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smokers should smoke in airtight room and feel what nonsmokers really feel. If smokers cannot recycle the contaminated air they should be heftily fined.
My middle finger is on display, in an upright fashion!! Exclusively for Mayor Michael Bloomberg!!! People should be able to enjoy their choices, instead of state intrusion!!!
Notice how smokers have poor stress coping mechanisms? notice they cannot handle stress? notice they are a self centred bunch who are cold hearted mean spirited and are full of hatred and intolerance towards other people? They are so proud of themselves and so arrogant. ..pity on smokers..they have serious personal problems
woah, i think you are making some strong general statements. Not all, and i would argue most are not as you have described.
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Why i would argue that many of the smokers that the general non-smoking public interacts with are the very marginalized and threaten smokers who feel they must act so against the general public out of fear of oppression and social outcast.
I say ban smoking. If smokers develop a way to prevent others from inhaling their carcinogenic air then let them introduce it. Until then they should not be allowed to enjoy the same privileges as drinkers. However, if someone decides to drink heavily (and possibly die!) it will not affect me directly. Smoking, on the other hand will. I do not smoke or drink and thus do not rely on substances such as these that are psychoactive to get through the day.
52 million smokers (plus me) in the U.S keep fighting for our rights. We are not children & will not take it anymore from the antis. God bless this place!
@pheeel17 Sub-human? What syfy movie are you watching or what alien planet are you from?
Here on earth there are 52 million smokers alone in the U.S the other half are just brainwashed chicken shits afraid of dying...But you will! Of something?
Bloomberg is not a free market capitalist.(rich socialist that manipulates stock market with inside information) He's cut from the same cloth of Jewish businessmen during WW2 that sold Hitler war materials while helping the NAZI's roundup out their fellow Jews.
@googlesbitch Lemme guess: you have german blood? Just own up and accept it: human beings are all animals that walk on their hind legs. The actions of most Europeans during WWII proves it. Get a fuggin grip, kid.
And while you are at it, why don't you go look up 'blaming the victim' on Wikipedia, you simpleton.
@ilikemitchhedberg I am not white and I there were many Jews that sold off their own kind for a reward. One example is George Soros, a WW2 Hungarian Jew who helped nazi's capture fleeing rich Jews.(he was rewarded with a percentage of their gold) Later in life when he was addressed this, his response was "they were going to die so I might as well take their money". Wall street is full of self serving crooks like Bloomberg that are doing this today and power is what they are after.
Even though I quit smoking I totally support the right of people to decide their own fate and future. I support smokers and I would love to have a business like the owner featured in this piece.
The lady is right. If everyone truly wants the ban, let's repeal the fucking law and see how true that actually is: hoe many or few people will patronize bars that allow smoking.
If you sit home waiting your turn you deserve to have your gun taken from your cold dead hands.
The Founders didn’t wait for the Brits to knock down their doors. They gathered at the green and stood up like men and they killed government employees all the way back to Boston.
What will you do when it’s time to hunt NWO hacks, republicrats and commies(“Liberals” and ‘progressives’)?
Don't understand? Follow my links. Read the quotes page first. Then read my column ‘Prepping for Slavery’
It is an insidious encroachment. People want the government to pay for health care. But the instant they do that, they have a moral justification for legislating against any behavior that could entail health care costs. This of course does not just stop at smoking. Expect legislators for instance to want to enact laws that will fine you if you get insufficient exercise. There is not much difference between 'Nanny state' and 'Big Brother'.
@Wormtail81 Grandfather CLAUSE. its one of the few, if only bar in NYC that allows smoking inside. Grandfather Clause means as long as your establishment was doing a activity that was legal before the law change that establishment could continue to do what used to be legal. but isn't legal now.
I agree that on private property the owners should be able to set the rules. But in public parks and beaches a smoking ban is justified.
Smokers have no right to foul the air on a public beach that I'm trying to enjoy. Just like I have no right to run up and kick sand into their eyes because I find it funny.
@insdel2004 DO you have the right to drive to the park or beach? What about the people near the parking lot, you shouldn't have that right. You need to park a mile away and walk over there so you don't stink up the air near the park and beaches.
@sockmess I don't have the right to drive ON the beach, nor; do I have a right to drive THROUGH the park. So your little comparison breaks down doesn't it?
@insdel2004 Really cause many beaches you can ride a 4x4 on them. If this is legal or not I'm not sure.
As for driving through parks. You don't live in NYC. Cause if you did you would know that there is a road right the in the middle of the most famous park: Central Park where you can drive thru. And containment in the air move very easily meaning you would need a decent size buffer zone. That means parking can no longer be adjacent to the park, so that people in the park can have clean air!
The reason they forced all companies to do it, is because if they just gave the companies a choice (which was always true) places that did not allow smoking could not compete in the open market.
I'm not a smoker but I love this video. People have spun this issue into smokers v. non-smokers when non-smokers should be standing with smokers here. If I don't want to smoke and the secondhand smoke really bothers me, I'll go to a business that chooses to remain smoke free. It's very simple.
I don't like smoking. It killed my grandfather way to early. But If a bar clearly label on the outside "smoking is permitted". I can choice to stay out of that bar. So I don't feel that is wrong. Also banning it in parks and beaches outright goes to far. There should at least being a smoking section at the parks and beaches.
@skeptictom818 If your banning smoking in parks then you have to ban driving in parks which would mean no more driving in Central Park. Of course that kind of logic is lost on the NYC mayor and legislative branch
@xadam2dudex Without those smokers NYC would have to raise taxes on something else to make their money. Everytime you see a smoker buy a pack or carton in NYC buy him a drink and thank him for paying more taxes to the city.
@xadam2dudex and yet you don't complain about car exhaust? Heres a simple test. go in a closed garage and have on cigarette burn in the closed room. Record your health instantly and 30 days later. Repeat the test but this time do it with a car running in a closed room for as long as the cigarette burned. If you live record your health instantly and 30 days later.
Smoking isn't that offensive. I don't know why it's being demonized. I don't smoke, and never will. If you eat healthy, it's not a major concern anyhow... the social circumstances that cause people to feel like they need to smoke... that's more of a concern to me. Not the chemical band-aid itself.
What a bunch of crap! It is a proven fact that second hand smoke kills 600,000 people a year. Reason TV is a bunch of propaganda, and boy its name is misleading. This video is even dumber than the one dumping on Bernie Sanders for wanting to keep American manufacturing jobs in the U.S.
@arfolc Um, and anti-smoking isn't propaganda? You gotta have somebody stand up for the "bad guys" like the oil companies, the poachers in Africa, the tobacco industry, logging companies, etc, etc.. It's the demand that keeps these things existing. Imagine if PETA became so powerful that all dairy and meat was banned by the government, how would you justify consuming those products? You wouldn't be able to do it on your own. I salute Reason Tv for putting their name on the line for me. cheers!
@AbjectConformity No, anti-smoking is not propaganda. I will repeat myself again: SECOND HAND SMOKE CAUSES 600,000 DEATHS A YEAR. The World Health Organization did a research project on that. Cigarettes are nothing short of little cancer sticks, and smoking should be banned altogether. Smoking is a public safety hazard. Public is the key word there.
