There is a New Message from God in the world. It honors all messengers Mohammed, Jesus, Buddha, Moses and other prophets. All messages are later changed, abused etc. by humans This always happens when something pure is given to a world that is impure. '' There is nothing holy about war.''Jesus will not come back.'
google: THE BURDEN OF THE MESSENGER
NEWMESSAGE(.org). It contains a warning a preparation and a blessing . The warning is about the extraterrestrial presence in our world today.
judaism, islam, christianity... all 'concocted words'. the question is, 'who do you act like?' my personal opinion is that good christians act like jesus, and good muslims seem to resemble mohammed quite well. jesus forgives and loves his enemies, mohammed condemns and kills them. this seems to me to be a decent basic contrast of the two religions, once you take away the followers who don't follow very good. true followers claim a person, not a label. that's silly. dumb question.
My friend if you are able to find a single proof that Muhammad (SAW) slayed an innocent human being to spread the word of Islam. I'll leave religion. Until then do not make false statements...
I love Jesus (pbuh) after all he is one of the 25 great prophets in Islam.
@KinMobby3tic i know this is probably useless to say, but if you love jesus then why don't you believe what he said? there's a bunch he said that disagrees with you saying he's 1/25. and the killing done by early islam is extensively documented isn't it? that's how it spread real quick. again, we probably don't believe what each other's books say, so this is probably a waste of time.
I do believe in what he preaches. "Worship the One True God" that is what all the 25 prophets have been preaching. From the 1st prophet Adam (pbuh) right down to the last prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
I have the right to love Jesus, Moses, Abraham (pbut). Killing done by early Islam? I am not going to go further because you accuse without proof. What is wasting time is your continuous attack on our prophet without any evidence.
@01923053891 what kind of son would spirit have? does god have a body that he could ever be nude? the lengths to which folks go at times to hallow god's name make me think they're doing it to feel good about themselves, not to really honor god. the apostle paul calls timothy his son, did paul have sex with someone? don't be silly. god says after jesus' baptism, this is my son...well pleased. as far as real nude thinking (fleshly lust), i'm trying bro. thanks for the encouragement.
Who ever said that Humans are perfect?? Humans make mistakes all the time. U say that Muslims kill Christians everywhere? And i agree they do. But Christians kill Muslims daily. Jews kill, Hindus, Sikhs. Everyone kills. Whites enslaved colored people so are all white people slave masters and the world needs to get rid of them?
The reality is Humans are imperfect. In Syria, the Muslims protect the Arameans (Jesus's people) against Israel. Read up on it. Stop passing judgements.
@KinMobby3tic It is estimate that Islam killed more than 270 million persons in his history of jihads and religious wars.Acts like bombs a mosque or a church are ordinary stuffs for you "religion" not mentionig stuffs like north cyprus ,assyrian,armenians ... but your people insist to act like a drama queen for it is own victims,A question: why should i care. You don t give a fuck about the victims of your "religion" are you sad for the victims of Qurayza , no, so at least be a man
That estimate is wrong.. I'm not stating that the Ottoman Empire were righteous and pure... I'm saying Islam is the perfect religion. Difference between religion and people. If you see a Muslim drinking alcohol is stupid to say "Islam is wrong" because of ones actions.
Victims of Qurayza? A lot of non-believers take things out of context of what happened to the people of Banu Qurayza and claim such and such.
@KinMobby3tic yelwa seems to be the only legitimate example of real christian vs muslim violence, and that particular massacre was one of many back and forth land disputes between those two groups. those others, if you believe them to be examples of christian violence, mostly just make me not want to keep talking to you. this is my fourth attempt at replying to you without using hatefull language. good luck on your journey, friend.
@KinMobby3tic jesus is one of 25 prophets is a false statement. saying he was only sent to the jews is a false statement. 'in christ there is neither jew nor gentile...' saying that islam is as peacefull as the next religion is false. but, i'm thinking that this discussion is something better left to the spirit. i think we've reached the end of our productive dialogue. peace be upon you.
You insult my Prophet (pbuh) and you say "peace be upon you" - this is why we can't have a good discussion... You continuously attack other peoples faith without knowledge of even your own faith. Jesus also preached to love your neighbor didn't he? Are you actually behaving like a good Christian? understand your own faith before attacking others. May Allah open your eyes and find the straight path.
@KinMobby3tic sorry for any insults, but i would not have said any of it unless i thought i could be a good christian while doing so. i find that muslims' sense of fairplay is based on false scales. non-christian people in america have burnt the bible many times, but when one person burned the koran it was an international incident. i find muslims to be quick to anger, and slow to forgive. i find this explains most middle eastern issues. are you american? your attitude kills dialogue.
"I find muslims to be quick to anger, and slow to forgive" - again generalizing the 1.5-1.7bill muslim population.
Do you understand the relationship between the Qur'an and a Muslim. Can you blame a Muslim for loving his religion, for loving his Lord?
If a muslim feels someone is disrespecting Islam. He/She has the right to defend their belief. That is natural among all people. I don't know how important the bible is to you. But the Qur'an is very dear to me and I love it.
Firstly, things that are happening in the middle east are purely political. People want freedom. They are fighting cruel dictators once that happens things will be good. This has nothing to do with religion.
Secondly, this conversation is about religion not politics. If you want a politics debate go find an Obama video and start something otherwise stick to religion. All you need to know is that i'm a Muslim. Just stop generalizing people and we'll be *thumbs up*
everyones leaving christianity , they are seeing there bullshit so they are desperate to keep people and their MONEY . see now they change bible tyo allow alcohol, pig, gays ect they go to the poor countrys give them food and also give them bible if they say no , then they dont get food. they are lying against islam most cos most xtians are joininbg islam.all they accuse others they have done themselves. so wen ppl saw church lies dats why they leave , dirty tricks lies only fake faith does
@SupremeARA915 You have clearly not watched this video or if you did havnt undertood it. Nowhere in the Torah does it even mention the word judaism. Moses and Jesus came to preach only one thing and that is 'submission to the will of God'. Thats the meaning of the word Islam in Arabic language. So basicly Moses and Jesus came to preach Islam. But obviously with what i said in mind you will continue to ignore me and with a biased heart, reject all truth.
@windowsblind Why in the name of normality would jesus teach Islam, Did Jesus have 25 surf wives, did Jesus murder, did jesus keep slaves or even take slaves, did Jesus marry a young child, did Jesus except rape the answer is NO, only Islam could practice these teachings.
@evilofisalm Islam means submitting your will to God. Jesus taught that you should submit your will to God therefore he preached Islam. Islam does not practice these teachings gtfo dont tell me stuff you have no knowledge in.
@evilofisalm LMAO I know everything about my religion but do you? I guess you dont oh wait why dont you go ask John to give the unchanged bible. You think I will follow Islam if it was how you are describing it? or would anyone else follow it if it was evil, NO. Infact Islam is the opposite but whats the point in telling you. Infact it is you who is braindead who gets this stereotypical shit of other people about Islam.
@windowsblind didn't this guy in the video point out the silliness of judging godliness based on terminology and religious labels? islam does indeed mean submitting your will to god, but what is the nature of islams' god? being a disciple of jesus means the same thing (obedience to god) but jesus and mohammed did very different things. to understand what a religion is based on, a person must know it's leader, not it's terminology or even it's doctrine. faith/belief is action not words.
@MrSomethingscary I dont know about christianity but Islam wasnt spread thorugh violence. You may think it did because of the battles but they happened because the makkans wanted to kill the muslims in Medina so Jihad was permitted for self defence. The prophet (pbuh) was battered with stones and garbages were thrown at him but he never layed a finger on them. Even when he went back into makkah and took it back, there were no bloodshed and he let them all go.
@windowsblind not to be disrespectfull, but out of all the religions we covered in this 'world religions' class, islam and sihkism (the hindu's reaction to islam) were the two most violent. sihkism never attempted to evangelize tho so their violence didn't spread the way islam's did. as far as christianity, all but one of the apostles was crucified. and somehow it spread even tho you risked death for believing it. i was taught islam spread thru violence pretty much 100%.
@MrSomethingscary Leave to the humans to bring violence and they will. Its true that there is violence but that is caused by people not truely understanding Islam. Islam says let there be no compulsion in religion so we cant force anyone to convert to a muslim. Humans are capable of so much pain and suffering. Islam doesnt tell its followers to kill people, its some people that follow it that think they should because they are uneducated.
@windowsblind i haven't read the quran, yet, but i hope what you're saying is true. unfortunately, muslims are killing, or imprisoning and sentencing christians all the time today. i get 'voice of the martyrs' and 'gospel for asia' stuff daily and it's always: 'pray for this family cuz their dad just got killed by a gang of religious extremists' or 'send money for this family cuz people burnt down their house' etc. i love that muslims are so dedicated, but a lot of them are bad.
@windowsblind i think he was saying that, even if no muslim ever did these things, could islam say it was bad? since mohammed did do them? i don't think he's questioning mulsim practice today, just questioning some of it's founder's practices. i suppose he could question some of the stuff muslim's do today, after the issue of mohammed's practices is settled.
The crescent moon sign of Islam can be trace back B.C.the ancient Sumerian,
the crescent usually being associated with the moon god Sin & the star
(often identified as Venus) was also called BAAL-HADAD/SATAN himself.The
moon/sun god was also worshiped by ancient Egyptians so in other words, the Islam was already there before Christianity or any other religion existed. Read Isaiah:14:12-17 then explain,why is Islam carrying the symbol of SATAN... Sura 19:71 & 72. every Muslim will go to Hell.
