Arnold Schoenberg - Suite for Piano Op. 25 - Part II

[Dwafiz]

The fact that there is such a premeditated meaning behind what I am hearing makes it very intruiging to listen to. That is all.

[MattiasXL]

Just because you don't understand this, doesn't mean it's trash. Go back to your pop tunes and your movie music if you find this music terrible. Schoenberg is an innovator; his music is like none other that came before him. We remember those who created something new, not those who wrote music that sounded like what's already been done.

[KhagarBalugrak]

@MattiasXL, what an elitist attitude you have toward music. Just because people don't like ugly music like this doesn't mean they have terrible taste in music and like pop music and cinema music. I rightfully reject ugly, harmful music like this, but I also reject artificially simplistic and shallow pop music. We should listen to REAL music, like that of Bach, Mozart, Chopin, Rachmaninov, Tchaikovsky, etc. Just because something is new doesn't mean it's good - for example, pop music.

[bamamusic08]

@KhagarBalugrak Our perceptions create what is real. It is a sad sight that music is more subjective than religious practices.

[KhagarBalugrak]

@MattiasXL, another thing, you are not understanding this music at all. If you did, you'd reject it. I'm sorry to see you've been brainwashed by your professors, or that perhaps you have not yet developed the capacity to understand music. Did you know atonal music has been proven to harm living things in scientific experiments? And don't reject scientific data just because it comes to conclusions that are unpalatable for you. Listen to atonal music at your own risk.

[MattiasXL]

@KhagarBalugrak You say I have an elitist attitude towards music, yet your remarks carry far more egotism than anything I said. Go back to spamming other videos with your comments about how this music harms living things.

[KhagarBalugrak]

@MattiasXL, my remarks do not carry egotism. I do no dismiss the general public simply because they don't like this music. Nor do I dismiss them simply because they don't like tonal classical music. But you definitely have dismissed them, but all this is really irrelevant to my point. Atonal music is nothing but ego. It was written to say "fuck you" to the general public. As a result, classical music is dying and the market for it is shrinking. What a shame.

[KhagarBalugrak]

@MattiasXL, and as for proof that atonal music is nothing but a way to say "fuck you" to the general public, Schoenberg bowed to the orchestra instead of the audience, an egotistical, elitist behavior if ever there was one. Milton Babbit, who was a strong proponent of atonal music, wrote columns with titles like "Who Cares If You Listen?", which were obviously meant to be a way of spitting on the public. So yes, atonal music is all about elitism and saying "fuck you".

[MAFL77]

@KhagarBalugrak you are making a generalixzation based on the attitude of two composers. Keep in mind that there are hundreds of composers out there and the vast majority do care about reaching out to the audiences.

[rolfepercussion]

@KhagarBalugrak You misunderstand an entire movement in the history of western music. Read Babbit's article, please.

"As a public service, let me offer those who still patiently await the revelation of the criteria of Absolute Good an alternative criterion which possesses, at least, the virtue of immediate and irrefutable applicability: "There is no such thing as 'serious' and 'popular' music. There is only music whose title begins with the letter 'X,' and music whose title does not." -

MB

[bungleminge]

@KhagarBalugrak Got your facts wrong there bub. Although the title 'Who Cares if You Listen' was the one published, Babbitt did not wish it so. The intended title was 'The Composer as Specialist.' You're also leaving out an important category of serial composers, most prominently Elliott Carter, whose experimentations with dodecaphony and musical set theory were derived from his belief that he was neglecting a vast domain of emotion, not from elitist impulses. Educate yourself.

[rolfepercussion]

@KhagarBalugrak also by MB:

"Like all communication, this music presupposes a suitably equipped receptor. I am aware that "tradition" has it that the lay listener, by virtue of some undefined, transcendental faculty, always is able to arrive at a musical judgment absolute in its wisdom if not always permanent in its validity. I regret my inability to accord this declaration of faith the respect due its advanced age. "

[danitaly]

I can't really say I understand Schoenberg. But his music is so good to listen to.

