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  • amazin shit i ever seen shaolin is the best

  • that must have been so frustrating for the taekwondo fighter, he couldn't even touch the shaolin fighter because he blocked every single strike =P

  • tkd guy was so close to getting knocked the fuck out.

  • i did some research on this video. this monk is 32nd generation of shaolin. his birth name is wang deqing(王德庆) and he got a given name shi xinghong(释行鸿)by shaolin. he study kongfu in shaolin since he was 9 years old and leave shaolin when he was 25.

    in 1999, he went to Hungary to teach kongfu.

    now he is the teacher of police force in Hungary and he is asked to write a test book about martial arts for the police force of Hungary

  • i have to say they both good. but i want to bet 200 bucks on the monk. Don't blame the video quality, at least we know kungfu can still kick ass.

  • My toaster records better than this... 

  • wow this monk is the first real martial artist i've seen on youtube hah

    not bad this video does NOT suck

  • @ThisReallySuckz besides bruce lee and a couple other like ehsan shafiq and andy hug. i have to agree

  • fuck this video is 100 years ago

  • @3000carriers as old as you

  • va ninguno de los dos se pego!!!!!!!!!!! por que ??? los dos retroceden como mamitas al ataque del otro. cuando uno retrocede asi seguro que el otro no te va a pegar pero lo seguro es que vos tampoco cuando quieras contraatacar . por eso se corta el ataque enemigo para meter el mio!!

  • @yeko1993 yeah but all these retards got their head so far up bruce lees ass they will never see, hes not a fighter lol

  • @123lebz bruce lee was the best fighter in the world??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMG you pathetic go suck his dick then lol hows his ass look? thats so ignorant to call one man the best fighter lol he never really fought anybody except punk americans who thought they knew how to fight and beat up people in movies that is all, if he were to get in the ring or cage today these guys today would destroy him=)

  • @yeko1993 exactly you could know every martial art in the world but if you dont have heart and right mind youll never win if you cant conquer yourselff

  • @123lebz monk would win bruce lee is a good martial artist and performer nothing more he wouldnt last against this monk or a cage fight

  • shitty video quality. still a good fight

  • Here is the background,

    Shaolin was performing or sth in Korea, and the korean asked them to fight as a request. Shaolin had no other means but to accept.

    And then the abbot of Shaolin told the fighter (Deqing Wang) to obey the Taekwondo rules, not to attack with hands and not to hurt the opponent. Also asked him to try to performance for audiences.

    That's why the monk didn't attack too much. Don't u think the monk didnt try his best?

  • @Bleakhand thx a lot. i wish one day i can watch the whole video

  • This demo is incredible. The comments are hilarious. Get a room guys.

  • O M G meeting that shaoling monk when he is pissed would be probably last thing in my file :D

  • did he die?

  • @manhenk

    no

  • When fighting your stand should be firm. i dont like tkd because focuses too much on kicks. Its flashy but when you are kicking, a low sweep kick will take you out easily

  • @AnjuABCDE

    You know sweep kicks are not allowed in TKD^^

  • @AnjuABCDE not if it's a jumping kick

  • Weapons, Strategy, And etc. Unarmed combat knowledge is a plus. Our Military has been out done in unarmed before and has still won many wars.

  • Women are very flexible.But at one point the bone cannot be hyperextended without being broken or pulled out of socket. Flexibility increases range of motion which the muscles will allow. But if a Joint can't go the other way..... Well it can't go the other way.

  • @BlackShinobiShozoku Well, the thing is that ''tongzigong'' allows far more range than it is conceivable. if we applied the exercise on a normal person, i think he'd be badly injured and he would be injured if you applied a sort of lock. But with extreme flexibility, the fighter will escape from ur grasp before u completely control him, that is of course, if you ever get this chance before u get killed.

  • @bozanism Do you think Jujutsuka are not flexible?

    We have techniques that can be nullified by better flexbility. Of course.(Ex. kubi hishigi)

    Doesn't really hinder much... Just move on the techniques that actually pull joints out of socket or hyper extend a joint. Which doesn't matter how flexible you are. And being flexible doesn't stop us from controlling. Our control comes from our pins and positioning. Which gives us leverage to control you.

  • @BlackShinobiShozoku Well, good luck at pinning us.

  • @bozanism

    I don't need luck it's what i'm trained to do. And it's extremely easy to do against someone who doesn't know how to escape.