@pnai24qc very interesting. It is also interesting to find out when that sign started to be known and used by some Islamic entities (I think the Turks started that). Similar interest goes for the start of David. There is no single trace to indicate that the start was ever used by the beloved prophet David. The star is an ancient shape used by some old relegions that indicated a god that has both male/female identity. David here is a 17th century Iraqi jew who simply used it for his sect
@pnai24qc actually the moon symbol was there as soon as there was a moon partly shadowed by the earth. so islam's been around since before there was even people...?
interesting facts bro, but i don't think the history of a symbol can be used to prove religious practice. b/c symbols get tossed around all the time don't they. the modern medical profession bears no relation to a greek messenger of the gods who probably doesn't even exist. (staff with the snake)
@SupremeARA915 Islam was created by God, and revealed to Muhammad by the angle Gabriel, then Muhammad revealed it to the world, and may peace be upon him, Allah Akbar
@hakimshakour17 no man comes to the father except through the son. if honesty is paramount, i believe we will be brothers one day. please follow the path to it's end. with love, and respect.
@SupremeARA915 and when a greek woman came to him asking for cure, he said to his disciples do not throw the bread of the children to the dogs, means the non jews. Jesus was not sent to anyone else but to the jews, and he was a jewish prophet who kept the law and warned from rejecting it. Now if you claim you follow Jesus, now why do you reject the law of Moses and follow Paul??you have to make up your mind, and choose between Jesus and the law in one hand, and Paul rejecting the law on another.
@emesol0 when did jesus tell a gentile to get circumcized? how many times did the jewish leaders question his actions? and how many times did he respond with authority to tell them about the deeper law? when the lawyers are silenced, it's b/c truth has come.
@SupremeARA915 yes...but Jesus came not to destroy the law of Moses, and he warned those who destroy the law of Moses that they will not enter the kingdom of heaven, but Paul abandoned the law and rejected it so that he can get more gentiles into the new christianity he made, jesus himself said I'm not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Isreal, he said go not to the way of the gentiles, but go rather into the lost sheep of the house of israel
@emesol0 the ten plagues of egypt, death of the firstborn...god tells moses that pharaoh's firstborn will die b/c pharaoh won't let god's firstborn (israel) go free. if the jews are the firstborn, who's the second? third? if god wanted israel to be a nation of preists, what two parties was israel supposed to mediate between? preists serve between the deity and the common people right? doesn't it seem as tho god has been attempting to take back 'all' the works of the devil? not just some.
@SupremeARA915 If you are a christian....if Jesus followed judaism and followed the law of Moses..why do u reject the law of Moses and follow Paul who destroyed the law of Moses??!!
@emesol0 names? jesus was greater, have christians not said this? moses and paul and mohammed, if he was following jesus, all were doing what god said. you can tell if you read them. some follow a god, some (one) claims to be god's perfect image, from the before the beginning. we don't have to be enemies. can you say that jesus' life was good? then we're in agreement. if you want to toy with names and labels, then you just want to argue. do you love those who disagree with you?
@SupremeARA915 It's obvious to me that, you copypaste statement this "Islam was created by muhammed" and I'm sure you haven't read The Qur'an or Sunnah and you haven't studied your Bible carefull.
@secallen true, but you have to admire the disciplined plowing of some fields. sure maybe the wrong seed was planted, but that's kind of the salt/light's fault ain't it. and, although i'd never argue the idea, i believe that god looks kindly on a virtuous life even when it's pointing the wrong way. from a purely humane standpoint, i hope to see many muslims, atheists, etc who truly believed they were being honest/good show up in god's kingdom. they can stay at my place.
@MrSomethingscary I'm sure there are plenty of muslims who are getting on with their, lives, trying to become better, kinder, wiser people, and keeping themselves out of the headlines. It's the ones devoted to forcing their beliefs on others who are a) the problem and b) not spiritual anyway
@secallen i know. they do crazy stuff. things that god obviously doesn't do. in the military my job is to fight them. as a christian, my job is to do what god would do about them. (love your enemy...pray for those who persecute) i know that sodom and gomorrah type justice is in fact what many of us deserve, but i also know sometimes i'm supposed to have a heart that says 'father forgive them'...while they torture me to death. i know that as soon i start to hate them, it consumes me.
Trying to be a good muslim means walking away from its falsehood and accepting the Lord and Savior, the Son of God, Jesus Christ and following Him in all things. The all mighty God awaits your return to Him in truth and righteousness and then expects you to help bring the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ to all and eternal life to all that believe in Him.
@paulmarcelrene Good offer or not? Assume you are working with a company & you have direct communicate with the manager. Your friend has offered you an alternative communicate method which is to pass your message to him and he will pass it to your manager. Will you accept his offer as is?
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim I'm sorry, the reason this question is invalid is that speaking to the SON of the Manager, God, who the manager put in charge of all things, is the same as speaking to the manager Himself. The Son of God, Jesus Christ, is whom God Himself sent and thus it is appropriate. In my business, speaking to my partner is the same as speaking to me because we, like God and His Son Jesus Christ, are one in purpose. To know the Son is to know God, know meaning their divine nature
"The Son of God" we are also "Sons of God" Genesis 6:2.
[whom God Himself sent] Good, so Jesus was sent by God. Thank You
[partner is the same as speaking to me] We call it "Delegation of Authority" which means to assign your authority and responsibility to another person (normally for a specific roles) because, If you delegate all your powers to him/her you will not be the manager and the relationship will be changed to owner & Manager.
No one's religion was Islam until Mohammad invented it. The God of Abraham, of Jacob, of Moses, and of Jesus Christ the Son of God IS NOT the allah of Islam. The one true God and His Son Jesus Christ know allah whom God kicked out of heaven with a 1/3 of the hosts of heaven when he attempted to overthrow God and "become the most high". The allah of Islam is the great adversary, the self proclaimed great lier and deceiver (so says the qu'ran).
@paulmarcelrene I think you haven't got the idea of the speaker. Don't focus on the words focus on the meaning of the words. Islam means submission to the will of God and obedience to His law. The word "Allah" in the Arabic language means God. Being a Muslim means you submit yourself fully to the Creator and accept the fact that you were only created to worship God Alone.
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim I am fully aware that Allah is Arabic for God. And when God sent His Son, Jesus Christ to fulfill all prophecies, God through His Son shared His divinity with mankind as Emmanuel walked amongst us and then gave His physical life as payment for the sins of all who accept Him, for God is a just God.
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim did they all tell the truth? one of them says he's the only way to god.
equality, even among mere average joes, is something man made. an idol, worshipped for the political/social popularity it brings the worshipper. if we're all different then how could we possibly be equal? with a just god, how could we all get treated the same when we all make different choices over the course of our lives? people pretend to value equality cuz it's cool.
@MrSomethingscary If almighty God has sent two prophets at the same time with two different religions then your question is valid. But this is not the case for Prophet Jesus and Mohammed (PBUH). Jesus was sent to the Jews only (Matthew 15:24) and after 500 yrs Almighty God has sent Prophet Mohammed, to the whole world.
Core Message of Prophets:
Prophets Moses, Jesus and Mohammed preached and practiced Abrahamic Monotheistic Faith.
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim i understand his geographical area and culture were jewish, but when he says 'i'm the way, truth, and life. nobody comes to god except thru me' then that means anybody that wants to be with god has to go with jesus, right? that means that even if he was only 'sent' to the inuit of greenland, he's still the way for all of us.
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim so do you see mohammed as fullfilling the old testament prophecies about the messiah? cuz you put that he was sent to the whole world.
@MrSomethingscary There are prophecies for Jesus the Messiah and Prophet Mohammed Peace upon to them.
For example Deuteronomy 18:18 is a prophecy about Mohammed, "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him."
Prophet Jesus was a Jew {among them} and Prophet Mohammed was an Arab {brothers}. The Arabs and Jews are descended from Abraham through his sons Ishmael & Isaac.
@paulmarcelrene You don't need to attack Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) to prove your religion, you need to have a good answer for the question "What was the Religion of Jesus?"
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim Jesus, the Son of God, was born and practiced the only true religion at the time, Judaism. His birth, life, and death was the progression from Judaism to Christianity, which is the belief in and worship of the son of God who ended the time of and fulfilled the prophecies. The god invented by Mohammed from half remembered Judaism and Christianity, mixed with the local pagan traditions is NOT the one true God of Abraham, of Jacob, of Moses, and Jesus. Proof links available.
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim what would the religion of someone who 'cared for the widow, the orphan, and those in prison' be? what name would you give it? god would call it, 'being godly' or 'fearing god' or living your life 'in jesus name'.
@MrSomethingscary God said: "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good)." Surat 'Āli `Imrān 3:85
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim does this mean that if i'm living my life for god, you'd call me a muslim? then just call all real christians muslims and then finally jacob and esau (or was it ishmael?) can be brothers again.
it doesn't mean that does it. b/c you're not saying just 'submission to god', you're saying submission to islam, which could be different. saying that anyone who loves god is muslim cuz islam is submission to him, is just a clever attempt to convert someone.
@MrSomethingscary Islam means submission to the will of God and God has sent Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). So, without Accepting Prophet Mohammed you can't claim the submission. Why you don't accept Prophet Mohammed as a prophet of God? Give me one real reason not copy/paste reasons.
You know Jesus (Peace be upon him) never in his life use the word "God" He spoke Aramaic Language his called God = Ĕlāhā.
A follower of Jesus and his religion would use the term. His Aramaic language is similar to of Arabic. A little research won't help. Oh yeah, could you explain this quote for me.
