As you decrease D to smaller and smaller distances (the midpoints) Achilles stays at the same speed. This means the ratio of D/T must stay constant. So, successively smaller distances take successively smaller times to cover. The paradox would be correct if each new midpoint-segment took as much time to cross as the previous.
A simple example is the concept of a limit. Take 0.5^x. As X goes to infinity, the term approaches 0
Paradoxes come about because of how we frame the problem, or lack information; and they are real, non-trivial, because people really do practice them. Do you best.
Half way points or any percentage for that matter is not a form of measurement in and of itself. Meaning that the fact that there is an infinite amount of "half way points" is irrelevant to the equation that Time=speed/distance
The illusion of this paradox is created by a categorical error. That being treating percentages as fixed measurements. ^_^
Science is the pursuit of proving theories wrong and science is theory based, science can not claim something to be impossible, just a highly controlled guess. In a lot of cases guesses based upon empirical experience that we trust our lives with when scientific theories are engineered for critical use. Toss a coin an infinite amount of times and it is not guaranteed to land heads up , infinities are not BOUND to converge. Pursuance of proving scientific theories wrong is scientific method.
@chrisofnottingham Did you really try to divorce science from philosophy (eight months ago before a statute of limitations nazi (humour before a knee jerk reaction occurs) comes along. Try coming up with a hypothesis without thought and try to formulate an experiment without logic. Scientific method is a philosophy and it seems to work quite a lot from an empirical point of view (pun intended, empirical point of view). How many people does it take to think events have singular causes.
@MathDoobler Paradoxically, if you look up the definition and usage of 'paradox' it usually includes a bit that goes something like "a statement that is _or_appears_to_be_ self contradictory" ie 'paradox' includes things which only appear to be paradoxes but aren't ;-) Because in fact there can be no "true paradoxes" because they could never exist.
this parodox is not a paradox because just because he must pass the halfway point to get ahead of the tortise doesn't mean he has to get to that exact spot to move on, so even when he is 1/8 of ana tom away from beating the tortise he can easily pass the halfway point and pass the tortise,
@HEROofTIME1337 actually it can be proven wrong. You need to look into what calculus teaches us about infinity. If you take 1/2 and ad 1/4 then add 1/8 then 1/16 and you do this for infinity it will eventually equal 1 believe it or not and thus Achilles will overtake the tortoise.
@orbweaver82 Well, it converges [not the same as 'equal'] to 1, but it's still always a little bit bigger than one. Like 1.00000000000000000000000000000000001.
@HEROofTIME1337 It isn't a paradox, because the reasoning behind it is flawed.
If an object was moving towards a target with infinite halfway points between it, the time it takes to get to each point halves infinitesimally. The two cancel out. In equation form it is easier to understand:
1/2 + 1/4 +1/8... =1? is the problem
let's say 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8=A
2A=2*all those values to infinity=1 + 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8...
Although I am not adversed to science being held up to critique and scrutiny, I have to say you're missing the point on this idea...the striving toward at-one-ment - numerically interpreted, can never, in essence, be achieved. The symbolism of Achilles and the tortoise is a mythological interpretation of a mathemematical principle that mathematicians later coined "Cesaro Summability."
Accidental elements are illusory in comparison with a unique perpetual substance. The motion that Zeno is describing as an illusion is composed of accidental elements. Natural speed is per se not perfect and is accidental. He is pretending that the turtle is a higher being, a god. If the turtle is a god, immortal, Achilles, a mortal, cannot catch him. The turtle has a supernatural, immortal speed and can't be caught by a natural, accidental, mortal one. What is higher is ahead of what is lower.
the first point has already been discussed, but whatever:
1. 1/2^n converges as n tends to infinity
2. the electrostatic repulsion among your body's molecules and the wall's molecules prevents you from "reaching" the wall. depending on the tolerances of the measuring equipment you have, you may prove this "paradox" right for the wrong reasons
this is youtube, so i guess nobody gives a shit about science anyway
No one adheres to this paradox. Zeno didn't-he was trying to support Parmenides' claim that "all is one." Scientists disproved this paradox at conception-by experiment. Definitive mathematic proof didn't come along until calculus was invented.
It didn't take 6,000 years to disprove...it's a paradox, which means it can easily be shown to be incorrect by one means, but not by others (in this case, the math is difficult.) Even Zeno wouldn't have actually tried to "solve" it.
"The Paradox has no math solution as it's impossible to add infinite sums in finite time ... Sum of infinite series is not a sum but a limit of sums. Limit is NOT the same as sums. So no solution in math. Simple as that."
