Excellent Atheist Experience Call - FFreeThinker Mirror Video

[lease2coach1]

I just don't think that we're likely to "convert" true believers...and calling them idiots or crazy is probably not going to help.

Probably the best we can do is to present our own positions, and to try (calmly, reasonably--treating our interlocutors as reasonable people) to show why the evidence that *they* find sufficient is not sufficient for us. At least then they (some of them) can understand that our unbelief is not simply adolescent rebellion, or a desire to shock or do bad things

[WolfySnackrib666]

Listening to this part repeatedly makes me laugh 1:32

[83redrose83]

A redneck is an Atheist????? Yowza! I made my mother in law cry by having a justice of the peace marry us and not in a church. I love my mother in law, she is very sweet and nice and cares for other people, but, she's not very smart when it comes to god and all that. she was raised christian and she says she's used faith alot to get her through life, which I also think is sad. I was raised christian but then learned all the bumbo jumbo was just horse shit. Both her kids are also anti-theists.

[CabalBoone]

This video is evidence that not all rednecks are full of shit

[ytmndman]

Since the "Holy Spirit" does nothing, and "Satan" also does nothing, would that not count as attributing the acts of the "Holy Spirit" to "Satan"?

[tangnatalaga]

Respond to this video... I have a question why all these so called atheist act like a bunch of smart people when I have not debated here with anyone who is actually a scientist. All the people here I come across is a bunch of mediocre people with little or no knowledge in physics.

[VesusSheist]

@tangnatalaga You have left the same comment about "mediocre" people on several atheist experience videos. If you are so intelligent, why are you looking for a debate on youtube?

Do you actually have anything of substance to say?

[tangnatalaga]

@VesusSheist I am not intelligent thats why I am talking with you people who are atheist. Intelligent people don't have time for peopel like atheist.

[57worldwide]

@tangnatalaga Attempt at insult ineffective.

You're trolling. Not only that, you're trolling atheists about their intelligence - cruel irony, considering the fact many atheists arrive at atheism using their intellect to do so.

'Intelligent people don't have time for people like atheist' - you aren't aware of the many times, many different religious people have tried to convert me, or 'inform' me of their almighty God concept. You have called all those religious people unintelligent. Good job!

[tangnatalaga]

@AmericanCritiquer He was just doing that because as person with much higher understanding he is avoiding an argument. Priest go to school for 12 years studying logic and philosophy. I watch the whole video. In fact in the whlole video dawkins listened more than he talked. I personally believe it was a learning experience for dawkins. He can't teach anything to someone who knows and understand more than him.

[tangnatalaga]

I think I should just consider myself as free thinker. I don't like to be bound by any set of rules on what I should believe. This is one reason why I don't go to church. The christian belief keeps me from venturing out of what the bible says. Then again I don't like being bound by the rules of atheist either. I want to be free to believe things such as parallel universe, two dimensional world etc etc.

[tangnatalaga]

Guys help me out here. I don't practice religion I think it is boring but I do honestly believe in things like parallel universe and have a very different consideration of reality based on many facts of quantum theory. I don't like to think of the world and the universe like you guys because it is just as boring.

[Deanbass77]

Haha ah Don "Alriiight!" I love how hilarious he finds his place on the show.

[tangnatalaga]

I THINK ATHEISM IS JUST ANOTHER RELIGION. A RELIGION THAT ATTACKS RELIGION ITSELF. LOL YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK? I WOULD RATHER TAKE MY SCIENTIFIC CALCULATOR AND LEARN MORE ABOUT PHYSICS. I HAVE A MORE PRODUCTIVE USE OF MY TIME THAN LISTEN TO THESE TWO SHALLOW MINDED IDIOTS.

[skippydeenice]

@tangnatalaga go away

[Deanbass77]

@tangnatalaga Seriously, I'm suprised that you know what physics is if you really think atheism is a religion. If you don't want to listen, then don't listen, we don't need to hear about it unless you have a point to make..