[geobellbronze]

"But are there compositions by this or any other composer and not necessarily only classical composers that utilize both systems well? Request if anybody could please suggest those. THAT sounds like a delicious idea."

FRANK ZAPPA!

[fissionesque]

I can understand why someone wouldn't like this (I like it, though). It's from a completely different planet than diatonic music. But I don't understand why it has to be hated so much.

[CrimsonKing589051]

But are there compositions by this or any other composer and not necessarily only classical composers that utilize both systems well? Request if anybody could please suggest those. THAT sounds like a delicious idea.

[CrimsonKing589051]

I think if people carefully listened to Hollywood bgms, they would realize that the ideas behind such music, if not the actual technique of serialism, are more ubiquitous than they think. It opened up modes of musical expression for a whole new set of moods and emotions. But I am not yet convinced it is suitable to express those emotions that so called tuneful or melodic music could/can and it therefore only complements it and cannot supplant it.

[thesparkflyer]

Listening without tonal center is an acquired taste. Some people just have more trouble than others to acquire it. But does that make tonality a natural thing and atonality artificial?

[colourfulwithaU]

@thesparkflyer

That may be a question not meant for YouTube.

[unRompecabezas]

I love this.

People don't understand what a traditionalist Schoenberg was at heart. Twelve-tone composition was a throwback to classical methods of generating a lot of music out of a limited amount of material. The Op. 25's pieces even have Baroque titles: this one is the Gavotte.

The fact that modern listeners are largely ignorant of Schoenberg's work (aside from Verklarte Nacht) is a shame. The fact that, despite their ignorance, they still see fit to denigrate it is a disgrace.

[colourfulwithaU]

I wouldn't exactly put this on my MP3 player, but I can appreciate it for what it is: a marvelous composition, utilizing dimensions of music other than tonality, dimensions which had previously been ignored, to their full potential.

Also, for those saying there is no structure to this, you don't understand the work that goes into composing twelve-tone music. Much more pre-compositional consideration goes into this than most music you've heard.

[templedread]

Glenn Gould was one of the few that embraced this new type of music, so strange to our ear... The problem is: it only sounds strange to our ear, because since children we have been used to listen tonal music.

[MrMichaelAdrian]

I love the anger this music incurs in people! "music HAS to have structure; without that it ceases to be music and becomes steaming shit" It's just beautiful, this music has very intricate structure, but that's not what validates it for me.

I think this kind of music makes people listen much more intensely than the music that so often gives us what we expect. It's so exciting! I love how much people want there to be structure in the music, doesn't it work beautifully as an expression alone?

[jruizdemena]

but whats the difference between this (atonal music) and play the piano randomly?

[dancinginthestreet1]

@jruizdemena people will not only pay to hear this but they will call you a genius for producing it. if you can garner that sort of renown by playing randomly by all means do so.

[jruizdemena]

@dancinginthestreet1 thats not a logical argument, Hitler was followed by many people and he wasnt a genious. But if is not based in armony (atonal) on which is based of?

[dancinginthestreet1]

@jruizdemena ur correct sir but i was merely being facetious. if you are interested in serial compositions or atonal music there are many resources (wikipedia) at your disposal. you are not the first person to raise such questions. i intuitively hear a bit of the organization in the piece but ive been listening to this kind of stuff for a while. schoenberg's approach to music evolved over the years as well. try some of his tonal pieces then work towards his atonal work

[jruizdemena]

@dancinginthestreet1 hi, thanks for the answer, i aldo hear a bit of the organization in the piece but im not sur if is just tonal parts.

[dancinginthestreet1]

@jruizdemena knowing why it sounds how it sounds wont make it sound any better

[nathen92]

@jruizdemena theres a huge difference between atonality and randomly playing the piano, educate yourself on chromatic saturation or developing variation.dumbass.

