@IssaTai Butthurt Aikidoka saying he is doing it wrong when this is the only video I've found with actual resistance, thus the only one that, as a Judoka, I would call Randori.
Why bother with useless and pointless gaykido when you can study judo for instance and to alot better than is demonstrated here. In fact, I suspect that you have judo experience because the throw you initiated was not from gaykido but judo. Gaykido is a silly farce.
my dear aikido teacher used to make us fight like that...throwing real punches and we had to catch the punch and then apply the technique..my teacher used to say "nobody is gonna let take his hand to smack him on the floor,thats why u gotta punch,kick and wait the right moment to apply aikido and brake his bone"
Great vid! But I was just wondering if you were trying to get to Tenkan at all? Tenkan is a really good technique to use in such case you don't have to struggle with the guy, and Tenkan could possibly lead to other techniques. I dunno, that was just an idea... If I was in your shoes, that's what I would have done.
@bethovendogster Thanks, it's been a challenge. Through lots of trial and error, we found this practice to not exactly fit Aikido's context. However this type of practice is fun, and can teach you much about traditional Japanese Jujutsu techniques, and how they can apply to martial situations.
@propositionjohnston There is lots of atemi demonstrated in this video. You are looking for what you think you are suppose to see, instead of looking at what is there.
This video is no attack and no defense. I saw some strange movement 2 people are trying by force to demonstrate their knowledge of some techniques. And where is Aikido?
@vitnin We are not trying to demonstrate our knowledge of techniques, we do that in our video titled "technique demo". You can't see what is happening because you are not used to seeing any of this displayed against active resistance.
@jayjaygeebee I don't think you're too far off in a way. Aikido is designed to deal with multiple attackers, avoiding clinch situations. This practice ignores that idea. Both Judo and Aikido are founded on the techniques found in Koryu Jujutsu. Kano focused on one on one, Ueshiba on multiples, so it's not too surprising that you can easily see the resemblance.
There are lots of techniques in this video that you wouldn't see in Judo, Nikyo for example, but there are many similar things.
boy that was horrible!! randori??? NOT! redirect,control,disarm... that skirmish did nothing from what i saw..guy in black got slashed & cut 5 times and still managed to switch knife hands! thats all b.s.!! u see hands switch? follow up with a counter switch too and the reapeat.. redirect,control,disarm...horrible..practice, practice.. muscle memory, should come natural. just like a blink of an eye.. look up atemi-ryu u will see real randori commit to ur movements!
Why is it every time some American Aikidoka puts up video of free training, they go for grappling. Learn what you're studying!! Let him try and cut you and blend with it! It can be done!
@pimpdalyrical No it cannot; you're a fool. If you say it can, prove it against resisting, actual opponents. Otherwise, go hang yourself you LARPing fag.
Yes, it can be done. I do it all the time. Go down to any local Aikido school and ask them to demonstrate. Unless you're just another Aikido doubting coward.
Just because you or your favorite UFC fighter can't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done. Perhaps you should try taking a martial art, then you would know how LARPing is how every art is studied.
@pimpdalyrical You're such a clown it's pathetic. I've done free sparring with shitkido fools at judo practice; they got PWNed so badly that they now never come in to spar; ever. I have never seen a single one "blend" in with anything other than the mat when their faces are smashed down into it. You're a joke; if you claim you can do it, then tape it and post it you horses ass. Otherwise, quite running your cock sucker.
Sure you did punk. Or maybe you just thought your favorite meathead UFC fighter did that.
The cowardice oozes out of your posts boy. I don't need to tape shit, I went to Iraq and experienced ACTUAL fights. Not some staged nonsense with a ref. When you're as ready as an Aikidoka to face a fight you can't tap out of, let me know. TIl then you're nothing but internet tough. Just another fatass in your mom's basement compensating for a small dick with Tapout t-shirts.
Last chickenshit doubter like you I met, Bend&fist, I proved he didn't have a single move that could hurt me. Then I fucked his girlfriend with my big black dick.
@donoberloh What an appropriate BS answer for anyone with no formal aiki training. Neither one of you have any balance, breath control or even keep one point.
All Japanese sensei are proud of their lineage, you obviously have no formal training in Aikido, nor lineage to Japan. I feel sorry for your students.
Looks pretty good! Have you tried with more aggressiveness? Maybe someone with less technique, but more forward motion and repeated thrusts (like that seen in prison altercations, the so called 'sewing machine' attack).
Peace through aiki is obtained when no-one ever attacks anyone on the grounds that everyone knows aikido and has learned that the agressor is the most vulnerable. .Now you poorly trained aikidoka, get out there and practice, think deeply about why aikido is a martial art and not a dance routine. Examine it, pull it apart and find your own road to aikido rather than your sensei's.
Harmony? Well harmony doesn't mean peace in any sense of the word. It means more than one element working together to create a single entity as in a musical harmony. As in a musical harmony each note must be different ie a c sharp and an f. In martial language, HIS AGRESSION AND YOUR NON AGRESSION working together to create a technique.
KievAMF complains that only he knows what aiki is. Well here's my tuppence worth. AIKI is the harmonising of spirit. In japanese both of these words have several meanings. Yes we should harmonise the spiritual energy but ki also means intent so we should harmonise our intent. If a person intends to hurt you then hurting them is permissable, if they intend you no harm then you intend them none.
I can't believe how many so called aikidoka on this board are slating this kind of practice. Do you people not learn above hiki-taki-gaeko? These guys are obviously exploring movement and opportunity using aikido and an aiki mentality to do so. It's the poorly trained aikidoka out there who are making aikido look bad, the big flowery tenkan movements should some day become almost invisible. Aikido doesn't get bigger, it gets smaller.
@KievAMF Well there is lots of debate going on right now about what exactly "Aiki" is.