@arfolc sounds to me like you got bought in by anti-smoking hype. It's okay, don't feel bad... there's been mistakes like it in the past... crusades, inquisition, witch-burning... you're in good company ;)
@arfolc hahaha, yeah, "Twas the devil that sewed the seed!" is real scientific. Anti-smoking propaganda can be found as far back as the 1500's. Tobacco itself was being used in 400BCE. Actually, when the protests against "smoking" began in Europe by the clergy, science was still called "natural philosophy". There might be "real science" involved in modern research, but don't be stupid and say that anti-smoking rhetoric is pure fact. hahaha, funny.
@arfolc Yes, funny... we're all in stitches over my post. Point is, whether "scientific" or "the word of god", it's just rationalization for something that is already despised. Reminds me of the nazis that claim they have science to justify their racial superiority. I'm sorry, the anti smoking hype honestly doesn't pass real scientific vigor and scrutiny. ..just another tool to aide the cause. As a man of reason, I actually really hate to see science abused for these political motivations.
@AbjectConformity You need to do your homework. Tobacco companies are required by law to post the surgeon general's warning. Talking to you is no different than clapping with one hand.
@arfolc it sounds like you care about your health, which is good.. I'm just cautious of the imaginary empathy people seem to have. I'm intellectually honest enough to admit that I really don't care much about other people, and I've long since accepted the reality that being human in these times means incurring a plethora of risks that those people create regardless if I contribute or not. I really just can't see a point in being a dick about people's habits. don't fuck, you'll get aids! yeah, ok
@arfolc it sounds like you care about your health, which is good.. I'm just cautious of the imaginary empathy people seem to have. I'm intellectually honest enough to admit that I really don't care much about other people, and I've long since accepted the reality that being human in these times means incurring a plethora of risks that those people create regardless if I contribute or not. I really just can't see a point in being a dick about people's habits. don't fuk, you'll get aids! yeah, ok
I pack of Marlboros cost around 12 bucks a pack in New York. Do those dipshit socialist Democrats actually think that taxing the hell of ciggs will produce any revenue to fund their bankrupt, overspent and overpopulated state?
Or help whats left of their economy by forcing people to go to the back market to get their ciggs instead of actual retail outlets that pay taxes.
Um, government's job is strictly to preserve the rights of the people. Read the Declaration of Independence. Small chance that any of the tyrants currently running NYC will allow free choice when it comes to smoking. After all, the mayor ranted on about trans fats in cooking as well as people using too much salt in their food. I call him Salty Bloomberg.
@SrgGoofy Waaaay not true man.. I have the freedom to fuck my girlfriend... and the freedom from procreation if we use our birth control methods appropriately.
Shouldn't the very few people that actually raise hell about cigarette smoke worry about petitioning the sewing circle and square community to be smoke-free? Oh wait, they already did... now it just seems appropriate to meddle in the affairs of everyone else. .. for their own good. Reminds me of the kid brother who whines about drugs and alcohol even though nobody wanted him at the party to begin with. DUDE!!! WTF????
God, please wake me up when the crusade is over. *cracks a beer, lights a smoke, and falls asleep* Meanwhile I will dream of an America that isn't riddled with stupidity and bullshit.
@walkingisboring P.S. I don't smoke and I hate coming back from bars smelling like I just got gangbanged by some ashtrays. I fully support groups that put pressure on bar/club owners to go smoke free. But, I'm never going to support the government strong-arming them into submission.
What's astonishing about this whole thing is the way smokers lie down and get run over on this issue.....reminds of the german population during the rise of the third reich.
A measure in California wanted to make it illegal to smoke on your own outside patio. You can't smoke at interstate rest areas in Iowa.
Sorry, but I just don't see the harm in allowing club owners to decide this matter for themselves. The predjudice and rage against those of us using a legal product HAS to be alarming.
What is legal? The prejudice and rage against those using equally harmless or harmful products should be alarming to you. I agree that business owners should be allowed to decide. If you don't want to go to a nonsmoking or smoking establishment that is your choice, but forcing businesses to be nonsmoking is a joke.
BTW, I have never smoked nor do I like the smell.
I'm with you sir, except that I do smoke. However, even as smokers, we preferred (before the ban) restaurants that were smoke-free, and we excercised that choice.
All I'm saying, is that little by little, choices are being removed from us. What's next? Lemonade stands?
I will bet you preferred bars that did not ban. Government's job is to make sure that people have the information to make informed choices, not protect them against the worst possible outcome. I know tobacco is bad, but so is more than a little bit of alcohol. That is MY choice as long as I do not endanger others. I should be able to smoke at a smoker's bar, get hammered and take a taxi home.
Personally I don't smoke, but bans like this only embolden those that want the Nanny State to take over this country. Whats next? Automobiles are only allowed to use fossil fuels on Highways, all innercity traffic must be by public transportation and then by use of electrically driven means only? I'm am certain that there are those that want to do something similar.
I'm so torn on this one. I hate the smell on my clothes after being in a smoke-filled room and my eyes burn/lungs choke up as well. You cannot really make the argument that it doesn't harm others, either. But, businesses should be allowed to do what they want with their own establishment. I just worry that nearly all business would allow smoking because it ups profits. Would some stay non-smoking to keep non-smoking customers happy? I'd hope so..
@agrv8ion Yes, The International House of Pancakes. There were also bars and night clubs in Baltimore that had more than one story (federal hill, canton)... they always dedicated one of the rooms to no-smoking and they were always empty for some reason. *shrugs* IF the place you're going to is cool enough, and you're with the right chick/dude, anticipating coitus at the end of the night...... The smoke is worth it. Hate to say it, but being anti-smoking still ain't cool after all these years.
@AbjectConformity Speaking of anticipating coitus, my first kiss was with a smoker and that pretty much killed it. Some girls like it. I'm probably just the uncool type..
They have NO right to coerce someone into an acceptable behavior.. But once again America, you have dropped the ball.. Let's just bitch on youtube.. It is ridiculous.. Get OFF the couch. vote for libertarians and be done with it so we can get to repealing this bs..
@walkingisboring Freedom, liberty, and diversity are not always beautiful and appealing, but it's the experiment that the U.S.A. is running, and if it turns out that control and order are better ways to go, hey, there you go, but I think most people that tune into ReasonTV (me included) have put their chips on the table for liberty.
@walkingisboring Ok sooo! Its Dangerous to Drive a car with music on. We should ban that too. Oh and its dangerous to Drive with passengers in their as well. Ban that, Oh and talking an a Cell phone got to stop that ban it. And well Cell Phones have been linked to cancer get rid of them. Alcohol kills a lot of folks lets ban that to. Fast food tasty but unhealthy that's got to go. Now lets look at your home. Well the paint on your wall can effect your mood thats got to go.Seeing my point yet?
Ick. Although I would agree the public places like parks and beaches ban is a bit overreaching and unenforceable, the fact that smoking bans in bars, restaurants, and other establishments is truly beneficial to society. I, as a nonsmoker, do not consent to my bodily harm via cigarette smoke, and that is perfectly legal given my body is the most basic property I have. Therefore I can sue an establishment for vandalizing my property [body].
"Therefore I can sue an establishment for vandalizing my property [body]." Are you forced to be in that establishment... no. Therefore, by placing yourself in a environment with smokers , YOU MAKE THAT CHOICE. And thus there is no violation.
See how simple that is, don't like establishment that allow smoking? ... no worries don't visit them. Do or don't care go ahead and visit them.