[tangnatalaga]

@Deanbass77 I am contradicting so many people in atheism that they block me from posting. They are afraid my views extend beyond the fact that to base something out of your owns senses is an expression of one own limitation. The sea creature is not right if it thinks the real world is nothing but water because it see nothing but that.

[tangnatalaga]

Respond to this video... The fish will not believe humans exist and live on land because it never seen one yet. This a very basic instinct of living creatures including us based on it's own senses. To judge everything by what you see, you might as well be an animal.

[Deanbass77]

@tangnatalaga Well that's handy, people are animals.. When we flop out the water and see god walking around, then we'll believe he's there. To judge everything by what you feel or hope would make you a fool. Go to the grocery store and do all your shopping with your eyes closed and try to feel your way around, see how that works out for ya..

[tangnatalaga]

@Deanbass77 How more interesting my life from you is. Since I am not bound only with my own senses. My imagination can wonder way beyond my senses. I am not bound to any standing that will limit my freedom of imagination.. Your way of considering things puts you in lonely flat and hopeless world. You all have the mentality of early human that think the world is flat.

[Deanbass77]

@tangnatalaga I think that shows your actual lack of imagination, but whatever works for you.. I think this totally natural world is absolutely fascinating, so please don't try to tell me how I view the world, that is simply ridiculous.

[tangnatalaga]

@Deanbass77 I am the one with lack of imagination? You trying to tell me you are better than me. lol Lets talk about physics then so we can prove who knows more. With mathematical expression along with the explanation for it. You are the living proof that this page is full of mediocre people.

[Deanbass77]

@tangnatalaga I never said I was better than you. And I'm not here to impress you I'm afraid. I just don't like people looking down on my way of life, thinking that they are better than me. Believe me, if I had the time and money to study physics in a structured environment, I would. It has always been very interesting to me. Go somewhere else if you don't like us, just don't expect us to feel bad about it.

[tangnatalaga]

@Deanbass77 End of story.

[Deanbass77]

@tangnatalaga Sounds good. Have fun with your studies.

[Twicebakedtaters]

@AmericanCritiquer Religion is hardly alone in this example. Richard Dawkins arrives at an equal impasse when confronting his subjective experience which, as everyone's, is based on subjective definitions of ambiguous meaning. Meaning can not be proven to exist.

[scotttebben]

It is unacceptable to me to live in a world that is infested with the self deluded, irrational, parasitic religious. Therefore I believe there are no self deluded, irrational, parasitic religious. Theist logic is great stuff.

[scotttebben]

It's been my experience when talking to any religious people (this includes church leaders) they always paint themselves into a logic corner when confronted with there ridicules belief. They are fine when dealing with others who share the affliction, but coil into a protective ball or strike out with anger and deceit when they realize they are beginning to think about how stupid there mindset is. This scares them so severe that they shut down and conversation is over.

[paxpaul]

Sometimes Matt is brilliant. Other times, like this, he is even better!

[Twicebakedtaters]

@paxpaul All thought the congratulatory pep rally is amusing, lets be logical and factual. "Matt" is a biological process, an example of the continuing interaction of the known natural forces, "Brilliance" is a subjective belief and is not a known property of nature.

To expound upon the mythical term brilliance with a claim of "better" brilliance does not make the myth any more real.

[Twicebakedtaters]

@Twicebakedtaters that would be all though.....my appologies

[paxpaul]

@Twicebakedtaters Even if Matt is just a biological process, we call him Matt. Since I was clearly stating an opinion, the use of subjective terms "brilliant" and "better" is to be expected. So, my previous statement stands no matter how much you play with the semantics: Matt (the biological process resulting in his comments) is brilliant (my subjective measure of Matt) and, in this case, even better (my opinion again).

Did you have a point, or were you just playing with words? Either is fine.