[kasiamroweczka]

People! look into the score. This intepretation is very very good, but that's more Gould's piece than Schonberg's. Any of dynamic's and articulation's things aren't realized by Gould. Pity...

[blackdragon767]

This is such complete fuckin' garbage. Atonality is NOT music, just mindless dribble. It's as if this douchebag was like "Oooooohhh let me do something crazy, I'll compose entire works without a tonic and it will be so unique that I will be considered a genius!" Wrong, music HAS to have structure; without that it ceases to be music and becomes steaming shit.

[beatlesmack9]

@blackdragon767 This is more structured than normal music I would say because Schoenberg didn't have a key or mode to work in, so it is, in a sense, only structure. Math without music, pure structure, in a sense. So dont call it mindless or dribble because it is niether; however, I do agree that i sucks perty bad.

[TheLordSpitfire]

atonality :/

[ElZonko]

You've really got to tackle his music with an open mind... You might like what you hear!

[AlexanderDaniels]

Musette 1:27 - 3:06 So delicate and beautiful.

[4ZD73X]

My professor showed my class some Arnold Schoenberg today and i was one of the few who actually liked it. I thought it was beautiful and a well composed piece of chaos and dissonance. Just pure amazing; one of the few reasons i wish i had played piano.

[Stolou]

Anybody know where i can get the sheet music for free or a decent cost?? IMSLP is on [TB] with this suite :'(

[Stolou]

Anybody know where i can get the sheet music for free or a decent cost?? IMSLP is on [TB] with this suite :'(

[naizret]

In 40 years of listening to Schoneberg's piano music I can testify that the Glenn Gould version here is the best rendition of the Suite for Klavier. It is diabolically good, and haunting: Tempo and intonation are exactly right. Thanks for posting!

[aculturemind]

@naizret

YOu know, I'm diggin it, too. And many think Gould is too....spartan.

[eaglesonofwill]

you just heard the death of classical music.

[pooperscoopr69]

@eaglesonofwill

Your irreverent commentary on Schoenberg is pathetically uniformed and confirms that you possess little--if any legitimate knowledge of music.

Contrary to the perfect pitch of your ignorance; Schoenberg happens remains one of the top five geniuses that Western Music has ever produced.

Read Style and Idea and liberate yourself from this crippling, painful stupidity.

[eaglesonofwill]

Schoenbergs impact on the classical idiom was devasting: it is now the exclusive minority domain of pseudo-intellectual snobs. His musica is intellectual scatology and masturbation of the worst kind. "This is ugly but its genius ugly". If you find his music ingenius then good for you. Nothing about his music is inspiring, uplifting, thrilling or moving. It is technical genius. So what. You like it. Great. Classical music is dead. We have hip hop and X-factor. Congratulations.

[Hyardacil]

@eaglesonofwill I find this beautiful.

[MATTDUNCAN1]

@eaglesonofwill ..of course classical music is no longer written...it was supplanted by romantic..romantic supplanted by impression..etc..just as classical music supplanted baroque..how terrifying you must find the march of time..one can only hope you adhere to modern hygiene standards as opposed to those of the classical period !! (you may be interested to read the contemporary critical response to beethovens last 5 piano sonatas, you'll be among your peers)

[beatlesmack9]

@pooperscoopr69 How are the top five geniuses that Western Music produced?

[beatlesmack9]

@pooperscoopr69 Who are the top five geniuses that Western Music produced? Who is what I meant.

[cnmaster01]

@eaglesonofwill because you know, after this no orchestra ever thought of playing older music of Bach Beethoven or Brahms ever again, and why Aaron Copland never gained any acceptance or popularity. this music is touchingly beautiful and made by a great genius. your argument just makes no sense. this music being played did not incinerate all of Bach's manuscripts and remove Mozart from our history books

[b0ttomzone]

@eaglesonofwill People were saying that after hearing Beethoven, roughly one hundred years before this was written.

[alimac1991]

is dis based on the 12 tone series??

