Marcus Miller and Hadrien Feraud, "Continuum", NAMM 2008

[appiahao]

The choice of song favored hadrein but I still completely dig marcus. Marcus always try to sound like marcus anywhere. Those other guys try to sound like jaco

[jacop1987]

vicienz14 YES

:)

the question is very easy:JACO PASTORIUS

[vicienz14]

Who is better between hadrien feraud and marcus miller?

The question is very easy :JACO PASTORIUS

[sinchrostick]

Brilliant :)

[afterthefox7]

Jaco Pastorious

[grazer770]

can anyone play or whistle or hum me an adriien feraud bass line cos for the life of me i cant think of any.

[elpactodejohnson1]

i like both, there are both different, feraud is faster with a light touch, smooth, marcus is more visceral. But the piece sound so random, no groove on that

[DudeLove1996]

Keep in mind that these guys play all of this stuff impromptu for the comments below these guys don't come to Namm with a setlist all the stuff they play is improvisation with a couple set parts of a song here or there I like this version to a certain extent more than Jaco's because they trade lines back and forth and the fluidity in which they play those lines is incredible is incredible Hadrien is a great example of a modern bassist while Marcus shows a lot of the old school by his groove.

[terrykumar]

and what you get from hadrien's tone is just the low mid, because it is like that. marcus got the high, mid and low.

all big head cats.. they all play most songs with their only one instrument. thats because they've grown, and where as having their own voice is very important.

[FunkMan53]

Funny, Marcus is out of tune and can't get the melody together. He seems to be distracted by Hadrien...

[terrykumar]

out of tune? scuzi?

[bassicpat]

at this level there is no competition between the two. these people are having a conversation not an argument. to say one is "better" is kinda childish. you can say who you prefer tho.

[PAF149]

agreed!

[cacapatin]

i use to think that every musician has his own way to talk to the one who can hear him/her, and in this way i would be agree with you. But in this video it isn't the fact that hadrien did it better, i don't think so, i think instead that miller broke the meaning of the original, with a horrible sound. Continuum is a song inspired by his sound, you can't ignore that and break in with any sound you like, and i'm not saying that you have to it on jaco's ways, in fact, hadrien did it very well, ...

[terrykumar]

its called his own presentation. why would people want to listen to it if everyone plays the same way.

[cacapatin]

the artist have to be clever, doing that, he can do it in such many ways. In fact, my last sentence was, "i'm not saying that you have to do it on jaco's ways".

I'm agree with you, this is his own presentation, but his own presentation change the sound and the meaning of the song, making it meaningless, beacause the sound has a very important rol in the meaning, If you ignore that, you change the meaning, the concept, you are telling that it's a better version.

[terrykumar]

marcus has his own sound.. his very own sound. why would he play the song IF he plays it with jaco's sound?? see. that's the cool thing about music, everyones got their own voice, and such differences make variety.

marcus miller is a virtuoso, maestro. i dont think he ruined this song in any kind of way.he knows what he's doing. better than all of us who's watching here.

whether its horrible or not, its up to you. go watch hadrien's version of teen town. you'll know what i mean.

[cacapatin]

i repeat, for the third time now, "i'm not saying that you have to do it on jaco's ways".

A writer, write a book for someone that can read it. Returning to the main theme, one artist can't depend of the sound that he creates. If i have a name in the music world, all that i do, doesn´t need to have the same sound necesarelly. The way that i change the sound, for every matter, my intelligence to aply it, makes my art. Marcus is a virtuoso, ok, but he is a man also, and he can be wrong sometimes.

[terrykumar]

Why is there anything wrong in interpreting music? It'll go back to a matter of TASTE..

[cacapatin]

sure? i like this conversation, really. It's interesting.

I noticed that you're talking in general terms, however i talking about one particular piece of music. I've listened to hadrien's versions, and they have too much spirit and own personality, it's a way in the line that i'm describing.

You'll see, continuum is mainly inspired by the way that the fretless sounds through it. Other songs are inspired by the music, but this also by the sound. (continue)

[terrykumar]

no it doesnt. you think that way because its being played by fretless.. and you're actually stating opinions here, not facts at all.

and maybe, marcus doesnt have a fretless at the time. that's his signature bass that he brings with him (or maybe borrowed it from fender booth)

your last comment is true, but i dont think marcus sound makes the song sounds bad, or "wrong" for you. and besides, aint the camera is shit? it cant capture low frequency,

[cacapatin]

i'm still thinking that it isn't a matter of fretless or fretted sound. Hadrien really got it, in both versions, playing a fretted bass. Personally i think that the accents that he made on the main notes, kills the "spirit" of the song, makes it very thick and vulgar. I understand, of course, that this is an improvisation in the namm show, and they play with the stuff of the place, it would be very different if they were playing a show.

