastly: pride in one's heritage - be it excess or not - can be seen all over the world. I've seen worse.
daedalic 2 years ago
i feel the same way. im chinese :D
ameliasurox 2 years ago
Well how many American's have you met that have never heard of the Peking Opera????? Im sure MANY!!!! Have you taken the time to learn why the chinese culture might be so Proud of their culture?
makeupbybeverly 2 years ago
itachixichigoxfma are YOU gay?
surely you are a stupid to say this shit!
it's amazing how in 2009 people still believe that a man with make-up on must be necessarily gay.
this is ART!
hyaena81 3 years ago
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is he gay?
itachixichigoxfma 3 years ago
My mom sometimes watches Chinese opera (my family is Chinese-American) and it irritates me a whole lot. But I can't say it's not a nice form of art.
bibozs95 3 years ago
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piss off big fat hag is a cool art ok so piss off
pwt67 3 years ago
Hello my name is Ezequiel and I am of Buenos Aires Argentina. Them comment that makes a pair of years I have seen film that tries about these personages, that of children are trained with a great life of sacrifices, to be geishas. Now (my grief) I finish giving account of which this is something of the past, and which the Chinese of today is globalised like any country.
inspirationmagnus 3 years ago
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Hi Ezequiel, I'm from Mexico City. geishas are Japanese who were borned in the Pleasure Quarters of the Yoshiwara. Geishas were like servants of the higher prostitutes, but later men discovered it was easier to contract a cheap prostitute to have sex and an elegant lady to talk (a geisha) WITHOUT SEX. Chinese Opera was interreted by eunuchs because, as Kabuki, women were not allowed to perform on stage.
JPandCo 2 years ago
That is not cool duuuuuude!
SLICC60 2 years ago 2
geishas were ARTISANS u NOOB.
that was before war corrupted it and prostitutes started POSING as geishas so as to appear more exotic to foreigners. GO LEARN SOME CULTURE.
mauricebiology 2 years ago 44
u r the noob, and i'm so sorry that u r such a big one. GEISHAS were not prostitutes, but were born inside the pleasure quarters, they accompanied oiran in the oiran douchu carrying their make up. the exotic stuff is sth that u found in memoirs of a geisha and obviously geisha presentations don't show "sagi musume" of bando tamasaburo
JPandCo 2 years ago 5
hitting me right where it hurts - calling me a noob! ha, sorry if u got offended, i just got pissed becuz a lot of ppl are under the misconception that all geishas were prostitutes. well i dont think ziyi zhang cud have ever been as gd as tamasaburo... but sagi musume is the part he is most known for. Also, the oiran from the Edo period are what Geishas are descended from... and the first geishas that attended to the oiran were men! but anyway, i am not interested in arguing. so....
mauricebiology 2 years ago 3
Geisha are [not were] 'artists', not artisans! Artisans are manual workers who craft decorative items.
thephilosopherkartik 2 years ago 4
@mauricebiology If you're calling these performers geishas, then you're wrong. Geishas are Japanese. This is China. :) Please educate yourself before you tell others too.
jadoretheater 8 months ago 4
what?? interreted?? lol never heard of a single chinese opera using eunuches as actors...
Messenia 2 years ago
i felt that this was poorly. I think if you want to convey a point to the public you should express it proudly and the most professionally as you can.
InappropriateMachine 3 years ago
When i was studying chinese history i was very sad that chairman mao saught to tear down everything reminding him of the old empire. I was very against them removing the emperor. In the final century, the emperor was nothing more than a figurehead anyway. the seat passed no laws nor even cared what happened outside the walls of the forbidden city. but man never leaves well enough alone. that's why you have poor africans being behead in the middle of nowhere. just cuz they're there. shameful
shakaama 3 years ago
hey what do you mean by africans being beheaded? are you saying that this is happening right now?
fana406 3 years ago
yes and worse. its not news to the western countries. they are only concerned about what happens in the west. as evident by people writing negative comments about this video that is trying to bring to light a dieing artform and the realization of the loss of lots of chinese culture. if i remember mao tse dung had a major book burning too, and put thousands to death.
shakaama 3 years ago
peking opera is changing and disappearing .less ppl feel like to learn about tranditional culture as western culture has rushed into our society far beyond our expectation. no one wanna see the breakdown of this opera,but ,who knows,if it could not get enough support from the gov or enough attention from our citizens ,it has to be die out,just like millions of other stuffs.
AntiCharlotte 3 years ago
even in the west we consider our own opera as a sign of true class to appreciate it. hopefully peking opera could put this association with it, and people can aspire to have a taste for peking opera. also if they export it and tour overseas they might find western culture appreciate more than at home.