[k0rps3gynd3r]

not sure if this still occurs but in southeast kansas. the courts used to send kids they deemed "bad" to religious group homes in northern kansas. i know i was one of them. they forced you to pray before dinner and go to church. i absolutely refused to cooperate and they finally just gave up on me, but looking back now i can only wonder what made the courts think it was ok to force religion on kids. isnt that against the law or something? like church and state rules?! call me crazy.

[Damienf77]

How convenient that the "unforgivable" sin is the one that would allow you to look at religion rationally and break free, while the forgivable ones are things like murder and rape which have no connection to your church attendance.

[BlameRepublicans]

I'd love to see Matt keeping his yap shut at his mom and dad's dinner table at prayer time! Does he turn all red in the face??? LOL

[June28July]

Ugh, I'm in a similar situation. My mother cries when I say I don't believe hence I've stopped talking to her about it...

[gulbirk]

I dont know how it is in America, but in Scandinavia many children stop believing in santa claus BY THEMSELFES, when they themselfe realise its BS.

[BlameRepublicans]

That's because you have dcent public education that gives kids the tools they need to learn about the real world. Our public schools produce idiots who vote Republican despite the fact that they're working class.

[gulbirk]

@BlameRepublicans Haha, :D

Well the fact is that its happening here to. People are becomming more right winged, and we are moving away from the left side.

[BlameRepublicans]

I think the overall trend is to the left. It's happening too slowly IMO - but just look at some of the social issues that were once considered "fringe left" only a few years ago which are now part of the main stream mind set. Enviromentalism, homosexuality is more and more accepted, drug laws relaxing in many states, etc...We're still WAY TOO RIGHT WING - but I think we are slowly getting there. In another 100 years we might be decent.

[gulbirk]

@BlameRepublicans Well the main difference isnt really gay marriage, drug or anything like that. You could be COMPLEATLY on the left side and still want drugs banned, and homosexuality banned. The basic difference is, how much tax people pay (resulting in how many public institutes there are) and how much power the goverment has to take decent desicions about what private owners can and cant do.

[BlameRepublicans]

That sounds like your describing Liberal vs. Libertarian. The right wing in the USA is primarily focused on a hand full of "hot button" issues used by the powerful few to get the less than stellar intellects out of their trailers on Election Day and to the voting booth. The right wing claims they want “less government” yet insist on a bloated DOD, strict anti-drug laws and they want to control all women’s bodies. They’re nuts.

[TearsOfWar1]

I hope I don't have an argument that horrible that that guy told with my mom... My mom is really religious and I usually try and not bring up anything religious.

[BlameRepublicans]

@TearsOfWar1 Your mom is ill, I'm sorry her sickness keeps you from being honest with her.

[lookatmepleasesir]

I don't understand why anybody calls this show. Its not like they would ever get through to these guys. They're basically saying "show us something we know you can't" ie proof of god's existance, so they can gloat over it.

[UseYerEFFINBrain]

Well, doesn't it tell you something that there is no proof that God exists?

Is there anything else, other than God, that you believe in if there is NO evidence of it's existence?

Do you believe in fairies? In Santa? In bigfoot?

So why do you suspend your rational skepticism for the Go fairy tale and not for every other fairy tale?

[lookatmepleasesir]

@UseYerEFFINBrain you can't really prove anything. But I did not say I believe in God anyway. I do think it is more reasonable to believe in God, bigfoot or even fairies then it is to believe in Santa clause. Fairies are just an outdated belief, it doesn't mean they are any more ridiculous then a belief in God or any other spirit beings.

[gulbirk]

@lookatmepleasesir No they arent, LOL. They are asking people for a rassional justification for the existence of god, and it just so happens tat many americans think that there is evidence.

[tracietracieharrow]

This is not the unforgivable sin. Bearing false witness against the holy spirit is the unforgivable sin. Quite impossible for an atheist so...I'm afraid ONLY believers can commit this sin. What a strange thing huh? Only true believers can commit the only sin your god condemns completely. How totally ridiculous.

