If there were any truths to this man's claims, then this man would be dead and all their Research and development would be in the hands of a government.
@Chainedflesh Why do people believe this? The government really is just a function of the people. What would the government gain from keeping this from the people? It would be a massive boon to the economy, and would only result in more government revenue via taxes (which would go into budgets that pay for stuff for the people).
The only country that wouldn't want this to come out is possibly Saudi Arabia, or any other country that is built on oil exports.
@particle409 - I am not arguing whether or not this technology is real because I'm not that smart. I simply want to point out that there are extremely rich people whose level of comfort and luxury is maxed-out. That is to say, no technological break through will improve their lives. They are on top of the world and the only thing that could disturb that would be a something like this. I speculate that this would take enormous power away from the elite. The motivation is there.
How does this differ from the Adam's motor or other previous HV miliamp pulse coil motors? I ask because you say ORBO discovered an enomalty in the magnetic field or something, but to me it just looks like an HV miliamp 36awg wire Over Unity motor which have been around for years in the underground.
Why so few views? Come on people, I want every one of you to forward this video link to someone, ok? Let's get this out, we want a groundswell of public demand to drive the implementation of this technology. Steorn is still not beyond being "gotten to" - the higher their prominence in the public eye the harder it is to bury them.
It is a design simulation. However, in real life, you have minimal actual battery drain since the system draws its energy for the "unknown source" (actually draws from the hidden dimensions shown in quantum mechanics) the baterry recharging circuit could thus be quite small, the rest of the work done by the rotor is available to drive loads. That is the priciple of Orbo.
even tho the ones on display are only prototypes he has one of them hooked up to a very technical monitor , i just cant see how a fella can stand there and let you test this machine , and sheepol still believe its a scam.. ,, Keep up the good work Sean fair play ,,
If this video is to be convincing, it really has to explain how the thing works - as it is, the explanation is too vague and that raises red flags of doubt.
when you meet the fella face to face he will talk and answer any questions you have, i met him today ,, i must admit before we went in we were a little optimistic then when we had a look around , and got talking to Sean McCarthy and yes hes very nice , we had a good chat , and he answered my questions , im happy the device works ,
NO..NO.. All you you tuber Physics Heads have been telling me now for the past year or more that this (can't) be done.. WTF ..Now there's no one to SHOUT The Laws of Physics. lol.Now what will you all do. That's all you could do before.. lmao. The limited minds of Physic Heads on you tube. Physics today is just that.(TODAY). For tomorrow just might bring new and unknown Technologies
@24hosting: If I may speak on behalf of all "tuber Physics Heads"... No one ever claimed that it was impossible for something to spin for a long time. The Earth does it, right?
This video does not present any evidence that there is power being generated. What about it has gotten you so excited?
obviously they would have "yelled" that at you to explain that it cant be done, its what they were taught (and i was taught). now if this is a real breakthrough, they'll yell something else at you to explain the new laws. but i have huge doubts about this. maybe energy is being lost in some other way that isnt seen.
i will not be surpirsed if this company gets bought by one of the biggest oil companies and then the project will be closed....like it happens most of the time when a new source of energy is found....
So really an over unity device is just tapping into what an alternator taps into, just in a much more efficient way hence over unity. So in reality the law of conservation of energy in not violated, firstly because its not a closed system, and secondly the energy is not created ex nihilo. It is being pulled from all around us just as the alternator does.
I think most people have been taking this for granted.
but, isn't it, like he said, creating more energy than the battery puts in or something? If you could elaborate or be so kind as to point me in the direction of your knowledge I would be much obliged
I really don't know why people are so skeptical about over unity devices when we have had the alternator since the late 1800s. Where does that energy come from!? Sure you have to apply mechanical energy to achieve some sort of current, but that current comes from somewhere. More precisely it comes from everywhere as magnetism is all around us.
The only success this company will have is duping a few million Euros from some naive investors.... The technology simply.... DOES NOT WORK.... If it worked why would you need a battery???
A battery is simply a storage device for electrical energy. This technology deals with the extraction of energy from electromagnetic fields. Just as an alternator does but in a much more efficient way; to the point of over unity. In an alternator a magnetic field collapses but then sucks in free electrons to re-establish its original magnetic field. Otherwise the alternators magnetic field would rapidly deplete and no longer be able to produce current.
the battery is rechargable via the work being done by the machine, but the work the machine is doing is greater than that of the battery's input, so they are claiming that this is a perpetual motion machine or whatever because you get more than what you put in and you can just keep feeding in back through.
it doesn't necessarily create energy. i think it accesses a form of energy we haven't really been aware so far. and the magnets channel that energy...
I bet you any money if this is not suppressed they will find an ion/plasma field around it, this means the air around the unit is getting exited and ejecting electrons, those electrons are getting added to the system. If I am right they will find a anti gravity feature involved with it as well ;).
The way magnets are used in this system are much the same as springs. If you hold two springs and press them together, they will only push each other apart with the same amount of force that you push them together. This is exactly what's happening with the opposing magnetic force in this experiment.
The amount of energy in the universe is constant and unchanging. This is held to the point that energy is borrowed from the future to maintain this balance in quantum mechanics.
But there isn't any proof with those laws. It is just like saying god exists. If you want to question it, deliver us better proof of those laws than the other church. You have my blessing. The burden of proof is on the claimant not the victim of groupthink.
That said, Steorn is jet to come up with proof your religion is a fraud also. They do have your attention witch is a priceless business asset. The septics seem to loose the argument either way.
Sorry to pick at hairs, but the first law of thermodynamics states that energy can not be created or destroyed. It doesn't state that you can not get more energy out than the operator puts in. Look at heat pumps. Many times more heat generated than what the operator had to pay for. This is free energy and completely within accordance with the first law.
If you count ALL the energy entering the system compared to all the energy leaving it then yes. But you said free energy, ie energy that wasn't paid for by the operator. There are plenty of devices and other systems out there that output more energy then WE have to put in. They are called open systems.
Over-unity's free energy definition doesn't include an outside energy source that is larger than the energy the device produces.
ie; a heat pump collects outside energy in that is free"no cost" to the end user but never the less is a larger amount of energy outside the heatpumps internal power requirements and mirrors the solar panel collection style of energy capture and transference. Mind your first two sentences are completely opposing but it did humor me .
Yes; there's no such thing as free energy, and it's not possible to gain "free" energy from magnets either because magnets only respond to forces applied to them. Google: where do magnets get their energy.
The magnetic force itself is in every material which is made up from atoms. This is due to the movement of the electrons around a core - simply explained. But in magnets, this so-called magnetic moment of almost all atoms shows in an equal direction, so the magnetic force is "noticeable".
Suspending my disbelief for long enough to write this comment: the mechanism looks simple, and cheap to manufacture.
So why wouldn't Steorn by now have created (at the very least) a few dozen models, linked them together in parallel or series or whichever combination works best? Remove the D cell from the system.