@jetrpg22 Spare me the "this is what freedom is" speech... I've heard it way too many times, and it is exactly why this nation is full of rude, inconsiderate people. "We don't recognize your relationship..." they say to gay couples and call it freedom, "We will blow smoke in your face whether you like it or not..." they say to non smokers. This is precisely the reason I want to move to Canada at this point. America is a lie. Screw having the freedom to breathe clean air indoors.
@TigerghostPictures Rude inconsiderate people? Kind of like the people who advocate banning something even they're in no way forced to participate in that thing. I'm sure you can relate...
@crazypants88 No... Not particularly. I can't relate to that. I'm a big marijuana legalization advocate, big gay marriage advocate, big no federal income tax guy... I don't have a problem with smokers as long as they are outside. Smoking is a choice, breathing is not.
@TigerghostPictures True smoking is a choice, so is being close to a smoker while he's smoking. If you have problem with breathing second smoke you can always simply walk away. If you're proposing a tobacco ban or restrictions then you're absolutely no better than the advocates of the illegalization of marijuana.
@TigerghostPictures you can CHOOSE to breathe air in an establishment that doesn't allow cigarettes. Smokers have that choice taken from them with these horseshit blanket smoking bans.
@VegasBilgeRat You are implying that smokers have freedom, which they do not. In a sense, they sold out their freedom the minute they picked up a cigarette in the first place. They are in a sense, slaves to Marlboro and whatever brands they purchase. So, a smoking ban gives them more freedom to quit. =p
@TigerghostPictures That's just plain asinine.Smokers chose to pickup the first pack, and they can choose to quit if they want to, if they think it's in their best interest. Whether they cosse to do so or not is neither your business, nor mine, nor Bloomberg's.
@sadlsore My personal health is of great concern to me. And, studies have proven time and time again that smoking bans do not hinder business. Smoking bans have been reviewed in the courts and never repealed in all their entirety, they work in a majority of nations. I have no problem with bars building smoking rooms, or building beer gardens or patios for customers. I would say that smoking disturbs the public tranquility. I have no problem with it, as long as it ain't in my face.
@TigerghostPictures You are a liar. 2 bars in my area closed for that very reason and that is just a one mile radius. You should really do just a little bit of research for yourself before you post such garbage my Nazi friend.
@doggy8kitty Haha. Why do conservatives have such a fascination at comparing liberals to Nazis? It's quite humorous. Fascism is on the other end of the political system... You see socialism on both ends, right and left. The Nazi's were on the "right" end, not the left. Smoking bans do not harm businesses in the long-term [short-term maybe], but long-term trends they see more business as more people become complacent. Smokers only make up 20% of population; non-smokers are a big market.
@doggy8kitty Haha. Why do conservatives have such a fascination at comparing liberals to Nazis? It's quite humorous. Fascism is on the other end of the political system... You see socialism on both ends, right and left. The Nazi's were on the "right" end, not the left. Smoking bans do not harm businesses in the long-term [short-term maybe], but long-term trends they see more business as more people become complacent. Smokers only make up 20 percent of thepopulation; non-smokers are a big market.
@TigerghostPictures "NAZI" means National SOCIALIST. Mussolini and Hitler were both men of the Left, it's just that their leftism was based on nationalist working class, rather than international working class. The opposite take away the nationist/internationalist distinction and fascists and so-called liberals (ever-less watered down socialists), are on the same end of the spectrum. You're both totalitarians.
@TigerghostPictures I can tell by reading your posts you indulge in articles and blogs and have little to no interest understanding the small business world. Academic thinking with no practical experience is the reason the country is near collapse and this blanket ban is just another step towards losing more freedom. You may laugh now but wait until they come for your menu, your soap, your transportation but then again maybe you are so dull you need conformity.
@TigerghostPictures You'll have to ask a conservative about the liberal to Nazi comparison. Why does the progressive lower half always assume it's a conservative that doesn't agree with them? Do you think the wave to disgust and hatred contains only conservatives? Much like your theory about the benefits of oppression this too is another misguided path you follow.
@TigerghostPictures I don't buy that, and even if it is true, it doesn't matter whether smoking hinders business or not; the issue is whether the owner, the one taking the risk with one's own capital and hard work, should have the right to decide (the freedom to choose) to allow(or not) smoking and drinking in his own bar, rather than the government taking the choice of how to best serve the demand of the market wrt bar patrons. I believe in the moral superiority of liberty.
@sadlsore No you let economics and the will of an oftentimes uneducated, and biased electorate to be the judge of morality. What is good for business is good for everybody... If that were the case, then we'd have no health and safety standards [lead paint, fracking, ect...]. There would be no purpose for government entirely. Money is a terrible judge for morality; it gives way to corruption, tainted research. I'm with you on less regulation, but public safety is a proper role of government.
@TigerghostPictures "No you let economics and the will of an oftentimes uneducated, and biased electorate to be the judge of morality."
Are you saying that what is moral should only be determined by those with a sufficient degree of education? And, based on your posts, YOU are extremely biased.
"...public safety is a proper role of government."
How much, though? What if they say that your habits are unsafe to the public? Public safety is the proper role of the public, not the government.
@skcushcodrum This is ReasonTV... Just let "reason" be the moral judge. Reason is based on evidence, support, necessity. If the government took proper regulation into air safety during shows, perhaps that accident in Reno the other day could have been made less tragic. =/ It is 'reasonable' to have a level of safety regulations for employees and consumers in order to make sure that corporations treat us with respect and humanity.
Hate to admit it, but Vegas...is right. I lost a significant portion of my freedom nearly 50 years ago. I didn't know that I would be an, apparently incurable, addict. Nevertheless, I trust freedom more than "government." Thanks to all the responders.
Hate to admit it, but Vegas...is right. I lost a significant portion of my freedom nearly 50 years ago. I didn't know that I would be an, apparently incurable, addict. Nevertheless, I trust freedom more than "government." Thanks to all the responders.
@VegasBilgeRat No. I do not smoke anything. It is harmful to the most basic of personal property I own, which is my body. I am a strong advocate for the legalization of marijuana in private residences and for smoking tobacco products outdoors, but as for indoor establishments that are not residencies, smoking anything should be banned. See, I support your right to smoke... just not in my face. You want to smoke or do any kind of drugs? Do it on your own time in your own home, but leave me out.
@TigerghostPictures yes, but you are forcing the owner of the bar or restraunt to not allow smoking on his or her own property. If you dont like smoking you can go to a restraunt where the owner does not allow smoking. Very simple, if more people prefer to go to a place with no smoking then that will become the norm across the establishment, if not, than most bars will allow smoking.
@TigerghostPictures I can't respect your opinion, at all. The kind of person who says something so amazingly wacky as "a smoking ban gives them more freedom to quit" doesn't deserve any respect.
If you were joking, then I'll withdraw my criticism.
@jetrpg22 Don't patronize me. You don't support freedom. You don't even know what the term means. I've seen the debates, people that think like you want to kill off the uninsured, and boo at soldiers. You think you're gonna win in 2012 with that uncompassionate rhetoric, disrespect for our military, anarcho-capitalistic statements? If that happens, I will fully support a coup because this nation would no longer be one "for the people." Who said kill or imprison smokers? They can still smoke.
Umm, i have to edit something not in your restaurant in a restaurant.