It is a sum that you don't grasp. A Limit "assumes" a value. A Limit is a quality and quantity. A Limit is a sum, as is any amount. What is finite does not prevent what is infinite and what is infinite can imbue what is finite. Infinite can fit in finite and not break "it".
you make no sense. dark and illumination arent opposites. light, as in photons, travels at about 300k meters per seconds. darkness isnt a term used in science since darkness has no true meaning other then without color. and color being photons, so i guess loosely you could say "darkness" travels at around 0 meters per second
until the one that cannot be divided is found, which is infinite, has aspects that cannot be measured and this is part of the flashing speed that cannot be reduced by Acilles' best efforts.
The mighty turtle wins and you need to look again at the photo finish!
Duns Scotus has some concepts that fill out Zeno's paradoxes well. Like virtual tension, univocal and equivocal ontology, and haecceitas just to name a few.
Everything contains a point, and every point is 3-D ad infinitum. If there is a point that remains indivisible ,it is infinite, being without measure, because if it had measure it could be halved or quartered, and this reduction could be obtained. The light on the turtle's back, being composed of inifnite points
A good part of logical thinking is intuitive implication. Something there that's just off the tongue and ineffable. Even when some one creates a neologism to express it, the neologism still does not quite catch up, like Achilles to the tortoise, the neolgism heads in the right direction but never quite closes in. This a part of real experience.
A paradox occurs when two concluding statements contradict.
When Zeno came to the conclusion that it is impossible to catch up to the tortuous, he noticed a contradiction from what we experience in the world. Thus he concluded that motion was some sort of illusion.
All that you've done in the video is demonstrate the paradox, and nothing more.
Zeno still had a very good point. He was contrasting how accidental props are confused with permanent substance. Ousia is a central element that transcends accidental elements. Zeno was talikng about a turtle faster than that one anyway.
By the way, when sunlight is shining on a turtle's back, what is the speed of light? Do you know the speed of dark?
Hey, I'm student of philosophy and the founder of the Center of philosophy studies of Puerto Rico. I like you video, I think you don't know much about philosophy, however I think that your interest about Proving Science Wrong is the actitud that every human need to have, but you need to study more if you want to have the truth, the knowledge. I just see you video and think that you have a question of truthness, a quest that you can develop, that is only my opinion...
The fact, that you dont understand the difference between modern science and ancient philosophy, just shows your ignorance! Who are you exactly, anyway? Like people are going to believe some kid on youtube hanging out in his sisters bedroom, over thousands of scientist world wide with IQs that triple yours. Unintelligent people need to stop pretending they are smart!
perhaps it is through role playing that they can grasp that which you raistlin072 still do not. You are naive and impatient! You still do not understand that facts are subjective to the ones who view them. It is not whether or not facts are facts, becaus facts are irrelevant. they may be true but they are not truth. You need to understand that we cannot judge what we do not know for certain. and since we know nothing for certain than we must not judge on assumptions
Perhaps it is you who need to learn what the differences are. you are naive, there is a lot more than you will ever know. there is a lot more than any of us know, let us wait to judge until we know the subject.
ok idk what was going through your mind... of course the Paradox is not correct... ITS A PARADOX. They are statements that make logical sense but in reality it does not work, the point of it is that you do have to cross half the distance and then half of that distance, logically it makes sense(400 or so BC), but it does not work that way. plus NO ONE actually believed this NOT EVEN ZENO. plus philosopher meant many things. ill post a video response at a later date.
No philosopher did not automatically = scientist, science is an epistemology, and Aristotle is one of the more famous philosophers that formulated and applied the epistemological method we now call science.
I do not think you fully appreciate Zeno's philosophical conjecture, what he demonstrates is that our understanding of motion, space, and time is lacking, even today the proper way to resolve the paradox's with physics is still being debated.
Achilles was a real historical figure, also you missed the point, zeno demostrated, in about 500bc no less, that if our universe were infinite in terms of space and time, therefore we can conclude from his argument that our universe is not infinite in terms of space and time. In order to truly "test" the zenos assumption you would first have to have a universe in which time and space are infinite. So this is a great example of an epic fail. If that was your point congrats on a job well done.
I missed the point? Epic fail? The only one missing the point is you, and quite a few other commentators, none of whom seem to get that this is a pretty transparent joke experiment. I appreciate the many explanations I've gotten of what Zeno was really all about though!
perhaps I failed to gather that because your vid title is somewhat missleading if that is indeed your point, I am sorry I thought you were attempting to demonstrate that zenos arguments were irrelavent simply because they defy common perception. I am sorry your attempt at humor was not that good either though, so you still failed in that sense as well.