Maybe their system doesn't scale well in terms of size, but would in terms of numbers of units. Show us a room sized system that creates enough energy to run one light bulb?
correct me if im wrong, but you cannot charge and discharge a battery at the same time as he is saying he is doing in the video. the reactions for charging or discharging happen between both electrodes simultaneously, and the reaction at each electrode are different depending on if its charging/discharging...
its not like you are just draining water out one end and you can fill it up in the other...
If you look at the positions of the magnets on the motor and the generator, you will see they are out of phase and so could perform cycles of charge and discharge. 4 times per revolution in this case.
You guys should develop a machine that runs on bullshit, because apparently you have an inexhaustible supply of the stuff. Seems a shame to let it all go to waste.
@madrobot this is probably real i hope you know ley lines are real too i've heard all sorts of stuff the pyramids are batteries etc..let's pray it gets going cause oil wars are a riot, not!
Hopefully at some point over the next few days they can allow an independent analysis of the ORBO gizmo to see if it is a fraud / mistake / major breakthrough
Best of luck with the launch to Séan and the gang!
I met Séan in limerick at one of his presentations a few months ago, he is genuine, fun loving and down to earth. A nicer person you will not meet, very unassuming. I wish him every success. I am not a scientist, all I'ill say is that, NEVER SAY NEVER.
I'm an EE and also an Inventor with many patents.
I've seen similar forums where my gadgets were criticized by the "experts" and I had to LOL reading most of them.
People has the tendency to show that negative attitude for some funny reason.
Again, Steorn is working on something what may help mankind and I'm keeping my finger crossed for they success and for the memory of my great ancestor who died during an unsuccessful flight experiment a century ago.
2:22 I have just spotted from the model that there are 8 large coils rotating the device and only four small coils recharging the battery. Surely this will run out of steam at some point?
You've got the sun! Allright, a solar system is not cheap, but in 7-10 years the investment is covered by the amount of energy you don't have to pay. And BTW, those who claim this is not possible, are like the people on the 19th century laugh at the guys trying to fly planes. There's a saying that goes "you should keep your mind open, but not so open the brain falls off". Your brain naver will fall as you can't ever think outside the box. Let's continue burning oil, that's very clever, thought.
I had an email off them this evening stating that they were going live on Saturday at some time, but what worried me more was the fact that it uses a battery to complete the circuit!
The problem with physics today is when they dont understand something, like singularities,angular momentum,tourque(everyting in the univ spins..and there is no "Battery") They do 2 things
1. They modify the equation to remove the inconsistancy.
2. They create terms to replace the unknown, like Dark Matter.
They should admit they just don't understand. Unknowing fuels science discovery, not knowing.
They teach theory as fact in school.. wake up people!
All the scientists I've met LOVE the unexplained because it GIVES THEM SOMETHING TO DO! New phenomena that need explanation or new theories that need testing are WHAT KEEPS SCIENTISTS EMPLOYED.
If there were any validity to Steron's claims the physicists of the world would be lining up to pay that licensing fee so they could win a few Nobel prizes based on their OWN research into the phenomena.
why is it so hard to accept that maybe your physics-teacher was wrong?
has anybody ever tried to imagine what magnetism actually is? why should electrons that spin in the same direction create a field that can attract matter? is the amount of magnetic power REALLY the amount of energy sb needed to make the electrons align? unless you don't know what makes a magnet magnetic, you can't apply the first of law of thermodynamics.
do some research on dr. claus w. turtur all you parrots
The "Laws of thermodynamics/physics" are a man made invention by observing scenarios. The more we research and observe, the more things change and we will understand, Quantum Physics tellus this.
The laws will change.. History has proven this..
1500 years ago, everybody knew...Earth was the center of the universe.
500 years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat.
And 15 minutes ago, you knew that this was impossible
Eratosthenes measured the diameter of the earth 2250 years ago, so I doubt many people thought the Earth was flat as recently as 500 years ago. The real question is, could Steorn could put together a presentation fancy enough to convince people TODAY that the Earth is flat? The answer appears to be Yes.
If this is outputing more energy that they're inputting it would be easily evaluated by simple lab measurements. Putting one up and running so people can just *look* at it however proves nothing...
Blinded By Science: Three Words That Could Overthrow Physics: WHAT IS MAGNETISM?
Certainly the 4-year-old Albert Einstein was amazed. When his father showed him a compass, it was young Alberts first clue, he later wrote, that there was something behind things, something deeply hidden, and he spent his life TRYING to find it.
Reading all these skeptic comments and mostly negative reactions, it's reminding me those Verne books I've had read.
Not even 50 years ago who had the guts to tell people "there is going to be a day when you can send voice, pictures out a tiny palm device from anywhere of the world."
Why are we so negative about good efforts like this one ?
Just because we are "Jealous" ?
I do appreciate the work these people give to mankind.
Even before then Arthur C. Clarke spoke of a system of complex machines that would one day encircle the globe and form an advanced communication and tracking system, we now call these machines 'Satellites' and that system is the GPS. (Global Positioning System).
These negative individuals have build a 'box' around their brain, based on outdated 'scientific facts' and theories formulated long ago. The unknown threatens their 'knowledge box'.
Verne didn't say, "I invented a submarine that could travel 20,000 leagues under the sea. Verne didn't say, I found a way and traveled to the Center of the Earth. Verne didn't claim he invented a space ship and traveled around the moon."
He wrote stories and these things and believed they would come true.
Steorn DO claim to have invented OU and then show us a motor running on a battery?
if it actually produces a net gain in energy as they claimed, then you should be able prove it easily. Start the device with battery being half charged, and measure the battery again after to see if the charge is depleted or is there a gain.
well if you do that you would afterwards have to CLAIM having (succesfully) done it. you would upload information on youtube, and maybe even install some livestream. what happens next can be read below
Developed nations tend to go with the scientific method. It's a brutal, hostile, vicious process by which a claim is tested and retested by a variety of experimenters. Reproducibility is a critical component of this process.
One or two tests COULD be faked. Hundreds (and if any tests showed promise there WOULD be hundreds of verification efforts) of tests in multiple countries can't.
The issue is not whether Steorn is trying to fool us. The point of a challenge like pokenei's is that, by doing the experiment, Steorn will find out for themselves that the battery is not charging. Then they can make some face-saving excuse and quietly fade away. (A capacitor is a better choice than a battery, btw, as it's easier to tell how much charge it has.)
that's possible, but if they're not trying to fool anybody, mustn't they be pretty confident it will charge? consider the way they went public, and the fact that they invite everybody to join efforts...
marsp85: I'm sure it can't work, because I've bet on the side of energy conservation my whole life and it's never let me down. Second, if they knew it was generating power, they would come right out and say say "it's generating 3 mW"; instead Sean makes cryptic statements like "the efficiency is probably in a 3:1 ratio". That says to me that their only evidence is that it keeps spinning for a long time.