You of course have the right to kick others out of your property. People are not free to do as they like in/on your property. So say an lazee-faire restaurant
I HATE cigarettes!!! And I think smokers are stupid idiots. But I think it's totally Un-American to have laws banning smoking in businesses. If people want to go to a bar where they can smoke they should be able to. I'm glad I can go to a smoke-free bar. . . but I don't need everybody in the world to do as I do. In fact, I think it's Fascist!
The Bill of Rights, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were all written and signed in a cloud of tobacco smoke. $11.75 a pack? My God! I could make a fortune selling cigarettes on the black market.
@rubbersole79 it's coming or it's here. They could go a bit harder and faster with cigarettes because of the whole second hand smoke thing, that became their excuse to eviscerate everything smoking related. Soft drinks, alcohol etc. are a bit harder sell without the whole second hand angle to work, but they're getting there.
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timemachine05 1 week ago
smoking is health terminator
zipvuvcof 1 month ago
thieves can take away your money but smokers take away years off your life.
zipvuvcof 1 month ago
smokers should smoke in airtight room and feel what nonsmokers really feel. If smokers cannot recycle the contaminated air they should be heftily fined.
zipvuvcof 1 month ago
Smokers always know someone who smoked 80 a day (from the age of 10) and lived to be 100 years old!...and Doctors are always wronge!
LokiV 1 month ago
My middle finger is on display, in an upright fashion!! Exclusively for Mayor Michael Bloomberg!!! People should be able to enjoy their choices, instead of state intrusion!!!
punkrockpub 2 months ago
Notice how smokers have poor stress coping mechanisms? notice they cannot handle stress? notice they are a self centred bunch who are cold hearted mean spirited and are full of hatred and intolerance towards other people? They are so proud of themselves and so arrogant. ..pity on smokers..they have serious personal problems
csnu5 3 months ago
@csnu5
woah, i think you are making some strong general statements. Not all, and i would argue most are not as you have described.
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Why i would argue that many of the smokers that the general non-smoking public interacts with are the very marginalized and threaten smokers who feel they must act so against the general public out of fear of oppression and social outcast.
BellTollsForThee 2 months ago
@csnu5
have you looked in a mirror recently? because you're coming off as a hateful, intolerant cunt yourself.
carnut666 2 weeks ago
Smokers suck butts!!
SuperEnterprise01 3 months ago
Is it possible to obtain a "smoking license/permit" from the city or state, if one's planning on opening a bar in NYC????
punkrockpub 3 months ago
Your freedom to smoke is killing me. Your freedom to smoke costs me tax dollars to hospitalize you too.
supersupersocco 4 months ago
I say ban smoking. If smokers develop a way to prevent others from inhaling their carcinogenic air then let them introduce it. Until then they should not be allowed to enjoy the same privileges as drinkers. However, if someone decides to drink heavily (and possibly die!) it will not affect me directly. Smoking, on the other hand will. I do not smoke or drink and thus do not rely on substances such as these that are psychoactive to get through the day.
awacs52 4 months ago
52 million smokers (plus me) in the U.S keep fighting for our rights. We are not children & will not take it anymore from the antis. God bless this place!
Godzie1 4 months ago
@Godzie1 we all know smokers are sub-human, and thus have no rights under the Constitution. p.s. try to kick the habit, it's bad for your health
pheeel17 3 months ago
@pheeel17 Sub-human? What syfy movie are you watching or what alien planet are you from?
Here on earth there are 52 million smokers alone in the U.S the other half are just brainwashed chicken shits afraid of dying...But you will! Of something?
Godzie1 3 months ago
@Godzie1 We can do without the smokers, and we have you outnumbered. By majority opinion, you guys do not count as human and you have no rights
pheeel17 3 months ago
@pheeel17 You make me laugh! Now tell me another fictional story...This time tell me about the little green people & pink elephants.
You better start smoking cause you sound emotionally stressed out! Unless you been drinking & are drunk? That's more logical!
Godzie1 3 months ago
@pheeel17 Godzie1 = PEDO
pheeel17 3 months ago
I'm not a smoker but I say way to stick up and tell the mayor to shove it!! Let's have some more free market and less gov't interference.
lugerstonecock 5 months ago
Bloomberg is not a free market capitalist.(rich socialist that manipulates stock market with inside information) He's cut from the same cloth of Jewish businessmen during WW2 that sold Hitler war materials while helping the NAZI's roundup out their fellow Jews.
googlesbitch 5 months ago
@googlesbitch Lemme guess: you have german blood? Just own up and accept it: human beings are all animals that walk on their hind legs. The actions of most Europeans during WWII proves it. Get a fuggin grip, kid.
And while you are at it, why don't you go look up 'blaming the victim' on Wikipedia, you simpleton.
ilikemitchhedberg 5 months ago
@ilikemitchhedberg I am not white and I there were many Jews that sold off their own kind for a reward. One example is George Soros, a WW2 Hungarian Jew who helped nazi's capture fleeing rich Jews.(he was rewarded with a percentage of their gold) Later in life when he was addressed this, his response was "they were going to die so I might as well take their money". Wall street is full of self serving crooks like Bloomberg that are doing this today and power is what they are after.
googlesbitch 5 months ago
I wonder how many of these smokers voted for Democrats?
yakyakyak69 5 months ago
$11 for a pack of smokes?!? That's crack prices lol.
JeffTheDude777 5 months ago
Even though I quit smoking I totally support the right of people to decide their own fate and future. I support smokers and I would love to have a business like the owner featured in this piece.
sharpshepherd 5 months ago 4
The lady is right. If everyone truly wants the ban, let's repeal the fucking law and see how true that actually is: hoe many or few people will patronize bars that allow smoking.
TheLegalImmigrant05 5 months ago 5
Buck Floomberg
TheLegalImmigrant05 5 months ago
crazy
STAB1L 5 months ago
Fuck Bloomberg.
ustfu 5 months ago
"allow businesses to prioritize according to consumer demand." That should be a no-brainer, but unfortunately it is not.
UTubekookdetector 5 months ago
I wonder how many smokers want Obama care?
MrWatchdawg77 5 months ago
If you sit home waiting your turn you deserve to have your gun taken from your cold dead hands.
The Founders didn’t wait for the Brits to knock down their doors. They gathered at the green and stood up like men and they killed government employees all the way back to Boston.
What will you do when it’s time to hunt NWO hacks, republicrats and commies(“Liberals” and ‘progressives’)?
Don't understand? Follow my links. Read the quotes page first. Then read my column ‘Prepping for Slavery’
waypasthadenough 5 months ago
@waypasthadenough the word batshit comes to mind
teedzy1 5 months ago
@waypasthadenough the word batshit comes to mind
teedzy1 5 months ago
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@waypasthadenough the word batshit comes to mind
teedzy1 5 months ago
It is an insidious encroachment. People want the government to pay for health care. But the instant they do that, they have a moral justification for legislating against any behavior that could entail health care costs. This of course does not just stop at smoking. Expect legislators for instance to want to enact laws that will fine you if you get insufficient exercise. There is not much difference between 'Nanny state' and 'Big Brother'.
Panpiper 5 months ago
The video did not really understand what made this establishment's legal status so special. Bad job, guys. Sorry.