Matthew 15:24 - "But he [Jesus] answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
@KinMobby3tic The move to incorporate Gentiles into the early ecclesia did not come until after the resurrection of Jesus (Acts 10). It was produced by a direct revelation from God (Acts 10:10-16) and was confirmed by a dispensation of the Holy Spirit send by God (Acts 10:44-48). This shows the sanction of God for including the Gentiles in the ecclesia, and if this is encouraged by God then the Gospel must be a message for Gentiles as well as Jews. (PART ONE)
@KinMobby3tic Jesus gave the Apostles the command to preach the Gospel in all the world and to everyone without restriction. (Matthew 28:19,20; Mark 16:15; Acts 1:8). This shows that Jesus considered his message to be a universal one for all people. The claims of real Christianity to be a religion for people from all nations is excellent. There is no cultural baggage. Prayers are in the vernacular as God intended and the Bible can be understood in translation into many languages. (Part Two)
@KinMobby3tic you may not say someone knows jesus unless you see their life. what did 'i am' mean to the people then?
quote explained: (to the extent that god has revealed) jesus was given the twelve (hence the 'i haven't lost one of the ones you gave me') others we're given others.
please understand: 'he came unto his own, but his own did not recieve him' and the samaritan woman. 'for god so loved the world...' that's you, and me. it's ridiculous ain't it? we're so bad.
@KinMobby3tic i think the roman centurion, (who had more faith than any of the jews) the samaritan woman, anybody who jesus met whether jew or gentile was who he was sent to. sure the messiah is a jewish fullfillment, but doesn't the old testament talk about there being a light to gentiles, and all the people of the earth knowing the lord? don't be a pharisee, silly.
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@cloeda Google "Sunni" and you will find the answer. "The word "Sunni" comes from the term Sunnah , which refers to the sayings and actions of Muhammad that are recorded in hadiths.
What if it is all just a construct? Would it not be more probable that a man in trying times borrowed monotheism in order to force rule of law upon a people not used to it? A laudable goal indeed, but the construct has run its course. We are men and women living upon the same rock in space and it would do us well to not put these antiquities between us. Look not to a book but to your living brother - no pulp and paper can own morality. Forget history and define today. Explore......
Also a person has to pray in arabic . Only about 30% of the muslem world speak Arabic the rest recite prayer and the Koran in Arabic they cant even understand it. Thats a tiny % world wide. Fancy a god only hearing is human creation in only 1 language !!
@criskros88 The Qura'n was revealed in Arabic. If you want to know why just ask don't jump to conclusion without a knowledge. Watch this Video watch?v=KBj227G7MNk
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim Yes I know, that’s why I said no one can come to Allah in any other language, Arabic only. Pathetic. Ahmed Deedat who else ? Why would i watch another uneducated bias deedat video. Never have i seen a Muslim produce any evidence other than more deedat videos.
How does a blind, deaf mentally challenged or poor islander learn Arabic to have a change of heaven?? These people have no change of learning Arabic!! Since when does God want people to learn another language just so one can pray to him? Wake up already!!
@criskros88 Learning Arabic is not one of Islamic Fundamentals therefore, learning Arabic is not required. Learning The Holy Quran Chapter 1 "Al Fathiha" which is only 7 statements is requested to perform the Salah.
Are u saying a muslem can say prayers in english ?? i dont think so !!
think about it . Allah cannot hear your prayers unless the correct method is done. 1 language, no mistakes, I direction at certain times. its just silly
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim God wants His word to be accessible to ALL people. This is why his only Holy Word is found in the Holy Bible and NO other book and translated into almost every language on earth.
How do they come to this conclusion? Islam wasn't around at the time of Moses and Jesus. Moses was Jewish and Jesus was a radical reformist, a cultist of Judaism. Islam is derived from Judaism so it could be true to an extent.
But I am not religious and not a historian. I guess only your god knows.
all Prophets are Muslim...but...before Muhammad S.A.W. borned..the word of Islam doesn't exist yet..bcoz Islam was in Arabic...Arabic was from Al-Quran..think bout it..
Jesus was a rabbi, the last super was a pass over cedar. HE was Jewish.
Islam wasn't in existence about 632(?) AD. Does this guy mean that all our religions are the same in they we all worship god and love him, just in different ways, or is he just pulling stuff out of thin air?
In Fact all true followers of all prophets, incl Jesus & Moses who believed in ONE GOD, Day of Judgment, Angles, all Prophets were MUSLIMS. All Prophets Preached ONE PATH OF ONE GOD ISLAM.
The term Christianity is an invention. The word JEW mean a person frm the tribe of JUDA, not a religion, Nasara mean Nazareths. 5th Gospel of Professor Fida Husnain also gives proof that true followers of Jesus called them self Muslims. (Also refer to verse 3:52). (A Nazareth Muslim, A French Muslim etc)
@PurgingFalsehood There are no Muslim prophets. There was only Jewish Prophets until the Son of God Jesus Christ came and fulfilled all prophecies. This ended the time of Prophets.
Islam offers direct relationship to God without any intermediaries. You can know God by praying to God directly. I ask for God directly to forgive my sins and shortcomings.
You sir offers that God in his "Fatherly" form is too great for us to pray directly to and that he must become "Flesh" for us to know him so that God can "LIVE in and with" us, so that our "origininal sin" could be wiped out by the blood of God or "Son of God".
islam does not offer anything but hate, liars and deceit, you don’t even know if ill-allah hears you when you pray you have no personal relationship with ill-allah, you don’t even know if you’ll even make to jennah, after spending GOD knows how long time in hell before ill-allah allows you out, only to be told sorry no 72 virgin for you, your 1 point short so well you stay forever, so keep your logic
hmm I wish that you muslims would make up your mind, I have just read from a muslim that I need a mediator, so what is it plz, and we can also ask forgiveness for our sins and shortcomings direcly to YEHOVAH and we know withour a shadow of a doubt that HE hears us and that HE will also answer us, whereas in islam you don't know if this ill-allah hears you because he never answer does he? So how will you know if he hears?
Wake up hero!! Muslims do not have a personal relationship with Allah. He is so transcendent and self willed no Muslim even knows his character, u cant have a relationship with someone u don’t know, u are taught to submit and obey thats it no questions asked...
@murphydonut do you actually understand the punishment for breaking God's law? I doubt it, if you did you wouldn't be spouting this bile. The wages of sin is death, so a death HAD to occur for us to be free of God's law. Muhammed is warned about in the bible: Paul said to the Corinthians in his second letter: 'For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.' ~ 2 Corinthians 11:13-14
@murphydonut Except it is not a real offer from the One True God and His Son Jesus Christ. When shopping, the least price is not the usually the best bargain because the cheaper item breaks, fails, and then must be replaced with the good product, or in this case, the TRUE God.
@murphydonut God doesn't believe in man's flawed logic. And Islam teaches that allah, NOT the one true God of Abraham, of Jacob, of Moses, and Jesus. (Proof links available.) will forgive whoever on a whim. This is not the just and loving good He is.
@gobuddyboy No, it is not. he God of Abraham, of Jacob, of Moses, and of Jesus Christ the Son of God IS NOT the allah of Islam. The one true God and His Son Jesus Christ know allah whom God kicked out of heaven with a 1/3 of the hosts of heaven when he attempted to overthrow God and "become the most high". The allah of Islam is the great adversary, the self proclaimed great lier and deceiver (so says the qu'ran).
My belief is that I dont believe in religion. I believe in Truth. There are many false christians out there teaching an empty religous christianity. Jesus came to free us from all that. He came to forgive our sins. He came to saves us. I now not only believe in God-Jesus-, but I also KNOW Him. I LIVE in and with him. What does Islam offer me more than this? If someone can answer me that, then Ill become a muslim.
@yaruchik You sir have gone coocoo in the head. Some bolts have gotten loose and your mental stability gone jiggly. YOU LINE IN AND WITH JESUS(pbuh). Are you a you a lunatic? Honestly. Jesus isn't HERE, and You could never be IN HIM, he was a MAN. Can you be IN A MAN?(Don't take it that way please) Just honestly, get some meds, and think 1st. You are in Allah's universe and You will meet him when you die, You aren't IN GOD, that's a pantheistic view. Whatever happened to LOGIC!! Astagfirullah.
Jassewb, I don't know why you're so upset. I was just explaining what I (and other christians) believe. I think that what upsets you is that we have a special relationship with God; something that Islam is unable to accomplish. You don't understand what I mean because you're thoughts are base (physical) and not spiritual. If you really want to listen, then tell me and we'll talk.
If I was a pantheist I would have said that we are all in God(and are part of God). And that's no what I said.
You think to know everything about me, yet I've only written a few words. First, I'm not a catholic (I regard catholicism as an empty religion). I don't need a priest either, Jesus is our high priest. And how do you know what I know if you don't even know me? I know what the original scriptures are, I read them every day. But do you know the original scriptures of Islam (the Qu'ran)--that is, before Uthman? Finally, what is a relationship with God to you?
Yes the words before the compilation of Uthman was exactly the same as the Qur'an we have today.
The only things that were eliminated were not different Qur'ans but unauthentic parchments and skins, etc that were not checked at the time of Mohammed(pbuh).
And you know the original scriptures? YOU read them every day?
Why have you not handed these to the christian scholars and that have been searching for them for years. You must be the only person with these "original" scripures.
1. If it is the same then why did Uthman ordered to burn all other manuscripts? Who says they were less authentic than what you have now? And not everything was checked by Mohammed. You can read an exemple of this in the Mishkat al-Masabih. Besides the teachings of Mohammad was sometimes memorized not written; this means that some information was lost (when some of them died), and second, there were some variations (memory is tricky) as even
Mohammad forgot some verses (Sunan Abu Dawud, Vol. 3, p.1114). More over, you are proud to say that you only have one perfect Quran (which that in itself is a proof that is unreliability) but there is evidence by de codices written before Uthman by Abdullah ibn Mas`ud and Ubai ibn Ka`b the there were difference. Any way, you dont have to prove me anything; even if the Quran was the same it wouldnt change anything, because I dont base my claims on this, my real claims are on his teachings.
Hearing and obeying is not having a relationship. You can say to a Robot (or an animal) do this, do the other, and will do it. But youre not having a relationship with him(it). Second, you dont have to please somebody to have a relationship. Maybe your dad is not pleased with you, but that doesnt mean theres no relationship; your dad may still love you the same—and this is what God does.