[cacapatin]

(continue).

You can't play it in the same way, same sound, that you play in other songs, because the meaning, the essence of the song rests in the sound. I'm not telling that you have to play it like jaco, that would be poor. The way that the artist can use this, makes him more or less smart.

What i see when i watch the video, is a marcus playing that with a buzzing-shrill-cutting sound, emphatizing the notes in one way that kills the spirit of continuous atmosphere.

[Nekronaut321]

@terrykumar well said! marcus sounds like marcus! and noone should TRY to sound like Jaco. not that jacos sound isnt good, but it is his.

[DumsPlease]

Good comment

[Jpkrao]

Musically very good even with the different playing styles that these two guys bring on the table!

Hadrien is good, I am impressed as I see and hear him playing for the first time!

[Cambodia69]

Hadrien is so friggin' accurate, with great articulation and tone - not only speed. Melodically he's happening as well and being so young it's going to be interesting to see where he goes. Normally, I don't like slappin'-n-poppin' nor the scooped out mids and nasal thin highs of that playing style. That said, I have lots of respect for Marcus, his achievements and musicianship. He's the only slapper I've heard with good tone and musicality and can move me with his playing - but only Marcus....

[grownnbass]

There y'all go comparin again...Hadrien is the greatest alive...If you say Jaco is the best of all time look at wat Hadrien bringz to the table...The man is an absolute MONSTER!...If Jaco waz alive he'd shit his pants Im tln you!

[therealbrotherstone]

the jaco version of this song is still best, this video sounds like two improv's that at best are nice but really don't do justice for the both of the players. Marcus Miller shouldn't be compared to Hadrien, because Marcus history is longer and more awarded, noted composer and producer for Luther Vandross, Tom Brown, Lee Ritenour, etc, etc, from the 70's to this date still setting standards, still proving he is one of the basses champs and always in the conversation on who's the best of all time

[Douglass92]

that was his bass , I tried it.

[jazzsaavy]

id like to hear marcus do a solo album with no slap if i want to hear stanley clarke ill throw one of his cds on no offense to stanley at all but id love to hear marcus go without and do a hadrien type thing that would interest me tremendously

[ChildofDust6969]

both awesome but doesnt anyone else think marcus millers tone is kinda ugly. idk maybe that just me

[inuyashaspet]

I'm an avid MM fan, but he sounds hideous here. Must not be his personal bass, but just a shitty stock production bass.

[jazzin4bass]

i agree

[alparker3]

2:44

[millerflea]

very good. two excelentes bass players =)

but particulary i think marcus miller much better than hadrien in this "partner" in my opinion.

sorry for bad english

[jazzin4bass]

how so is he better?harmonically?more famous? explain..

[ProGigit]

The African guy certainly doesn't look like marcus miller, and his bass sounds just plain terrible!

The white guy plays much better!

[EliasMohr]

Those basses are huge.. I have one.. they make you look small..

[gabrielkaspar]

o macaco,logico que ele dá as tonicas,ele tá num baixo de 4 cordas,vc quer que ele jogue nonas ,decimas primeiras e terceiras num 4 cordas????

Se ele num der as tonicas a musica fica sem são,o sei cordas tem uma expansão harmonica muito maior,e mesmo assim o ferraud num usou muitas inversões,burro aki é só vc....

[jwuonog]

he's not that big. he's about the same height as me, and i'm 5'8".

[jazzsaavy]

that was sweet one of the best little duo versions of that song youll ever hear they complimented the hell out of each other

[grownnbass]

Watch as Hadrien does that run with the scale and the 2 chords...Marcus smiles at him... 1:43...

[FlowJazz]

Hadrien Feraud is one bad motha plucker like Marcus would say ! When you're playing in front of Marcus Miller...man, I'm wonderin what he was thinkin about. That must be amazing.

[solar103]

how long???

[grownnbass]

Since he was 12...I believe...

[notdavey]

Hadrien such a young player as well....I hung with him at Winter NAMM back in January. If you knew how long (rather how little) he's been playing you'd really want to shoot yourself. Really a monster.