  • @bozanism It will probably look like this. /watch?v=JjK0g-cDJI4

    But that's Brazillian Jiu Jitsu. I'm Traditional JuJutsu. I would use a throw preferably to a double leg takedown. So our takedowns are much harsher.

    But the result would be the same. We would establish control. Even though that guy was very flexible. And make them helpless. And we can choose to Choke, Break, Restrain, or Punish.

  • @foottothroat21 MMA shots are effective for ring and cage fighting. In the streets, MMA isnt the best ''martial art''. In contrast, shaolin kungfu is a deadly-art.

  • @bozanism

    Dude stop lying.

  • @BlackShinobiShozoku and what do you know? You've only seen the performance side of kungfu. And you've never been in a fight with a real kung fu fighter.

  • @bozanism

    Well I know that MMA is the best way to prove that you're good at unarmed combat without having to actually go out in maim someone. And obviously you don't realize that it doesn't take much to go that extra inch to maim someone. When someone is being tapped out by joint locking. It's because the hold isn't be applied in a manner where we're trying to break the arm. We're controlled enough to where we can decide whether to get a TAP or BREAK THEIR ARMS.

    That is deadly.

  • @ProfessorOhms No, MMA is good for ground fighting. Yes, of course you're controlled, you fight for fun and disses each other. And wait, I am hallucinating or is the Monk here holding back his powerful kicks? Then you pretend that breaking arms is deadly. Euh...excuse me but I swear I've seen someone with a white cast walking down the street. Oh, and what happened to Frank Shamrock? You should know about him since you know that much about MMA.

  • @bozanism

    MMA is a sport... not a style of fighting.

    And it's not always fighting for fun. Some times it's more than that.

    Powerful kicks? I rarely see bones being broken by kicks. And kicks are fully legal in MMA. Having the ability to break bones is very deadly. Do you think arm Joint locking is the only form of joint locking?

    Once I break your arm at the joint it's disabled. Before or after I could do a neck crank and block your carotid for extended period of time.

  • @BlackShinobiShozoku Well, take the example of Frank Shamrock who got kicked by Cung Le in a fight. Yes, joint lock is a powerful technique. However, thats if u succeed at locking down the opponent who doesnt strike ur neck or eyes-the weaker parts of a human body first. And if u dont believe me, the shaolin monks are pretty more flexible that im not sure ur joint locks will work. Watch ''tongzigong'', a sub-style of shaolin kungfu in which the practitioners become unbelievably flexible.

  • @bozanism

    Frank Shamrock took MANY kicks from Cung Le. Not just one.

    And striking necks and eyes won't help you against a Jujutsuka. Once you're on the ground with a powerful throw(which will probably break something already). We grab full control over our opponent. Therefore you're being controlled and we grab dominant positions. And if we want to... We'll smack you on the back of the head like a drum for play, before we break every bone in your body.

  • @BlackShinobiShozoku Well, Frank Shamrock ended up in hospital, not dead. what tells u that u will actually ever land a throw on us or before we strike ur temples, eyes, ears with a faint? Jujitsu is powerful for ground fighting, as i said before. But, it wouldnt be effective if the other fighter doesnt just throw punches with gloves and kicks and other attacks that will let u survive the hits so that u can resist and attack back.

  • @bozanism

    Because once we close the distance and easily take you down. Because you don't know any counters to takedowns or defend against grappling. Those "strikes" become nullified. Because then you'll be lending us your balance. You can strike my temples and ears all day at close range. It's not going to do much. Versus me being able to throw you into next tuesday.(Which you'll be lucky not to suffer broken ribs). Then completely nullify your deadly art on the ground.

  • @bozanism

    Frank Shamrock was told to stand up with Cung Le for one.

    And for two Cung Le has wrestling background. Therefore he can change gameplan once hes on the ground and possibly survive/defend a takedown or make it to his feet.

    Unless you have some knowledge about ground work. You won't last long in todays unarmed combat world. Unless it's two people who prefer to stand up and exchange strikes.

  • @bozanism

    So you're lying about saying arts used in MMA(which isn't a style) isn't best for streets.

    And thinking Shaolin Kung Fu is some godly "deadly" art.

    Trying to make it seem like knowing Kung Fu will make you be master at killing someone more than other arts. Or more prone to kill someone.