Of course physically you can pass up the object in front of you, but that wasnt the point of his paradox. You get points for the chick being hot though.
What Zeno proved was there is a shortest distance that one could travel and a shortest division that can be made. Physicist Max Plank discovered that distance and it is now called Planc Length. That applies to spacetime meaning both time and space have a minimum distance. That distance is 1.6 × 10−35 metres. If you could see that length at work, you would notice anything moving can only exist on one distance and between that distance NOTHING can exist (an instant jump). explained in sub atomic P
And the appropriate way to explain the paradox is that both the turtle and achilles are in forward motion in the same direction, the turtle (having a head start and being in front) should always be ahead of achilles because the time achilles reaches a point the turtle has already been to, the turtle during the time it took him catch up, would have moved some distance forward.
The paradox was an intended explanation for limits. Limits being science or math (loosely). This illustration being philosophy or an analogy. This is like trying to prove something wrong by proving an example wrong alone. This does not refutre limits.
Well no, of course it wasn't really.. but you made the comment about what the meaning of the paradox was earlier. You brought up the idea about physics, math, and philosophy and I tried to show how they were distinguished with this paradox. Nay?
yes, you're right, they are completely different in the context of /this/ paradox, but what i meant was that most scientists/mathmeticians in zeno's time were motivated by phylosophical questions; of course there is a vast difference in the two subjects today, but both fields were not so much different in his day. then, math and science were divine institutes.
That's what I was saying; philosophy was mixed with many things. This example was an anlogy for limits - math. I think I was just diappointed that there was sincere effort in it and.. it wasn't really that funny..
Note that they must have known that the measurement of space and time are interconnected. The newest interesting science related to these paradoxes is Peter Lynds' mathematics with respect to a possible "Unified Theory" of general relativity and quantum mechanics.
It's my understanding that the Philosophy of Parmenides and his student Zeno is profound for completely different reasons than what you are suggesting. The reason that this paradox is profound is because it is perfectly logical, yet not consistent with experience.
You're wrong and you don't understand the paradox at all. The movie has maybe 24 frames per second. At frame N turtle is in front of "Akilles" and in next frame N+1 turtle is still at exactly same position but "Akilles" now is in front. That means "Akilles" moves while turtle stand still. This breaks the paradox as turtle always must move. So long for your "proof". Turtle won because "Akilles" was moved from one position to next without been between. Cheat!
You just prove that you never learned 11th class math unlike many others. Zeno's Paradox has an erroneous point of view. Zeno's Paradox does not exist within a neutral point of view and 11th class math. It also requires an absolute time. Too bad we "recently" noticed that time is relative. paradoxon BUSTED!
"Zeno's Paradox does not exist within a neutral point of view and 11th class math"
This is a myth. The Paradox has no math solution as it's impossible to add infinite sums in finite time. Math does not do that. You don't understand math much do you? Sum of infinite series is not a sum but a limit of sums. limit is NOT the same as sums. So no solution in math. Simple as that.
The paradox you are refering to is a thought experiment and it didn't really work. It's not in and of itself "science", therefore proving the paradox wrong does not prove science wrong.
I read that same copy of Frankenstein for a class! It wasn't the copy the bookstore sold, but I found it at the library. It was incredibly helpful when it came time for the literary analysis. ;) By the way, do either of you two post any non-LG15 related videos anywhere on the net? Because that would be awesome!
Seems like the movement didn't even get started in this video which was the whole point Zeno of Elea was trying to make. Anyways, Aristotle pretty much made the distinction between potential and actual infinity which explains the problem. This video should be subtitled: Actual Infinites Suck!?!
It is always good to see mythology in action, and to see science proved wrong. It is also good to see Paul and Andrea in action. Now there are two Paul Ankas of whom I am a fan.
Andrea was wearing sunglasses. Are you SURE she checks out. Cause ya know, Lucy wore them all the time. Oh, and where was the tortoise's name in the tags. I wanna know how to spell it.
And I thought people from the present time were dumb...
OMGitsaTR0LL 6 months ago
heres a paradox for you, the second L in lol standing for lol
GamerInari 7 months ago
science was BORNE out of philosophy.
ajwf95 9 months ago
Let's assume Achilles' speed is constant.