That's called "science by press conference" and is looked down upon very poorly by actual scientists. It's considered one of the major red flags of a quack or scam.
and another thing: does the fact that nobody falls off the earths surface proof that the earth is flat? the paradigm, makes the believe- system which science only can or can't legitimise.
Their own hand picked jury declared the "generator" to be hooey:
"Twenty-two independent scientists and engineers were selected by Steorn to form this jury. It has for the past two years examined evidence presented by the company. The unanimous verdict of the Jury is that Steorn's attempts to demonstrate the claim have not shown the production of energy. The jury is therefore ceasing work."
That was with an older model of the device - I believe they used a regular magnet on that one - now they use an electromagnet? I know nothing about physics or anything though so i'm not really sure
It would be REALLY COOL if it were real, but the simple fact remains that building a free energy or perpetual motion device would require the violation of one of the few laws of physics that has NEVER been seen to be breakable. There isn't even a theoretical model for how to build such a thing.
the term free energy is misleading, and furthermore the concept of a magnet is misunderstood. the first law of thermodynamics is not violated, as you do not operate a closed system when using magnets.
A magnetic motor will not generate more energy than was needed to magnetize the magnets to begin with. Doing so WOULD voilate the laws of Thermodynamics. The magnetic filed is degraded during the operation of the motor. Without an electromagnet to regenerate the field the magnet will decay with use.
of course it will create more energy than was put in building it. the magnets in the motor do not get weaker over time by operating the device. so if you have enough time...
imagine you produced a permanent magnet (like neodym or sth.) that of course has a magnetic field through which in conventionally said the magnetic energy is put out as some force. Without physically damaging the magnet, how long will it take the magnet to be "empty"?
it will never be empty, because it "channels" a form of energy that is part of the 95% unkown "dark energy", "dark mass" or whatever ridicolous names one might give it. There isn't any energy created or destroyed. a magnet makes it manifest. that is the concept of all free energy
Ok, now we're claiming that we can call on unknown dark energy or dark mass? That makes no sense.
What makes the energy "dark" is that it is unknown, can not (or rather has not) been understood. For to manifest would constitute the discovery of what this energy truly is. I need a little more documentation for that assumption :D
you're right "dark energy" and "dark mass" are the wrong terms, because they mystify sth very basic & observable which is nothing else than the "ether" that all of our predecessors knew of.
I may be misunderstanding you, but accepting Ether is accepting that all matter is made of 5 basic elements (fire, water, wind and all that jazz). That's been disproven.
@marsp85 When you said Dark Energy and Dark mass I knew you were bogus. We haven't been able to even locate dark energy or dark mass on earth, much less it powering our magnets? psfh
"of course it will create more energy than was put in building it."
That would constitute a violation of the laws of thermodynamics.
"the magnets in the motor do not get weaker over time by operating the device."
That's not true. "Permanent" magnets (As opposed to electromagnets) weaken over time. The act of attracting and repelling other magnets, as in a motor, weakens the magnetic field by pulling the magnetized material out of alignment.
a permanet magnet does not become weaker unless it is physically damaged. heat, or heavy kinetik impulses (don't know how else to put it: hit it with a hammer) are the only ways to destroy the alignment of electrons in a permanent magnet. and of course time can do that. maybe your even right, in the aspect that it would take about the same amount of energy to align the electrons as it would to disalign them again. but that has nothing to do with the magnetic force itsself
and this no violation of the first law as the only closed system is all there is. due to your nick i assume you' re into astrophysics a little, and so you surely know that the largest part of "All there is" is not known, cannot be measured or seen in any way. when you put that in your equasion you don't have to with the first law. very simple, thats where it comes from and goes to.
"a permanet magnet does not become weaker unless it is physically damaged"
I hate to break it to you, but that's not true. "Permanent" only means the magnet doens't need an electric current to stay magnetized.
Please read up on "coercivity" to learn how much energy is needed to demagnetize a given magnet and "magnetostriction" to learn the mechanics of HOW magnets lose their charge over time. Use in a motor will cause the kind of flux that degrades a magnet.
i'll do that. and maybe i got over one or the other possibility to demagnetize permanent magnets, but nonetheless i'm sure, that what you describe is related to the alignment and disaligment of electrons (is that understandable in english?) which is needed to access magnetic force.
the guy in the video says that heat is produced,so of course this is gonna disturb the alignment over time. but as i said before: the alignment is not the force itsself. a magnet channels energy from elsewhere to here
The force is derived from the alignment of the atoms in the material. This is why physical damage can remove magnetic properties. The strength of the magnetic field is related to the alignment of the atoms in the magnetized material. The heat will only accelerate the degradation of the magnetic field.
yeah right. we agree on that. and you need as much energy to create an alignment, as you need to destroy the same one.
(i just introduced the term "alignment", without knowing if its a proper one, hope it works)
but "pulling out" magnetic force or "accessing it" does not neccesarily degrade the alignment to the same amount of energy you just took out, because the alignment is not the force.
"Without physically damaging the magnet, how long will it take the magnet to be "empty"? "
All you have to do is expose the magnet to a quantity of energy that exceeds the coercivity of the magnet. This does not need to be done all at once as in a magnetic tape bulk eraser. It can happen over time. Each rotation of the motor will reduce the coercivity of the component magnets until they reach zero or at they very least are unable to sustain rotation.
It depends on what the magnets were made from, how much work the motor is doing, how much the magnets vary in their total field strength and how close to saturation the magnets were at the beginning.
Due to the losses inerrant in any transfer of energy from one form to another you'll never get back all the energy you put into the system. In an ideal world with perfect mechanics and no heat or friction you might get back 80 out of every 100 Newtons used to create the magnets.
Well, unless everything you`ve learned in your text books is outdated knowledge.
You don`t take that into account, you act as if we. the human race have achieved some ultimate understanding of the universe and that from here on in, no new forms of science physics will ever be discovered.
Take a deep breath, and realize our scientific understand is constantly changing as we learn more, don`t put yourself in this 'all knowing knowledge box' , it`s childish, egocentrical and frankly unscientific.
I never claimed that we knew everything and your insinuation that I did borders on libel.
The bottom line is no reputable physicist today claims that a "Free energy" device is possible. There are NO published theories out there that claim it's possible. Your defense of such devices boils down to "Well we don't know everything."
Guess what? You can't build technology based on science that no one knows.
This is complete bollocks. What possible use could this serve? Even it it can sustain its motion for eternity (which it can't) what good is a spinning plastic thing. As soon as you attach it to something it will discharge the battery.
you are wrong. this machine ist not a "perpetuum mobile". there is magnetic power. and this power
will be aktivated to drive a rotor.
it only shows another way to use a "one-way" directed power as every useable power normaly is a "one-way" directed vector.
you must only know, how to go the way BACK.
people like james watt have shown the way of power going in the other direction. it´s a little trick....nothing more, in each machine.
moment0323 1 year ago
If it turns out that this technology actually works, I will donate my piano, one of my legs, and my wife to Steorn.
