I don't want to be a vegetarian, seriously. One, meat is way too good and gives you proteins to strengthen muscles. Two, we are omnivores, right? Third, Free range chickens ftw, (they actually taste better).
@prb1180, I don't know how to avoid eating food. People advocating that all humans should be vegetarian are really wasting their time. If you want to be vegetarian, great!
Of course I do not advocate the torture of animals nor would I want to eat such animals. I prefer eating completely free animals and do it most of the time.
@eggonpetraw Every human being supports the slaughter of animals whether it be directly or indirectly ... ever here of a kill free farm ? even organic farms must rely on animal manure from animals generally raised for slaughter to be economically viable .... most of the produce you swallow down without a thought of where it comes from has lead to the death of an animal
@eggonpetraw because I like to eat meat , eggs and dairy products ... I raise hunt and fish most of what my family consumes meat wise ... to be conscious of what you eat and how it is raised is just as big of a commitment and lifestyle choice as being vegan ... more so in the feeling of the soul cleansing primal honestyt that is responsibly growing killing and cleaning your own food ... the disconnection from the real world of where our food comes from and how our animals are treated
@eggonpetraw continued .... is the down fall of our society !!! me and those like me probably have more respect and understanding of animals than the average person especially those who consider themselves animal rights activists ... I am probably rambling now : ) .... I like to eat meat it is natural for humans to consume meat on some level and for me and my lifestyle choice I want to eat all the natural free range delicious protien I can get from the woods fields farms and waters around me
@eggonpetraw continued again ; ) .... I also do not try to convert any one to my views I am a live and let live type of person till someone tries to infringe upon my rights ... why may I ask does nearly every vegan vegetation etc... try to convert me to their lifestyle ???
@prb1180 no I am not !!! see you are coming around !! getting a little common sense are we ? ... must have been some meat broth accidentally added to your veggie soup or something ... the idea that an animal that is solely alive for the purpose of eating by " human animals " especially one that depends solely on humans for food and care has any form of rights is complete and utter nonsense ....
@84jgk That would be your unfortunate speciesist opinion. No animals are alive for the purpose of eating by humans. They are alive for their own purposes. Just like black people are not alive to serve white people.
@84jgk and as far as your comment "last time I checked, we were not serving up humans on the menu," that proves my point, fool. We serve up non-human animals because we (most of us) are speciesist and believe them to be lesser than us... and they unfortunately can't tell us to stop or make laws that prevent us from taking their lives and otherwise exploiting them.
i love to eat meat i have been doing it my whole life and will never stop i just moved onto a cattle ranch and after seeing how we treat the cattle i started to look at other cattle farmer and relized that some p of our food comes from really bad conditions and that upset me cows chickens and any other animal that is raised for meat should at least be happy while there alive and be keept in a good enviroment
well i think its great farming like this is the best free stress of these chickens give good meat and for all those vegeterians one thing animals were put in this planet for one thing to live reproduce and die thats all , if you dont eat meat no worrries i´ll eat meat on your behalf ignorante.
Is it okay for you to drive your car and squish bugs, catepillars, birds, rodents, and whatever else is in your path? Just wondering! You really should think out your logic before you condemn people for meat consumption. Tell your story to a Grizzly Bear,LOL!
@GetusomeTx There is a difference between complex mammals, avian etc and insects. Animals like gorillas are almost human - basic insects don't have much of a psychology at all. There is a continuum of animal life from extremely complex to basic. If you give rights to a chimpanzee it doesn't necessarily imply that ladybugs merit the same right.
although it will always be sad that the animals are killed, this is a great little place and this is how farming SHOULD BE done. the chickens look healthy too
leave people who eat meat alone and we won't get so angry at you! If we choose to take the life of an animal to eat it then LEAVE US ALONE! Just keep eating your veggies and mind your own business!!!