S=D/T
As you decrease D to smaller and smaller distances (the midpoints) Achilles stays at the same speed. This means the ratio of D/T must stay constant. So, successively smaller distances take successively smaller times to cover. The paradox would be correct if each new midpoint-segment took as much time to cross as the previous.
A simple example is the concept of a limit. Take 0.5^x. As X goes to infinity, the term approaches 0
MagnaCarta0 11 months ago
Paradoxes come about because of how we frame the problem, or lack information; and they are real, non-trivial, because people really do practice them. Do you best.
WOWJBEOWULF 1 year ago
2:02 I disapprove of your hydrogen atom example. Helium has a smaller atomic radius than Hydrogen, despite having more electrons and protons. :)
Alexiaden93 1 year ago
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The answer to this problem is simple.
Half way points or any percentage for that matter is not a form of measurement in and of itself. Meaning that the fact that there is an infinite amount of "half way points" is irrelevant to the equation that Time=speed/distance
The illusion of this paradox is created by a categorical error. That being treating percentages as fixed measurements. ^_^
MentalAtheist 1 year ago
0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
Nuff said....
LelouchXLamperouge 1 year ago
Zeno just didn't realize there are ways to add an infinite number of numbers. they are called limits and series. take calc it aint that hard.
portoqwerty 1 year ago
Some people just dont get a joke, lighten up a bit you douche bags
kause531 1 year ago 7
@kause531 Thank you, I've been waiting four years for someone to finally say this
Paulmark18 1 year ago 2
Science is the pursuit of proving theories wrong and science is theory based, science can not claim something to be impossible, just a highly controlled guess. In a lot of cases guesses based upon empirical experience that we trust our lives with when scientific theories are engineered for critical use. Toss a coin an infinite amount of times and it is not guaranteed to land heads up , infinities are not BOUND to converge. Pursuance of proving scientific theories wrong is scientific method.
B7ACKNEONder 1 year ago
Midway point does not exist till the you have crossed till the full point. If you have crossed till the full point, you have travelled already.
gunchibaiyya 1 year ago
Its proving philosophy wrong
000570 1 year ago
where can i get a p-monkey myself to test this myth?
5te4lthX 1 year ago
your video came up exaggerating abilities. there is a condition involve in zeno's paradox, do you know? you might be caught the idea wrong.
sakin09 1 year ago
Uhm... wow... Lonelygirl15, much?
quitejaded 1 year ago
what are you doing in a pink room?
slimdeala4life 1 year ago
@slimdeala4life it's not mine it's hers
Paulmark18 1 year ago
Well, according to Zeno what we see is illusory so you can't prove him wrong. :3
But yeah, I know you're joking. :P
badboyfrvr 1 year ago
Cute video, guys!
IzzyIsou 1 year ago
Zeno's paradox is Philosophy not Science.
chrisofnottingham 2 years ago 17
@chrisofnottingham Did you really try to divorce science from philosophy (eight months ago before a statute of limitations nazi (humour before a knee jerk reaction occurs) comes along. Try coming up with a hypothesis without thought and try to formulate an experiment without logic. Scientific method is a philosophy and it seems to work quite a lot from an empirical point of view (pun intended, empirical point of view). How many people does it take to think events have singular causes.
B7ACKNEONder 1 year ago
@chrisofnottingham
No it's neither, it's just a logically flawed argument that SEEMS outwardly reasonable and hence lots of people think it's a "paradox," but it's not.
MathDoobler 1 year ago
@MathDoobler Paradoxically, if you look up the definition and usage of 'paradox' it usually includes a bit that goes something like "a statement that is _or_appears_to_be_ self contradictory" ie 'paradox' includes things which only appear to be paradoxes but aren't ;-) Because in fact there can be no "true paradoxes" because they could never exist.
chrisofnottingham 1 year ago
this parodox is not a paradox because just because he must pass the halfway point to get ahead of the tortise doesn't mean he has to get to that exact spot to move on, so even when he is 1/8 of ana tom away from beating the tortise he can easily pass the halfway point and pass the tortise,
powerbuttin888 2 years ago
lol Your a fucking idiot. A paradox cannot be proven right nor wrong.
HEROofTIME1337 2 years ago 6
You do realize it's a joke, right?
Paulmark18 2 years ago
@HEROofTIME1337 actually it can be proven wrong. You need to look into what calculus teaches us about infinity. If you take 1/2 and ad 1/4 then add 1/8 then 1/16 and you do this for infinity it will eventually equal 1 believe it or not and thus Achilles will overtake the tortoise.
orbweaver82 1 year ago
@orbweaver82 Well, it converges [not the same as 'equal'] to 1, but it's still always a little bit bigger than one. Like 1.00000000000000000000000000000000001.
badboyfrvr 1 year ago
@HEROofTIME1337
Yeah but Zeno's paradox isn't a paradox, because it was proven false using real analysis about 300 years ago.