Luftwaffe013 1 year ago 13
Some numbers?RPM limit?Torque?
I assume that 10000 mAh battery can be charged by wind power...
Correct me if i'm wrong im not really into this stuff...
nlero 2 years ago
If there were any truths to this man's claims, then this man would be dead and all their Research and development would be in the hands of a government.
Chainedflesh 2 years ago
not entirely true, the chances are high but not 100%
skerm27 1 year ago
@Chainedflesh Why do people believe this? The government really is just a function of the people. What would the government gain from keeping this from the people? It would be a massive boon to the economy, and would only result in more government revenue via taxes (which would go into budgets that pay for stuff for the people).
The only country that wouldn't want this to come out is possibly Saudi Arabia, or any other country that is built on oil exports.
particle409 1 year ago
@particle409 - I am not arguing whether or not this technology is real because I'm not that smart. I simply want to point out that there are extremely rich people whose level of comfort and luxury is maxed-out. That is to say, no technological break through will improve their lives. They are on top of the world and the only thing that could disturb that would be a something like this. I speculate that this would take enormous power away from the elite. The motivation is there.
jgposner 1 year ago 6
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Tbonyandsteak 2 years ago
The energy comes from the other side of the gate, in the world of alchemy. Where are the Elrick brothers when you need them... =/
atomicengineer 2 years ago 3
this made my day. ;D
Kristaps0 2 years ago
The ability to generate infinite energy is insignificant when compared to the power of the force
nd4spd296 2 years ago 44
That was the greatest single line I ever saw man :D
Ioanides001 2 years ago
where do they keep the flux capacitor?
Tweekin0ut 2 years ago 2
If it is putting out more energy than it is putting in, couldn't you remove the battery once you have started it up?
tubadoremeow 2 years ago 31
Sure, just like we can remove your car battery out once you have started it up. What happens when you go to start it next time?
seebey1 2 years ago
actually you PUT an almost dead battery in it and the machine will process the leftover energy into more enrgy to charge it.
The product is designed to capture the publics attention to believe that another alternative source exists
libertypatrol 2 years ago 3
to what end? they say they're not accepting any commercial enterprising until they can prove it to the community.
I never heard of a scam that doesnt accept money
discoer 2 years ago
For a number of years now, work has has been proceeding in order to bring
prefection to the crudely conceived idea of a machine that would work to not
only supply inverse reactive current, for use in unilateral phase detectors, but
would also be capable of automatically synchronising cardinal grammeters. Such
a machine is the 'Steorn Orbo'. Basically, the only new principle involved
is that instead of the power being generated by the relaxive motion of
conductors and fluxes, it is produced...
aabaa 2 years ago
The only thing inverse here is your impoverished mind.
seebey1 2 years ago 3
How does this differ from the Adam's motor or other previous HV miliamp pulse coil motors? I ask because you say ORBO discovered an enomalty in the magnetic field or something, but to me it just looks like an HV miliamp 36awg wire Over Unity motor which have been around for years in the underground.
PhuqueU 2 years ago
Why so few views? Come on people, I want every one of you to forward this video link to someone, ok? Let's get this out, we want a groundswell of public demand to drive the implementation of this technology. Steorn is still not beyond being "gotten to" - the higher their prominence in the public eye the harder it is to bury them.
seebey1 2 years ago
Just looking at the design, you have 8coils consuming energy, and only 2 providing energy from the same system. How can it produce more?
animateclay 2 years ago 3
It is a design simulation. However, in real life, you have minimal actual battery drain since the system draws its energy for the "unknown source" (actually draws from the hidden dimensions shown in quantum mechanics) the baterry recharging circuit could thus be quite small, the rest of the work done by the rotor is available to drive loads. That is the priciple of Orbo.
seebey1 2 years ago
he reminds me Fish from Maryllion
Moryszon 2 years ago
why live cameras all gone?
vpo20 2 years ago
even tho the ones on display are only prototypes he has one of them hooked up to a very technical monitor , i just cant see how a fella can stand there and let you test this machine , and sheepol still believe its a scam.. ,, Keep up the good work Sean fair play ,,
bensbargains 2 years ago
Well only close circuit demo with no batteries
can be convincing
vpo20 2 years ago
If this video is to be convincing, it really has to explain how the thing works - as it is, the explanation is too vague and that raises red flags of doubt.
bodryn 2 years ago 4
when you meet the fella face to face he will talk and answer any questions you have, i met him today ,, i must admit before we went in we were a little optimistic then when we had a look around , and got talking to Sean McCarthy and yes hes very nice , we had a good chat , and he answered my questions , im happy the device works ,
bensbargains 2 years ago
NO..NO.. All you you tuber Physics Heads have been telling me now for the past year or more that this (can't) be done.. WTF ..Now there's no one to SHOUT The Laws of Physics. lol.Now what will you all do. That's all you could do before.. lmao. The limited minds of Physic Heads on you tube. Physics today is just that.(TODAY). For tomorrow just might bring new and unknown Technologies
24hosting 2 years ago
@24hosting: If I may speak on behalf of all "tuber Physics Heads"... No one ever claimed that it was impossible for something to spin for a long time. The Earth does it, right?
This video does not present any evidence that there is power being generated. What about it has gotten you so excited?
spiel496 2 years ago 6
fighting a losing battle here man. Thumbs up from me for taking a scientifically skeptical approach.
sbtech01 2 years ago 4
obviously they would have "yelled" that at you to explain that it cant be done, its what they were taught (and i was taught). now if this is a real breakthrough, they'll yell something else at you to explain the new laws. but i have huge doubts about this. maybe energy is being lost in some other way that isnt seen.
bigfoot156 2 years ago
did you make a test In the high emtinees? perhaps it does`t work....! what is the real purpose of this presentation?
skycollection 2 years ago
I might be convinced if they were showing another device connected utilising the excess energy (i.e. a string of lights)
BritMiss 2 years ago
whats tht song at the end, any1 know?
1234abcd113 2 years ago
So, the machine produces more work than it requires to do that work. That's amazing! Where is the gerbil-wheel attached?
AliasUndercover 2 years ago
i will not be surpirsed if this company gets bought by one of the biggest oil companies and then the project will be closed....like it happens most of the time when a new source of energy is found....
hyderbomb 2 years ago
@hyderbomb
I don't think that that would matter now since they've made this public and its quite simple to build.
Anyone could work further on this project.
mitrenome 2 years ago
Seriously, if this works, then HURRY UP!!!