[ElGeecho]

This was an excellent caller.

[AmericanCritiquer]

@sadalite It doesn't matter whether or not an atheist is happy or miserable knowing that this life is all we will ever have because we care about what is true and supported by evidence.

"I was dead for millions of years before I was born and it never inconvenienced me a bit." -Mark Twain

At least your admitting that the concept of time holds much more value in the life of an atheist by saying your eternal existence is essentially meaningless.

My rational mind wont let me believe in an afterlife.

[KarlxMxN]

@sadalite Nope, I'm an atheist and I don't ever worry about how I'm getting closer to death. also, I would not want to go to heaven anyway. Why would I want to spend eternity with someone as cruel as god.

[Pigroota]

@KarlxMxN All the interesting people are in hell anyway

[UseYerEFFINBrain]

The fact that your belief in an afterlife makes you happy has no bearing on whether it's true

Believing that I won the lottery makes me feel very happy, but if I didn't actually win it, I can't buy a private jet no matter how happy I feel

Do you have any evidence that your "heaven" afterlife story is true but the viking "valhalla" heaven story is false?

Also, if atheists are so miserable, how come Christians commit more crimes per capita?

[MrReasonFTW]

@sadalite Sir, if you were stabbed in the street and no one was around would you call an ambulance? If you get to be with your god the sooner the better right?

[Sweddude]

@sadalite Then wheres the value in this life if you think you got an afterlife?

For one who thinks he only has one life this life is infinatly more valuable.

[AsSomedayItMayHappen]

@sadalite You seem like you're looking forward to heaven more than you care about this life. What's truly sad is that you'll never even know that what you believed in was a waste of time.

[AssilemakaMelissa]

@AmericanCritiquer Where I live...I think being gay is more acceptable these days. People in the south still think of atheists as demon possesed. When I told a cousin I was an atheist and it meant I just don't believe in a god. She asked me what do I believe in, the devil? I laughed and said of course not..I also don't believe in the boogey man or in fairies. She still did not get it. She walked away shaking her head...She shook her head at me as if I were the one living in delusion! lol

[AmericanCritiquer]

@AssilemakaMelissa I am one of the people who grew up thinking atheists were devil worshippers so I know exactly what your talking about. When I first told my mom about it, she kept asking me if I joined some kind of devil cult!

I get that all the time, when I say that I'm a non-believer they look at me like I'm the crazy one. Some people I've talked to people who think there is no such thing as atheism or an atheist because they can't wrap they're head around the thought that there is no god.

[AssilemakaMelissa]

@AmericanCritiquer Yep I am feeling you...but I was there once myself so I guess I should not give up..I mean, if I can escape the vice grip that christianity had on my life then anybody can.

Right?

[AssilemakaMelissa]

@TheOptimistPrime I am stealing what you said here and posting it on my status. Very good.

[AssilemakaMelissa]

@TheOptimistPrime Amen!

[AssilemakaMelissa]

@TheOptimistPrime Being a mom myself I will say, I hope not. Me and my kids have a mutual respect for eachother no matter how different. I made a ton of mistakes raising them. But they understand my humanity and me theirs We understand that weakness exists and admire eachothers strengths. I realize this is not the norm but I can still want it for everyone. I am still prone to wishful thinking in some things Maybe she can at least break free from the guilt of being human so they can not threaten?

[AssilemakaMelissa]

@TheOptimistPrime She feels guilty about some of the mistakes she made raising her children so anytime she does something now that they disapprove of she quickly apologizes and makes promises to change. Her kids are like god. They threaten to take their ball and go home if she does not play the game by their rules. They got her where they want her. A stranglehold on her guilt and fears.

[AssilemakaMelissa]

A friend of mine posted something anti-religious on her facebook account and she was verbally attacked by even her own grown children. Broke my heart...she vowed to stop expressing herself honestly on her own facebook account in ordeer to make make everybody happy...I of course took up for her after the barrage of negative comments but I was the only one.