Wormtail81 5 months ago 2
@Wormtail81 Grandfather CLAUSE. its one of the few, if only bar in NYC that allows smoking inside. Grandfather Clause means as long as your establishment was doing a activity that was legal before the law change that establishment could continue to do what used to be legal. but isn't legal now.
sockmess 5 months ago
I agree that on private property the owners should be able to set the rules. But in public parks and beaches a smoking ban is justified.
Smokers have no right to foul the air on a public beach that I'm trying to enjoy. Just like I have no right to run up and kick sand into their eyes because I find it funny.
insdel2004 5 months ago
@insdel2004 DO you have the right to drive to the park or beach? What about the people near the parking lot, you shouldn't have that right. You need to park a mile away and walk over there so you don't stink up the air near the park and beaches.
sockmess 5 months ago
@sockmess I don't have the right to drive ON the beach, nor; do I have a right to drive THROUGH the park. So your little comparison breaks down doesn't it?
insdel2004 5 months ago
@insdel2004 Really cause many beaches you can ride a 4x4 on them. If this is legal or not I'm not sure.
As for driving through parks. You don't live in NYC. Cause if you did you would know that there is a road right the in the middle of the most famous park: Central Park where you can drive thru. And containment in the air move very easily meaning you would need a decent size buffer zone. That means parking can no longer be adjacent to the park, so that people in the park can have clean air!
sockmess 5 months ago
My comment has nothing to do with smoking. That has been covered adequately by all these comments.
I just want to say, as a videographer, to whoever posted this video, GET YOUR ASPECT RATIO RIGHT !
You have taken a 16:9 video and stretched it to 2.35:1 widescreen, making everyone look fatter than normal.
Please check you aspect ratio when uploading video to YouTube.
Happy smoking everyone !
lenvine 5 months ago 3
@lenvine Oh man, your right. They do it all the time. It makes Americans look REALLY fat.
XCritonX 5 months ago
Get it right Reason! Bloomberg made his millions in a free-er market, NOT a free-market. Subtle, but big difference.
mattamiller 5 months ago
Choice is bad. Haven't you heard?
Timasion 5 months ago
The reason they forced all companies to do it, is because if they just gave the companies a choice (which was always true) places that did not allow smoking could not compete in the open market.
creamsykle 5 months ago
jesus christ i cannot believe that it has really gotten that bad in NYC. how is there not more public backlash?
johncrazy8s 5 months ago
I'm not a smoker but I love this video. People have spun this issue into smokers v. non-smokers when non-smokers should be standing with smokers here. If I don't want to smoke and the secondhand smoke really bothers me, I'll go to a business that chooses to remain smoke free. It's very simple.
Cheeseburgers and soda are next!
AtibbsSPARTAN 5 months ago 2
What a fascist, immoral piece of shit Michael Bloomberg is. May he burn in hell.
LimeZYX 5 months ago 2
@LimeZYX
May Michael Bloomberg rot in the crack Satan's asshole for eternity, amen.
pf91rodman 5 months ago
I don't like smoking. It killed my grandfather way to early. But If a bar clearly label on the outside "smoking is permitted". I can choice to stay out of that bar. So I don't feel that is wrong. Also banning it in parks and beaches outright goes to far. There should at least being a smoking section at the parks and beaches.
skeptictom818 5 months ago
@skeptictom818 If your banning smoking in parks then you have to ban driving in parks which would mean no more driving in Central Park. Of course that kind of logic is lost on the NYC mayor and legislative branch
sockmess 5 months ago
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Viva La Smokeasies!
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jjrakman 5 months ago
too many people won't give up there drug habit.. and how addicted are u if at those prices u still won't give it up.... sick
xadam2dudex 5 months ago
@xadam2dudex
Why do you care what others choose to do with their own lives? You don't like smoking, don't do it. Easy.
Evenflowist314 5 months ago
@xadam2dudex
What business of yours is it if someone won't give up their habit? None, whatsoever.
EuphrasieF 5 months ago
@xadam2dudex Without those smokers NYC would have to raise taxes on something else to make their money. Everytime you see a smoker buy a pack or carton in NYC buy him a drink and thank him for paying more taxes to the city.
sockmess 5 months ago 2
@sockmess but thank him for raising everyone's health insurance cost an pollution levels
xadam2dudex 5 months ago
@xadam2dudex and yet you don't complain about car exhaust? Heres a simple test. go in a closed garage and have on cigarette burn in the closed room. Record your health instantly and 30 days later. Repeat the test but this time do it with a car running in a closed room for as long as the cigarette burned. If you live record your health instantly and 30 days later.
sockmess 5 months ago
Smoking isn't that offensive. I don't know why it's being demonized. I don't smoke, and never will. If you eat healthy, it's not a major concern anyhow... the social circumstances that cause people to feel like they need to smoke... that's more of a concern to me. Not the chemical band-aid itself.
abyssquick 5 months ago
What a bunch of crap! It is a proven fact that second hand smoke kills 600,000 people a year. Reason TV is a bunch of propaganda, and boy its name is misleading. This video is even dumber than the one dumping on Bernie Sanders for wanting to keep American manufacturing jobs in the U.S.
arfolc 5 months ago
@arfolc Um, and anti-smoking isn't propaganda? You gotta have somebody stand up for the "bad guys" like the oil companies, the poachers in Africa, the tobacco industry, logging companies, etc, etc.. It's the demand that keeps these things existing. Imagine if PETA became so powerful that all dairy and meat was banned by the government, how would you justify consuming those products? You wouldn't be able to do it on your own. I salute Reason Tv for putting their name on the line for me. cheers!
AbjectConformity 5 months ago 12
@AbjectConformity No, anti-smoking is not propaganda. I will repeat myself again: SECOND HAND SMOKE CAUSES 600,000 DEATHS A YEAR. The World Health Organization did a research project on that. Cigarettes are nothing short of little cancer sticks, and smoking should be banned altogether. Smoking is a public safety hazard. Public is the key word there.
arfolc 5 months ago
@arfolc sounds to me like you got bought in by anti-smoking hype. It's okay, don't feel bad... there's been mistakes like it in the past... crusades, inquisition, witch-burning... you're in good company ;)
AbjectConformity 5 months ago
@AbjectConformity That's right, AbjectConformity. Science, reality and facts have an anti-smoking, liberal bias.
arfolc 5 months ago
@arfolc hahaha, yeah, "Twas the devil that sewed the seed!" is real scientific. Anti-smoking propaganda can be found as far back as the 1500's. Tobacco itself was being used in 400BCE. Actually, when the protests against "smoking" began in Europe by the clergy, science was still called "natural philosophy". There might be "real science" involved in modern research, but don't be stupid and say that anti-smoking rhetoric is pure fact. hahaha, funny.
AbjectConformity 5 months ago
@AbjectConformity Drawing on sources that are over 500 years old. Now that is funny.
arfolc 5 months ago
@arfolc Yes, funny... we're all in stitches over my post. Point is, whether "scientific" or "the word of god", it's just rationalization for something that is already despised. Reminds me of the nazis that claim they have science to justify their racial superiority. I'm sorry, the anti smoking hype honestly doesn't pass real scientific vigor and scrutiny. ..just another tool to aide the cause. As a man of reason, I actually really hate to see science abused for these political motivations.