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Molly209 3 years ago
I guess a bunch of china-lovers have gone around and gave critical comments thumbs down. I mean, not everyone can love this chinese-opera stuff - people have different tastes and opinions. Just because somebody doesn't like chinese opera and you do doesn't mean you have to put them down.
7isSexy 3 years ago
he looks pretty.
vinabugis 3 years ago 2
coooooooooooool
vivvyx 3 years ago
He is very beautiful, I'm glad that he is proud of his culture and is proud to keep an ancient way going strong, too many theatrical masterpieces have been lost by people choosing not to care.
MousketeerMaiden 3 years ago 7
Aw, this brings me back to when i would watch "The King and I" on television when i was like two years old.
i love this-it's all so beautiful! i hope to see a real one one day.
vampireninja126 3 years ago 2
Wow this is beautiful I'd love to see it live. I think that the people who call him a fag really don't know anything. Idzit is right, the men in our country wear makeup and act too. Just because he has a dress on and heavier makeup doesn't mean he's a fag. It's just different culture, and you must be truly bigoted if you call him a fag and don't even know anything about it.
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Wildwacht 3 years ago
It's art. A truly straight man would never get the association of "fagity" here. You have some sort of problem.
seborrg 3 years ago 7
Do you think Arnold Schwarzenegger is a fag too? Or Clive Owen? or perhaps The Rock? They are essentially doing the same thing. They are actors and wear makeup to do their job. You are passing judgment simply because he is wearing a woman's costume. In Elizabethan times, women were forbidden to play in theatre, so men had to do all the parts. Learn yourself some history, and stop being such a canker on the face of humanity.
idzit 3 years ago 10
Wow you're ignorant.
SquishyMiette 3 years ago 2
straight or gay makes no difference. your judgement with many others needs to be changed or you will forever miss the beautiful things in life. your mind, your choice.
VictrixIcis 3 years ago 4
u laugh at culture. u laugh at men who wear make up and women's clothes. u laugh at tradition. GO GET A LIFE AND INSULT SOMEONE ELSE!!!
ameliasurox 2 years ago 3
你们也喜欢中国戏剧么？
sujingfu 3 years ago
I hope the art continues to be preserved.
mathewpaguio 3 years ago 4
Hen mei li!!! I love Chinese culture! I hope to attend an Chinese Opera someday. Thanks for sharing ^_^
ChristaLovesDrama 3 years ago 3
Such a wonderful art. I am SO glad that it didn't disappear entirely. After watching "Farwell, My Concubine" awhile ago, my appreciation for the unique beauty of the Chinese opera grew.
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EmoChick9001 3 years ago
if women do it then it is not saving the art.
Only men should do it if they truly want to save it even though its kinda sexist.
inachu 3 years ago
It's just like modern Kabuki and their onnagata-- the males already have established training for performing as a woman so what kind of sense would it be to let actresses in? I'd be curious to know though if China has an all women drama troupe like Takarazuka.
silivrenisil 3 years ago
aww, i love it.
friedricechopsticks 3 years ago
incredible... the costumes and makeup are amazing.
bluecrush101 3 years ago
I love how unique, and spiritual this culture is...
the colors and ancient traditions are so different from what I've been raised to know
DevilzDeception 3 years ago 2
It would be amazing if the people who didn't like the video didn't comment. :l
I think that it's a great thing and that makeup is amazinggg. o3o
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ThaRealBarbie 3 years ago
I've got no idea where AlJazeera gets their ridiculous info...
Yes some culture did nearly got wiped out in that strange Cultural Revolution, but today's China value their heritage more than ever!
Just as an example, if China want to get rid of their customs why 1: can you still see these things such as kungfu, taichi, taoism and various others still around? 2: why would China still be applying World Hertiage Sites from the UN if we don't care about them?
xuci111111 3 years ago
The answer is that such things like Wushu, religion and, Kung Qu opera went almost completely underground during the great leap forward and the revolution itself. For almost 20 years. Now they see the error of such "proletariat" behavior.
TonyNhollywood 3 years ago
I know! And every Chinese know! Those 4 masterminds behind the Cultural Revolution used their power to manuplate higher-ups and spreaded all sorts of weird rumours to start this strange incident, but they were just after more power and they were properly dealt with in the end!
China isn't like that anymore! When will people change their stereotypical view of China?
xuci111111 3 years ago
You're on the wrong subject.
madmuffinz 3 years ago
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olewahidweto 3 years ago
One of my very best friends moved here from Korea 3 years ago. When she was a little girl,her parents had a dog farm.She had to go out and feed & water them before school.The dogs were bred for food like livestock,but they closed down when it became illegal in 1984. I generally feel sqeamish when I see or hear ppl eat anything I've kept as a pet.Dogs,guinea pigs,iguanas,cats,but refrain from criticizing.I eat cow and pig--one considered sacred,one considered dirty,depending on the culture!
peace4dove 3 years ago
mmmmm
oviniana 3 years ago
Rofl..whats that voice?Sounds like King Diamondlol
Theokondak 3 years ago
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"It's a hard life. Many of us get injured, sometimes permanently."