But the part where the koshi nage happens is what I would call an "aiki" moment, and the part where there is an ikkyo ura waza is a part I would call "aiki".
@KievAMF If I lived in your simple world, I would, like you, have simple answers. However once you begin down the path of understanding a thing, the world is not so black and white.
There is a thread right now on Aikiweb where several Aikido experts are asking what "Aiki" really is. Many of them with over 20 years experience.
By the way, if you look at my other videos, you will see my definition of "Aiki" 12 years in the works. How many years have you been working on your definition?
@ChuShinTani ok u live in beautiful world of art tha coul be different, bright and funny. I live in world of combat, that is as simple as black&white or winner&looser.
About aiki I could ask studetns of Takeda mainline. As for me it's sounds logically to ask mainline Ueshiba's tearcher, that mainline of Ueshiba itself.
My ten years aiki research bring me to a point of understanding that we can't "jump" to aiki level instantly. Aiki practice should be based on something more simple.
Despite all you bla bla bla, you know that aikido its not about fighting, its about unify energies and redirect them, if you want to struggle you go and get sumo wrestling, or jiu jitsu.
Needs more aggression. Attack him morote dori use that to bring him onto the elbow as you enter in behind him. The elbow strike then blends into irimi nage. Or you make morote dori, and then make shiho nage or something from that. Or if you insist in going in gyaku hamni then go straight into sumi otoshi or go through uchi irimi into something like uchi kaiten. If you want to avoid a wrestling match like this you have to be more decisive. Ikken hisatsu, one strike decides all for better or worse
You know that neither person is just standing there right? I mean if one person attempts an attack, the other adjusts to stop him from applying technique.
What you are describing is an ideal situation; what we are showing is random application. This is confusing for most people. Don't be discouraged, one day you might be able to understand what you are seeing here. The best thing for you to do is clear your mind and forget most of the nonsense you think is important. empty your cup!
You realise that if you dropped the attitude of "I don't want to loose" and instead took on an attitude of "win at all costs" you might get somewhere.
I'm not saying practice without control, I'm saying practice in the spirit of ikken hisatsu rather than walking up to each other grabing in a way that creates resistance and then trying to figure out ways of overcoming the resistance you artifically create. If you're going to enter in, enter in fully, enter in with power and speed other wise why bother with an art that depends so heavily on an agressive and over powering entry?
you need realistic speed attacks various not complient ukes they never attack like that in the real world i know i was glassed at 15 it should be realistic and done with meaning not just playing .
We'd do a similar activity in San Soo, one guy with a (practice) knife, the other guy trying to not get cut/stabbed. Sometimes it got a little hairy, but fun nonetheless! Great vid!
Beautiful. Nobody really appreciates the struggle for a knife in actual combat, how dangerous it is, but you guys did very well. Excellent exercise, although with some desire for more defined technique (aside from the two perfectly executed take-downs).
Thank you very much. It is seldom that those who appreciate traditional Japanese style Aikido/Jujutsu technique can also appreciate training against resistance!
Everyday at our school is a progression towards prefect technique executed with good timing (Aiki) under stressful situations where you face resistance. Hopefully as time goes on, we'll have more video's, better then this.
People dont understand how or why Aikido is practised in a soft manner,,,it is impossible to recreate a genuine attack in any dojo, in any style of martial art,, but i will say this Aikido is very effective in real life. I am a policeman for the past 16 years and have used the physical side of Aikido a few times over the years to great effect, and I mean a few. Training with resistance is great and I love it and learn a lot from it. Colm.
I've studied Aikido, I love the philosophy behind it but I also believe you must know how to strike. Also people that say that this video sucks, IT'S TRAINING!!! This is not MMA aka Caveman Fighting, this is a way of life.
Its trying to work on specific skills. If you just go all out all the time you dont really learn. Different excercises for developeing different things. That why you often see guys just falling down with no real resistance. Its defined its there job to do so. They are just meant to stimulate , get you working on timeing, aviodence etc. 4 levels if you like 1 uke is passive he dosent get tricking, level 2 a little resistance/countering, level 3 randori toshu or tanto, & level 4 competition.
The problem with having uke-less randori is that Aikido doesn't really have any attacks...without a uke, both sides would basically be just standing there waiting for the other side to do something.
I feel that Aikido training would do well to incorparate a few very basic attacks from other martial arts...not to turn aikido into a fighting art, because thats not its intent, but rather to make full resistance randori a real possibility...
When I say standing doing nothing, I mean 'waiting for the uke to do an attack'. What you have here isn't truly uke-less, because you have an armed guy in the mix...hes the attacker.
To be truly ukeless, neither side should be the designated attacker: Either individual should be equally expected to launch the first attack.
What you have is still nice work though...I'm not knocking what you are doing; I gave it four stars. My last comment was for improvement of aikido in general.
I have infinitely more respect for aikidoka who do resistance training than those who do not (I have the same feelings when it comes to every martial art).
is what i said. this trains a user of aikido to use and feel the little energy an opponent does give off. this is good practice for aikido practicioners.
It is clear that I should disable comments on my video's. Few people have anything of interest to offer, and me saying the same things over and over are clearly not getting us anywhere.
Disabling the comments won't really accomplish anything.
Now as for the video, I wasn't impressed while watching it... Up until the wicked throw at 0:55. Aikido seems to be very hard to apply to opponents who fight back, but I think that's mostly because most of the practice isn't geared towards it.
I think you guys just need to work on your full resisting opponent more, and you'll start getting more positive comments.
That is our goal. Finding effective Aikido under pressure.
Disabling comments won't accomplish anything, but neither is keeping them. It's a moot point either way I guess. It's just a bummer to read the same crap over and over.