MathDoobler 1 year ago
@HEROofTIME1337 yes it can. A paradox is a term. Applying that term to any idea does not make it an absolute.
doomsdaymonster7 1 year ago
@HEROofTIME1337 It isn't a paradox therefor it is wrong without being a paradox to be proven wrong. It's only a theoretical paradox. HUGE difference.
TheBulletOfIce 7 months ago
@HEROofTIME1337 It isn't a paradox, because the reasoning behind it is flawed.
If an object was moving towards a target with infinite halfway points between it, the time it takes to get to each point halves infinitesimally. The two cancel out. In equation form it is easier to understand:
1/2 + 1/4 +1/8... =1? is the problem
let's say 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8=A
2A=2*all those values to infinity=1 + 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8...
2A-A=1
A=1
imranhamid99 4 months ago
Although I am not adversed to science being held up to critique and scrutiny, I have to say you're missing the point on this idea...the striving toward at-one-ment - numerically interpreted, can never, in essence, be achieved. The symbolism of Achilles and the tortoise is a mythological interpretation of a mathemematical principle that mathematicians later coined "Cesaro Summability."
sphericalpyramid 2 years ago 3
Accidental elements are illusory in comparison with a unique perpetual substance. The motion that Zeno is describing as an illusion is composed of accidental elements. Natural speed is per se not perfect and is accidental. He is pretending that the turtle is a higher being, a god. If the turtle is a god, immortal, Achilles, a mortal, cannot catch him. The turtle has a supernatural, immortal speed and can't be caught by a natural, accidental, mortal one. What is higher is ahead of what is lower.
ClovisVouille 2 years ago 2
the first point has already been discussed, but whatever:
1. 1/2^n converges as n tends to infinity
2. the electrostatic repulsion among your body's molecules and the wall's molecules prevents you from "reaching" the wall. depending on the tolerances of the measuring equipment you have, you may prove this "paradox" right for the wrong reasons
this is youtube, so i guess nobody gives a shit about science anyway
hoto0301 2 years ago 2
No one adheres to this paradox. Zeno didn't-he was trying to support Parmenides' claim that "all is one." Scientists disproved this paradox at conception-by experiment. Definitive mathematic proof didn't come along until calculus was invented.
It didn't take 6,000 years to disprove...it's a paradox, which means it can easily be shown to be incorrect by one means, but not by others (in this case, the math is difficult.) Even Zeno wouldn't have actually tried to "solve" it.
ecj314 2 years ago 3
Hey, I have the exact same kind of tortoise that's in this video, but I can't remember what kind it is. Could you please help me out?
thx --Sam
Samppf 2 years ago
Ever since Andrea randomly found him under her bed, I've been trying to figure out what kind he is but can't get any certain based.
Based on pictures on-line Paul Anka looks just like some African Spurred Tortoises so I'm going to go with that. Thanks for watching!
Paulmark18 2 years ago
Yay, not being serious is fun! 'Cause you're not being serious. Right? RIGHT?!
stonefreeJMH 2 years ago
Based on the comments here, you might be the first one to realize that.
-P&A
Paulmark18 2 years ago
Chyeah, seriously.
stonefreeJMH 2 years ago
The turtle cannot be beaten. Long live the turtle!
ClovisVouille 2 years ago
"The Paradox has no math solution as it's impossible to add infinite sums in finite time ... Sum of infinite series is not a sum but a limit of sums. Limit is NOT the same as sums. So no solution in math. Simple as that."
It is a sum that you don't grasp. A Limit "assumes" a value. A Limit is a quality and quantity. A Limit is a sum, as is any amount. What is finite does not prevent what is infinite and what is infinite can imbue what is finite. Infinite can fit in finite and not break "it".
ClovisVouille 2 years ago
Zeno said motion was an illusion. You'll have to prove rationally that what you just saw wasn't an illusion in order to refute Zeno.
Tyrhonius 2 years ago
Who here knows the speed of dark?
And the speed of illumination?