  • @ProfessorOhms I didn't say that shaolin kung fu is a godly ''deadly'' art. Its only true that it is a deadly art. If you studied a bit of history, you will read that Shaolin Monks were once forced to join the army in order to fight off Japanese pirates. During a fight, 50 Monks fought against hundreds of Japanese warrior. The war ended this way: 4 monks casualties and a hundred or so Japanese warriors. If shaolin kung fu is a sort of joke or an art of show, would it kill so many people?

  • @bozanism

    Shaolin Monks weren't the only Monks in that war.

    And furthermore it was due to having a very good strategic leader.

    And it wasn't hundreds of Japanese warriors. Actually most of the Wokou were Chinese. There was equal number of Monks and Pirates. And it was around 120 for both sides.

    This does nothing to prove Shaolin Kung Fu as deadly as contrast to other arts.

    Any art can become deadly once you place weapons in their hands.

  • @BlackShinobiShozoku Read this: The monks won their greatest victory at Wengjiagang.[18] On 21 July 1553, 120 warrior monks led by the Shaolin monk Tianyuan defeated a group of pirates and chased the survivors over ten days and twenty miles.[18] The pirates suffered over one hundred casualties and the monks only four.[18]. I have to admit that any martial art becomes deadly but shaolin kung fu is more efficient.

  • @bozanism

    That's not a big deal. That doesn't mean it's because the Monks Kung Fu them to death.

    It just could mean

    1)Better weapons

    2)Better strategy

    Where is proof shaolin kung fu is "more" efficient?

    Because I guarantee you it's not.

  • @BlackShinobiShozoku Yes, there is a possibility that the monks had better weapons and that they had better strategy. But it is also possible that its because shaolin kungfu is better since the general/strategist said that the shaolin monks were the best fighters. And using logic, 4 death and 100 death isnt the same amount of casualties and a simple explanation like: ''oh, their weapons were of better quality'' doesnt mean much.

  • @bozanism

    Yes it does.

    That's why our current american military suffers extremely few causalities.

    Versus the causalities of Pakistani/Afghanistan/Terroris­t.

    In war it usually does come down to weapons.

  • @ProfessorOhms The main differences between Shaolin Monks and MMA fighters is that the Shaolin Monks dont make propaganda about how their art is deadly and that Shaolin Kung fu is actually a real martial art where as MMA, by definition, is a sport.

  • @bozanism

    Correct MMA is a sport.

    MMA fighters are trained in real martial arts... that can be deadly as well.

  • very bad graphic

  • The Shaolin has some great moves look at 1:47 ... pretty sick blocking a kick with a jump :D

  • scheisse man, habt ihr gesehen wie dieser kung fu kämpfer die tritte abwehrt??

    schade dass die qualität etwas schwach ist

  • kung fu masters rlz

  • im a comedian for a day job and a street fighter at night :P beh!!!!!!!

  • that monk fucking owns

  • lol, that's because you don't know nunjutsu...

    In nunjutsu the cool thing is that...

    That is no dirty fighting... there is the victor and the defeated

  • @saponavedi

    You obviously don't know "ninjutsu" either.

  • автор где звук то и че такое отстойное качество видео

  • if that video is real i swear that tkd dude is pretty good, nd by the way its not karate that is taekwondo

  • yes he is

  • imagen horrivel :@ ¬¬

  • Oh and send me a video! Oh wait there wont be any time for grabbing video cameras...

    The proof will be two people walking around, one with a flattened face and the other with a high pitched voice and no eyes!

  • Lol seventeen posts of mindless arguement about what martial art is better in a street fight by two people who have no dictionary to look up street fight... Really... One claims to know a bit o ground and pound. The other claims to know a bit o poke the eyes and rip da ball sacks. I think they both need to go fight on the street and see who wins! Most likely there will be great take downs, fancy flying kicks and a whole lotta eyes and ballz layin around! It will be epic! ... Fail

  • Man, the monk don't even blink!!!

    Impressive!

  • every1 stop arguing over the internet its kinda rediculous. just enjoy that the movie is on here god.

  • I never changed any definition of a street fight. You tried to define a street fight, and I told you you were wrong. Videos online are always 1-on-1. There's people around to make sure if someone's hurt it gets taken care of. In spur of the moment situations where a no one has time to grab the video recorder, THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE CASE. You're stupid to think that every fight you see on the internet automatically translates to "this is how every fight goes down in real life".