The world needs it = )
jcfractal 2 years ago
Hows about giving me a free one to try in my house?? :P
easzlee 2 years ago
So really an over unity device is just tapping into what an alternator taps into, just in a much more efficient way hence over unity. So in reality the law of conservation of energy in not violated, firstly because its not a closed system, and secondly the energy is not created ex nihilo. It is being pulled from all around us just as the alternator does.
I think most people have been taking this for granted.
themiln 2 years ago
but, isn't it, like he said, creating more energy than the battery puts in or something? If you could elaborate or be so kind as to point me in the direction of your knowledge I would be much obliged
nstrucky 2 years ago
I really don't know why people are so skeptical about over unity devices when we have had the alternator since the late 1800s. Where does that energy come from!? Sure you have to apply mechanical energy to achieve some sort of current, but that current comes from somewhere. More precisely it comes from everywhere as magnetism is all around us.
themiln 2 years ago
The only success this company will have is duping a few million Euros from some naive investors.... The technology simply.... DOES NOT WORK.... If it worked why would you need a battery???
snowfan 2 years ago
A battery is simply a storage device for electrical energy. This technology deals with the extraction of energy from electromagnetic fields. Just as an alternator does but in a much more efficient way; to the point of over unity. In an alternator a magnetic field collapses but then sucks in free electrons to re-establish its original magnetic field. Otherwise the alternators magnetic field would rapidly deplete and no longer be able to produce current.
themiln 2 years ago
the battery is rechargable via the work being done by the machine, but the work the machine is doing is greater than that of the battery's input, so they are claiming that this is a perpetual motion machine or whatever because you get more than what you put in and you can just keep feeding in back through.
nstrucky 2 years ago
it doesn't necessarily create energy. i think it accesses a form of energy we haven't really been aware so far. and the magnets channel that energy...
marsp85 2 years ago
I bet you any money if this is not suppressed they will find an ion/plasma field around it, this means the air around the unit is getting exited and ejecting electrons, those electrons are getting added to the system. If I am right they will find a anti gravity feature involved with it as well ;).
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
@1freedomfighter11 yes, they will, says solomon himself :)
PrincipiaLegorum 2 years ago
You can't obtain "free" energy from magnets.
The way magnets are used in this system are much the same as springs. If you hold two springs and press them together, they will only push each other apart with the same amount of force that you push them together. This is exactly what's happening with the opposing magnetic force in this experiment.
KileSimons 2 years ago
lol yal niggaz is crazy
calichevylover 2 years ago
would like to see the 60% residual power operating something and not being disipated as heat.
miketv2 2 years ago
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nja2015 2 years ago
First law of thermodynamics: There is no such thing as free energy.
KileSimons 2 years ago
Time will learn is there is no such thing as free energy...
For now, I just challenge you to visit them, or at least do some research.
The law is only based upon the fact that it never has been proven otherwise..
SjoerdReligion 2 years ago
The amount of energy in the universe is constant and unchanging. This is held to the point that energy is borrowed from the future to maintain this balance in quantum mechanics.
KileSimons 2 years ago
I already know what the laws of thermodynamics are, thank you..
SjoerdReligion 2 years ago
@SjoerdReligion
But there isn't any proof with those laws. It is just like saying god exists. If you want to question it, deliver us better proof of those laws than the other church. You have my blessing. The burden of proof is on the claimant not the victim of groupthink.
That said, Steorn is jet to come up with proof your religion is a fraud also. They do have your attention witch is a priceless business asset. The septics seem to loose the argument either way.
gabydewilde 2 years ago 2
@gabydewilde
I'm sorry, but I'm an atheist :)
By the way, I was defending Steorn here...
SjoerdReligion 2 years ago
@gabydewilde
(My username is a composition between my front name and the (atheist) band 'Bad Religion')
SjoerdReligion 2 years ago
Have a cookie
KileSimons 2 years ago
Sorry to pick at hairs, but the first law of thermodynamics states that energy can not be created or destroyed. It doesn't state that you can not get more energy out than the operator puts in. Look at heat pumps. Many times more heat generated than what the operator had to pay for. This is free energy and completely within accordance with the first law.
introvertebrate 2 years ago
Having a greater output energy than input is the very definition of creating energy.
KileSimons 2 years ago
@KileSimons
If you count ALL the energy entering the system compared to all the energy leaving it then yes. But you said free energy, ie energy that wasn't paid for by the operator. There are plenty of devices and other systems out there that output more energy then WE have to put in. They are called open systems.
introvertebrate 2 years ago
Over-unity's free energy definition doesn't include an outside energy source that is larger than the energy the device produces.
ie; a heat pump collects outside energy in that is free"no cost" to the end user but never the less is a larger amount of energy outside the heatpumps internal power requirements and mirrors the solar panel collection style of energy capture and transference. Mind your first two sentences are completely opposing but it did humor me .
ungwigwi 2 years ago
@KileSimons '
Bro this aint free energy I know becuz my dad was actualy working on something similiar to this
And his beta worked I see it But he had to quit cuz he didnt have enough time to fix the bugs in it
wowepicl 2 years ago
Yes; there's no such thing as free energy, and it's not possible to gain "free" energy from magnets either because magnets only respond to forces applied to them. Google: where do magnets get their energy.
The magnetic force itself is in every material which is made up from atoms. This is due to the movement of the electrons around a core - simply explained. But in magnets, this so-called magnetic moment of almost all atoms shows in an equal direction, so the magnetic force is "noticeable".
KileSimons 2 years ago
where does the work done upon gravity come from?
And it wouldnt rly be free energy cuz u r using magnets
wowepicl 2 years ago
The work done BY gravity comes from the work done TO gravity.
"And it wouldnt rly be free energy cuz u r using magnets"
But where do the magnets get their energy from?
KileSimons 2 years ago
Space time curvature
Metalluthier 2 years ago
No, that's where free M&Ms come form
KileSimons 2 years ago
Suspending my disbelief for long enough to write this comment: the mechanism looks simple, and cheap to manufacture.
So why wouldn't Steorn by now have created (at the very least) a few dozen models, linked them together in parallel or series or whichever combination works best? Remove the D cell from the system.
Maybe their system doesn't scale well in terms of size, but would in terms of numbers of units. Show us a room sized system that creates enough energy to run one light bulb?
badmanners411 2 years ago 3
make me a cup of tea using your device
theoneagain 2 years ago
in there first demo they never used a battery it was just an all out magnet motor
so why the confusion whats free if it needs to be powered
theoneagain 2 years ago
i need a device than can make me a cup of warm tea than i will start thinking about giving credibility to these so callled overunity devices
They are not practical
theoneagain 2 years ago
correct me if im wrong, but you cannot charge and discharge a battery at the same time as he is saying he is doing in the video. the reactions for charging or discharging happen between both electrodes simultaneously, and the reaction at each electrode are different depending on if its charging/discharging...
its not like you are just draining water out one end and you can fill it up in the other...
livenow999 2 years ago
If you look at the positions of the magnets on the motor and the generator, you will see they are out of phase and so could perform cycles of charge and discharge. 4 times per revolution in this case.
introvertebrate 2 years ago
You guys should develop a machine that runs on bullshit, because apparently you have an inexhaustible supply of the stuff. Seems a shame to let it all go to waste.
madrobot 2 years ago
@madrobot this is probably real i hope you know ley lines are real too i've heard all sorts of stuff the pyramids are batteries etc..let's pray it gets going cause oil wars are a riot, not!
justanothersheeple 2 years ago
No, it really is 100% bullshit.
madrobot 2 years ago
good what did the nazi's use for theirs and what is in the airforce hangers cause they're fucking round ships, then?
justanothersheeple 2 years ago
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KileSimons 2 years ago
Haha, well said!