[ratfinkproductions]

@alimac1991 yes. 

[gissamusiken]

Does anyone know what Shoenberg piece this is or if it atonal of twelve tone? watch?v=1ECXXiHeqL4

[buddylighty224]

This is like a song for the insane, i like it lol

[lhmran]

hmmm this music is working hard on my brain.

but... wait a minute! SchoenBERG?!

haha! was he jewish?

[bongfodder]

Does anyone know the cold wind washed hills? Piss not in the mouth of the abyss.

[Bolenderable]

Another thing: I'm a little troubled by people throwing around the word "hillbilly" as a term of abuse. There are hillbillies who like this music. Does anyone know where George Crumb is from?

[Bolenderable]

"Starting with a tune"  In a way, that's what he was doing. He began with a series which is a kind of proto-melody.

[penp26]

hail atonality ....

[PossessWithin]

B R 0 0 T A L

i could listen to it dismembering some1

[Rockcandymount]

That was cute and pretty. I had expected it to be ugly. Pleasant surprise!

[capnpayne]

here's a tip, folks who are loudly bashing this: if glenn gould, one of the greatest bach enthusiasts and performers to ever have lived, liked this music, then he was seeing something that you aren't. i strongly doubt you have any more insightful views on it than glenn gould did.

[quinntissentialmusic]

@capnpayne yeah, but this is the same guy who didnt like chopin and made it a point not to perform one of the greatest piano composers of all time. same thing with him and debussy, gould hated playing debussy's music too.

[TouchingYou]

We know for a fact that Communism works best, b/c even the right wing nutjobs who denounce it WORSHIP it.

EX: the police, fire depts, and military that right wing loons worship are ALL govt-run monopolies. (DO you think they didn't notice that tiny fact?)

(Yes, these agencies are all super-incompetent, but not b/c they're communistic. Rather, anything humans touch they fuck up.)

Communism---when practiced HONESTLY---is the best.

[haakonia]

Communist thought doesn't matter because its logic can't be applied. After the revolution, the party that led it will always become the government. The desires that were bought with money before will instead be bought with political clout.

Flying around using feathered wings on one's back would be nice, but it doesn't matter. People don't have wings. People who call themselves Communists are basically fantasizing about what kind of brush they'd use on their wings if they had them.

[TouchingYou]

But I gave several concrete examples that prove Communism exists daily in most of the world and works so well that BOTH "liberals" and "conservatives" hail it as the best.

Why didn't you just disprove this instead of posting hypothetical rhetoric?

[haakonia]

Your examples were of individual socialized services. Socialism is not communism, and communism does not exist in degrees. Under Communism, the entire economy is run by the government (Marx says 'the workers,' but in real the Party always takes full control).

Communism, by Marx's definition, is not just a system but a process which starts with global revolution in all industrialized countries at the same time. Private property is abolished (which has rarely happened anywhere).

[freaky011]

in my opinion twelve tone music is just like communism - nice idea, but shitty in reality.

[TouchingYou]

Well, it's not Communism that's bad. It's the idiot humans who fuck up everything they touch.

Ditto serialism.

Every serialist I've heard is an idiot, amateur composer, Schoenberg included.

Democracy is also a great theory, but in reality, it has been a stunning disaster.

[TouchingYou]

ALso, CON ED has to send out 5 MILLION bill envelopes per MONTH to just its NYC customers. That's a LOT of money wasted, and trash created.

By contrast, the commie FDNY sends out zero envelopes per century and that monster $avings is then passed down to the consumer: taxpayers.

Capitalism is the greatest lie since organized religion, and likewise, it doesn't even appear to make any sense!

Capitalism isn't efficient economically.

Don't fall for the hype they brainwashed you with.

[478493]

capitalism is a nice theroy but the lie is that everybody who works hard can make it. well.....they can't! Greed is the lubricant and capitalism can only move forward by the owners and their managers exploiting labor as they buy the judges and politicians to always get what they want which is more for themselves,screw everyone else.Eventually all wealth and power end up in the hands of 5% of the "winners" of this filthy game as the rest of us live worse than wild animals. It's unsustainable!