When training with our sensei we often try full resitence training, BUT with different levels. I.e. 1 will try apply kote gaeshi while the other is very strong and tyriing to resist all the way.
We find this can be really helpful AND a good way of finding the variation in the technique. In the end it's very, very difficult to resist AND when it comes on it can hurt a lot more BUT as long as your both aware of "the break" everyone should be fine.
i really like the idea of this training . When u start off holding like u are i think there's less oppourtunities to 'IRIMI'. Or maybe the 'IRIMI' is just going to be different. When our dojo does similar training our focus is more on ka zushi, then irimi for a technique, which all relies heavily on your tai sabaki the more resistence there is.
interesting way of training tho and very worthwhile in my opinion
He is not really my enemy, we are friends just training. So kicking him in the balls, then dropping him for submission, in this situation would be no different then doing that if we were playing basket ball or some other friendly activity.
Offically randori means between two or more opponets and then it would be a randori, yes. But in Aikido Aikikai-and this is THE traditional Aikido from the founder Morihei Ueshiba-it means the aikidoka defends against multiple attackers.
Many people will argue with you about which Aikido is Ueshibas Aikido. Saito said it was his because he spent more time with o sensei, and he spent the latter part of his life in Iwama. Shioda said it's his, because he teaches the way O sensei used to teach. Kisshomaru (aikikai) said it was his because he has the same last name(his son).
Lots of people have legitimate claims on "traditional" Aikido.
Yeah i prefer to just call it aikido and stay out of the politics. Who gives a s*it if its this school or that school. If the principles are there its aikido and if you are having fun who cares what that other school down the road thinks.
What do you mean by Randori? Randori is a limited free practice. A practice that moves away from from, and into non-cooperative training. That looks like what we have to me.
But noncooperative is a relative term you know and can vary from 0 to 100%. In my school, randori practice as i have seen it but not practiced yet (i am 5th kyu), starts from fully cooperative and goes to about 70% noncooperative as it can et pretty dangerous from then on...
Thats your school. In mine multiple atacks would be ninindori, sanindori etc. Randori would be one on one both of you are tori if you like. Niether wanting to be thrown. You have toshu randori which is empty hand and tanto with a knife. I belive judo is the same but no tanto.
Try it yourself and see what happens. I'd love to see any Aikidoka in the world try this, and see if it looks any different. Dancing around in dresses playing pretend isn't Aikido either.
if someone resists an aikido technique their shoulder wrist or arm will be broken. thats why people jump around dancing. they dont want their arm broken in practice. aikido is all about moving your body and pressuring week points of attackers body.
I am an Aikikai certified black belt, my students resist my techniques all the time, and I have yet to brake any ones wrist or shoulder. What you are describing is a myth, perpetuated by ignorance.
aaaaarrggghhhhh! this is unbelievable! has anybody in this outfit even taken the time to ask what the word AIKIDO means? where is the harmony? where is the KI? if it's not present, then they should feel free to call their art whatever else more aptly describe it.
pidru88, no offense, how are you going to drop someone onto their head with harmony? I love aikido. They should drop the "harmony" and "ki" stuff. I know thats what its based on. But someone who actually may use it in a fight to save their head from being stomped is NOT going to start by training their inner harmony. The only harmonizing that should be done here is harmonizing the opponets head into the ground.
mudbaby, happy to know we at least agree on one thing, they should drop the harmony and ki stuff. an aikidoka who understands and lives the discipline would not aspire to drop someone on their head and would not even desire to fight. i know its a bit confusing given the oxymoron "martial art of peace" but really, it makes sense.
Aiki, or Harmonization of Energy, has nothing to do with contrived ideas of peace or love. It has to do with learning the rhythms of your attacker and being able to blend with them and lead him to his own defeat.
The concept of Aiki is much older then Ueshiba, and much much older then the Average American Aikidoka who is obsessed with fantasy ideas about love and peace. The way of Aiki has many different interpretations.
Aikido seems to be very... artsy without practical use... but some of the principles of it's techniques can be surprisingly effective... do not listen to the haters out there, your art is beautiful and effective if you take what really really is effective ^_^
I would say that this is not a very good representation of Aikido. The Tori, (when the Uke makes contact and tries to stab the) might do a tencan kotigash against the knife hand, aikido is more about moving your body in situations, otherwise the other guys' mates are gonna stab you in the back
Excellent job. It really is awesome to see true Aikidoka that practice their techniques with resistance, rather than all the BS compliant stuff out there.
Oh, and the fact that the Koshi nage, came from a double wrist grab, and not a Judo set up. If you look at other video's of ours, you'll see several Arm/Wrist techniques.
I agree with the ranger, but I also need to agree with kristuck down there saying you guys are training better than any Aikido practitioners on youtube!
You should do judo along with aikido. It would make you a bit better in this situation. I saw a ton of throws where I'd still control the knife.
TenteixSaigo 2 weeks ago
Why so many dislikes?? Nice vid
IssaTai 4 weeks ago
@IssaTai Butthurt Aikidoka saying he is doing it wrong when this is the only video I've found with actual resistance, thus the only one that, as a Judoka, I would call Randori.
TheTerrorUforgot 3 weeks ago 2
@TheTerrorUforgot You're a judoka too?! We should do randori some time.
TenteixSaigo 2 weeks ago
@TenteixSaigo You close to Iowa?
TheTerrorUforgot 2 weeks ago
@TheTerrorUforgot Fuck that. lol
TenteixSaigo 2 weeks ago
Good stuff guys, there needs to be more aikidoka like you!
theshninja 4 months ago
It seems a typical Tomiki aikido sparring . Resembles Jud a little but that's normal 'cause Tomiki aikido is a judo aikido mix .