KileSimons 2 years ago
Wow, I thought this hoax died years ago.
Digeridude 2 years ago
who plays this song??? :D
joking, somebody always must ask that.
Amazing video, good job guys. Let's work on it, and change the world.
alemdavaziamateria 2 years ago 2
Hopefully at some point over the next few days they can allow an independent analysis of the ORBO gizmo to see if it is a fraud / mistake / major breakthrough
Fingers crossed for the breakthrough
Chriswsm 2 years ago 4
Best of luck with the launch to Séan and the gang!
I met Séan in limerick at one of his presentations a few months ago, he is genuine, fun loving and down to earth. A nicer person you will not meet, very unassuming. I wish him every success. I am not a scientist, all I'ill say is that, NEVER SAY NEVER.
cholmain 2 years ago 2
I'm an EE and also an Inventor with many patents.
I've seen similar forums where my gadgets were criticized by the "experts" and I had to LOL reading most of them.
People has the tendency to show that negative attitude for some funny reason.
Again, Steorn is working on something what may help mankind and I'm keeping my finger crossed for they success and for the memory of my great ancestor who died during an unsuccessful flight experiment a century ago.
Best.
laszloee 2 years ago 3
2:22 I have just spotted from the model that there are 8 large coils rotating the device and only four small coils recharging the battery. Surely this will run out of steam at some point?
pikeystudmuffin 2 years ago
You've got the sun! Allright, a solar system is not cheap, but in 7-10 years the investment is covered by the amount of energy you don't have to pay. And BTW, those who claim this is not possible, are like the people on the 19th century laugh at the guys trying to fly planes. There's a saying that goes "you should keep your mind open, but not so open the brain falls off". Your brain naver will fall as you can't ever think outside the box. Let's continue burning oil, that's very clever, thought.
arapajoe 2 years ago
I had an email off them this evening stating that they were going live on Saturday at some time, but what worried me more was the fact that it uses a battery to complete the circuit!
pikeystudmuffin 2 years ago
The problem with physics today is when they dont understand something, like singularities,angular momentum,tourque(everyting in the univ spins..and there is no "Battery") They do 2 things
1. They modify the equation to remove the inconsistancy.
2. They create terms to replace the unknown, like Dark Matter.
They should admit they just don't understand. Unknowing fuels science discovery, not knowing.
They teach theory as fact in school.. wake up people!
end1r44 2 years ago
Where do you get your image of scientists?
All the scientists I've met LOVE the unexplained because it GIVES THEM SOMETHING TO DO! New phenomena that need explanation or new theories that need testing are WHAT KEEPS SCIENTISTS EMPLOYED.
If there were any validity to Steron's claims the physicists of the world would be lining up to pay that licensing fee so they could win a few Nobel prizes based on their OWN research into the phenomena.
halleyscomet 2 years ago
why is it so hard to accept that maybe your physics-teacher was wrong?
has anybody ever tried to imagine what magnetism actually is? why should electrons that spin in the same direction create a field that can attract matter? is the amount of magnetic power REALLY the amount of energy sb needed to make the electrons align? unless you don't know what makes a magnet magnetic, you can't apply the first of law of thermodynamics.
do some research on dr. claus w. turtur all you parrots
marsp85 2 years ago
The "Laws of thermodynamics/physics" are a man made invention by observing scenarios. The more we research and observe, the more things change and we will understand, Quantum Physics tellus this.
The laws will change.. History has proven this..
1500 years ago, everybody knew...Earth was the center of the universe.
500 years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat.
And 15 minutes ago, you knew that this was impossible
Imagine what you'll know...
end1r44 2 years ago
Eratosthenes measured the diameter of the earth 2250 years ago, so I doubt many people thought the Earth was flat as recently as 500 years ago. The real question is, could Steorn could put together a presentation fancy enough to convince people TODAY that the Earth is flat? The answer appears to be Yes.
spiel496 2 years ago 6
It was a quote from Men in black movie.. but u get the picture
end1r44 2 years ago
The fact that knowledge advances does not mean THIS particular theory is therefore correct.
"And 15 minutes ago, you knew that this was impossible"
And we will remain convinced it's impossible until presented with EVIDENCE (not marketing) demonstrating otherwise.
halleyscomet 2 years ago
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k0k3t00919 2 years ago
fake (violation of the 1'st law of thermodynamics)
saftacatalinmihai 2 years ago
Do they really think that we are this stupid?
The laws of thermodynamics don't bend for vaporware. *facepalm*
DumbDuck44 2 years ago 3
they also claimed they can turn a pint of guiness into a 1000 gallons of petrol
jannonymous 2 years ago
If we never had Steorn we'd never have known just how stupid some people can be. Some people believe this shite.
wikichris 2 years ago 2
Don't offer what you haven't got...
If this is outputing more energy that they're inputting it would be easily evaluated by simple lab measurements. Putting one up and running so people can just *look* at it however proves nothing...
Kyuudousha 2 years ago 4
"The Corrs - Radio" at 1:39
Lol!!
afdhalatifftan92 2 years ago
SI SEÑOR: ENERGÍA LIBRE!!!! YUHU!
FranGV1 2 years ago
if it did what you said it does you wouldn't be licensing it out. You would be selling the excess energy produced most likely.
elitesoldier55 2 years ago 2
Fraud.
chance20m 2 years ago
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Pinkpankadu 2 years ago
Blinded By Science: Three Words That Could Overthrow Physics: WHAT IS MAGNETISM?
Certainly the 4-year-old Albert Einstein was amazed. When his father showed him a compass, it was young Alberts first clue, he later wrote, that there was something behind things, something deeply hidden, and he spent his life TRYING to find it.
I've no further comment. ;)
laszloee 2 years ago
"WHAT IS MAGNETISM?"
"scientists" have been ignoring that one for centuries. They just pretend it isn't there when they fabricate their theories.
Cornswalled 2 years ago 2
So your best evidence is to blithely say "We don't know everything!"
Of course we don't know everything. If scientists thought they knew everything they would STOP.
halleyscomet 2 years ago
And they know enough at present to know that a kiddies playtoy running off a battery does not make a paerpetual motion machine.