FanofFanny 2 years ago
Infinity
robweese 2 years ago
you make no sense. dark and illumination arent opposites. light, as in photons, travels at about 300k meters per seconds. darkness isnt a term used in science since darkness has no true meaning other then without color. and color being photons, so i guess loosely you could say "darkness" travels at around 0 meters per second
REFstudios 2 years ago
until the one that cannot be divided is found, which is infinite, has aspects that cannot be measured and this is part of the flashing speed that cannot be reduced by Acilles' best efforts.
The mighty turtle wins and you need to look again at the photo finish!
FanofFanny 2 years ago
Duns Scotus has some concepts that fill out Zeno's paradoxes well. Like virtual tension, univocal and equivocal ontology, and haecceitas just to name a few.
Everything contains a point, and every point is 3-D ad infinitum. If there is a point that remains indivisible ,it is infinite, being without measure, because if it had measure it could be halved or quartered, and this reduction could be obtained. The light on the turtle's back, being composed of inifnite points
FanofFanny 2 years ago
"Univocal and equivocal ontology"? Cute. Just redefine it out of existence and the paradox goes away. The tactic of a charlatan I say.
garyshermer 2 years ago
A good part of logical thinking is intuitive implication. Something there that's just off the tongue and ineffable. Even when some one creates a neologism to express it, the neologism still does not quite catch up, like Achilles to the tortoise, the neolgism heads in the right direction but never quite closes in. This a part of real experience.
FanofFanny 2 years ago
bunnies
kyleain 2 years ago
A paradox occurs when two concluding statements contradict.
When Zeno came to the conclusion that it is impossible to catch up to the tortuous, he noticed a contradiction from what we experience in the world. Thus he concluded that motion was some sort of illusion.
All that you've done in the video is demonstrate the paradox, and nothing more.
stanthefisher 2 years ago
Zeno still had a very good point. He was contrasting how accidental props are confused with permanent substance. Ousia is a central element that transcends accidental elements. Zeno was talikng about a turtle faster than that one anyway.
By the way, when sunlight is shining on a turtle's back, what is the speed of light? Do you know the speed of dark?
ousia
FanofFanny 3 years ago
pretty sure i am in love with the girl on here!!!
hosk14 3 years ago
Hey, I'm student of philosophy and the founder of the Center of philosophy studies of Puerto Rico. I like you video, I think you don't know much about philosophy, however I think that your interest about Proving Science Wrong is the actitud that every human need to have, but you need to study more if you want to have the truth, the knowledge. I just see you video and think that you have a question of truthness, a quest that you can develop, that is only my opinion...
ZETAFILO 3 years ago
The fact, that you dont understand the difference between modern science and ancient philosophy, just shows your ignorance! Who are you exactly, anyway? Like people are going to believe some kid on youtube hanging out in his sisters bedroom, over thousands of scientist world wide with IQs that triple yours. Unintelligent people need to stop pretending they are smart!
raistlin072 3 years ago
heh heh... I agree
sonicdude153 3 years ago
perhaps it is through role playing that they can grasp that which you raistlin072 still do not. You are naive and impatient! You still do not understand that facts are subjective to the ones who view them. It is not whether or not facts are facts, becaus facts are irrelevant. they may be true but they are not truth. You need to understand that we cannot judge what we do not know for certain. and since we know nothing for certain than we must not judge on assumptions
jamiedds 2 years ago
Perhaps it is you who need to learn what the differences are. you are naive, there is a lot more than you will ever know. there is a lot more than any of us know, let us wait to judge until we know the subject.
jamiedds 2 years ago
the following was a responce to raistlin072
jamiedds 2 years ago
Including that statement.
garyshermer 2 years ago
ok idk what was going through your mind... of course the Paradox is not correct... ITS A PARADOX. They are statements that make logical sense but in reality it does not work, the point of it is that you do have to cross half the distance and then half of that distance, logically it makes sense(400 or so BC), but it does not work that way. plus NO ONE actually believed this NOT EVEN ZENO. plus philosopher meant many things. ill post a video response at a later date.
tonyrueb 3 years ago
thats not the point of the paradox lol not that the race between achiles and the turtle is impossible (cuz it is)
the things about math @_@
becoolorgetlost 3 years ago
Zeno is a philosopher, not a scientist.
What you did there is an experiment to prove that Zeno's paradox doesn't work (in real life).
But my point is the girl is hot.
MrZhuKeeper 3 years ago 4
Or maybe they just don't make turtles like they used to.
SiliconBong 3 years ago 4
"..in ancient Greece, philosopher = scientist"
No philosopher did not automatically = scientist, science is an epistemology, and Aristotle is one of the more famous philosophers that formulated and applied the epistemological method we now call science.