AbjectConformity 5 months ago
@AbjectConformity You need to do your homework. Tobacco companies are required by law to post the surgeon general's warning. Talking to you is no different than clapping with one hand.
arfolc 5 months ago
@arfolc it sounds like you care about your health, which is good.. I'm just cautious of the imaginary empathy people seem to have. I'm intellectually honest enough to admit that I really don't care much about other people, and I've long since accepted the reality that being human in these times means incurring a plethora of risks that those people create regardless if I contribute or not. I really just can't see a point in being a dick about people's habits. don't fuck, you'll get aids! yeah, ok
AbjectConformity 5 months ago
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@arfolc it sounds like you care about your health, which is good.. I'm just cautious of the imaginary empathy people seem to have. I'm intellectually honest enough to admit that I really don't care much about other people, and I've long since accepted the reality that being human in these times means incurring a plethora of risks that those people create regardless if I contribute or not. I really just can't see a point in being a dick about people's habits. don't fuk, you'll get aids! yeah, ok
AbjectConformity 5 months ago
i missed why it is still legal
ChanneloftheRepublic 5 months ago
The Nazi's did it, the Democrats do it...wow what a shock. Nothing to see here, move along.
doggy8kitty 5 months ago
Bloomberg STINKS.
MagnusIan 5 months ago
i hate smoking but what i hate even more is when the government tells a private business what they can do on their property!
boristhepython 5 months ago 49
@boristhepython
I like the bans, fuck smokers they are disgusting.
refuckulate420 5 months ago
@refuckulate420 pussy.
JordanSeriously 5 months ago
I pack of Marlboros cost around 12 bucks a pack in New York. Do those dipshit socialist Democrats actually think that taxing the hell of ciggs will produce any revenue to fund their bankrupt, overspent and overpopulated state?
Or help whats left of their economy by forcing people to go to the back market to get their ciggs instead of actual retail outlets that pay taxes.
MrMrich69 5 months ago
Mayor Bloomberg...another Fascist, Liberal, Jew.
vince33x 5 months ago
@vince33x and you're another bigoted, low life asshole.
NYCSteveS 5 months ago
liberals and democrats, banning stuff just like the people they criticize
iamaliberal 5 months ago
Yes! Yes! Yes! This non-smoker thinks this is a *great* video!
Aeschylus 5 months ago
Um, government's job is strictly to preserve the rights of the people. Read the Declaration of Independence. Small chance that any of the tyrants currently running NYC will allow free choice when it comes to smoking. After all, the mayor ranted on about trans fats in cooking as well as people using too much salt in their food. I call him Salty Bloomberg.
crestonave 5 months ago
Which is more important, freedom FROM, or freedom TO, you can't have both.
SrgGoofy 5 months ago
@SrgGoofy Waaaay not true man.. I have the freedom to fuck my girlfriend... and the freedom from procreation if we use our birth control methods appropriately.
AbjectConformity 5 months ago
Shouldn't the very few people that actually raise hell about cigarette smoke worry about petitioning the sewing circle and square community to be smoke-free? Oh wait, they already did... now it just seems appropriate to meddle in the affairs of everyone else. .. for their own good. Reminds me of the kid brother who whines about drugs and alcohol even though nobody wanted him at the party to begin with. DUDE!!! WTF????
AbjectConformity 5 months ago
God, please wake me up when the crusade is over. *cracks a beer, lights a smoke, and falls asleep* Meanwhile I will dream of an America that isn't riddled with stupidity and bullshit.
AbjectConformity 5 months ago 3
@AbjectConformity I agree with you, and gave you thumbs up, but I can't help but notice that...uh...you just fell asleep with a lit cigarette. :-)
skcushcodrum 5 months ago
Choice? "Let the consumer decide?" (i.e: freedom) ...........Crazy!...Surely we can't have any of that!
luke55664 5 months ago
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@walkingisboring P.S. I don't smoke and I hate coming back from bars smelling like I just got gangbanged by some ashtrays. I fully support groups that put pressure on bar/club owners to go smoke free. But, I'm never going to support the government strong-arming them into submission.
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horatiohornblowerer 5 months ago
What's astonishing about this whole thing is the way smokers lie down and get run over on this issue.....reminds of the german population during the rise of the third reich.
A measure in California wanted to make it illegal to smoke on your own outside patio. You can't smoke at interstate rest areas in Iowa.
Sorry, but I just don't see the harm in allowing club owners to decide this matter for themselves. The predjudice and rage against those of us using a legal product HAS to be alarming.
rubbersole79 5 months ago 2
@rubbersole79
What is legal? The prejudice and rage against those using equally harmless or harmful products should be alarming to you. I agree that business owners should be allowed to decide. If you don't want to go to a nonsmoking or smoking establishment that is your choice, but forcing businesses to be nonsmoking is a joke.
BTW, I have never smoked nor do I like the smell.
666sigma 5 months ago
@666sigma
I'm with you sir, except that I do smoke. However, even as smokers, we preferred (before the ban) restaurants that were smoke-free, and we excercised that choice.
All I'm saying, is that little by little, choices are being removed from us. What's next? Lemonade stands?
rubbersole79 5 months ago
@rubbersole79
I will bet you preferred bars that did not ban. Government's job is to make sure that people have the information to make informed choices, not protect them against the worst possible outcome. I know tobacco is bad, but so is more than a little bit of alcohol. That is MY choice as long as I do not endanger others. I should be able to smoke at a smoker's bar, get hammered and take a taxi home.
666sigma 5 months ago 2
Who wants to get to the end of their life and die of nothing.
mangoswiss 5 months ago
For all of the comments that love this smoking ban, watch out your junk food could be next. GIVE ME BACK THE FREE MARKET!!!!
bohemianfoi 5 months ago
Personally I don't smoke, but bans like this only embolden those that want the Nanny State to take over this country. Whats next? Automobiles are only allowed to use fossil fuels on Highways, all innercity traffic must be by public transportation and then by use of electrically driven means only? I'm am certain that there are those that want to do something similar.
Leavon 5 months ago
such bullshit by reason tv! Smoking has to stop
henriquemirenda 5 months ago
@henriquemirenda Yeah! Screw freedom! We want the few making all the choices for the many! Someone please tell me what to eat for lunch today!
notJoeKing1776 5 months ago
@notJoeKing1776 Sorry, but due to obesity and associated health concerns, lunch is now illegal.
skcushcodrum 5 months ago
new warning tattooed on to every newborn, "life is hazardous to your health"
desirefirst 5 months ago 9
There used to be a smoking section in every restaurant and a pack of cigarettes cost about $2.00. But the prob with smoking is its so addictive.
tmmy773 5 months ago
Every thing government does is done at the point of a gun. - Harry Browne
furyofbongos 5 months ago
I'm so torn on this one. I hate the smell on my clothes after being in a smoke-filled room and my eyes burn/lungs choke up as well. You cannot really make the argument that it doesn't harm others, either. But, businesses should be allowed to do what they want with their own establishment. I just worry that nearly all business would allow smoking because it ups profits. Would some stay non-smoking to keep non-smoking customers happy? I'd hope so..
agrv8ion 5 months ago
@agrv8ion Yes, The International House of Pancakes. There were also bars and night clubs in Baltimore that had more than one story (federal hill, canton)... they always dedicated one of the rooms to no-smoking and they were always empty for some reason. *shrugs* IF the place you're going to is cool enough, and you're with the right chick/dude, anticipating coitus at the end of the night...... The smoke is worth it. Hate to say it, but being anti-smoking still ain't cool after all these years.