AverageJoe843 4 months ago
Why bother with useless and pointless gaykido when you can study judo for instance and to alot better than is demonstrated here. In fact, I suspect that you have judo experience because the throw you initiated was not from gaykido but judo. Gaykido is a silly farce.
xChuckNorrisKickx 6 months ago
Good training , it remember , in a kind of way , the Hatenkai Aikido randori .
Good job , ChuShinTani.
OxnardMontalvo1 9 months ago
my dear aikido teacher used to make us fight like that...throwing real punches and we had to catch the punch and then apply the technique..my teacher used to say "nobody is gonna let take his hand to smack him on the floor,thats why u gotta punch,kick and wait the right moment to apply aikido and brake his bone"
1789crazy 10 months ago
Great vid! But I was just wondering if you were trying to get to Tenkan at all? Tenkan is a really good technique to use in such case you don't have to struggle with the guy, and Tenkan could possibly lead to other techniques. I dunno, that was just an idea... If I was in your shoes, that's what I would have done.
NTNGUYEN 11 months ago
wow that must be very hard! training with a resisting opponent test your skill in applying your aikido techniques
bethovendogster 1 year ago
@bethovendogster Thanks, it's been a challenge. Through lots of trial and error, we found this practice to not exactly fit Aikido's context. However this type of practice is fun, and can teach you much about traditional Japanese Jujutsu techniques, and how they can apply to martial situations.
ChuShinTani 1 year ago
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propositionjohnston 1 year ago
@propositionjohnston There is lots of atemi demonstrated in this video. You are looking for what you think you are suppose to see, instead of looking at what is there.
ChuShinTani 1 year ago
lol that koshinage was nice ;D
hendrikmarine 1 year ago
@hendrikmarine Thanks.
ChuShinTani 1 year ago
@hendrikmarine I agree that was a very nice koshi nage... It was great to see it in a resistive situation.
NTNGUYEN 11 months ago
This video is no attack and no defense. I saw some strange movement 2 people are trying by force to demonstrate their knowledge of some techniques. And where is Aikido?
vitnin 1 year ago
@vitnin We are not trying to demonstrate our knowledge of techniques, we do that in our video titled "technique demo". You can't see what is happening because you are not used to seeing any of this displayed against active resistance.
ChuShinTani 1 year ago
@vitnin
i saw technique all in that vid, when he was taking the knife away, when the sensei threw him over his hip, when the student used nikyo at the end.
brian369258147 7 months ago
It is not an Aikido .
vitnin 1 year ago
@vitnin Care to clarify? Or at the very least, support your statement?
ChuShinTani 1 year ago
@vitnin No, because most Aikido is co-operative crap. This is worthwhile, and the dojo should be congratulated for what they are doing.
callum828 11 months ago
2 aikido people fighting ends up looking like a judo match
jayjaygeebee 1 year ago
@jayjaygeebee I don't think you're too far off in a way. Aikido is designed to deal with multiple attackers, avoiding clinch situations. This practice ignores that idea. Both Judo and Aikido are founded on the techniques found in Koryu Jujutsu. Kano focused on one on one, Ueshiba on multiples, so it's not too surprising that you can easily see the resemblance.
There are lots of techniques in this video that you wouldn't see in Judo, Nikyo for example, but there are many similar things.
ChuShinTani 1 year ago
boy that was horrible!! randori??? NOT! redirect,control,disarm... that skirmish did nothing from what i saw..guy in black got slashed & cut 5 times and still managed to switch knife hands! thats all b.s.!! u see hands switch? follow up with a counter switch too and the reapeat.. redirect,control,disarm...horrible..practice, practice.. muscle memory, should come natural. just like a blink of an eye.. look up atemi-ryu u will see real randori commit to ur movements!
greenbottle86 1 year ago
@greenbottle86 I couldn't find any atemi ryu randori videos, only techniques and forms. You do understand that this is not theory, but sparring?
ChuShinTani 1 year ago
Why is it every time some American Aikidoka puts up video of free training, they go for grappling. Learn what you're studying!! Let him try and cut you and blend with it! It can be done!
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical No it cannot; you're a fool. If you say it can, prove it against resisting, actual opponents. Otherwise, go hang yourself you LARPing fag.
Blndrfist 1 year ago
@Blndrfist
Yes, it can be done. I do it all the time. Go down to any local Aikido school and ask them to demonstrate. Unless you're just another Aikido doubting coward.
Just because you or your favorite UFC fighter can't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done. Perhaps you should try taking a martial art, then you would know how LARPing is how every art is studied.
Or should i just call you kommitard?
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@pimpdalyrical You're such a clown it's pathetic. I've done free sparring with shitkido fools at judo practice; they got PWNed so badly that they now never come in to spar; ever. I have never seen a single one "blend" in with anything other than the mat when their faces are smashed down into it. You're a joke; if you claim you can do it, then tape it and post it you horses ass. Otherwise, quite running your cock sucker.
Blndrfist 1 year ago
@Blndrfist
Sure you did punk. Or maybe you just thought your favorite meathead UFC fighter did that.
The cowardice oozes out of your posts boy. I don't need to tape shit, I went to Iraq and experienced ACTUAL fights. Not some staged nonsense with a ref. When you're as ready as an Aikidoka to face a fight you can't tap out of, let me know. TIl then you're nothing but internet tough. Just another fatass in your mom's basement compensating for a small dick with Tapout t-shirts.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
@Blndrfist
Last chickenshit doubter like you I met, Bend&fist, I proved he didn't have a single move that could hurt me. Then I fucked his girlfriend with my big black dick.
You might know him. Goes by the name Kommisar.
pimpdalyrical 1 year ago
I am sorry, Ive only trained with the Aikikai since 1973, have ti yet see any aiki waza similar to this...Who may I ask is your sensei?
donoberloh 1 year ago
@donoberloh You would be hard pressed to see any other Aikido school do "waza" similar to this; even if you've done Aikido for 37 years.