A true relationship with God can only come through the parakletos (not the periklitos that you wrongly claim); which is his spirit.
My believe does not branch from catholinothing, I believe what the word says, and thats it, I dont follow any religion. And yes, catholicism has had a big impact on christianity, and some denominations still follow some aspects of catholicism—sadly. Now, youre assuming that I dont know anything about the...
...the religion of christianity (remember I dont believe in a religion) but you dont even know me; that sounds to me a bit arrogant. And just to remind you, mormons and Jehovas witnesses dont belive in Jesus-God, and Catholics believe in works(just like you) and Mary, which is not Biblical.
And just to clarify, Mormons and Jehovas witness are not Christian because they dont believe in Jesus the Mesiah. Farther, this are not the four divisions, this last two are just a minority. The three(not four) divisions are: Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants. And the last think you say is very funny (Im sorry, but it just is). You use the word pagan when in fact this word was invented by the christians to denote polytheism! And long before Islam appeared.
You know, I am a bit tired of hearing always this false accusations. First, Jesus was not other God, so this is not politheism. Second, Jesus is eternal, he was before the world was formed. Jesus came in the form of a man (he made himself lower than the angels for us), God did not have a son as we humans do. Of course, this would be paganism. But we dont believe in this.
Jesus is called Son of God because he became a man, and the relationship we humans have with God (if we accept him) is that of a Father and a son. So it is fitting to call Jesus the Son of God, because he became a man. But most importantly, Son of God is a mesianic term, which means He was the expected redeemer. This was not an unusual term for Jews.
So, dont get me wrong, but I dont think you know the Bible too much.
You believe in A religion, just not organised religion, but still a religion nonetheless.
Actually catholics do not believe in works, they believe in confession of sins. More like you are a sin basket, and every so often you need to go to the priest to empty the load.
If you want to make the one who created you happy, you obey.
And I never said Allah stopped loving me if I didn't obey.
However I make sure I do as good as I can. It's called "being grateful".
And if you don't think so, well then even a dog is better than a human, since even when a dog is just given crumbs he is grateful, however many humans even given everything we have, still won't obey.
The memorisers of the Qur'an didn't memorise parts, they memorised the entire Qur'an off by heart. This is called being a Hafiz, and it was there was always a minimum of two people making sure it was as written.
Muslims always had the most care for authenticity, this is even verified in our method of collecting Hadith, which are more authentic than even the bible, even though collected years later.
Manuscripts that were burned were unnecessary because they weren't official.
If the base of the tree is wrong, then so are the branches.
Hence I urge you to actually study christianity, and don't think I do not know it.
I have protestant friends, neighbours who are jehovah witnesses, my mother used to be a mormon and my father a catholic.
So I have got the sources of all 4 great divisions in christianity. All who say God begot a son is a pagan. From that moment forth you believe in more than one God..
God in the bible is solely "The Father" nothing more.
@paulmarcelrene Well catholics are just as much as christians as any other group, in fact the biggest group of christians world wide. Which christianity should I choose, the one that says jesus is only a prophet, the one that says he's triune with the Father and the holy ghost, the one that says he's only the literally begotten son of God, the one that says he's all three of those things. I just don't see anything that could ever convince me back to christianity.
@paulmarcelrene I wish people knew how ridiculous that claim is. That what is supposed to be The Eternal, Self-Sufficient, Independent, require to have a SON, descent. I'm sorry, but an illogical God is no God at all. If you say, he's metaphorically the son of God, as creation of God, or as a good person, godly person, I'll agree. But as the literal son of God, it's a pure joke in the face of all logic and reasoning. Not to mention there is not proof of it. There are many sons of God biblically.
For God religion as we see it is not important. What is important is the relationship we have with him. We dont believe in a religion, we believe in Truth. Of course it is silly- very silly- to ask Jesus what is his religion. God doesn't have a religion! "They are all following Paul" What absurdity. Please someone, tell this man to read the Bible. The tweleve apostles followed Jesus when Paul-as a Pharisee- was presecuting them!
Paul is not the founder of Christianity if so produce your proof, and also produce your proof abt the disciples being muslims thank you, all this sounds very strange coming from the mouth of an ex-catholic I must say
really so because I write books does it mean that I am a founder of a religion, Paul where not a Christian he where in fact a Jew so where all the disciples of JESUSno 1 in the Bible where a muslim, yes the disciples did submit to the GOD of ISRAEL and the FATHER of JESUS, they also knew that JESUS where the SON OF GOD, which muhammad came 700 yr later and denied
Ahmed Deedat is great scholar in Islamic world. Allah is great
choudhury1968 1 month ago
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google: THE BURDEN OF THE MESSENGER
NEWMESSAGE(.org). It contains a warning a preparation and a blessing . The warning is about the extraterrestrial presence in our world today.
worldwiderelease 1 month ago
@SupremeARA915 well look at that, a fellow believer. flex the muscles fed by the meat from the One.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
judaism, islam, christianity... all 'concocted words'. the question is, 'who do you act like?' my personal opinion is that good christians act like jesus, and good muslims seem to resemble mohammed quite well. jesus forgives and loves his enemies, mohammed condemns and kills them. this seems to me to be a decent basic contrast of the two religions, once you take away the followers who don't follow very good. true followers claim a person, not a label. that's silly. dumb question.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary
My friend if you are able to find a single proof that Muhammad (SAW) slayed an innocent human being to spread the word of Islam. I'll leave religion. Until then do not make false statements...
I love Jesus (pbuh) after all he is one of the 25 great prophets in Islam.
KinMobby3tic 2 months ago
@KinMobby3tic i know this is probably useless to say, but if you love jesus then why don't you believe what he said? there's a bunch he said that disagrees with you saying he's 1/25. and the killing done by early islam is extensively documented isn't it? that's how it spread real quick. again, we probably don't believe what each other's books say, so this is probably a waste of time.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary
I do believe in what he preaches. "Worship the One True God" that is what all the 25 prophets have been preaching. From the 1st prophet Adam (pbuh) right down to the last prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
I have the right to love Jesus, Moses, Abraham (pbut). Killing done by early Islam? I am not going to go further because you accuse without proof. What is wasting time is your continuous attack on our prophet without any evidence.
KinMobby3tic 2 months ago
@KinMobby3tic better to attack a prophet than the son of god.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary You should stop your nude thinking.Why should God have a son?
01923053891 1 month ago
@01923053891 what kind of son would spirit have? does god have a body that he could ever be nude? the lengths to which folks go at times to hallow god's name make me think they're doing it to feel good about themselves, not to really honor god. the apostle paul calls timothy his son, did paul have sex with someone? don't be silly. god says after jesus' baptism, this is my son...well pleased. as far as real nude thinking (fleshly lust), i'm trying bro. thanks for the encouragement.
MrSomethingscary 1 month ago
@MrSomethingscary Jesus is a messenger and a slave of god.Nothing else.
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@MrSomethingscary
Who ever said that Humans are perfect?? Humans make mistakes all the time. U say that Muslims kill Christians everywhere? And i agree they do. But Christians kill Muslims daily. Jews kill, Hindus, Sikhs. Everyone kills. Whites enslaved colored people so are all white people slave masters and the world needs to get rid of them?
The reality is Humans are imperfect. In Syria, the Muslims protect the Arameans (Jesus's people) against Israel. Read up on it. Stop passing judgements.
KinMobby3tic 2 months ago
@KinMobby3tic christians kill muslims daily? where?
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary
1. Yelwa Massacre - 660 Muslims were killed, Women and young girls were raped. 12 mosques were burnt.
2. Iraq War - 250,000 civilians died.
3. Afghan War
Christians in medieval times.
Crusades killed more than 1 million civilians: men, women and children.
The holocaust - Christians killing Jews. Most recently, Hitler's murdering
Witch-hunting - Roughly 1 million civilians died at the hand of Christians.
Compare it to the Muslims and it's nothing in comparison.
KinMobby3tic 2 months ago
@KinMobby3tic It is estimate that Islam killed more than 270 million persons in his history of jihads and religious wars.Acts like bombs a mosque or a church are ordinary stuffs for you "religion" not mentionig stuffs like north cyprus ,assyrian,armenians ... but your people insist to act like a drama queen for it is own victims,A question: why should i care. You don t give a fuck about the victims of your "religion" are you sad for the victims of Qurayza , no, so at least be a man
TheBlackdago 1 month ago
@TheBlackdago
That estimate is wrong.. I'm not stating that the Ottoman Empire were righteous and pure... I'm saying Islam is the perfect religion. Difference between religion and people. If you see a Muslim drinking alcohol is stupid to say "Islam is wrong" because of ones actions.
Victims of Qurayza? A lot of non-believers take things out of context of what happened to the people of Banu Qurayza and claim such and such.
KinMobby3tic 1 month ago
@KinMobby3tic yelwa seems to be the only legitimate example of real christian vs muslim violence, and that particular massacre was one of many back and forth land disputes between those two groups. those others, if you believe them to be examples of christian violence, mostly just make me not want to keep talking to you. this is my fourth attempt at replying to you without using hatefull language. good luck on your journey, friend.
MrSomethingscary 1 month ago
@KinMobby3tic jesus is one of 25 prophets is a false statement. saying he was only sent to the jews is a false statement. 'in christ there is neither jew nor gentile...' saying that islam is as peacefull as the next religion is false. but, i'm thinking that this discussion is something better left to the spirit. i think we've reached the end of our productive dialogue. peace be upon you.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary
You insult my Prophet (pbuh) and you say "peace be upon you" - this is why we can't have a good discussion... You continuously attack other peoples faith without knowledge of even your own faith. Jesus also preached to love your neighbor didn't he? Are you actually behaving like a good Christian? understand your own faith before attacking others. May Allah open your eyes and find the straight path.