@TheSonicchick he is a poultry technician (knows alot about them and probably experiments with what breed produces best etc) and he wants to know what the strain of chicken this is
@LolCaramelz you should respect them even though they have different views than you. And there are vegiterians that are straight ya know, maybe you should learn the definition of "faggot" it means gay people not every vegeterian is gay. regards another meat consumer
I know how to change the meat factory... KFC needs to offer free range chicken double down at 10.99 and factory chicken double down at 4.99 and see what happens.
Your going to have to kill either the plant or animal in order to survive, both were once alive, with the natural urge to survive. Once eaten by someone it will need to be replaced. Both ways have their own downside, its the consumers choice.
Chicken houses controlled by the big 4 meat corporations use houses the chickens stand in their own crap 24/7 and are fed soy or corn. Oh i forgot to mention the antibiotics. Which chicken would you rather eat?
@prb1180 a chicken is an individual ??? like a person is an individual ??? last time i checked we were not serving up human on the menu ... the problem is you morons see an animal as an equal ....
This video is absolutely disgusting. Trying to make out that killing can be excusable depending on how it's done! Animals are not ours to use no matter what. That should be a blatantly obvious fact to anyone who claims to care about non-human animals. You should be ashamed of yourself, CIWF.
But think about it this way- if you were a chicken, would you rather live a peaceful life out on a green pasture even if your eventual fate is to be killed or never live at all? After all, everything dies at some point.
I think the quality of an animal's life before it's death should be the deciding factor on whether or not meat-eating can be called humane. Not all death is cruel.
That is a deeply speciesist thing to say. It's OK for you not to have realised that, as we're all brought up in a society based on exploitation, but I hope you can come to realise that killing for one's personal benefit can never be ethical. Animals cannot be considered "property". For as long as animals are thought of as mere commodities, the suffering of factory farms will continue, so even from a welfarist point of view, only a complete end to exploitation could put an end to this torture.
There is no such thing as "speciesism." Racism is inaccurate because the differences between human races are so minor. But there are major differences between different animal species, including humans. That is not to say that animals do not deserve respect and compassion. They definitely do. But it means realizing that in reality, a chicken does not know that it will eventually be slaughtered, and it cannot be worried by this knowledge.
It doesn't matter if the chicken knows it will be killed, killing is still wrong. And whatever the differences between species, we still share the ability to feel pain and seek happiness, so to say speciesism doesn't exist is absurd. It's an excuse to ignore the big change you need to make to your lifestyle by going vegan. Exploiting a sentient being can never be ethical.
What the fuck makes you think they aren't? They have all the sensory organs we have and a brain and nervous system. If you really think they can't feel then you're just bullshitting yourself because you're a coward. Too fucking scared to admit you were wrong to eat them , because that would mean you have to change what you eat! You're a fucking idiot and a waste of space.
If you don't feel guilty about your "position on the food chain", then it's I who feels sorry for you.
Look up the definition of "sentient." Chickens are DUMB. I know because I raise them and eat them. They are delicious and nutritious. They are one of the most cost-efficient converters of plant matter to protein on the planet.
Well you're obviously quite "dumb" yourself, so I suppose you wouldn't mind if I killed you and ate you? Do you eat everyone you think is "dumb"? You're just a disgusting murdering scumbag.
Go ahead and try, pussy. I think you would find that this sentient being uses tools - the kind that pussies like you are afraid of. The ones that ensure that I survive to procreate and you do not.
Mr. Darwin is on my side of this particular argument. You're an idiot. I'm done here.
Wow, you're so primative! You should be in a museum. "Me survive to procreate, you not!" hahahahahahahahaha you fucking Neanderthal! So all you care about is that you "survive to procreate"! Go on then, use whatever frightening tool it is you need to survive. Personally, I don't need one because I live in a civilised society, and I'm not "afraid" of yours! Fuckin hick.
@prb1180 My equipment works just fine, thanks. I'm also the youngest of seven children of parents who ate meat and drank milk every day. He had to tie a knot in it after I was born because they had enough already. You are as stupid as the rest of these meat-haters.
@klaptongroovemaster I didn't ask how your equipment worked, or how your dad's or your granddad's or your great granddad's equipment worked, at the time you were all conceived. My point is that you are being sexist and thinking you are macho when components in meat and dairy are known to cause impotence, *over time,* by blocking normal blood flow to the penis.