[haakonia]

Greed is the lubricant in Communism as well. Which is why it will never exist as Marx designed it. No matter how well the revolution goes, the party will never dissolve itself. Political power is not wielded - it wields those who think they have it.

And you are not living worse than a wild animal. Your abilities are god-like compared to those of a rich man 100 years ago. You tap some keys, and someone in Nairobi sees the result instantly. You're just over-accustomed to the ease of it.

[478493]

Well then,you're really saying that our deeply flawed nature sets all political solutions and any laws for that matter on a course of assured failure.We cannot ever shed the primal lizards eye and realize the dream of a universal brotherhood based on cooperation rather than competition and war?

E-mail is glorified teletype[around since the '50s] and dosen't make anyone godlike.

Most wild animals become demented in captivity and most humans are incarcerated from grade school to retirement .

[haakonia]

No. I was talking about Communism's impossibility. Yes, there are problems we can't solve until we alter human nature. But inequality of outcome isn't a problem - people aren't entitled to have someone give them everything they need. If they think that way, their survival doesn't matter. They decrease the value of human life rather than adding to it.

You haven't had teletype in your home for $25 a month since the 50s. And email is hardly the only thing you have that Rockefeller didn't..

[haakonia]

Efficiency assumes that there's a single goal to be met. There isn't. You may think of one, but others are entitled to reject it.

But you're right about this - it's not Communism that's bad, because it exists in a vacuum that doesn't involve real people. Ants would be able to practice it just fine. So unless you're working on creating a Skynet or Cylon-type singularity that will wipe us out and replace us, you're part of the problem.

And re: public services, partial socialism != communism.

[freaky011]

dude, i don't give a damn about your vision of a communistic utopia. i was referring to dodecaphonism.

[TouchingYou]

EX:

It costs the NYPD zero dollars a year to advertise their services, while it costs 5 phone companies over $50 MILLION each per year. (That money then must come from raising the prices of their services artificially.)

EX:

The head of Con Ed used to earn $100,000 when it was communistic. NOW that it's for-profit / privatized, the CEO makes ten times more salary, raising the overhead and the cost to customers. IT also reduces maintenance monies.

ie, SUPER DISASTEROUS.

[maxhansendk]

Not music!!

Just disturbing sounds...If you like this you also enjoy listening to heavy traffic! you can get your "fix" at nearest industrial complex or start up your chainsaw....

I repeat : This is not music! Just illogical sounds that disturbs people...

[Milligan1932]

Good lord! Actually listen.

Entire studies have been done of music such as this believe it or not. Atonality is in itself my favourite kind of music. I prefer Berg, but to say that Schoenburg is illogical...

Is Webern illogical? Because his music has been deemed by some as the most structured and logical music ever (including Bach etc.)

Don't get me wrong, I love Bach, but this kind of music is probably just different to what you're used to.

Remember, some people say classical music is boring.

[greifenhagen15]

No offense but I hate this music. I think it is garbage. Honestly I only listen to it to give me ideas for horror songs. Its interesting but it really isnt tuneful like music should be.

[Milligan1932]

I don't insist people like it, I only ask that people accept this as music (as you have done).

The only problem I have with your statement is that it "isnt tuneful like music should be. " which is kind of the point...

But at least you've said it's interesting, and I hope you appreciate the amount of thought and effort that goes into music like this (It is harder to write good atonal music than good tonal music).

[capnpayne]

lol how about you write some papers on how you think music "should be" you god damn hillbilly

[greifenhagen15]

Well for starters, when I write music I generally start with a tune... Anyway, you can't really call me a hillbilly because you don't even know me. And just a sidenote... I am the one who is using punctuation and correct spelling and that isn't very hillbillylike. Besides we all have our own opinions and no matter what there is definately going to be people who disagree with you (me being such). Anyway, it really is nothing to get fired up about. Don't let your emotions go crazy man.