  • No, that's a planned bare knuckle boxing match. Ever see an MMA fighter get poked in the eye? You know why it happens? Because they don't train to protect against eye pokes, they train to protect against punches. As long as a fist isn't being throwing, they let hands real close. And in a real fight where someone is really trying to hurt you, or where you're dealing out GnP, they might go for an eye gouge. MMA is a SPORT. Kung Fu is SELF DEFENSE. There's a DIFFERENCE in those meanings.

  • Wait wait. So you're telling me that you think an actual street fight is a premeditated event in which people have time to grab video cameras and shit? You are stupid. There's a difference between a street fight and a bare knuckle fight retard. A street fight is actually getting jumped by people. That's not over exaggerating. People having weapons isn't over exaggerating either. You're a complete moron if you think EVERY fight happens like it does for a Kimbo video. Even they have rules.

  • But training for MMA means training based on a specific rule set. There's no reason for them to learn anything outside of what they can use in the octagon. And yes, martial arts do employ dirty tactics, because martial arts were developed in a time when your opponent was literally trying to kill you by any means necessary, and normally you were fighting more than 1 guy. But I guess you don't understand that because you've been a complete idiot so far about it.

  • But you're saying the only way MMA fighters could win is with a set list of rules. Ever see a UFC fight where a guy gets tagged real good? Yeah, he's done for a good 2 or 3 minutes. It's effective. Kung Fu isn't made for competition, it's made for self defense against multiple attackers, unlike BJJ. While you're doing a flying armbar someone else is gonna brain you with someone other than his fist. Different styles for different situations.

  • Even UFC has rules in a real fight try your jujitsu on a kungfu guy and he will pluck out your eyes or maybe rip off your ball sack. Thats reality. UFC just has less rules than boxing or k1. It is still not what would happen in a real life or death situation.

  • Check kung Fu Toa out , full contact style of kung fu. Founder of this style was Master Mirzaii who dedicated his life to martial art, he spent so many years of his life in china and did so many dofferent styles, Kung Fu Toa is fast, powerful and

    beautiful to watch. meditation is also big part of this beautiful Art. Most TKD guys in Iran did Toa along side TKD, that's why Iran has been TKD world champ for so many years on and off.

  • i dont think it's a real shaolin monk because real traditional kung fu is not competitive it's an ART

  • An art if one chooses or the ultimate weapon in case of defense.

  • ShaoLin monks used Kung Fu to defend there monasteries from bandits. You are thinking of Wushu.

  • I agree...Shaolin Kung Fu is not meant for competition, it is meant for defense of the self and others.

  • there aren't any real shaolin monks

  • the guy in the orange is a shaolin monk, is he is not supposed to hurt the TKD guy he didn't hit him on purpose. he is a MONK. he fights for self defense.

  • wow,

    i'm amazed at ur retardness.

    its a competition,

    they wouldn't come out just to defend.

  • omg i DID NOT write that, ok? it was my brother using my account.

  • Are you stupid or what , in martial art you are not supposed to do any competition, Shaolin Monk use the traditional Kung Fu for self defence not for competition like fighting a TKD , A real monk will not do a competition , and a real tkd or kung fu or karate TRADITIONAL will fight for self defence only . There is a big difference between MMA (sport with competition) and Kung Fu or an other martial art (ART , SELF DEFENCE, health conditioning) So please S T F U u are the retarded here !

  • BTW i'm talking to you hsk8787

  • @shoosh6666 hahaha, true true

  • wow that shaolin guys defence is amazing...

  • holy crap.his defence was awesome

  • dont fuck wit a ShaoLin monk lol

  • it's not that tkd is ineffective people just use it wrong. if you use tkd in the same aggressive manner as muay thai fighters and don't try to be flashy it is very effective. A lot of fighters who come from tkd and point sparring just aren't used to being hit hard, once you get past that they are great fighters.

  • PWAHAHAHAHAA, HAHAHAHAHAA.

  • Nerds bitch?

    HAHAHHAHA.

  • to say it on this way the movie sucks it has to be many years old ...