ChuShinTani 1 year ago
@donoberloh What an appropriate BS answer for anyone with no formal aiki training. Neither one of you have any balance, breath control or even keep one point.
All Japanese sensei are proud of their lineage, you obviously have no formal training in Aikido, nor lineage to Japan. I feel sorry for your students.
donoberloh 1 year ago
did you convert a basement into a dojo? if so nice job thats realy cool
chevygearhead454 1 year ago
Looks pretty good! Have you tried with more aggressiveness? Maybe someone with less technique, but more forward motion and repeated thrusts (like that seen in prison altercations, the so called 'sewing machine' attack).
theshninja 1 year ago
Peace through aiki is obtained when no-one ever attacks anyone on the grounds that everyone knows aikido and has learned that the agressor is the most vulnerable. .Now you poorly trained aikidoka, get out there and practice, think deeply about why aikido is a martial art and not a dance routine. Examine it, pull it apart and find your own road to aikido rather than your sensei's.
aikifan77 1 year ago
Harmony? Well harmony doesn't mean peace in any sense of the word. It means more than one element working together to create a single entity as in a musical harmony. As in a musical harmony each note must be different ie a c sharp and an f. In martial language, HIS AGRESSION AND YOUR NON AGRESSION working together to create a technique.
aikifan77 1 year ago
KievAMF complains that only he knows what aiki is. Well here's my tuppence worth. AIKI is the harmonising of spirit. In japanese both of these words have several meanings. Yes we should harmonise the spiritual energy but ki also means intent so we should harmonise our intent. If a person intends to hurt you then hurting them is permissable, if they intend you no harm then you intend them none.
aikifan77 1 year ago
I can't believe how many so called aikidoka on this board are slating this kind of practice. Do you people not learn above hiki-taki-gaeko? These guys are obviously exploring movement and opportunity using aikido and an aiki mentality to do so. It's the poorly trained aikidoka out there who are making aikido look bad, the big flowery tenkan movements should some day become almost invisible. Aikido doesn't get bigger, it gets smaller.
aikifan77 1 year ago
good koshinage
kijokentaijitsu 1 year ago
@kijokentaijitsu Thanks.
ChuShinTani 1 year ago
Bad ju-jutsu
KievAMF 1 year ago
@KievAMF Close minded.
ChuShinTani 1 year ago
@ChuShinTani ok, mark moments of aiki using on this video and I'll be "far minded"
KievAMF 1 year ago
@KievAMF Well there is lots of debate going on right now about what exactly "Aiki" is.
But the part where the koshi nage happens is what I would call an "aiki" moment, and the part where there is an ikkyo ura waza is a part I would call "aiki".
ChuShinTani 1 year ago
@ChuShinTani how do u able to practice aikido if u don't know what is aiki? next time maybe we'll se ur sparring with boxer titled "Aikido Randori"
by the way, on youtube was interwiev with Kondo-sensei and he had explained, as it actually possible explained in speach, what is aiki
KievAMF 1 year ago
@KievAMF If I lived in your simple world, I would, like you, have simple answers. However once you begin down the path of understanding a thing, the world is not so black and white.
There is a thread right now on Aikiweb where several Aikido experts are asking what "Aiki" really is. Many of them with over 20 years experience.
By the way, if you look at my other videos, you will see my definition of "Aiki" 12 years in the works. How many years have you been working on your definition?
ChuShinTani 1 year ago
@ChuShinTani ok u live in beautiful world of art tha coul be different, bright and funny. I live in world of combat, that is as simple as black&white or winner&looser.
About aiki I could ask studetns of Takeda mainline. As for me it's sounds logically to ask mainline Ueshiba's tearcher, that mainline of Ueshiba itself.
My ten years aiki research bring me to a point of understanding that we can't "jump" to aiki level instantly. Aiki practice should be based on something more simple.
KievAMF 1 year ago
@KievAMF Sorry you live in such a bad place.
ChuShinTani 1 year ago
@ChuShinTani it's ur own choise: grace and beaty of art against "teeth" of combat. But MARK it correctly!
KievAMF 1 year ago
aikido is not totally wrong resistance this form of training
darkjiraya666 2 years ago
This is struggling, not aikido!!
ticosexy22 2 years ago
Struggling is a fact of life. Whenever two people have approximately the same level of ability, and have opposing goals, struggle is unavoidable.
However in this struggle we learn, and become better. Without struggle there is no growth. Growth is a major goal for me in my Aikido training.
ChuShinTani 2 years ago
Despite all you bla bla bla, you know that aikido its not about fighting, its about unify energies and redirect them, if you want to struggle you go and get sumo wrestling, or jiu jitsu.
Just my two cents
ticosexy22 2 years ago
"Despite all you bla bla bla"
Exactly.
ChuShinTani 2 years ago
Whatever i'd pay to see that real life hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahah
ticosexy22 2 years ago
Needs more aggression. Attack him morote dori use that to bring him onto the elbow as you enter in behind him. The elbow strike then blends into irimi nage. Or you make morote dori, and then make shiho nage or something from that. Or if you insist in going in gyaku hamni then go straight into sumi otoshi or go through uchi irimi into something like uchi kaiten. If you want to avoid a wrestling match like this you have to be more decisive. Ikken hisatsu, one strike decides all for better or worse
ketsan 2 years ago
You know that neither person is just standing there right? I mean if one person attempts an attack, the other adjusts to stop him from applying technique.
What you are describing is an ideal situation; what we are showing is random application. This is confusing for most people. Don't be discouraged, one day you might be able to understand what you are seeing here. The best thing for you to do is clear your mind and forget most of the nonsense you think is important. empty your cup!