AbjectConformity 5 months ago
@AbjectConformity Speaking of anticipating coitus, my first kiss was with a smoker and that pretty much killed it. Some girls like it. I'm probably just the uncool type..
agrv8ion 5 months ago
@agrv8ion hey, it's better than being a vegan who won't kiss meat-eaters. Imagine the odds...
AbjectConformity 5 months ago
Before long, cars won't be able to smoke.
oilhammer04 5 months ago
Jesus fucking christ, NYC is something like the USSR only a bit worse in a way.
I was born in the USSR and this bullshit surrounding smoking blows me away.
Ron Paul 2012!
johammbass 5 months ago
They have NO right to coerce someone into an acceptable behavior.. But once again America, you have dropped the ball.. Let's just bitch on youtube.. It is ridiculous.. Get OFF the couch. vote for libertarians and be done with it so we can get to repealing this bs..
SuperGuitarman69 5 months ago
They are idiots for smoking, but they sure should have the right to be idiots.
waksibra 5 months ago
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@walkingisboring Cholesterol, Mobile phones, Salt, Cars, Guns, Alcohol, Power lines, and Saccharine also kill people. Should we ban those too?
horatiohornblowerer 5 months ago
@horatiohornblowerer Good point.
But Cigarettes serve no meaningful purpose in society whatsoever.
Food, guns, power lines, cars, mobile phones.... at least those things serve some purpose.
Can you really argue that the world would be a worse place if no one smoked?
walkingisboring 5 months ago
@walkingisboring Freedom, liberty, and diversity are not always beautiful and appealing, but it's the experiment that the U.S.A. is running, and if it turns out that control and order are better ways to go, hey, there you go, but I think most people that tune into ReasonTV (me included) have put their chips on the table for liberty.
horatiohornblowerer 5 months ago
@walkingisboring If they didn't serve a purpose people wouldn't be smoking them.
crazypants88 5 months ago
I don't have any problem with banning smoking.
It fucking kills people... Sorry, but It's obvious it should be stopped.
walkingisboring 5 months ago
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horatiohornblowerer 5 months ago
@walkingisboring Ok sooo! Its Dangerous to Drive a car with music on. We should ban that too. Oh and its dangerous to Drive with passengers in their as well. Ban that, Oh and talking an a Cell phone got to stop that ban it. And well Cell Phones have been linked to cancer get rid of them. Alcohol kills a lot of folks lets ban that to. Fast food tasty but unhealthy that's got to go. Now lets look at your home. Well the paint on your wall can effect your mood thats got to go.Seeing my point yet?
agamimnon423 5 months ago
@agamimnon423
I do see it... but honestly, I actually agree with some of your sarcastic arguments in your post.
Do people really need to drive cars?
Imagine how much cleaner the air would be if everyone just walked where they needed to go?
I could still the value of planes I suppose...
I don't really think the materialistic insanity of the modern world makes any sense.
walkingisboring 5 months ago
Ick. Although I would agree the public places like parks and beaches ban is a bit overreaching and unenforceable, the fact that smoking bans in bars, restaurants, and other establishments is truly beneficial to society. I, as a nonsmoker, do not consent to my bodily harm via cigarette smoke, and that is perfectly legal given my body is the most basic property I have. Therefore I can sue an establishment for vandalizing my property [body].
TigerghostPictures 5 months ago
@TigerghostPictures
"Therefore I can sue an establishment for vandalizing my property [body]." Are you forced to be in that establishment... no. Therefore, by placing yourself in a environment with smokers , YOU MAKE THAT CHOICE. And thus there is no violation.
See how simple that is, don't like establishment that allow smoking? ... no worries don't visit them. Do or don't care go ahead and visit them.
This concept is called freedom you should try it.
PS. I don't smoke, drink, do drugs, etc.
jetrpg22 5 months ago
@jetrpg22 Spare me the "this is what freedom is" speech... I've heard it way too many times, and it is exactly why this nation is full of rude, inconsiderate people. "We don't recognize your relationship..." they say to gay couples and call it freedom, "We will blow smoke in your face whether you like it or not..." they say to non smokers. This is precisely the reason I want to move to Canada at this point. America is a lie. Screw having the freedom to breathe clean air indoors.
TigerghostPictures 5 months ago
@TigerghostPictures Rude inconsiderate people? Kind of like the people who advocate banning something even they're in no way forced to participate in that thing. I'm sure you can relate...
crazypants88 5 months ago
@crazypants88 No... Not particularly. I can't relate to that. I'm a big marijuana legalization advocate, big gay marriage advocate, big no federal income tax guy... I don't have a problem with smokers as long as they are outside. Smoking is a choice, breathing is not.
TigerghostPictures 5 months ago
@TigerghostPictures True smoking is a choice, so is being close to a smoker while he's smoking. If you have problem with breathing second smoke you can always simply walk away. If you're proposing a tobacco ban or restrictions then you're absolutely no better than the advocates of the illegalization of marijuana.
crazypants88 5 months ago
@TigerghostPictures you can CHOOSE to breathe air in an establishment that doesn't allow cigarettes. Smokers have that choice taken from them with these horseshit blanket smoking bans.
VegasBilgeRat 5 months ago
@VegasBilgeRat You are implying that smokers have freedom, which they do not. In a sense, they sold out their freedom the minute they picked up a cigarette in the first place. They are in a sense, slaves to Marlboro and whatever brands they purchase. So, a smoking ban gives them more freedom to quit. =p
TigerghostPictures 5 months ago
@TigerghostPictures That's just plain asinine.Smokers chose to pickup the first pack, and they can choose to quit if they want to, if they think it's in their best interest. Whether they cosse to do so or not is neither your business, nor mine, nor Bloomberg's.
sadlsore 5 months ago
@sadlsore My personal health is of great concern to me. And, studies have proven time and time again that smoking bans do not hinder business. Smoking bans have been reviewed in the courts and never repealed in all their entirety, they work in a majority of nations. I have no problem with bars building smoking rooms, or building beer gardens or patios for customers. I would say that smoking disturbs the public tranquility. I have no problem with it, as long as it ain't in my face.
TigerghostPictures 5 months ago
@TigerghostPictures You are a liar. 2 bars in my area closed for that very reason and that is just a one mile radius. You should really do just a little bit of research for yourself before you post such garbage my Nazi friend.
doggy8kitty 5 months ago 2
@doggy8kitty Haha. Why do conservatives have such a fascination at comparing liberals to Nazis? It's quite humorous. Fascism is on the other end of the political system... You see socialism on both ends, right and left. The Nazi's were on the "right" end, not the left. Smoking bans do not harm businesses in the long-term [short-term maybe], but long-term trends they see more business as more people become complacent. Smokers only make up 20% of population; non-smokers are a big market.
TigerghostPictures 5 months ago
@doggy8kitty Haha. Why do conservatives have such a fascination at comparing liberals to Nazis? It's quite humorous. Fascism is on the other end of the political system... You see socialism on both ends, right and left. The Nazi's were on the "right" end, not the left. Smoking bans do not harm businesses in the long-term [short-term maybe], but long-term trends they see more business as more people become complacent. Smokers only make up 20 percent of thepopulation; non-smokers are a big market.