[grownnbass]

Hadrien Feraud is an absolute monster...Its about time he gets spokem about more often..Hes European thats y he isnt discusd much but he adopts the standard 2 finger pluk instead of three or more like most foreign bass players...

[dennishemstra]

Do you mean most bassplayers not from the US use more then 2 fingers?

[keeponroll]

Congratulations !!!

Hadrien was voted as "Rising Star of Electric Bass" of the year in US Downbeat Magazin .

[Hatiansaint123]

i heard had broke his arm so we are not goin to see too much from him in the summer. ima miss his chords

[resonantdoghouse]

I heard that too, hopefully it was just a hairline fracture. He probably did it by breaking the sound barrier with his playing.

More vids like this please, amazing stuff!

[EdoTrb]

Where was it?

[letshavsomchurch]

i sick right now theses to OMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL­LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[FlowJazz]

part of Music's greatness and depth, is that something might be the most beautiful thing on earth for some people, while it's some horrible sh** for another... We gotta respect that. I wouldn't be fun if everybody loved the same thangs in music :). I love Marcus Miller, his bass lines, his attitude on the bass, the way he moves around and everything. Hadrien is cool too. They both got a beautiful technique that's one thing we can say for sure.

[namara87]

I love Marcus Miller...and Hadrien is CUTE! lol, I was standing somewhere near this session too, my dad bumped in to Hadrien accidentally...we didn't know who he was till we saw him playing at Fodera with Victor...amazing! People stop dissing him!

[MusicianForGod]

hi,i am a italian bassist player and i have a combos CMD 103H...incredible power!!!!W markbass!!

[stonepolismusic]

Marcus has established his greatness, Feraud is well on his way and they're playing a tune by Jaco who paved the way for all modern bassists to take the bass outof the background and into the soloist forefront. Whats interesting is the old skool guys: Jaco, Berlin, Marcus, King, Lee, Jones, Squire, etc. all did on four string basses! Less is more to say the least!

[Hatiansaint123]

does it really matter how many strings u have? its all in the sound. feraud is not a name to be taken lightly. he is already an amazing bassist rite now in his early twenties. he is better than a lot of professional bassist out on the scene rite now.

[stonepolismusic]

Nice that my original comment was removed, though all I stated is you can make as much music on four strings as six. How that got construed as a slam against Hadrien shows the ignorance of the average youTube viewer. Personally, I think Hadrien is at the forefront of modern bassists in terms of taste and technique as is Matthew Garrison, Tal Wilkenfeld, among others, so sorry if this is something to get butt hurt over!

[seargentpaper]

I think Mr Feraud is really able to play bass even on 3 strings and make music anyways  ...His great musicality will still be there ...listen to that solo .

[funkbeastbasslover]

i love marcus miller is just jammin out in a hoodie and a beanie lol like he was just passing by or something

fuckin killer

[Giftedpraise]

Marcus is Old school an that is the foundationion of music an Hadrien Is of the new age VERY asmaing an talented guy But even if they were off the same time they play to completely diffrent styls Marcus is a groove solid bassist all about the sound of each string workin with anotherNO Hadrien is amazin he of the new age where we take from other instruments and make it our own on the bass Harmonic arpegios etc(excuse my spelling.but they both great to hear indivdually an together

I loveit all

[DanLucasta]

fantastic

[sc59428]

This is clearly an impromptu 'jam.' (I hate that word) Should we criticize their every move based on a casual jam at a booth at NAMM??

[ProtoCosmos]

Marcus has his own place in the world. So does Hadrien. Is it about music or is it a sport? Both of them are the best bassists holding their basses.

[BodaciouslyHST]

Also, see 4:22 to 4:36 for more of Miller running out of ideas and compensating with poorly executed techniques that are neither entertaining or musical.

[gdevane]

These guys really listened to each other while they were playing together.

[redfenderjazz]

Whats all the fuss? Marcus sounds like himself and Hadrien, while an amazing bass player, sounds like Matt Garrison...nothing worng that...BUT...

[3XXRHCPXX3]

on se comprend c'est quand meme un gros ouf hadrien mais c'est sur que c'est pas encore un grand compositeur comme marcus miller mais faut dire qu'il n'a que 23 ans il a de la marge =)

[audioexotica]

In my opinion , Marcus is a great MUSICIAN. Hadrien is awesome, but he plays for the kids, and he wants to be the bass-heroe of the moment.

(Sorry my english)

[kabustard]

Well, Hadrien is my bass hero.