I do not think you fully appreciate Zeno's philosophical conjecture, what he demonstrates is that our understanding of motion, space, and time is lacking, even today the proper way to resolve the paradox's with physics is still being debated.
mtheoryrules 3 years ago
Cool video but You've not proved science wrong, Zeno was well aware that they didn't work hence Zeno's 'paradox' =D
matthewanisfeld 3 years ago
Well the girl's hot.
jonachin504 3 years ago 2
Achilles was a real historical figure, also you missed the point, zeno demostrated, in about 500bc no less, that if our universe were infinite in terms of space and time, therefore we can conclude from his argument that our universe is not infinite in terms of space and time. In order to truly "test" the zenos assumption you would first have to have a universe in which time and space are infinite. So this is a great example of an epic fail. If that was your point congrats on a job well done.
mtheoryrules 3 years ago
I missed the point? Epic fail? The only one missing the point is you, and quite a few other commentators, none of whom seem to get that this is a pretty transparent joke experiment. I appreciate the many explanations I've gotten of what Zeno was really all about though!
-Paul
Paulmark18 3 years ago
perhaps I failed to gather that because your vid title is somewhat missleading if that is indeed your point, I am sorry I thought you were attempting to demonstrate that zenos arguments were irrelavent simply because they defy common perception. I am sorry your attempt at humor was not that good either though, so you still failed in that sense as well.
mtheoryrules 3 years ago
Except back in ancient greece, philosopher = scientist. Ever read Aristotle?
Paulmark18 3 years ago
hey I'm starting his first book of metaphysics
jamiedds 2 years ago
Of course physically you can pass up the object in front of you, but that wasnt the point of his paradox. You get points for the chick being hot though.
adonainissi 3 years ago
I love that song! What is it?
Xandreta 4 years ago
CUTE Tortise!
Hey Paul, it's Cassie.
Nice videos
freek32 4 years ago
What Zeno proved was there is a shortest distance that one could travel and a shortest division that can be made. Physicist Max Plank discovered that distance and it is now called Planc Length. That applies to spacetime meaning both time and space have a minimum distance. That distance is 1.6 × 10−35 metres. If you could see that length at work, you would notice anything moving can only exist on one distance and between that distance NOTHING can exist (an instant jump). explained in sub atomic P
dwilkes7 4 years ago
I love how everyone's attacking this video with their own shitty math, as if these people ACTUALLY think they've just made a breakthrough haha.
BillyHackle 4 years ago
Nice vid but you explained it wrong + you didnt disprove science, nor the paradox lol
DraqonXXX 4 years ago
Then I think we did our job.
Paulmark18 4 years ago
You have so nice video!
Krasadiva 4 years ago
And the appropriate way to explain the paradox is that both the turtle and achilles are in forward motion in the same direction, the turtle (having a head start and being in front) should always be ahead of achilles because the time achilles reaches a point the turtle has already been to, the turtle during the time it took him catch up, would have moved some distance forward.
BronzeEleven 4 years ago
Excactly!
DraqonXXX 4 years ago
Identity Paradox:
watch?v=pGTleaTCXq8
vdizhoor 4 years ago
Are you calling philosophy science...?
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mttellek 4 years ago
He was a mathmetician as well as a philosopher, and I do believe physics and mathematics kind of depend on each other :)
BillyHackle 4 years ago
The paradox was an intended explanation for limits. Limits being science or math (loosely). This illustration being philosophy or an analogy. This is like trying to prove something wrong by proving an example wrong alone. This does not refutre limits.
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mttellek 4 years ago
indeed, but this paradox has already been sucessfully refuted.
i think people took this a bit too serious. i don't think these two were actually conducting an experiment...
BillyHackle 4 years ago
Well no, of course it wasn't really.. but you made the comment about what the meaning of the paradox was earlier. You brought up the idea about physics, math, and philosophy and I tried to show how they were distinguished with this paradox. Nay?
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mttellek 4 years ago
yes, you're right, they are completely different in the context of /this/ paradox, but what i meant was that most scientists/mathmeticians in zeno's time were motivated by phylosophical questions; of course there is a vast difference in the two subjects today, but both fields were not so much different in his day. then, math and science were divine institutes.
BillyHackle 4 years ago
That's what I was saying; philosophy was mixed with many things. This example was an anlogy for limits - math. I think I was just diappointed that there was sincere effort in it and.. it wasn't really that funny..
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mttellek 4 years ago
Lmao, indeed; I didn't even chuckle at it.
BillyHackle 4 years ago
ahaha great.