  • Karate is no match for shaolin kung fu. There is Kung fu, and maybe karate can beat some kung fu. But karate can not beat SHAOLIN kung fu. The monk in this vid looks as if he can kill the guy in 2 seconds lol, looks like he's either going easy or he just sucks lulll, watch some shaolin kung fu sometimes, my friend =]

  • Karate and Kung Fu are both great styles but I gotta agree with this one Kung Fu is based on real life self defence and Karate is based mostly on competition, it their on par in a competition then I would have to say the Monk could kill the other guy in seconds real life, he waz holding back because he was not aloud to hit any vital organs or finishing blows

  • this shaolin fighter is not that good, but still see what he does.

    Kung Fu focuses more on defence

  • theres SOOOOOOO much of kung fu styles and techniques :) u can't say kung fu focuses more on defence. This guy focus on defence but some kung fu style almost only attack. Like jeet kune do...

  • lol not that good?? funny how sooo many ppl on youtube are kung fu, karate etc masters....

  • One style can never beat the other.

    It is that one fighter that beats the other.

  • FInnally someone makes some sense on this matter

  • shaolin

  • I dont think so

    mctitskfu it depends on the fighters, im a Black Belt Taekwondo fighter and i've sparred with many kung fu fighters who could'nt dominate me!

  • black belt im so scared. dont you have friends or a tv to do something other in your freetime?

  • no need to lie.

  • He's not lying. Getting a black belt in Taekwondo is funking easy. You can get one in 5 years if you try hard. IMO Taekwondo is a pansie martial art.

  • i wasn't talking about that part, I was talking about the kung fu fighters. But in away it is true. if your good at what you do.

  • In actuality, the shaolin fighting style isn't too great but the actual training itself is. It isn't the style that makes the fighter, it is the fighter itself. This means a boxer can beat a shaolin fighter if the boxer had tactics, speed and strength as well as stamina. Do not worry, I know well enough how powerful shaolin can be if it is in the hands of a great fighter, I know way to much >.>

    My family tends to have one fighter in each branch down. I am the fighter for this gen.

  • These shaolin monks are too strong they have an extremely hard training

  • I'd like to see Silva try to last against Bruce Lee or Tony Jaa even. Trust me dude, you are way off base with that one.

  • Anyone can beat up Bruce Lee.  He's dead.

  • lmao

  • until his zombie woops your ass

  • Silva is a faggot.

  • Whehe, You've never heard of true shaolin power didnt you? The shaolin is no show, not like the taekondo practicers and etc.

    This is the 1 fight of a real shaolin not even doing his best.And this is the result. MAN, why do you think the shaolin monks do not fight for show? They're too strong. they train iron skills and 8 hours a day! C'mon man!

  • shaolin kung fu i heard uses chi . they run it through the body in order to be supurb to almost any attack .who ever knows shaolin kung fu can wup anyones ass

  • nice

  • why did you put thumbs down on jstyloo its true what he said damn it

  • There isn't an answer to that.

  • praying mantis :))

  • I think shaolin has more fights with art, and protecting.. You see the shaolin fighter is blocking every kick

  • yeah that monk could read all the movement by the tkd fighter but if we only see this clip the way how to know whos the winner is to see the last clip.. if the referee let that monk finish his movement, its gonna be different story mate.. hahaha

  • doesnt anyone else find this video just a practice routine type of thing? look at how the orange guy magically taps the guys leg and they go back down...anyone not fooled by their flying flashy kicks besides me?

  • I agree. This was a point sparring match at best, and a demonstration at worst. I know everyone says the guy in the orange won, but the reality is that neither of them did any damage. Their defense consisted of running away, and that was pretty much the "fight": One guy charges in with a bunch of kicks, the other guy runs out of the ring. In the kung-fu guy's case, he also used some unecessary blocks and jumps, like at 1:48 when he put his nuts in the path of fire.

  • Is that taekwondo or karate?

  • its shaolin and TKD

  • is the monk using bagua?

  • no, snake style

  • search for "shaolin frog style". that's so funny. but tbh, i practise nothern shaolin, so don't think, that i am a hater xD

  • Pfft anyone in there prime couldnt touch this guy in the yellow in there best fight. Good luck.

  • they could kill u instantly

    Wallopnuts: What a load of ballet dancing mother fuckers

    Shaolin master: dont insult

    wallopnuts: o yea? Kicks like a sissy*

    shaolin master: grabs *SNAP*

    wallopnuts: *crys*

  • wtf are u on about you fucking bell end go and suck your dad off and when he has finished unloading his salty cargo on your rag head go and learn how to construct a sentence that makes sense now fuck right off

  • i understood it

    u must be retarded..