KinMobby3tic 2 months ago
@KinMobby3tic sorry for any insults, but i would not have said any of it unless i thought i could be a good christian while doing so. i find that muslims' sense of fairplay is based on false scales. non-christian people in america have burnt the bible many times, but when one person burned the koran it was an international incident. i find muslims to be quick to anger, and slow to forgive. i find this explains most middle eastern issues. are you american? your attitude kills dialogue.
MrSomethingscary 1 month ago
@MrSomethingscary
"I find muslims to be quick to anger, and slow to forgive" - again generalizing the 1.5-1.7bill muslim population.
Do you understand the relationship between the Qur'an and a Muslim. Can you blame a Muslim for loving his religion, for loving his Lord?
If a muslim feels someone is disrespecting Islam. He/She has the right to defend their belief. That is natural among all people. I don't know how important the bible is to you. But the Qur'an is very dear to me and I love it.
KinMobby3tic 1 month ago
@MrSomethingscary
Firstly, things that are happening in the middle east are purely political. People want freedom. They are fighting cruel dictators once that happens things will be good. This has nothing to do with religion.
Secondly, this conversation is about religion not politics. If you want a politics debate go find an Obama video and start something otherwise stick to religion. All you need to know is that i'm a Muslim. Just stop generalizing people and we'll be *thumbs up*
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klevdav 2 months ago
everyones leaving christianity , they are seeing there bullshit so they are desperate to keep people and their MONEY . see now they change bible tyo allow alcohol, pig, gays ect they go to the poor countrys give them food and also give them bible if they say no , then they dont get food. they are lying against islam most cos most xtians are joininbg islam.all they accuse others they have done themselves. so wen ppl saw church lies dats why they leave , dirty tricks lies only fake faith does
sajakram1 2 months ago
@SupremeARA915 You have clearly not watched this video or if you did havnt undertood it. Nowhere in the Torah does it even mention the word judaism. Moses and Jesus came to preach only one thing and that is 'submission to the will of God'. Thats the meaning of the word Islam in Arabic language. So basicly Moses and Jesus came to preach Islam. But obviously with what i said in mind you will continue to ignore me and with a biased heart, reject all truth.
windowsblind 3 months ago
@windowsblind Why in the name of normality would jesus teach Islam, Did Jesus have 25 surf wives, did Jesus murder, did jesus keep slaves or even take slaves, did Jesus marry a young child, did Jesus except rape the answer is NO, only Islam could practice these teachings.
evilofisalm 3 months ago
@evilofisalm Islam means submitting your will to God. Jesus taught that you should submit your will to God therefore he preached Islam. Islam does not practice these teachings gtfo dont tell me stuff you have no knowledge in.
windowsblind 3 months ago
@windowsblind How do you come up with such crap my pet budgie has a higher IQ than you
evilofisalm 3 months ago
@evilofisalm What crap? My comment is clear its not that you dont understand it, you just dont want to accept it. FACT!!!
windowsblind 2 months ago
@windowsblind I do understand you are just brain dead your a peadophile worshipper, and EVIL
evilofisalm 2 months ago
@evilofisalm LMAO I know everything about my religion but do you? I guess you dont oh wait why dont you go ask John to give the unchanged bible. You think I will follow Islam if it was how you are describing it? or would anyone else follow it if it was evil, NO. Infact Islam is the opposite but whats the point in telling you. Infact it is you who is braindead who gets this stereotypical shit of other people about Islam.
windowsblind 2 months ago
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@windowsblind "Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them" (Quran:4:89).
evilofisalm 2 months ago
@windowsblind didn't this guy in the video point out the silliness of judging godliness based on terminology and religious labels? islam does indeed mean submitting your will to god, but what is the nature of islams' god? being a disciple of jesus means the same thing (obedience to god) but jesus and mohammed did very different things. to understand what a religion is based on, a person must know it's leader, not it's terminology or even it's doctrine. faith/belief is action not words.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary What did Mohammad (pbuh) do that was so wrong and evil? What did he do that was different to Jesus (pbuh)?
windowsblind 2 months ago
@windowsblind am i correct in thinking that islam was promoted through violence and christianity was promoted through persecution?
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary I dont know about christianity but Islam wasnt spread thorugh violence. You may think it did because of the battles but they happened because the makkans wanted to kill the muslims in Medina so Jihad was permitted for self defence. The prophet (pbuh) was battered with stones and garbages were thrown at him but he never layed a finger on them. Even when he went back into makkah and took it back, there were no bloodshed and he let them all go.
windowsblind 2 months ago
@windowsblind not to be disrespectfull, but out of all the religions we covered in this 'world religions' class, islam and sihkism (the hindu's reaction to islam) were the two most violent. sihkism never attempted to evangelize tho so their violence didn't spread the way islam's did. as far as christianity, all but one of the apostles was crucified. and somehow it spread even tho you risked death for believing it. i was taught islam spread thru violence pretty much 100%.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary Leave to the humans to bring violence and they will. Its true that there is violence but that is caused by people not truely understanding Islam. Islam says let there be no compulsion in religion so we cant force anyone to convert to a muslim. Humans are capable of so much pain and suffering. Islam doesnt tell its followers to kill people, its some people that follow it that think they should because they are uneducated.
windowsblind 2 months ago
@windowsblind i haven't read the quran, yet, but i hope what you're saying is true. unfortunately, muslims are killing, or imprisoning and sentencing christians all the time today. i get 'voice of the martyrs' and 'gospel for asia' stuff daily and it's always: 'pray for this family cuz their dad just got killed by a gang of religious extremists' or 'send money for this family cuz people burnt down their house' etc. i love that muslims are so dedicated, but a lot of them are bad.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@windowsblind i think he was saying that, even if no muslim ever did these things, could islam say it was bad? since mohammed did do them? i don't think he's questioning mulsim practice today, just questioning some of it's founder's practices. i suppose he could question some of the stuff muslim's do today, after the issue of mohammed's practices is settled.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
The crescent moon sign of Islam can be trace back B.C.the ancient Sumerian,
the crescent usually being associated with the moon god Sin & the star
(often identified as Venus) was also called BAAL-HADAD/SATAN himself.The
moon/sun god was also worshiped by ancient Egyptians so in other words, the Islam was already there before Christianity or any other religion existed. Read Isaiah:14:12-17 then explain,why is Islam carrying the symbol of SATAN... Sura 19:71 & 72. every Muslim will go to Hell.
pnai24qc 4 months ago
@pnai24qc very interesting. It is also interesting to find out when that sign started to be known and used by some Islamic entities (I think the Turks started that). Similar interest goes for the start of David. There is no single trace to indicate that the start was ever used by the beloved prophet David. The star is an ancient shape used by some old relegions that indicated a god that has both male/female identity. David here is a 17th century Iraqi jew who simply used it for his sect
saleemalbuz 3 months ago
@pnai24qc actually the moon symbol was there as soon as there was a moon partly shadowed by the earth. so islam's been around since before there was even people...?
interesting facts bro, but i don't think the history of a symbol can be used to prove religious practice. b/c symbols get tossed around all the time don't they. the modern medical profession bears no relation to a greek messenger of the gods who probably doesn't even exist. (staff with the snake)
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@SupremeARA915 Islam was created by God, and revealed to Muhammad by the angle Gabriel, then Muhammad revealed it to the world, and may peace be upon him, Allah Akbar
hakimshakour17 4 months ago
@hakimshakour17 no man comes to the father except through the son. if honesty is paramount, i believe we will be brothers one day. please follow the path to it's end. with love, and respect.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@SupremeARA915 and when a greek woman came to him asking for cure, he said to his disciples do not throw the bread of the children to the dogs, means the non jews. Jesus was not sent to anyone else but to the jews, and he was a jewish prophet who kept the law and warned from rejecting it. Now if you claim you follow Jesus, now why do you reject the law of Moses and follow Paul??you have to make up your mind, and choose between Jesus and the law in one hand, and Paul rejecting the law on another.
emesol0 6 months ago
@emesol0 when did jesus tell a gentile to get circumcized? how many times did the jewish leaders question his actions? and how many times did he respond with authority to tell them about the deeper law? when the lawyers are silenced, it's b/c truth has come.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@SupremeARA915 yes...but Jesus came not to destroy the law of Moses, and he warned those who destroy the law of Moses that they will not enter the kingdom of heaven, but Paul abandoned the law and rejected it so that he can get more gentiles into the new christianity he made, jesus himself said I'm not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Isreal, he said go not to the way of the gentiles, but go rather into the lost sheep of the house of israel
emesol0 6 months ago
@emesol0 the ten plagues of egypt, death of the firstborn...god tells moses that pharaoh's firstborn will die b/c pharaoh won't let god's firstborn (israel) go free. if the jews are the firstborn, who's the second? third? if god wanted israel to be a nation of preists, what two parties was israel supposed to mediate between? preists serve between the deity and the common people right? doesn't it seem as tho god has been attempting to take back 'all' the works of the devil? not just some.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@SupremeARA915 If you are a christian....if Jesus followed judaism and followed the law of Moses..why do u reject the law of Moses and follow Paul who destroyed the law of Moses??!!
emesol0 6 months ago
@emesol0 names? jesus was greater, have christians not said this? moses and paul and mohammed, if he was following jesus, all were doing what god said. you can tell if you read them. some follow a god, some (one) claims to be god's perfect image, from the before the beginning. we don't have to be enemies. can you say that jesus' life was good? then we're in agreement. if you want to toy with names and labels, then you just want to argue. do you love those who disagree with you?