Yeah, I can think of a permanent injury...I'M SCARRED FOR LIFE BY JUST WATCHING THE FREAKIN' VIDEO!!
7isSexy 3 years ago
LOL SAME
BlackGuy65 3 years ago
Blah, blah, blah...what IS the point of your comments?
RougeRoks 3 years ago
what?? me??
no man, it's a just a little thing in here.
haha..
and wht do want me to put a point of you??
MusicianGal88 3 years ago
Haha, oh couse not you!
I meant to send that to 7isSexy...somehow it was sent to you?
RougeRoks 3 years ago
ok, hehe..
yeah, u replied to me
maybe just a miss sent. lol
MusicianGal88 3 years ago
wow. first of all, who taught you grammar?? The correct way to say that would be "what are the points of your comments". And second, wtf? If you can't get the point of my comments, GO BACK TO GRADE SCHOOL!
7isSexy 3 years ago
FIRST OF ALL, I'm very good at grammar, so EXCUSE ME if I make a mistake in ONE LITTLE COMMENT. NUMBER 2, I'm trying to get MY point across that if ya hate the vid and are creep out by a beautiful Chinese art, SHARE YOUR OPINIONS SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE THEY ARE ACTUALLY APPRECIATED.
P.S. I suggest you don't critisize my grammar skills as long as YOU can't even capitalize letters.
RougeRoks 3 years ago
why the hell would i capitalize letters? THIS IS YOUTUBE!
7isSexy 3 years ago
DUH it's YouTube. I think I know what site I'm on. And actually, I think I was right with that sentence before because your comments all have one basic point: "The video is creepy". But it's not. It is a beautiful Chinese art. The reason the men are dressed as women is because back when Chinese Opera started, women still weren't allowed to act. Therefore, men dressed as girls, like in Romeo and Juliette.
Again:
I don't want to fight with you. I'm just saying that it's be nice if you could p-
RougeRoks 3 years ago 4
-ost comments like yours somewhere else where they are actually appreciated.
And by the way: WHY THE HECK ARE WE FIGHTING OVER EACH OTHER'S GRAMMAR SKILLS?!?! Off subject much? What does grammar have to do with ANYTHING that you and I are trying to say?!
RougeRoks 3 years ago
Whatever. I have my tastes, you have yours. If we all had the same likes & dislikes, the world would be so fucking boring we would be better off dead. So, in an indirect way, it is a good thing we have chinese lovers. (no offense)
7isSexy 3 years ago
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I'm sorry, but that really creeped me out. It's a he..... Wearing lipstick. And dressed as a girl. O.o
7isSexy 3 years ago
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H O W... so japan is whre u cm from..
it's poor for tht beautiful country for having a disgracefull man like you..hahahaha
MusicianGal88 3 years ago
get a life and stop insulting people
ameliasurox 2 years ago
who cares...
smalllab 3 years ago
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"The most special thing about China is its culture its what Chinese should value and what outsiders should learn to value." Too funny. Chinese ought to value their culture, but why should I give a damn?
Foxboy106 3 years ago
save china save the world
chinesekiller2003 3 years ago
it's a "he".....
plm0331 3 years ago
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tijanna666 3 years ago
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lol
lol
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jannifer1682008 3 years ago
it is very disheartening to know that such tresures are being lost and get degenerated over a period of time.this is mainly due to the lack of appreciation of ancient and traditional culture by the yout.a similar example can be quoted with regard to my country india;kathakali-a similar form of opera is slowly but steadily losing popularity among the youth of today.prserve such culture for the benefit of the generations to come.
supaneernova 3 years ago 3
Too true what you said, as a brazilian I can only say that it´s good that you have your culture, we acctually have none but ignorance where we don´t even think of learning our own culture...
evandro1234 3 years ago 2
Beautiful ，Great ！
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ReverseMortgageLoans 3 years ago
The western media should really actually LEARN MORE ABOUT CHINA before they make conclusions. All they are doing is taking the little knowledge they have and converting it into "news". And the bigger problem is that a lot of people are actually listening to this garbage. This is why people have such a negative view of China.
lilOldMe12 3 years ago 9
stage opera is not popular in the western countries as well. few times in a year, especially in holidays there will be opera shows like Cats, Lion King, Miss Saigon, etc.