ChuShinTani 2 years ago
You realise that if you dropped the attitude of "I don't want to loose" and instead took on an attitude of "win at all costs" you might get somewhere.
ketsan 2 years ago
I don't know if you understand this is training; not a death match. We are just training man, grow up.
ChuShinTani 2 years ago
I'm not saying practice without control, I'm saying practice in the spirit of ikken hisatsu rather than walking up to each other grabing in a way that creates resistance and then trying to figure out ways of overcoming the resistance you artifically create. If you're going to enter in, enter in fully, enter in with power and speed other wise why bother with an art that depends so heavily on an agressive and over powering entry?
ketsan 2 years ago
As I said, keep training and maybe you can answer your own questions.
ChuShinTani 2 years ago
you need realistic speed attacks various not complient ukes they never attack like that in the real world i know i was glassed at 15 it should be realistic and done with meaning not just playing .
djassimilator 2 years ago
Again, if you have video of you doing such a practice I would love to see it.
ChuShinTani 2 years ago
crap i can do better and im 3rd ku traditional but did tomiki when iwas little and was good at tanto and as a 10yr old did better
djassimilator 2 years ago
I'd love to see the video.
ChuShinTani 2 years ago
0:55 ... "WHAKA!" ... plays pac-man a lot lol...btw gr8 vid...love aikido
SNAKEgokuVERGIL 2 years ago 4
bravo. you dont see much of resistance training in some forms.
Martial arts without some basis for martial form is just an art? Might as well paint a picture...it may look much prettier
thiswayupUK 2 years ago
try some videos of steven seagal for better look
zzztriplexzzz 2 years ago
We'd do a similar activity in San Soo, one guy with a (practice) knife, the other guy trying to not get cut/stabbed. Sometimes it got a little hairy, but fun nonetheless! Great vid!
kainthornn 2 years ago
That looked great!
bzterp 2 years ago
great throw!!!!
dichaos 2 years ago 2
Beautiful. Nobody really appreciates the struggle for a knife in actual combat, how dangerous it is, but you guys did very well. Excellent exercise, although with some desire for more defined technique (aside from the two perfectly executed take-downs).
Xinsama 2 years ago
Thank you very much. It is seldom that those who appreciate traditional Japanese style Aikido/Jujutsu technique can also appreciate training against resistance!
Everyday at our school is a progression towards prefect technique executed with good timing (Aiki) under stressful situations where you face resistance. Hopefully as time goes on, we'll have more video's, better then this.
Thanks again.
ChuShinTani 2 years ago
People dont understand how or why Aikido is practised in a soft manner,,,it is impossible to recreate a genuine attack in any dojo, in any style of martial art,, but i will say this Aikido is very effective in real life. I am a policeman for the past 16 years and have used the physical side of Aikido a few times over the years to great effect, and I mean a few. Training with resistance is great and I love it and learn a lot from it. Colm.
colmtrim 2 years ago
lol, if you have to struggle like that, in my opinion your in big trouble. But nice throw, just follow through to a hold.
JeffreyJamesLippold 2 years ago
I've studied Aikido, I love the philosophy behind it but I also believe you must know how to strike. Also people that say that this video sucks, IT'S TRAINING!!! This is not MMA aka Caveman Fighting, this is a way of life.
SkinSin13 2 years ago 2
a brilliant comment,,,fair play to ya
colmtrim 2 years ago
love it guys, i love it!
so nice to see aikido like this instead of compliant drills. keep up the good work
Petervigors 2 years ago
Thanks.
ChuShinTani 2 years ago
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golfio13 2 years ago
Thanks for the comment, and the punctuation.
ChuShinTani 2 years ago
they suck
DarkFlarePrince 2 years ago
Thank you oh exalted "darkFlarePrince"!
I understand you have a very low Thac0, and you roll many dice for your attack!!
ChuShinTani 2 years ago
The 'D' is capitalized...
DarkFlarePrince 2 years ago
so basically the other randoris i have seen were total crap then?
dondappa85 2 years ago
Not sure what else you've seen...
ChuShinTani 2 years ago
In the other randoris,the opponents fall with just a simple touch.
dondappa85 2 years ago
Just another kind of training.
ChuShinTani 2 years ago
Why is the guy with the knife standing just there an let his wrist get grapped, instead of slashing/stabbing?
Or was it part of the "rules"?
Kurosakikun2k6 3 years ago
Part of the "drill". This shows only one of the drills we do at Central Valley Aikido.
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
stunned
hardrain08 2 years ago
Its trying to work on specific skills. If you just go all out all the time you dont really learn. Different excercises for developeing different things. That why you often see guys just falling down with no real resistance. Its defined its there job to do so. They are just meant to stimulate , get you working on timeing, aviodence etc. 4 levels if you like 1 uke is passive he dosent get tricking, level 2 a little resistance/countering, level 3 randori toshu or tanto, & level 4 competition.
tenshinage77 2 years ago
The problem with having uke-less randori is that Aikido doesn't really have any attacks...without a uke, both sides would basically be just standing there waiting for the other side to do something.
I feel that Aikido training would do well to incorparate a few very basic attacks from other martial arts...not to turn aikido into a fighting art, because thats not its intent, but rather to make full resistance randori a real possibility...
taicho123 3 years ago
If you were just standing there doing nothing, the armed guy would cut/strike you.
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
When I say standing doing nothing, I mean 'waiting for the uke to do an attack'. What you have here isn't truly uke-less, because you have an armed guy in the mix...hes the attacker.
To be truly ukeless, neither side should be the designated attacker: Either individual should be equally expected to launch the first attack.