Badassbok 2 years ago 4
i dont know if it really work but has cool music and presentation
ingesumadre 2 years ago 3
What SteveLane said, if it really worked, all it would need would be a capacitor, not a permanently attached battery.
ripporter 2 years ago
@ripporter That thing is spinning quite fast. Looks like in excess of 200 rpm... Is a capacitor responsive enough at that speed?
floorme44444 2 years ago
capacitors have much higher power density than batteries. meaning they can charge discharge extremely fast.
livenow999 2 years ago
Why would the rpm matter?
ripporter 2 years ago
If it generates more power than it uses then why does it need a battery ? This is a total fraud.
SteveLane 2 years ago
Skeptics from a "scientific" point of view, please do some research on Prof. Dr. Claus W. Turtur
marsp85 2 years ago
"Skeptic" is just a euphemism for "Denier."
Leave it be. They'll have to eat crow when this technology hits the streets in a couple of years.
Cornswalled 2 years ago 2
Reading all these skeptic comments and mostly negative reactions, it's reminding me those Verne books I've had read.
Not even 50 years ago who had the guts to tell people "there is going to be a day when you can send voice, pictures out a tiny palm device from anywhere of the world."
Why are we so negative about good efforts like this one ?
Just because we are "Jealous" ?
I do appreciate the work these people give to mankind.
Yes, even if it will fail, no matter.
Thank you guys at Steorn !
laszloee 2 years ago
Indeed, that is a good question brother.
Even before then Arthur C. Clarke spoke of a system of complex machines that would one day encircle the globe and form an advanced communication and tracking system, we now call these machines 'Satellites' and that system is the GPS. (Global Positioning System).
These negative individuals have build a 'box' around their brain, based on outdated 'scientific facts' and theories formulated long ago. The unknown threatens their 'knowledge box'.
gavinmacmounsey 2 years ago
have built a box*
gavinmacmounsey 2 years ago
So your big argument in favor of Steorn's claims is to appeal to science fiction books??
Good luck with that.
halleyscomet 2 years ago
That's not really a fair comparison.
Verne didn't say, "I invented a submarine that could travel 20,000 leagues under the sea. Verne didn't say, I found a way and traveled to the Center of the Earth. Verne didn't claim he invented a space ship and traveled around the moon."
He wrote stories and these things and believed they would come true.
Steorn DO claim to have invented OU and then show us a motor running on a battery?
Yeah, not even close to Jules Verne.
AmigaHeretic 2 years ago 5
@AmigaHeretic What if it runs off that one D cell for weeks? Would that convince you?
floorme44444 2 years ago
Problem is you go to their website and view the live streams, they change them out about every 5 hours.
Why would I need a week? Just let my hook a meter to it and take some readings. It should take about 30 seconds to see if it's real.
AmigaHeretic 2 years ago
Damn, I had this idea 5 or 6 jears ago -.-
combine a motor with an dynamo (hope that is korrekt englisch)
Hope it is not a lie !
I'll love you, make my dream true XD
00LexXx00 2 years ago
er, you need a lot more to convince me that your defying the law of the conservation of energy.
Energy put in = Energy put out.
Hell, he admits that heat is liberated and the talks about how the system is 300% efficient. Wtf? one may ask...
loyolaboy05 2 years ago 2
Even easier test.
Volt + Amp meter on one side.
Volt + Amp meter on the other side.
V*A in will be more than V*A out.
If V*A out is actually bigger, than all it proves is the ability to harness the magnetic energy from a perm magnet.
(which will degrade over time)
ShadowRam242 2 years ago 5
if it actually produces a net gain in energy as they claimed, then you should be able prove it easily. Start the device with battery being half charged, and measure the battery again after to see if the charge is depleted or is there a gain.
pokenei 2 years ago 6
well if you do that you would afterwards have to CLAIM having (succesfully) done it. you would upload information on youtube, and maybe even install some livestream. what happens next can be read below
marsp85 2 years ago
due to the fact, that erevything could be faked, those not able to believe will state that documentation ain't proof.
marsp85 2 years ago
so go ahead. get involved and try for yourself if you can't believe. the principles involved are so easy a 6 year old can get it
marsp85 2 years ago
Developed nations tend to go with the scientific method. It's a brutal, hostile, vicious process by which a claim is tested and retested by a variety of experimenters. Reproducibility is a critical component of this process.
One or two tests COULD be faked. Hundreds (and if any tests showed promise there WOULD be hundreds of verification efforts) of tests in multiple countries can't.
halleyscomet 2 years ago
The issue is not whether Steorn is trying to fool us. The point of a challenge like pokenei's is that, by doing the experiment, Steorn will find out for themselves that the battery is not charging. Then they can make some face-saving excuse and quietly fade away. (A capacitor is a better choice than a battery, btw, as it's easier to tell how much charge it has.)
spiel496 2 years ago 3
that's possible, but if they're not trying to fool anybody, mustn't they be pretty confident it will charge? consider the way they went public, and the fact that they invite everybody to join efforts...
how come you seem pretty sure it can't work?
marsp85 2 years ago
marsp85: I'm sure it can't work, because I've bet on the side of energy conservation my whole life and it's never let me down. Second, if they knew it was generating power, they would come right out and say say "it's generating 3 mW"; instead Sean makes cryptic statements like "the efficiency is probably in a 3:1 ratio". That says to me that their only evidence is that it keeps spinning for a long time.
spiel496 2 years ago 2
That's called "science by press conference" and is looked down upon very poorly by actual scientists. It's considered one of the major red flags of a quack or scam.
halleyscomet 2 years ago 3
and another thing: does the fact that nobody falls off the earths surface proof that the earth is flat? the paradigm, makes the believe- system which science only can or can't legitimise.
marsp85 2 years ago
Their own hand picked jury declared the "generator" to be hooey:
"Twenty-two independent scientists and engineers were selected by Steorn to form this jury. It has for the past two years examined evidence presented by the company. The unanimous verdict of the Jury is that Steorn's attempts to demonstrate the claim have not shown the production of energy. The jury is therefore ceasing work."
halleyscomet 2 years ago 2
That was with an older model of the device - I believe they used a regular magnet on that one - now they use an electromagnet? I know nothing about physics or anything though so i'm not really sure
badfishrhythm 2 years ago
The jury didn't just examine a specific device. They examined the entire theoretical model for the technology.
halleyscomet 2 years ago
oh okay i see. i'd like to believe that this thing is real but i guess not
badfishrhythm 2 years ago
It would be REALLY COOL if it were real, but the simple fact remains that building a free energy or perpetual motion device would require the violation of one of the few laws of physics that has NEVER been seen to be breakable. There isn't even a theoretical model for how to build such a thing.
halleyscomet 2 years ago
the term free energy is misleading, and furthermore the concept of a magnet is misunderstood. the first law of thermodynamics is not violated, as you do not operate a closed system when using magnets.
marsp85 2 years ago
A magnetic motor will not generate more energy than was needed to magnetize the magnets to begin with. Doing so WOULD voilate the laws of Thermodynamics. The magnetic filed is degraded during the operation of the motor. Without an electromagnet to regenerate the field the magnet will decay with use.