KhmerD0g 3 years ago
to KhmerD0g:
Cats, Lion King and Miss Saigon are NOT operas. does BROADWAY MUSICAL ring a bell?
callmeChauz 3 years ago 2
The fact that certain Chinese arts and culture are slipping into an abyss is due to the messed up revolution of the early 1900s. The commies screwed up bad. I hear enough older generation people talk about the devistaion the communist government wrecked upon artists, teachers, writers and doctors. Basicaly mainland china screwed itself up. They trampled the well educated and elevated the uneducated.
rabidtypist 3 years ago 5
this basically explains why there are so many moral, social, and especially ETHICAL problems in modern chinese generation. What do you expect of a country that killed off and alienated a huge majority of their social elite less less than 90 years ago? Disturbed? You should be.
rabidtypist 3 years ago
its not shit it nice and lovely but what i said before you guys took it in the wrong way and someone said i love my country and japanese has cousd wars and we gave up and i love my country i love china and i love well baseiclly every country in the world and i do love my country but i respect all other countrys asswell so just stop posting comments to me becouse uve got the wrong idea any way gooooooooooooooo world piece
lovvett 3 years ago
Beautiful!
LoveVampire 3 years ago
我更喜欢昆剧。。。
wuchen19880505 3 years ago
its about preserving and remmembering lost culture, not about hot good it is as an art, or guys dressing up like trannies, or the make up. chinese opera dates thousands of years old but massive amounts of history about chinese cultural art have been lost since the revolution and its been a damage to the chinese society
imagine if someone told you lets just wipe out all the wonders of the pyramids in egypt. youd be as horrified too. history is important no matter how daggy it looks.
eCupcakes 3 years ago 7
be open minded guys!
yantawe 3 years ago
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wow its a tranny holy SHIT DRINK SOME LEAD
jamesfrancis5 3 years ago
It isn't a tranny. If you read some more (use Internet), you will know why a man dress like a woman in chinese Opera.
arcangelkrlos 3 years ago 2
Even in English plays or other European entertainment, men use to take over the roles of women as well. Take a look at Shakespeare in the old days. Don't disrespect someone's culture before you know ANYTHING about your own. Maybe you should learn about your own culture first before trashing somebody else's.
rc86 3 years ago 4
well, if they want to survive, the art will sadly have to change with the times to entertain the skeptical newer generations.
sadamitsu 3 years ago
"Farewell My Concubine"is the name of this Chinese opera.These actors are highly trained and disciplined.This Chinese tradition dates back thousands of years.For these actors this is their lives.
faustar2 3 years ago 5
compare this to monkey journey to the west
Loxard 3 years ago
hard to revamp this thing really. you can try to enjoy it, but you just can't. I am a Chinese and I fail to appreciate its artistry. Would you rather to go watch a red cliff movie or a red cliff opera where you can't understand a thing listening to it.
reform is an option
if you reform it too much, it is not the original thing anymore.
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EbeEazy 3 years ago
The travesty of war... how many cultural treasures have been lost to the stupidity of humanity and selfish greed! To numerous to count! blessings... ENTICIA
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messabessa 3 years ago
didn't u forget the part when he kills me?
19960215 3 years ago
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dude, when trying to make up something as least do it right.
the term clown didn't exist back then.
moxinghbian 3 years ago
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Why do fucking retards like you even post shit like this?
UnknownAccount0 3 years ago
1505...
He's probably dead by now. :l
lfloorplanl 3 years ago
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WTF is that a MAN xD thats freaking funny l tought his a girl untill l heard the sound oh my god didnt know that gay men can be like that xD now l will not trust any girl at street untill l see the secrets xD
darkpladian 3 years ago
Wow you are ignorant... Grow up
Nillabean06 3 years ago 6
In theater, even with the Romans and Chinese, women did not have roles in plays. Men often wore masks and played the roles of women, it isn't about gayness or anyhting androgenous to feminine. It is simply a role in a play.
NeccoWecco 3 years ago 5
Also, keep in mind, folks that during the Elizabethan time women were not actors in theater, all the roles were played by men. Even as late as the early 20th century, women who were involved in theater were treated by society as if they were prostitutes.
peace4dove 3 years ago 6
he's not gay
ameliasurox 2 years ago
How do you know that he is not gay?
masyanto 2 years ago
and how do u no he's IS gay?
ameliasurox 2 years ago
In Chinese opera, it was customary for men to play the roles of women, just as in Shakespearean times. I think it's just that.
TimmYayhooray 2 years ago
I do not know either, so do you know that he is not gay? I just answered your statement that "he's not gay", so I am asking you "How do you know that he is not gay?"
masyanto 2 years ago
Anyway whether he is gay or not, we cannot verify, but whatever it is I like Beijing Opera and I love Chinese Culture.
masyanto 2 years ago 25
true. =D
ameliasurox 2 years ago
Where are you Ameliasurox? I am in the USA.
masyanto