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@SupremeARA915 It's obvious to me that, you copypaste statement this "Islam was created by muhammed" and I'm sure you haven't read The Qur'an or Sunnah and you haven't studied your Bible carefull.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 6 months ago
Muslims are expert are rewriting history AKA lying.
secallen 6 months ago
@secallen random xtian-yes but their devotion puts some of jesus' followers to shame.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary devotion is not necessarily a virtue, it depends what one is devoted to
secallen 2 months ago
@secallen true, but you have to admire the disciplined plowing of some fields. sure maybe the wrong seed was planted, but that's kind of the salt/light's fault ain't it. and, although i'd never argue the idea, i believe that god looks kindly on a virtuous life even when it's pointing the wrong way. from a purely humane standpoint, i hope to see many muslims, atheists, etc who truly believed they were being honest/good show up in god's kingdom. they can stay at my place.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary I'm sure there are plenty of muslims who are getting on with their, lives, trying to become better, kinder, wiser people, and keeping themselves out of the headlines. It's the ones devoted to forcing their beliefs on others who are a) the problem and b) not spiritual anyway
secallen 2 months ago
@secallen i know. they do crazy stuff. things that god obviously doesn't do. in the military my job is to fight them. as a christian, my job is to do what god would do about them. (love your enemy...pray for those who persecute) i know that sodom and gomorrah type justice is in fact what many of us deserve, but i also know sometimes i'm supposed to have a heart that says 'father forgive them'...while they torture me to death. i know that as soon i start to hate them, it consumes me.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
Trying to be a good muslim means walking away from its falsehood and accepting the Lord and Savior, the Son of God, Jesus Christ and following Him in all things. The all mighty God awaits your return to Him in truth and righteousness and then expects you to help bring the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ to all and eternal life to all that believe in Him.
paulmarcelrene 8 months ago
@paulmarcelrene Good offer or not? Assume you are working with a company & you have direct communicate with the manager. Your friend has offered you an alternative communicate method which is to pass your message to him and he will pass it to your manager. Will you accept his offer as is?
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 8 months ago
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim I'm sorry, the reason this question is invalid is that speaking to the SON of the Manager, God, who the manager put in charge of all things, is the same as speaking to the manager Himself. The Son of God, Jesus Christ, is whom God Himself sent and thus it is appropriate. In my business, speaking to my partner is the same as speaking to me because we, like God and His Son Jesus Christ, are one in purpose. To know the Son is to know God, know meaning their divine nature
paulmarcelrene 7 months ago
@paulmarcelrene
"The Son of God" we are also "Sons of God" Genesis 6:2.
[whom God Himself sent] Good, so Jesus was sent by God. Thank You
[partner is the same as speaking to me] We call it "Delegation of Authority" which means to assign your authority and responsibility to another person (normally for a specific roles) because, If you delegate all your powers to him/her you will not be the manager and the relationship will be changed to owner & Manager.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 7 months ago
No one's religion was Islam until Mohammad invented it. The God of Abraham, of Jacob, of Moses, and of Jesus Christ the Son of God IS NOT the allah of Islam. The one true God and His Son Jesus Christ know allah whom God kicked out of heaven with a 1/3 of the hosts of heaven when he attempted to overthrow God and "become the most high". The allah of Islam is the great adversary, the self proclaimed great lier and deceiver (so says the qu'ran).
paulmarcelrene 8 months ago
@paulmarcelrene I think you haven't got the idea of the speaker. Don't focus on the words focus on the meaning of the words. Islam means submission to the will of God and obedience to His law. The word "Allah" in the Arabic language means God. Being a Muslim means you submit yourself fully to the Creator and accept the fact that you were only created to worship God Alone.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 8 months ago
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim I am fully aware that Allah is Arabic for God. And when God sent His Son, Jesus Christ to fulfill all prophecies, God through His Son shared His divinity with mankind as Emmanuel walked amongst us and then gave His physical life as payment for the sins of all who accept Him, for God is a just God.
paulmarcelrene 7 months ago
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim i agree with this, but was mohammed or jesus a better image/how to book, for god?
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary All prophets are equal in islam.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 2 months ago
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim did they all tell the truth? one of them says he's the only way to god.
equality, even among mere average joes, is something man made. an idol, worshipped for the political/social popularity it brings the worshipper. if we're all different then how could we possibly be equal? with a just god, how could we all get treated the same when we all make different choices over the course of our lives? people pretend to value equality cuz it's cool.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary If almighty God has sent two prophets at the same time with two different religions then your question is valid. But this is not the case for Prophet Jesus and Mohammed (PBUH). Jesus was sent to the Jews only (Matthew 15:24) and after 500 yrs Almighty God has sent Prophet Mohammed, to the whole world.
Core Message of Prophets:
Prophets Moses, Jesus and Mohammed preached and practiced Abrahamic Monotheistic Faith.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 2 months ago
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim i understand his geographical area and culture were jewish, but when he says 'i'm the way, truth, and life. nobody comes to god except thru me' then that means anybody that wants to be with god has to go with jesus, right? that means that even if he was only 'sent' to the inuit of greenland, he's still the way for all of us.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary So who should I believe you or Jesus?
Jesus said:"I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel" and you said no he was sent to all of us!
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 2 months ago
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim so do you see mohammed as fullfilling the old testament prophecies about the messiah? cuz you put that he was sent to the whole world.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary There are prophecies for Jesus the Messiah and Prophet Mohammed Peace upon to them.
For example Deuteronomy 18:18 is a prophecy about Mohammed, "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him."
Prophet Jesus was a Jew {among them} and Prophet Mohammed was an Arab {brothers}. The Arabs and Jews are descended from Abraham through his sons Ishmael & Isaac.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 2 months ago
@paulmarcelrene You don't need to attack Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) to prove your religion, you need to have a good answer for the question "What was the Religion of Jesus?"
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 8 months ago
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim Jesus, the Son of God, was born and practiced the only true religion at the time, Judaism. His birth, life, and death was the progression from Judaism to Christianity, which is the belief in and worship of the son of God who ended the time of and fulfilled the prophecies. The god invented by Mohammed from half remembered Judaism and Christianity, mixed with the local pagan traditions is NOT the one true God of Abraham, of Jacob, of Moses, and Jesus. Proof links available.
paulmarcelrene 7 months ago
@paulmarcelrene According to your Bible we are all "the sons of God" (Genesis 6:2).
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 7 months ago
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim what would the religion of someone who 'cared for the widow, the orphan, and those in prison' be? what name would you give it? god would call it, 'being godly' or 'fearing god' or living your life 'in jesus name'.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary God said: "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good)." Surat 'Āli `Imrān 3:85
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 2 months ago
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim does this mean that if i'm living my life for god, you'd call me a muslim? then just call all real christians muslims and then finally jacob and esau (or was it ishmael?) can be brothers again.
it doesn't mean that does it. b/c you're not saying just 'submission to god', you're saying submission to islam, which could be different. saying that anyone who loves god is muslim cuz islam is submission to him, is just a clever attempt to convert someone.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@MrSomethingscary Islam means submission to the will of God and God has sent Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). So, without Accepting Prophet Mohammed you can't claim the submission. Why you don't accept Prophet Mohammed as a prophet of God? Give me one real reason not copy/paste reasons.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 2 months ago
@paulmarcelrene
You know Jesus (Peace be upon him) never in his life use the word "God" He spoke Aramaic Language his called God = Ĕlāhā.
A follower of Jesus and his religion would use the term. His Aramaic language is similar to of Arabic. A little research won't help. Oh yeah, could you explain this quote for me.
Matthew 15:24 - "But he [Jesus] answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
KinMobby3tic 7 months ago
@KinMobby3tic The move to incorporate Gentiles into the early ecclesia did not come until after the resurrection of Jesus (Acts 10). It was produced by a direct revelation from God (Acts 10:10-16) and was confirmed by a dispensation of the Holy Spirit send by God (Acts 10:44-48). This shows the sanction of God for including the Gentiles in the ecclesia, and if this is encouraged by God then the Gospel must be a message for Gentiles as well as Jews. (PART ONE)
paulmarcelrene 7 months ago
@KinMobby3tic Jesus gave the Apostles the command to preach the Gospel in all the world and to everyone without restriction. (Matthew 28:19,20; Mark 16:15; Acts 1:8). This shows that Jesus considered his message to be a universal one for all people. The claims of real Christianity to be a religion for people from all nations is excellent. There is no cultural baggage. Prayers are in the vernacular as God intended and the Bible can be understood in translation into many languages. (Part Two)
paulmarcelrene 7 months ago
@KinMobby3tic you may not say someone knows jesus unless you see their life. what did 'i am' mean to the people then?
quote explained: (to the extent that god has revealed) jesus was given the twelve (hence the 'i haven't lost one of the ones you gave me') others we're given others.
please understand: 'he came unto his own, but his own did not recieve him' and the samaritan woman. 'for god so loved the world...' that's you, and me. it's ridiculous ain't it? we're so bad.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
@KinMobby3tic i think the roman centurion, (who had more faith than any of the jews) the samaritan woman, anybody who jesus met whether jew or gentile was who he was sent to. sure the messiah is a jewish fullfillment, but doesn't the old testament talk about there being a light to gentiles, and all the people of the earth knowing the lord? don't be a pharisee, silly.
MrSomethingscary 2 months ago
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tigersforchrist 8 months ago
Some crap one person speaks
Muslims want to control the world and eliminate all other religions
Those that stand between them and the world are Israel if Israel will not be
Christianity will not be
Nor any other faith in the world would be dark
The world falls asleep on guard
And Muslims are taking over the world wake up
hezi0509 10 months ago
Good point about Jesus and Moses. If we asked Mohammed, would he say he was shia, sunni, sufi, ahmadiyya, alevi, karijite or other?
cloeda 1 year ago
@cloeda Google "Sunni" and you will find the answer. "The word "Sunni" comes from the term Sunnah , which refers to the sayings and actions of Muhammad that are recorded in hadiths.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 1 year ago
What if it is all just a construct? Would it not be more probable that a man in trying times borrowed monotheism in order to force rule of law upon a people not used to it? A laudable goal indeed, but the construct has run its course. We are men and women living upon the same rock in space and it would do us well to not put these antiquities between us. Look not to a book but to your living brother - no pulp and paper can own morality. Forget history and define today. Explore......