[saxmanrh]

Marcus' feel is ridiculous as usual!!Hadrien sounds good as well. But, if you can't hear the difference in musical maturity, then you're not a musician. Listen to Marcus play heart felt melodies, and listen to Hadrien play rapid scale passages. Listen to Marcus' sound of clarity, and hear how murky Hadrien's bass sounds. They are not even close to being compared. Not yet. Hadrien's day will come.

[jeanbat]

I disagree what you said Mr Saxmanrh.

First there is nothing to compare , they have both such personality ..and such one !!!

When you say "" if you can't hear the difference in musical maturity "" in my opinion you didn't spent time to listen to H Feraud's Album ...LOL .

That seams to be clear that you are a Marcus Fan addicted ...

[jeanbat]

REPLY TO SAXMANRH part 3 You should give lessons to your ears to manage with that and maybe learn yourself about the NEW instrumentistes before talking about what you can't argue correctly ....it's a part of the future man .

To end with ""Marcus' sound of clarity, and hear how murky Hadrien's bass sounds."" God it's priceless what you said ... You should try to learn better and specially hear on what is coming on Bass right now ...Matt Garrison , GWizdala , Tony GREY and many other ....

[saxmanrh]

I can respect you stand on this...I'm simply posting my opinion. I was actually responding to BodaciouslyHST from a week ago. My intentions were not to compare the two, but to simply rebutt that foolish comment from BodaciouslyHST. As far as learning about the current sounds of bass today. Clarity never goes out of style. There is no excuse for not having clarity on an instrument, especially when you have custom gear. I like to hear what is being played. Lesson number one of music.

[jeanbat]

REPLY TO SAXMANRH part 4

I really respect Mr M MILLER he has done GREAT music .. and he is part of the History in the Jazz and Electric bass music ...It's great to see him share the pleasure to PLAY music with a 23 years old Bassist as he did with Wilkenfeld ( last Namm) Please Mr Saxmanrh , don't see any competition in this ...See just ENORMOUS talents giving us a great pleasure .

I send u my best

[mattgally]

The problem since 5/6 years with Marcus , is that he is making the same records !!and his "musical maturity" as you said ..don't give him back CREATIVITY ..it seams it's gone !!

Anyway , it's still awsome on live ...

Best regards

[BodaciouslyHST]

Marcus merely restates and embellishes the melody over and over during his solo and tries to wow with unimpressive "tricks" (see 0:09).

Hadrien creates genuinely unique melodies, has inventive phrasing, uses chord and scale substitutions interestingly, and can actually build and release tension. Word to Miller devouts: You can't play only minor pentatonic and dorian and expect there to be tension and realease.

[DString20]

Marcus and Hadrien are playing together very well, so for all of those Marcus Miller haters out there that have nothing better to do but type negative comments stating that he is doing nothing but showing off really have no idea what Marcus is about, which is grooving and backing up Hadrien and making sure the groove is on lock

[tbcass]

Cut the crap. They are both great. I could say Hadrien is merely noodling around and creating nothing musical but lets face it, it's just a jam. Get off it!!

[grownnbass]

NOTHING MUSICAL????????????!!!!!!!!!!!­R YOU OUT OF YOUR FN MIND!!!!????....Do you not hear him connecting beautiful melodic scales with chords that only sound right in this song??...You're tone def I swear if you dont think he's not making nething musical here..It's truely mind boggling!

[resonantdoghouse]

Hmmm, more of a Coors light fan hey. Silver Bullet! :)

[BodaciouslyHST]

Hadrien totally walks all over miller in this. Far better musician, even in his young age.

[arnbassbaritone]

Marcus isn't not even trying to play seriously if you can't tell that than your stupid.

[rhythmsync]

Please lets not start comparing such Great great players against each other!

When you get to this standard there is no best. Just different characters:

[testosteronious]

I attended Namm this year and other than meeting and talking with Tal Wilkenfeld This was the highlight of the weekend. Thanks for the video.

[THRAPYST]

Marcus is a Bass Freak! If you haven't seen him LIVE, you are missing a mind blowing experience, PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mortycakes]

I agree. I saw him in october in Oslo(norway) he's a fantastic musician and my biggest idol on my bass

[mattgally]

Great jam with some of the greatest Bass players on the planet.

[corigraves]

wonderful playing by two Bass Masters ... what a pleasure !! :-)

[cbazzpastorious]

amazing hadrien !!

respect