What you have is still nice work though...I'm not knocking what you are doing; I gave it four stars. My last comment was for improvement of aikido in general.
taicho123 3 years ago
It does the first 5 of the randori no kata are atemi waza. Attack techniques. All can be done with out uke doing anything.
tenshinage77 2 years ago
Nice to see a video of aikido with resistance! Makes it look all the more authentic!
obiwancanuck 3 years ago
looks like fight at the ole pizzeria, who's gonna be the manager?
AikiRooster 3 years ago 4
Nice video, well shot.
Mezzurchadnezzah 3 years ago
good training. Nice little dojo, get some drywall though.
crossriflecom 3 years ago
HAHAHA, Drywall might spruce up the place!! haha.
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
I have infinitely more respect for aikidoka who do resistance training than those who do not (I have the same feelings when it comes to every martial art).
I take it you guys do tomiki aikido?
Robdoggh 3 years ago
The foundation of our Aikido is Iwama. But we do lots of drills and exercises that, as far as I know, are unique to our school. Like the drill above.
Thanks for your comments.
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
Esto no es aikido, es etro tipo de lucha que no tiene nada que ver..
jgr1971 3 years ago
It is, but it's better to be able to let people express their thoughts about what they see, than pretend that they aren't there.
But it's good to see that there are people out there pressure testing Aikido, rather than ignoring the idea of it.
Morihei Ueshiba himself was pressure tested while he was training with Takeda.
ResidentNinja 3 years ago
It's not pretending they aren't there. It's simply not giving them a venue to spew their thoughtless ramblings.
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
It's your call.
ResidentNinja 3 years ago
lmao. dood. I'm not done..
this is effective however.
Its not bad practice. "much" aikido..
is what i said. this trains a user of aikido to use and feel the little energy an opponent does give off. this is good practice for aikido practicioners.
MrPinoy91 3 years ago
the reason I have trouble with this however is aikido is for redirecting enegry.. in this case ..no energy. so no use for..."much" aikido.
instead. I rather use Jujisu and judo.. for this type of confrontation.
MrPinoy91 3 years ago
It is clear that I should disable comments on my video's. Few people have anything of interest to offer, and me saying the same things over and over are clearly not getting us anywhere.
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
Disabling the comments won't really accomplish anything.
Now as for the video, I wasn't impressed while watching it... Up until the wicked throw at 0:55. Aikido seems to be very hard to apply to opponents who fight back, but I think that's mostly because most of the practice isn't geared towards it.
I think you guys just need to work on your full resisting opponent more, and you'll start getting more positive comments.
I liked it though.
ResidentNinja 3 years ago
That is our goal. Finding effective Aikido under pressure.
Disabling comments won't accomplish anything, but neither is keeping them. It's a moot point either way I guess. It's just a bummer to read the same crap over and over.
Thanks for your comment.
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
hey bro nice vid. interesting training style.
When training with our sensei we often try full resitence training, BUT with different levels. I.e. 1 will try apply kote gaeshi while the other is very strong and tyriing to resist all the way.
We find this can be really helpful AND a good way of finding the variation in the technique. In the end it's very, very difficult to resist AND when it comes on it can hurt a lot more BUT as long as your both aware of "the break" everyone should be fine.
nikaubro 3 years ago
me again.
i really like the idea of this training . When u start off holding like u are i think there's less oppourtunities to 'IRIMI'. Or maybe the 'IRIMI' is just going to be different. When our dojo does similar training our focus is more on ka zushi, then irimi for a technique, which all relies heavily on your tai sabaki the more resistence there is.
interesting way of training tho and very worthwhile in my opinion
nikaubro 3 years ago
Thanks for your comments.
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
who is this dude!
this guys is only using pshyical no ki!
lol and ya randori mean 2 or more people =\
that is why you wrote resitance because the way i learn aikido is the restiance will make the other oppenent have an easier time
be relax and always flow ki and you can take anyone down
standard156 3 years ago
Awesome video game clips you have there.......
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
why you wear a skirt? That black thing is that a hakama? I thing that you should kick em in the balls and drop em on the ground for a submission :<
BeLegit7 3 years ago
Skirts are fun.
Yeah it's a hakama.
He is not really my enemy, we are friends just training. So kicking him in the balls, then dropping him for submission, in this situation would be no different then doing that if we were playing basket ball or some other friendly activity.
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
yeah hehe just kiddin good stuff though.
BeLegit7 3 years ago
Offically randori means between two or more opponets and then it would be a randori, yes. But in Aikido Aikikai-and this is THE traditional Aikido from the founder Morihei Ueshiba-it means the aikidoka defends against multiple attackers.
SeagalAikidoka 3 years ago
What office does this definition come from?
Many people will argue with you about which Aikido is Ueshibas Aikido. Saito said it was his because he spent more time with o sensei, and he spent the latter part of his life in Iwama. Shioda said it's his, because he teaches the way O sensei used to teach. Kisshomaru (aikikai) said it was his because he has the same last name(his son).
Lots of people have legitimate claims on "traditional" Aikido.
Randori literally means "grab freedom".
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
Yeah i prefer to just call it aikido and stay out of the politics. Who gives a s*it if its this school or that school. If the principles are there its aikido and if you are having fun who cares what that other school down the road thinks.
tenshinage77 2 years ago
This is not Randori. 1 Star
SeagalAikidoka 3 years ago
While I have no doubt as to your mastery of Aikido. Please do explain how this is not randori.
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
looks like you guys are really try to train.. I'll keep watching. nice job.
monji112000 3 years ago
Thanks for that.
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
Where is the Aikido in this?
priapus26 3 years ago
What do you mean? What do YOU think Aikido is? This is not the static practice know an Aikido, no, but it's another kind of Aikido practice.