Alloutside 1 year ago
Also a person has to pray in arabic . Only about 30% of the muslem world speak Arabic the rest recite prayer and the Koran in Arabic they cant even understand it. Thats a tiny % world wide. Fancy a god only hearing is human creation in only 1 language !!
criskros88 1 year ago 2
@criskros88 The Qura'n was revealed in Arabic. If you want to know why just ask don't jump to conclusion without a knowledge. Watch this Video watch?v=KBj227G7MNk
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 1 year ago
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim Yes I know, that’s why I said no one can come to Allah in any other language, Arabic only. Pathetic. Ahmed Deedat who else ? Why would i watch another uneducated bias deedat video. Never have i seen a Muslim produce any evidence other than more deedat videos.
criskros88 1 year ago
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim
How does a blind, deaf mentally challenged or poor islander learn Arabic to have a change of heaven?? These people have no change of learning Arabic!! Since when does God want people to learn another language just so one can pray to him? Wake up already!!
criskros88 1 year ago
@criskros88 Learning Arabic is not one of Islamic Fundamentals therefore, learning Arabic is not required. Learning The Holy Quran Chapter 1 "Al Fathiha" which is only 7 statements is requested to perform the Salah.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 1 year ago
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim
Are u saying a muslem can say prayers in english ?? i dont think so !!
think about it . Allah cannot hear your prayers unless the correct method is done. 1 language, no mistakes, I direction at certain times. its just silly
criskros88 1 year ago
@criskros88 Hmmm.. of course he can pray in english... duh?
islam-qa(dot)com /en /ref /20953
iHateMyLifeGr 11 months ago
@criskros88 God is the one who created these languages, how do you say he only accepts to be asked in 1?
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iHateMyLifeGr 11 months ago
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim God wants His word to be accessible to ALL people. This is why his only Holy Word is found in the Holy Bible and NO other book and translated into almost every language on earth.
paulmarcelrene 7 months ago
How do they come to this conclusion? Islam wasn't around at the time of Moses and Jesus. Moses was Jewish and Jesus was a radical reformist, a cultist of Judaism. Islam is derived from Judaism so it could be true to an extent.
But I am not religious and not a historian. I guess only your god knows.
HimmiJoe 1 year ago
janogerman01/ I give answer just go to Jews and ask him to read songs of song chapter 5:16 in Hebrew bible
then come back if mohamed is not there
robert7203 1 year ago
May Allah grant Sheikh Ahmed Deedat Jannatul Firdaus and forgive him his sins :) Ameen
nidaelahi 1 year ago 2
We love you AHMED DEEDAT!!!!!!
s48y 1 year ago
Masha Allah. That was a great Explanation!
richie7rich7 1 year ago
all Prophets are Muslim...but...before Muhammad S.A.W. borned..the word of Islam doesn't exist yet..bcoz Islam was in Arabic...Arabic was from Al-Quran..think bout it..
EZkurakura 1 year ago
What a load of crap.
As long as nobody asks this jerk to PROVE what he says, he can get away with his lies.
MidnightHustler75 1 year ago
Islam is NOT submission to god, it is submission to an illiterate arab pedophile and his heretical teachings.
l337pwnage 2 years ago
FACEPALM.
Jesus was a rabbi, the last super was a pass over cedar. HE was Jewish.
Islam wasn't in existence about 632(?) AD. Does this guy mean that all our religions are the same in they we all worship god and love him, just in different ways, or is he just pulling stuff out of thin air?
RobMeyersPhotography 2 years ago
In Fact all true followers of all prophets, incl Jesus & Moses who believed in ONE GOD, Day of Judgment, Angles, all Prophets were MUSLIMS. All Prophets Preached ONE PATH OF ONE GOD ISLAM.
The term Christianity is an invention. The word JEW mean a person frm the tribe of JUDA, not a religion, Nasara mean Nazareths. 5th Gospel of Professor Fida Husnain also gives proof that true followers of Jesus called them self Muslims. (Also refer to verse 3:52). (A Nazareth Muslim, A French Muslim etc)
PurgingFalsehood 2 years ago
@PurgingFalsehood There are no Muslim prophets. There was only Jewish Prophets until the Son of God Jesus Christ came and fulfilled all prophecies. This ended the time of Prophets.
paulmarcelrene 7 months ago
My answer.
Islam offers direct relationship to God without any intermediaries. You can know God by praying to God directly. I ask for God directly to forgive my sins and shortcomings.
You sir offers that God in his "Fatherly" form is too great for us to pray directly to and that he must become "Flesh" for us to know him so that God can "LIVE in and with" us, so that our "origininal sin" could be wiped out by the blood of God or "Son of God".
Logically, Ill take the first offer =)
murphydonut 2 years ago 4
@murphydonut
islam does not offer anything but hate, liars and deceit, you don’t even know if ill-allah hears you when you pray you have no personal relationship with ill-allah, you don’t even know if you’ll even make to jennah, after spending GOD knows how long time in hell before ill-allah allows you out, only to be told sorry no 72 virgin for you, your 1 point short so well you stay forever, so keep your logic
hannahr77 1 year ago
@murphydonut
hmm I wish that you muslims would make up your mind, I have just read from a muslim that I need a mediator, so what is it plz, and we can also ask forgiveness for our sins and shortcomings direcly to YEHOVAH and we know withour a shadow of a doubt that HE hears us and that HE will also answer us, whereas in islam you don't know if this ill-allah hears you because he never answer does he? So how will you know if he hears?
hannahr77 1 year ago
@murphydonut
Wake up hero!! Muslims do not have a personal relationship with Allah. He is so transcendent and self willed no Muslim even knows his character, u cant have a relationship with someone u don’t know, u are taught to submit and obey thats it no questions asked...
criskros88 1 year ago
@murphydonut do you actually understand the punishment for breaking God's law? I doubt it, if you did you wouldn't be spouting this bile. The wages of sin is death, so a death HAD to occur for us to be free of God's law. Muhammed is warned about in the bible: Paul said to the Corinthians in his second letter: 'For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.' ~ 2 Corinthians 11:13-14
lizziedavidson1987 1 year ago
@murphydonut Except it is not a real offer from the One True God and His Son Jesus Christ. When shopping, the least price is not the usually the best bargain because the cheaper item breaks, fails, and then must be replaced with the good product, or in this case, the TRUE God.
paulmarcelrene 8 months ago
@paulmarcelrene Are we comparing religions with shopping.
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 8 months ago
@TryingToBeGoodMuslim Yes, because Islam is selling a false god from a false prophet. This is like buying a cheap knockoff gucci.
paulmarcelrene 7 months ago
@paulmarcelrene Muslims worship only God, the one and ONLY the creator of the universe. Can you explain how we are selling a false God?
TryingToBeGoodMuslim 7 months ago
@murphydonut God doesn't believe in man's flawed logic. And Islam teaches that allah, NOT the one true God of Abraham, of Jacob, of Moses, and Jesus. (Proof links available.) will forgive whoever on a whim. This is not the just and loving good He is.
paulmarcelrene 7 months ago
Religion defines what you believe and your values.......so it is important to know what religion you belong to...."ISLAM" is the true religion.
gobuddyboy 2 years ago 6
@gobuddyboy
in noway ís it the right religion that gets you to jennah it's the right name JESUS CHRIST, not religion period
hannahr77 1 year ago
@gobuddyboy No, it is not. he God of Abraham, of Jacob, of Moses, and of Jesus Christ the Son of God IS NOT the allah of Islam. The one true God and His Son Jesus Christ know allah whom God kicked out of heaven with a 1/3 of the hosts of heaven when he attempted to overthrow God and "become the most high". The allah of Islam is the great adversary, the self proclaimed great lier and deceiver (so says the qu'ran).
paulmarcelrene 8 months ago
@gobuddyboy NO, it is not.
paulmarcelrene 7 months ago
Third, My belief.
My belief is that I dont believe in religion. I believe in Truth. There are many false christians out there teaching an empty religous christianity. Jesus came to free us from all that. He came to forgive our sins. He came to saves us. I now not only believe in God-Jesus-, but I also KNOW Him. I LIVE in and with him. What does Islam offer me more than this? If someone can answer me that, then Ill become a muslim.
yaruchik 3 years ago
Jessewb 2 years ago
Jassewb, I don't know why you're so upset. I was just explaining what I (and other christians) believe. I think that what upsets you is that we have a special relationship with God; something that Islam is unable to accomplish. You don't understand what I mean because you're thoughts are base (physical) and not spiritual. If you really want to listen, then tell me and we'll talk.
If I was a pantheist I would have said that we are all in God(and are part of God). And that's no what I said.
yaruchik 2 years ago
@yaruchik
Don't use that me.
I was a catholic christian before being a muslim.
We muslims have a real relationship with God. A direct one.
We don't need priests for our repentance,
We communicate with God many more times than any christian does in a day.
You say you believe in truth?
You don't even know what is the original scriptures in the bible, or even the authors of the gospels, yet you believe in truth!?
You believe in mere guesswork and it doesn't even worry you in the least bit?
Jessewb 2 years ago 2
Hi again,
What name do you mean?
You think to know everything about me, yet I've only written a few words. First, I'm not a catholic (I regard catholicism as an empty religion). I don't need a priest either, Jesus is our high priest. And how do you know what I know if you don't even know me? I know what the original scriptures are, I read them every day. But do you know the original scriptures of Islam (the Qu'ran)--that is, before Uthman? Finally, what is a relationship with God to you?
yaruchik 2 years ago
@yaruchik
Yes the words before the compilation of Uthman was exactly the same as the Qur'an we have today.