[charlescontarini21]

lol... hillbillylike...

[fiandrhi]

I'm curious why you think there isn't a tune here. By the way "starting with a tune" is by no means necessarily the way composers write music. Sometimes you begin with a bass line. Schoenberg tended to begin with tunes.

[hexachordal]

I love listening to heavy traffic and industrial complexes. Sound is beautiful, and I hope you can dig into its complex depths one day, when you grow up.

[478493]

Doug, you sound like the ultimate philistine and anti intelectual...i suspect that you were never a lover of of classic music per se and you speak like a rock fan who simply embraces Schoenberg because he is "weird" enough for you and you can use him to down grade all traditional music and everything that is to be learned from studying it or caring about it at all.I'm glad that Glenn Gould who plays this suite didn't think like you...he was an ultimate Bach specialist but did 20th century too,S

[DougYfunnie]

you're completely off. i spent many years of my life in love with classical, and after some time of being obsessed with all "the greats" i just grew tired of it. at the end of the day it's just boring to me - ESPECIALLY after being turned on to the great 20th century composers. there is definitely something to learn from classical music - i have studied it myself so i can avoid the sound of it, because, like i said, i find it boring. take it or leave it

[478493]

And now your"obcessed" with the atonal avant guard......soon that too will bore you? Next you could move on to Jazz and become bored with that too.....maybe you should get into "Extreme" sports or Mtv's "jackass"? Nothing boring about skateboarding off the top of a bridge trying to land on a moving train or paying some chick to kick you in the nuts so you can get on TV? Party on Doug....S

[DougYfunnie]

yeah well next you could move on to fucking off

[478493]

just kidding Doug.....follow your own instincts and feelings and you will never go wrong.Honestly, I get bored with everything sometimes too.....I tell myself it's depression and not that I don't love the things I used to? Who knows...pardon the flame mail. S,

[DougYfunnie]

hehe its OK i dont take the internet too seriously, no hard feelings

[478493]

I think it helps to feel that you have exausted the Mozarts and Chopins and moved to the Mahlers and Scriabins years ago....now you become jaded and are ready to come to this world of atoms and flickers of light that seem to dance in a human psyche that has transended this world and all of it's bonds....you are now speaking only to God or maybe regressing back beyond the primal void....maybe in psycho therapy?

[DougYfunnie]

yes yes, if i understand what you're saying then i feel the same way. to truly appreciate this music almost requires that you've grown tired of all the [now] incredibly boring shit that is shoved down everyone's throats as being SERIOUS, SOPHISTICATED, GREAT WORKS OF ART..such as Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, etc. Don't get me wrong, I don't think these composers are "bad" per se, they are just boring to me

[478493]

Well, the classical masters are not only "not bad" but indeed they are eternal.I should have said that only when you have the experience to know how we got from Palestrina to Schoenberg can you be truly open to music like this......I could never make a steady diet of this stuff but when in the right mood?

[DougYfunnie]

I must respectfully disagree. Indeed they are eternal, at least as far as we can judge considering people still listen to and perform their works in this day and age, but I have to ask myself - for WHAT REASON have they lasted so long? I feel it is because people blindly accept these composers as "masters" just because all the SERIOUS, SOPHISTICATED, pretentious FUCKWADS that make up the world of classical music TELL THEM that they are GREAT, SERIOUS COMPOSERS

[hexachordal]

The masters are indeed eternal, but schoenberg himself has lasted 100 years so far and looks to last for many more. How long will you be remembered for after your death?

[DougYfunnie]

i really don't give a fuck, and i think anyone who's concerned about how they will be remembered is a sad, sad man.

[capnpayne]

so michelangelo's art is boring? what about da vinci?