  • sorry i dont argue with girls

  • yh.. wow amazing comeback.. dick -.-

    since wen did LIAM become a girls name..

    and if u think this is shit y watch it in the first place..

    if u dont like it click off it.

    there's no point in posting argumentative comments on a video u dont like cos u wont win.

    every1 else who watched this probly liked it. and the ppl that didn't just probly clicked off of it.

    and btw ''ballet dancing motherfuckers''

    stop tryin to hide the fact that u do ballet u pussy

  • seriously u suck at comebacks

    1. dont call me darling u queer

    and 2. go do some ballet since u obvz love it

  • oh and btw, i wasn't christened u twat i'm an atheist.....

  • really is calling me a girl the only insult u have??

    r u trying to hide the fact that u cant get a girl?

    or r u just a plain transvestite?

    either way u want i'll snap u in 2 u cunt

  • This monk named is shi xing hong.

    32nd generation, Master Monk, on world tour in 2000,

    friendly challenged by TKD 5 times Gold Olympian,

    with set rules.

    Google shi xing hong & Youtube.

  • a true master is a true master regardless of the style practiced, however it must be said that all Martial Arts have the same origin and that origin is the Shaolin Temple. The first the monk in my temple taught me is never to disrespect any other form of martial arts because all styles are worthy.

  • gay!

  • someone lick my puss P

  • 2 This vid made me sOOoOoOo wet LOL P

  • LOLZ, a muay thia fighter would fucking kill both of them fools EPIC LULZ.

  • LOLZ a Sanshou fighter would fuking kill the Muai Thai fighter. EPIC LULZ

  • and what u do?

  • LoL no sport wins it from shaolin kung fu mates ;)

  • except karate...

  • both the fighters are good but both of them were playing too nice .

  • the tkd guy is actually not bad....compared to most tkd guys in youtube...

  • most teakwondo guys are fuked up on weigh powder proteins

  • haha...yeah probably...but those guys who uses weigh powder protein aren't suppose to be big??

  • not big but they suffer from tiredness and energy drainage especially if they masturbate then one hand is bigger than the other and then one body side is bigger than other side so they end up walking like ruffnecks from new york

  • Look up Serkan Yilmaz, he can take down this monk easily cause he actually strikes his opponents. The monk is quick with his hands on the defense that's all.

  • helz yeah im taking that combo that shaolin guy did with me to my next tournament

  • awesome.

  • for starters taekwondo people have no idea whatsoever how t block, how to punch or use hands in combat, how to throw, how to grab... they only know how to kick.... taekwondo dont use blocks, its actually illegal to block in a taekwondo competition.. i use to do it.. when they spar you have to let the other person hit you.. equals ineffective

  • taekwondo has beautiful high kicks but why do people think that, that is all tkd is good for? taekwondo self defense("hoisinsul" in korean) consists of low and midsection kicks , hand ,knee and elbow strikes all of which are very powerful and practical.the high fancy kicks are only practiced as a sport.and believe it or not blocking is allowed.look it up .

  • blocking is not allow you suppose to leave you arms by your side never raising you hands, cause taekwondo dont punch in competition. taekwondo is all about kicks.. ive learnt taekwondo punches and blocks are rarely in a lesson its all about kicks... but i love taekwondo... but everything orignated from gung fu

  • yeah thats if you practice WTF taekwondo which is just a shit version of the ITF, the real taekwondo and belive or not, the sport competition are not the heart of martial arts.... "its all about kicks" ... ¬¬

  • I did taekwondo for many years, and we did kicks, blocks, elbows, stances. In taekwondo, you do raise your hands, its called your guard, and your supposed to keep it up normally. Atleast thats what we were taught in taekwondo.

    you can perform very powerful punches by using a longstance.

  • I agree with u geoff I used to take taekwondo as a kid back in russia and we had our guard up and used to punch in sparings. the real tkd logo has a fist in it for a reason.

  • yes i agree being a shoaling monk takes dedication as does UFC, but it doesnt mean that everyone that goes to the shoalin temple to study becomes a good fighter. and it also doesnt mean anyoe that does UFC is a good fighter.....

    but thats what you seem to claim, in saying that shoalin monks must be goo