TigerghostPictures 5 months ago
@TigerghostPictures "NAZI" means National SOCIALIST. Mussolini and Hitler were both men of the Left, it's just that their leftism was based on nationalist working class, rather than international working class. The opposite take away the nationist/internationalist distinction and fascists and so-called liberals (ever-less watered down socialists), are on the same end of the spectrum. You're both totalitarians.
sadlsore 5 months ago
@TigerghostPictures I can tell by reading your posts you indulge in articles and blogs and have little to no interest understanding the small business world. Academic thinking with no practical experience is the reason the country is near collapse and this blanket ban is just another step towards losing more freedom. You may laugh now but wait until they come for your menu, your soap, your transportation but then again maybe you are so dull you need conformity.
doggy8kitty 5 months ago 2
@TigerghostPictures You'll have to ask a conservative about the liberal to Nazi comparison. Why does the progressive lower half always assume it's a conservative that doesn't agree with them? Do you think the wave to disgust and hatred contains only conservatives? Much like your theory about the benefits of oppression this too is another misguided path you follow.
doggy8kitty 5 months ago
@TigerghostPictures I don't buy that, and even if it is true, it doesn't matter whether smoking hinders business or not; the issue is whether the owner, the one taking the risk with one's own capital and hard work, should have the right to decide (the freedom to choose) to allow(or not) smoking and drinking in his own bar, rather than the government taking the choice of how to best serve the demand of the market wrt bar patrons. I believe in the moral superiority of liberty.
sadlsore 5 months ago
@sadlsore No you let economics and the will of an oftentimes uneducated, and biased electorate to be the judge of morality. What is good for business is good for everybody... If that were the case, then we'd have no health and safety standards [lead paint, fracking, ect...]. There would be no purpose for government entirely. Money is a terrible judge for morality; it gives way to corruption, tainted research. I'm with you on less regulation, but public safety is a proper role of government.
TigerghostPictures 5 months ago
@TigerghostPictures "No you let economics and the will of an oftentimes uneducated, and biased electorate to be the judge of morality."
Are you saying that what is moral should only be determined by those with a sufficient degree of education? And, based on your posts, YOU are extremely biased.
"...public safety is a proper role of government."
How much, though? What if they say that your habits are unsafe to the public? Public safety is the proper role of the public, not the government.
skcushcodrum 5 months ago
@skcushcodrum This is ReasonTV... Just let "reason" be the moral judge. Reason is based on evidence, support, necessity. If the government took proper regulation into air safety during shows, perhaps that accident in Reno the other day could have been made less tragic. =/ It is 'reasonable' to have a level of safety regulations for employees and consumers in order to make sure that corporations treat us with respect and humanity.
TigerghostPictures 5 months ago
@TigerghostPictures
Hate to admit it, but Vegas...is right. I lost a significant portion of my freedom nearly 50 years ago. I didn't know that I would be an, apparently incurable, addict. Nevertheless, I trust freedom more than "government." Thanks to all the responders.
MMGCDICK 5 months ago
@TigerghostPictures
Hate to admit it, but Vegas...is right. I lost a significant portion of my freedom nearly 50 years ago. I didn't know that I would be an, apparently incurable, addict. Nevertheless, I trust freedom more than "government." Thanks to all the responders.
MMGCDICK 5 months ago
@TigerghostPictures ....
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wow.
Did you smoke paint chips as a child?
VegasBilgeRat 5 months ago
@VegasBilgeRat No. I do not smoke anything. It is harmful to the most basic of personal property I own, which is my body. I am a strong advocate for the legalization of marijuana in private residences and for smoking tobacco products outdoors, but as for indoor establishments that are not residencies, smoking anything should be banned. See, I support your right to smoke... just not in my face. You want to smoke or do any kind of drugs? Do it on your own time in your own home, but leave me out.
TigerghostPictures 5 months ago
@TigerghostPictures yes, but you are forcing the owner of the bar or restraunt to not allow smoking on his or her own property. If you dont like smoking you can go to a restraunt where the owner does not allow smoking. Very simple, if more people prefer to go to a place with no smoking then that will become the norm across the establishment, if not, than most bars will allow smoking.
BenBurkley07 5 months ago
@TigerghostPictures I can't respect your opinion, at all. The kind of person who says something so amazingly wacky as "a smoking ban gives them more freedom to quit" doesn't deserve any respect.
If you were joking, then I'll withdraw my criticism.
VegasBilgeRat 5 months ago
@TigerghostPictures
Your right ... oh how wrong i have been. Lets kill or at least imprison those evil rude people. Dam inconsiderate people ruining the world i tell you.
Lets ignore the fact that you have the freedom to leave and just take their freedom away.
jetrpg22 5 months ago
@jetrpg22 Don't patronize me. You don't support freedom. You don't even know what the term means. I've seen the debates, people that think like you want to kill off the uninsured, and boo at soldiers. You think you're gonna win in 2012 with that uncompassionate rhetoric, disrespect for our military, anarcho-capitalistic statements? If that happens, I will fully support a coup because this nation would no longer be one "for the people." Who said kill or imprison smokers? They can still smoke.
TigerghostPictures 5 months ago
@TigerghostPictures
They are still free to smoke, just not where they want to.
In hitter's Germany the Jews were free, just not they way they wanted to be.
Think I am being sarcastic ... I am not. Reductio ad absurdum my friend.
Say i smoke in your restaurant, get fined, did it 100 times, refused to pay, and garnishments. I will be jailed eventually. Am i free in jail? No.
You FORCE PEOPLE to behave how you prefer (you move), instead of changing your own behavior (i'll move).
jetrpg22 5 months ago
@jetrpg22
Umm, i have to edit something not in your restaurant in a restaurant.
You of course have the right to kick others out of your property. People are not free to do as they like in/on your property. So say an lazee-faire restaurant
jetrpg22 5 months ago
I HATE cigarettes!!! And I think smokers are stupid idiots. But I think it's totally Un-American to have laws banning smoking in businesses. If people want to go to a bar where they can smoke they should be able to. I'm glad I can go to a smoke-free bar. . . but I don't need everybody in the world to do as I do. In fact, I think it's Fascist!
82compoundw 5 months ago
It is a breath of fresh air to see a POSITIVE news report. Watching this clip, just made my day!
Kudos.
RebelRadius 5 months ago
The Bill of Rights, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were all written and signed in a cloud of tobacco smoke. $11.75 a pack? My God! I could make a fortune selling cigarettes on the black market.
NAGGERNUTZ 5 months ago
Sieg heil for safety....
Mahoivlich 5 months ago 17
A 'No Smoking' sign on The Statue of Liberty? What has the world come to?
machwon 5 months ago
@franzyland Australian dollars are worth more than US dollars, so $15 AUD is about $16 US.
coffeebuzzz 5 months ago
thumbs up for freedom of choice
theylive1984rm 5 months ago 3
common sense.
oldtimefreedom 5 months ago 2
Lots of things are bad for us. Why doesn't the government ban soft drinks, twinkies, ice cream, or alcohol???
rubbersole79 5 months ago 18
@rubbersole79 Don't worry, it's coming too.
franzyland 5 months ago
@rubbersole79 it's coming or it's here. They could go a bit harder and faster with cigarettes because of the whole second hand smoke thing, that became their excuse to eviscerate everything smoking related. Soft drinks, alcohol etc. are a bit harder sell without the whole second hand angle to work, but they're getting there.
SammyDavistheThird 5 months ago