[DougYfunnie]

and I refuse to believe you have to have "experience" to appreciate this music. I've turned several of my friends onto the music of Schoenberg and his pupils, and some of them are in love with it, meanwhile having absolutely no formal musical education. I'm sorry, but to say you need musical education to appreciate music only adds to the bad reputation that twelve-tone music has as "merely academic music". THE ULTIMATE RULE OUGHT TO BE, IF IT SOUNDS GOOD, ITS GOOD, IF IT SOUNDS BAD, IT SUCKS

[MarkedByDarkness]

It's not the experience or technical knowledge in themselves; it is that these two make you more open-minded towards music. Some things just can't be explained (especially in YouTube) but all I'm trying to say is that people don't give music a chance and that's the main reason they don't like most of it. I enjoy most genres and types of music (not every though; I don't think anyone does) and I assure you, this sounds really good, but it probably isn't inside the range of music you tend to enjoy.

[innerdeth]

sorry to get in the conversation...but...there is something youre saying that is very important..."You don´t need formal education to aprecciate this music"...Of course you need...TO APPRECIATE IT!!! But... "you don´t need formal eduaction to LIKE this music"...which is VERY VERY DIFFERENT!!

[FCO0710]

it all sounds the same....

[jerms90]

I will never be able to understand why Schoenberg and his students are almost universally hated...

Maybe it's not the future of music, but I do happen to enjoy the shocking combinations of sound that are possible in an atonal idiom.

[cdpiano27]

I played this piece about 8 years ago, and performed it in public from memory. It was SO tough in every way. I may go back to it perhaps.

[juaneco1980]

Why didn't Schoenberg used just percussion (the non tonal ones like drums u know what I mean right?) if he wanted to get rid of tonality?

[hexatonico]

Good question! That was what Varese did in Ionization! I think that he try to escape from the classical pitch organization. He couldnºt escape from the pitch parameter, except in "farben". In his writings he says that the organization of the music is based in the pitch

[capnpayne]

tonality and atonality don't refer to the use of tones themselves, but the way in which they are organized. he obviously wanted to use tones!

[CraigViewer]

no matter how hard you study it or try love it- sane people just can't get past how much IT LICKS WALLS!! Schoenberg, Berg and Webern were stupid, self-centered egos, who wasted alot of my time-

I hope that all the fm-stations of the world are broadcastet in hell. Sorry, I can't hear the future of music between all THE LOVELY TONAL MUSIC!

[yourforte]

Dodecaphony was a phase of the 20th century. Hardly any composers use it now. It's not the 'next step' in classical music.

[LackingLack0]

is there a reason you go to all these videos of serialist composers and bash them? get a life chump.

[yourforte]

I'm just intrigued to see what people are saying about this music these days. I've got a life, thank you.

[tone12of12]

It's true, dodecaphony isn't used much these days... But that doesn't discount it as a powerful tool for composition. I don't personally consider it a "next step" in an evolutionary sense... Just another musical technique amongst many for organizing musical ideas, which is exactly how Schoenberg saw it, if I understand him correctly.

[yourforte]

tone12of12, I think this comment is the most perceptive one I've read in connection with serialism. I don't personally like serial music, and I don't see serialism as a 'powerful tool for composition' in the sense that it results in powerful music. Although I do agree that it's one way of ensuring a result. I do quite like some Berg but then he chose tone rows involving a lot of 3rds and 6ths - with the result that much of his music has a tonal feel.

[toxiclottie]

i don't want to listen to this music but i have an exam coming up all about them. i actually find this one alot more bearable than other works by Shoenberg, at some points it actually sound like it has some sort of key.

[aprilshowers495]

LOL what!! X.x

hayyyyyyyyyyy sup girl!! MA

[iShAtBuL]

this ideas are great! Dodecaphony has been the next step in classical music...and will inspire every musician who wants to break the usual ear's scheme and shout his internal scream to the audience... at least this is what i would do XD if only i could -_-'

[Leibo07]

No one played Schönberg's keyboard music the way Mr Gould did