At best they have a battery with moving parts.
halleyscomet 2 years ago
of course it will create more energy than was put in building it. the magnets in the motor do not get weaker over time by operating the device. so if you have enough time...
imagine you produced a permanent magnet (like neodym or sth.) that of course has a magnetic field through which in conventionally said the magnetic energy is put out as some force. Without physically damaging the magnet, how long will it take the magnet to be "empty"?
marsp85 2 years ago
it will never be empty, because it "channels" a form of energy that is part of the 95% unkown "dark energy", "dark mass" or whatever ridicolous names one might give it. There isn't any energy created or destroyed. a magnet makes it manifest. that is the concept of all free energy
marsp85 2 years ago
doesn't pushing a child on a swing violate the first law of thermodynamics? i put much less energy in pushing, than the swing will "produce".
closed systems only exists when your perspective isn't broad enough yet
marsp85 2 years ago
Ok, now we're claiming that we can call on unknown dark energy or dark mass? That makes no sense.
What makes the energy "dark" is that it is unknown, can not (or rather has not) been understood. For to manifest would constitute the discovery of what this energy truly is. I need a little more documentation for that assumption :D
loyolaboy05 2 years ago
you're right "dark energy" and "dark mass" are the wrong terms, because they mystify sth very basic & observable which is nothing else than the "ether" that all of our predecessors knew of.
marsp85 2 years ago
I may be misunderstanding you, but accepting Ether is accepting that all matter is made of 5 basic elements (fire, water, wind and all that jazz). That's been disproven.
loyolaboy05 2 years ago 2
no. accepting ether means, everything you are able to observe is a product/manifestation of ether as and because you are yourself.
marsp85 2 years ago
PS: and if you don't know what it is, how can you say: that in particular surely isn't it
marsp85 2 years ago
@marsp85 When you said Dark Energy and Dark mass I knew you were bogus. We haven't been able to even locate dark energy or dark mass on earth, much less it powering our magnets? psfh
Silverjda 2 years ago 2
"of course it will create more energy than was put in building it."
That would constitute a violation of the laws of thermodynamics.
"the magnets in the motor do not get weaker over time by operating the device."
That's not true. "Permanent" magnets (As opposed to electromagnets) weaken over time. The act of attracting and repelling other magnets, as in a motor, weakens the magnetic field by pulling the magnetized material out of alignment.
halleyscomet 2 years ago 2
a permanet magnet does not become weaker unless it is physically damaged. heat, or heavy kinetik impulses (don't know how else to put it: hit it with a hammer) are the only ways to destroy the alignment of electrons in a permanent magnet. and of course time can do that. maybe your even right, in the aspect that it would take about the same amount of energy to align the electrons as it would to disalign them again. but that has nothing to do with the magnetic force itsself
marsp85 2 years ago
and this no violation of the first law as the only closed system is all there is. due to your nick i assume you' re into astrophysics a little, and so you surely know that the largest part of "All there is" is not known, cannot be measured or seen in any way. when you put that in your equasion you don't have to with the first law. very simple, thats where it comes from and goes to.
marsp85 2 years ago
"a permanet magnet does not become weaker unless it is physically damaged"
I hate to break it to you, but that's not true. "Permanent" only means the magnet doens't need an electric current to stay magnetized.
Please read up on "coercivity" to learn how much energy is needed to demagnetize a given magnet and "magnetostriction" to learn the mechanics of HOW magnets lose their charge over time. Use in a motor will cause the kind of flux that degrades a magnet.
halleyscomet 2 years ago
i'll do that. and maybe i got over one or the other possibility to demagnetize permanent magnets, but nonetheless i'm sure, that what you describe is related to the alignment and disaligment of electrons (is that understandable in english?) which is needed to access magnetic force.
the guy in the video says that heat is produced,so of course this is gonna disturb the alignment over time. but as i said before: the alignment is not the force itsself. a magnet channels energy from elsewhere to here
marsp85 2 years ago
"the alignment is not the force itsself."
The force is derived from the alignment of the atoms in the material. This is why physical damage can remove magnetic properties. The strength of the magnetic field is related to the alignment of the atoms in the magnetized material. The heat will only accelerate the degradation of the magnetic field.
halleyscomet 2 years ago
yeah right. we agree on that. and you need as much energy to create an alignment, as you need to destroy the same one.
(i just introduced the term "alignment", without knowing if its a proper one, hope it works)
but "pulling out" magnetic force or "accessing it" does not neccesarily degrade the alignment to the same amount of energy you just took out, because the alignment is not the force.
marsp85 2 years ago
"Without physically damaging the magnet, how long will it take the magnet to be "empty"? "
All you have to do is expose the magnet to a quantity of energy that exceeds the coercivity of the magnet. This does not need to be done all at once as in a magnetic tape bulk eraser. It can happen over time. Each rotation of the motor will reduce the coercivity of the component magnets until they reach zero or at they very least are unable to sustain rotation.
halleyscomet 2 years ago
ok in other words: without destroying the alignment, how long will it take the energy you put in to come out?
marsp85 2 years ago
It depends on what the magnets were made from, how much work the motor is doing, how much the magnets vary in their total field strength and how close to saturation the magnets were at the beginning.
Due to the losses inerrant in any transfer of energy from one form to another you'll never get back all the energy you put into the system. In an ideal world with perfect mechanics and no heat or friction you might get back 80 out of every 100 Newtons used to create the magnets.
halleyscomet 2 years ago
Well, unless everything you`ve learned in your text books is outdated knowledge.
You don`t take that into account, you act as if we. the human race have achieved some ultimate understanding of the universe and that from here on in, no new forms of science physics will ever be discovered.
Take a deep breath, and realize our scientific understand is constantly changing as we learn more, don`t put yourself in this 'all knowing knowledge box' , it`s childish, egocentrical and frankly unscientific.
gavinmacmounsey 2 years ago
I never claimed that we knew everything and your insinuation that I did borders on libel.
The bottom line is no reputable physicist today claims that a "Free energy" device is possible. There are NO published theories out there that claim it's possible. Your defense of such devices boils down to "Well we don't know everything."
Guess what? You can't build technology based on science that no one knows.
halleyscomet 2 years ago 2
This is complete bollocks. What possible use could this serve? Even it it can sustain its motion for eternity (which it can't) what good is a spinning plastic thing. As soon as you attach it to something it will discharge the battery.
tommyboomboom 2 years ago 5
so you think you can breech the second law of thermodynamics? hang on a sec, til I contradict gravity and time so I can figure this one out...
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