The only things that were eliminated were not different Qur'ans but unauthentic parchments and skins, etc that were not checked at the time of Mohammed(pbuh).
And you know the original scriptures? YOU read them every day?
Why have you not handed these to the christian scholars and that have been searching for them for years. You must be the only person with these "original" scripures.
Jessewb 2 years ago
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yaruchik 2 years ago
hi,
1. If it is the same then why did Uthman ordered to burn all other manuscripts? Who says they were less authentic than what you have now? And not everything was checked by Mohammed. You can read an exemple of this in the Mishkat al-Masabih. Besides the teachings of Mohammad was sometimes memorized not written; this means that some information was lost (when some of them died), and second, there were some variations (memory is tricky) as even
yaruchik 2 years ago
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Mohammad forgot some verses (Sunan Abu Dawud, Vol. 3, p.1114). More over, you are proud to say that you only have one perfect Quran (which that in itself is a proof that is unreliability) but there is evidence by de codices written before Uthman by Abdullah ibn Mas`ud and Ubai ibn Ka`b the there were difference. Any way, you dont have to prove me anything; even if the Quran was the same it wouldnt change anything, because I dont base my claims on this, my real claims are on his teachings.
yaruchik 2 years ago
3. About relationship:
Hearing and obeying is not having a relationship. You can say to a Robot (or an animal) do this, do the other, and will do it. But youre not having a relationship with him(it). Second, you dont have to please somebody to have a relationship. Maybe your dad is not pleased with you, but that doesnt mean theres no relationship; your dad may still love you the same—and this is what God does.
yaruchik 2 years ago
A true relationship with God can only come through the parakletos (not the periklitos that you wrongly claim); which is his spirit.
My believe does not branch from catholinothing, I believe what the word says, and thats it, I dont follow any religion. And yes, catholicism has had a big impact on christianity, and some denominations still follow some aspects of catholicism—sadly. Now, youre assuming that I dont know anything about the...
yaruchik 2 years ago
...the religion of christianity (remember I dont believe in a religion) but you dont even know me; that sounds to me a bit arrogant. And just to remind you, mormons and Jehovas witnesses dont belive in Jesus-God, and Catholics believe in works(just like you) and Mary, which is not Biblical.
yaruchik 2 years ago
And just to clarify, Mormons and Jehovas witness are not Christian because they dont believe in Jesus the Mesiah. Farther, this are not the four divisions, this last two are just a minority. The three(not four) divisions are: Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants. And the last think you say is very funny (Im sorry, but it just is). You use the word pagan when in fact this word was invented by the christians to denote polytheism! And long before Islam appeared.
yaruchik 2 years ago
You know, I am a bit tired of hearing always this false accusations. First, Jesus was not other God, so this is not politheism. Second, Jesus is eternal, he was before the world was formed. Jesus came in the form of a man (he made himself lower than the angels for us), God did not have a son as we humans do. Of course, this would be paganism. But we dont believe in this.
yaruchik 2 years ago
Jesus is called Son of God because he became a man, and the relationship we humans have with God (if we accept him) is that of a Father and a son. So it is fitting to call Jesus the Son of God, because he became a man. But most importantly, Son of God is a mesianic term, which means He was the expected redeemer. This was not an unusual term for Jews.
So, dont get me wrong, but I dont think you know the Bible too much.
yaruchik 2 years ago
@yaruchik
Mormons and Jehovahs do believe in Jesus as the Messiah.
Do you even know what a messiah is.
And even Muslims believe in Jesus as the Messiah.
Why don't you actually study Jehovah and mormon doctrine.
You know when you talk about "pagan", most early christians were not trinitarian.
And even Jehovah witnesses today are not trinitarian.
Mormons believe God was a human at one point and become God and now governs this universe. I don't agree with it for reasons I can explain.
Jessewb 2 years ago
@yaruchik
You believe in A religion, just not organised religion, but still a religion nonetheless.
Actually catholics do not believe in works, they believe in confession of sins. More like you are a sin basket, and every so often you need to go to the priest to empty the load.
Jessewb 2 years ago
@yaruchik
I urge you to think for a second how many people knew how to right at the time, and how close parakletos and periklitos is.
And in the Qur'an being stated Ahmed which in greek is periklitos, Not to mention that Jesus never spoke Greek.
And just to add to that, the 1st new testament written in Arabic was nearly 900 years after Mohammed(pbuh).
Too close and too close to the mark to even be a wild guess. You do the math.
And John also used prophet and spirit interchangeably.
Jessewb 2 years ago
@yaruchik
If you want to make the one who created you happy, you obey.
And I never said Allah stopped loving me if I didn't obey.
However I make sure I do as good as I can. It's called "being grateful".
And if you don't think so, well then even a dog is better than a human, since even when a dog is just given crumbs he is grateful, however many humans even given everything we have, still won't obey.
Jessewb 2 years ago
@yaruchik
The memorisers of the Qur'an didn't memorise parts, they memorised the entire Qur'an off by heart. This is called being a Hafiz, and it was there was always a minimum of two people making sure it was as written.
Muslims always had the most care for authenticity, this is even verified in our method of collecting Hadith, which are more authentic than even the bible, even though collected years later.
Manuscripts that were burned were unnecessary because they weren't official.
Jessewb 2 years ago
@yaruchik
To exemplify what I mean.
I will use this scenario, because most people seem to always think it was some "contradicting versions".
Imagine you have 2 people listening, one writes it down, and it isn't checked by the person who dictated the speech.
The other has it checked.
The 1st listener might have commited a mistake which is natural, but the 2nd has the official speech exactly as dictated.
When in compilation.
(continued)
Jessewb 2 years ago
@yaruchik
I would take all verified writings, and there rest, to avoid confusion. I burn, because they are utterly useless.
Anyone who wants the document now makes a copy of the compiled version because it is 100% authentic.
Tell me what is wrong with that.
And every scholar knows that there isn't an issue with this. It's logical.
I don't know what the big thing is it with many christians. "Oh It was a 'revision' because of conflicting versions".
Nothing of the sorts. But oh well.
Jessewb 2 years ago
I'm sending you an email. Writing here is a pain in the neck.
yaruchik 2 years ago
@yaruchik
A relationship with God is simple. "Ammana Sadaqa". We hear and we obey.
That is what a person who submits to the will of God does.
And if you could not obey proper, ask for forgiveness. What matters is doing the very best permissible by your abilities.
A relationship with God is one where I am pleased with my Lord and my Lord is pleased with me.
Lastly, all other christians branch off from catholicism, and catholics are the christian majority.
Jessewb 2 years ago
@yaruchik
If the base of the tree is wrong, then so are the branches.
Hence I urge you to actually study christianity, and don't think I do not know it.
I have protestant friends, neighbours who are jehovah witnesses, my mother used to be a mormon and my father a catholic.
So I have got the sources of all 4 great divisions in christianity. All who say God begot a son is a pagan. From that moment forth you believe in more than one God..
God in the bible is solely "The Father" nothing more.
Jessewb 2 years ago
@Jessewb No, Christians do not need a priest for repentance, just Jesus Christ, the Son of the one true God.
paulmarcelrene 7 months ago
@paulmarcelrene Well catholics are just as much as christians as any other group, in fact the biggest group of christians world wide. Which christianity should I choose, the one that says jesus is only a prophet, the one that says he's triune with the Father and the holy ghost, the one that says he's only the literally begotten son of God, the one that says he's all three of those things. I just don't see anything that could ever convince me back to christianity.
Jessewb 7 months ago
@Jessewb
if we where in ill-allah universe we would be in hell and since we're not dead yet we're in no way shape or form in ill-allahs universe
hannahr77 1 year ago
@Jessewb Jesus, IS the Son of God, not a mere man.
paulmarcelrene 7 months ago
@paulmarcelrene I wish people knew how ridiculous that claim is. That what is supposed to be The Eternal, Self-Sufficient, Independent, require to have a SON, descent. I'm sorry, but an illogical God is no God at all. If you say, he's metaphorically the son of God, as creation of God, or as a good person, godly person, I'll agree. But as the literal son of God, it's a pure joke in the face of all logic and reasoning. Not to mention there is not proof of it. There are many sons of God biblically.
Jessewb 7 months ago
Second
For God religion as we see it is not important. What is important is the relationship we have with him. We dont believe in a religion, we believe in Truth. Of course it is silly- very silly- to ask Jesus what is his religion. God doesn't have a religion! "They are all following Paul" What absurdity. Please someone, tell this man to read the Bible. The tweleve apostles followed Jesus when Paul-as a Pharisee- was presecuting them!
yaruchik 3 years ago
Jesus'(pbuh) desciples were muslim also.
And yes he is right, Paul is the founder of christianities modern doctrines.
What you need to do is learn about christianity before arguing with scholars or even bothering other people with such nonsense.
I'm sorry, but when someone like you says the crap you just did without even the least bit of knowledge is upseting.
Jessewb 2 years ago
@Jessewb
Paul is not the founder of Christianity if so produce your proof, and also produce your proof abt the disciples being muslims thank you, all this sounds very strange coming from the mouth of an ex-catholic I must say
hannahr77 1 year ago
@hannahr77
Proof? 14 out of the 27 books of the new testament are written by Paul, that's more than proof enough.
And anyone who submits his will to God is a muslim, are you telling me that the desciples of Jesus(pbuh) did not submit to God?
Jessewb 1 year ago
@Jessewb
really so because I write books does it mean that I am a founder of a religion, Paul where not a Christian he where in fact a Jew so where all the disciples of JESUSno 1 in the Bible where a muslim, yes the disciples did submit to the GOD of ISRAEL and the FATHER of JESUS, they also knew that JESUS where the SON OF GOD, which muhammad came 700 yr later and denied
hannahr77 1 year ago