Emsmu 4 years ago
this isnt the paradox nerds.
eljono1 4 years ago
hi...I gave you a high rating. interesting explanation.
markkaminsky 4 years ago
Note that they must have known that the measurement of space and time are interconnected. The newest interesting science related to these paradoxes is Peter Lynds' mathematics with respect to a possible "Unified Theory" of general relativity and quantum mechanics.
Barklord 4 years ago
Exactly!
DraqonXXX 4 years ago
It's my understanding that the Philosophy of Parmenides and his student Zeno is profound for completely different reasons than what you are suggesting. The reason that this paradox is profound is because it is perfectly logical, yet not consistent with experience.
Barklord 4 years ago 2
umm sure ya totally i understand...
searon22 4 years ago
his name was ACHILLES
XAcidRainX 4 years ago
Btw. Cute turtle. Bet it's smarter than the sum of all people here giving comments. Except myself of course.
kapitalisten 4 years ago
You're wrong and you don't understand the paradox at all. The movie has maybe 24 frames per second. At frame N turtle is in front of "Akilles" and in next frame N+1 turtle is still at exactly same position but "Akilles" now is in front. That means "Akilles" moves while turtle stand still. This breaks the paradox as turtle always must move. So long for your "proof". Turtle won because "Akilles" was moved from one position to next without been between. Cheat!
kapitalisten 4 years ago
You just prove that you never learned 11th class math unlike many others. Zeno's Paradox has an erroneous point of view. Zeno's Paradox does not exist within a neutral point of view and 11th class math. It also requires an absolute time. Too bad we "recently" noticed that time is relative. paradoxon BUSTED!
olllj 4 years ago
"Zeno's Paradox does not exist within a neutral point of view and 11th class math"
This is a myth. The Paradox has no math solution as it's impossible to add infinite sums in finite time. Math does not do that. You don't understand math much do you? Sum of infinite series is not a sum but a limit of sums. limit is NOT the same as sums. So no solution in math. Simple as that.
kapitalisten 4 years ago
Good vid guys.
aaronbeast1 4 years ago
The paradox you are refering to is a thought experiment and it didn't really work. It's not in and of itself "science", therefore proving the paradox wrong does not prove science wrong.
sonofawindowdresser 4 years ago
this video is meant to be a joke...
yellowbrickroad92 4 years ago
Heh, y'all are awesome. The world really does need more PSWs.
babymonkeypirate 4 years ago
I read that same copy of Frankenstein for a class! It wasn't the copy the bookstore sold, but I found it at the library. It was incredibly helpful when it came time for the literary analysis. ;) By the way, do either of you two post any non-LG15 related videos anywhere on the net? Because that would be awesome!
zenokarasu 4 years ago
U R NOT CIW!
cassieiswatching222 4 years ago
Well duh!
Coffeeaddict101 4 years ago
Wow, where did Andrea find that turtle??
JayHenry 4 years ago
Haha. Paul Anka. Gilmore Girls reference, perhaps?
FlipceeStar 4 years ago
awesome video!!!
bubbleteamaylee 4 years ago
Seems like the movement didn't even get started in this video which was the whole point Zeno of Elea was trying to make. Anyways, Aristotle pretty much made the distinction between potential and actual infinity which explains the problem. This video should be subtitled: Actual Infinites Suck!?!
ThGreatSilence 4 years ago
You have officially become better than the original...
Keep em coming guys!
LG15curiousGeorge 4 years ago
kicking PSW old skool!
milowent 4 years ago
Yeah Owen would have been cool, but still entertaining...
orbthesela 4 years ago
Yay for P&A! Although I can't help but think Owen would have made an obvious choice in this video! You know, as Achilles obviously! ;)
thebrokenkid 4 years ago
haha that was your best one!
MynameisStynna 4 years ago
what was the music?
sarahsbooks 4 years ago
It is always good to see mythology in action, and to see science proved wrong. It is also good to see Paul and Andrea in action. Now there are two Paul Ankas of whom I am a fan.
mskelly333 4 years ago
Andrea was wearing sunglasses. Are you SURE she checks out. Cause ya know, Lucy wore them all the time. Oh, and where was the tortoise's name in the tags. I wanna know how to spell it.
Brooklynxman 4 years ago
Haha you guys are so funny!
LibV03 4 years ago
Yay! A new video! Thank you :-)
Cutekatelyn 4 years ago
Yay! I love proving ancient Myths... I mean "Science" wrong!
LaylaPathos 4 years ago