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
I mean i dont see any moves... Any locks, throws or anything... They are just pushing eachother
priapus26 3 years ago
Then you're not looking hard enough. In this short clip, there are 2 nikyos, a koshi nage, and and Ikkyo.
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
ok my bad. but i dont see any randori for sure :)
priapus26 3 years ago
What do you mean by Randori? Randori is a limited free practice. A practice that moves away from from, and into non-cooperative training. That looks like what we have to me.
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
Well in my school by Randori we mean the exercise with multiple uncooperative attackers that attack free style
priapus26 3 years ago
In Judo it means one on one throwing, in Bjj it means one on one wrestling, in different schools it might mean different things specifically.
Your school does noncooperative multiple attacker randori? If so I'd love to see video. Is there any up on youtube?
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
No there's no video yet.
But noncooperative is a relative term you know and can vary from 0 to 100%. In my school, randori practice as i have seen it but not practiced yet (i am 5th kyu), starts from fully cooperative and goes to about 70% noncooperative as it can et pretty dangerous from then on...
priapus26 3 years ago
Thats your school. In mine multiple atacks would be ninindori, sanindori etc. Randori would be one on one both of you are tori if you like. Niether wanting to be thrown. You have toshu randori which is empty hand and tanto with a knife. I belive judo is the same but no tanto.
tenshinage77 2 years ago
I liked very much this video.I'd like to have your email to speak with you about this kind of work! Thank you for posting it!
Aikijinja 3 years ago
Thanks.
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
sorry but this is not aikido. where is tenkan, where is irimi. these guys are just pushing eachother
baran83 3 years ago
Try it yourself and see what happens. I'd love to see any Aikidoka in the world try this, and see if it looks any different. Dancing around in dresses playing pretend isn't Aikido either.
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
if someone resists an aikido technique their shoulder wrist or arm will be broken. thats why people jump around dancing. they dont want their arm broken in practice. aikido is all about moving your body and pressuring week points of attackers body.
baran83 3 years ago
I am an Aikikai certified black belt, my students resist my techniques all the time, and I have yet to brake any ones wrist or shoulder. What you are describing is a myth, perpetuated by ignorance.
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
who is your sensei
baran83 3 years ago
My Aikido teacher was Patrick Cassidy. I currently do not have an Aikido teacher. Who is your sensei?
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
aaaaarrggghhhhh! this is unbelievable! has anybody in this outfit even taken the time to ask what the word AIKIDO means? where is the harmony? where is the KI? if it's not present, then they should feel free to call their art whatever else more aptly describe it.
pidru88 3 years ago
pidru88, no offense, how are you going to drop someone onto their head with harmony? I love aikido. They should drop the "harmony" and "ki" stuff. I know thats what its based on. But someone who actually may use it in a fight to save their head from being stomped is NOT going to start by training their inner harmony. The only harmonizing that should be done here is harmonizing the opponets head into the ground.
mudbaby0769 3 years ago 2
mudbaby, happy to know we at least agree on one thing, they should drop the harmony and ki stuff. an aikidoka who understands and lives the discipline would not aspire to drop someone on their head and would not even desire to fight. i know its a bit confusing given the oxymoron "martial art of peace" but really, it makes sense.
pidru88 3 years ago
Aiki, or Harmonization of Energy, has nothing to do with contrived ideas of peace or love. It has to do with learning the rhythms of your attacker and being able to blend with them and lead him to his own defeat.
The concept of Aiki is much older then Ueshiba, and much much older then the Average American Aikidoka who is obsessed with fantasy ideas about love and peace. The way of Aiki has many different interpretations.
ChuShinTani 3 years ago
this is when you loose the sense of aikido.
why would you create an equallibrium with your opponent.. if the attacker does not charge at you than you don't need to deffend.
MrPinoy91 4 years ago
On a sky with water, falls the heavy stone. This is why life is unlike corn. So why would your feet back out?
ChuShinTani 4 years ago
wtf does that mean.. lmao.
Actually I re-watched your video.
were their is a soft style you must also undertsand hard.
Your video brings the hard out of aikido.
:>
MrPinoy91 3 years ago
Aikido seems to be very... artsy without practical use... but some of the principles of it's techniques can be surprisingly effective... do not listen to the haters out there, your art is beautiful and effective if you take what really really is effective ^_^
Panzernakr 4 years ago
Thanks, I agree.
ChuShinTani 4 years ago
aikido is a joke--doesn't seem practical at all. and that resistance was weak :)
kxcxixn 4 years ago
Like your post?
ChuShinTani 4 years ago
I would say that this is not a very good representation of Aikido. The Tori, (when the Uke makes contact and tries to stab the) might do a tencan kotigash against the knife hand, aikido is more about moving your body in situations, otherwise the other guys' mates are gonna stab you in the back
seektheforce 4 years ago
We were the only two people there.
ChuShinTani 4 years ago
But in a real life situation any guy thats gonna come after you in the street would probably have mates with him.
seektheforce 4 years ago
I assure you, what you are seeing is done in real life.
ChuShinTani 4 years ago
Excellent job. It really is awesome to see true Aikidoka that practice their techniques with resistance, rather than all the BS compliant stuff out there.
CRDFightClub 4 years ago
Thank you very much; we try.
ChuShinTani 4 years ago
Aikido is more art than martial. This proves it, since the only move that either person got off was a judo body throw, not an aikido arm/wrist throw.
mvidmaster 4 years ago
Well, except for that Ikkyo there at the end.
Oh, and the fact that the Koshi nage, came from a double wrist grab, and not a Judo set up. If you look at other video's of ours, you'll see several Arm/Wrist techniques.
ChuShinTani 4 years ago
I agree with the ranger, but I also need to agree with kristuck down there saying you guys are training better than any Aikido practitioners on youtube!
etanderson 4 years ago