@prb1180 All the women in my life: my very fertile mother, my three sisters, my lovely lady... they ALL consume meat and dairy. They are all in good health. I never even mentioned gender once in anything I posted here. YOU are clearly the one with a hangup about gender.
You are also operating under a sexist gender stereotype that since I am male, you assume that sex is all-important to me. Actually, if I had to choose between delicious food and sex, I would choose good food.
@klaptongroovemaster You were calling people "pussies" for not eating meat. That is sexist. I'm not sure why you keep mentioning the fertility of your family members, male or female. I didn't say anything about sex being important to you because you are male. I think it's time for you to stop commenting... clearly all that meat is also clogging the arteries to your brain.
@prb1180 The person I called a "pussy" was the one who threatened to kill me. But you have nothing to say to fucking idiots like that, do you? Oh no. Nevermind the fanatic who threatens to kill a HUMAN. You idiots who hate your own species should just do the species a favor and remove yourselves.
You are the stupid fuck who doesn't recognize your position in the food chain. Take your own advice and stop commenting. Because I can do this all day.
@klaptongroovemaster No one threatened to kill you, you idiot. He was making a point. You had said non-human animals could be killed and eaten because they are "dumb." He pointed out that you are dumb, but would still not want to be killed and eaten. I don't hate or discriminate against ANY species, human or non.
If we are supposed to eat animals, why are we healthier without them?
*braces for comeback regarding person klgm knows who went vegan and died or had severe nutritional deficiencies.
@prb1180 You should eat whatever you want. I'm not the one calling someone else a murderer for their nutritional choices. And no... I don't have any anecdotal evidence to support what diet is most healthy.
If we are NOT supposed to eat animals, why are they so delicious?
@klaptongroovemaster Clearly, you are the one who needs to look up the definition of "sentient." It has nothing to do with intelligence (though chickens are actually not that dumb and have complex social structures). It has to do with "the ability to feel, perceive or be conscious, or to have subjective experiences."
hahaha have a guess, dude! I'm sure you're not that stupid! :)
And don't be smart and say it's as bad to kill plants, that's completely different and it's a pathetic excuse! People have actually said that to me before. They also say it's bad to eat plants because insects are harmed in the process, but of course that's not on purpose so it's another pathetic excuse.
@JudeMurphyDublin And how is it a completely different thing? Why are you accusing those who choose to eat humanely-raised meat of being "murderers" when you yourself take the life of another organism? How does dining solely on plants elevate you from speciesism? We're all speciesists. It's how the world works - we're part of a food chain. Look, I'm a Vegetarian and I'm all for respecting nature and treating animals humanely, but I try to be realistic on my views.
It's a completely different thing because plants are not sentient. They don't feel pain or fear. Animals, on the other hand, are the same thing as we are. They deserve to belong only to themselves, to live free from needless oppression. I don't believe that you can't understand that a sentient being needs to be treated with respect, you're just making excuses so you don't have to bother making an effort.
@JudeMurphyDublin It's been proven that plants react to certain stimuli and their environment, and have the ability to go into shock. One species for instance can sense when it's being devoured by insects and actually emits a pheromone to attract the insects' predators. Going by your philosophy, are you suggesting it's okay to take the life of an organism just because it functions on a different level of consciousness that you can't understand? That's speciesism right there.
Well all I can say is that if you're so concerned about plants then I hope you doing your best to keep their harm to a minimum. In fact, going vegan would do that too because far more plants are fed to livestock than are used for human consumption. Even if you are right about plants, I don't see how anyone could be so un-empathetic towards other animals that they'd compare the two.
All anyone can do is try to cause as little harm as they can, it's the people who don't even try that make me sick.
@JudeMurphy I understand where you're coming from, and I like your passion - but I just think you're directing your anger toward the wrong source. Instead of focusing on family farms trying to earn a living (in the most humanely way possible as far as livestock is concern) focus on the real culprit of suffering: human overpopulation. That's what's increasing the demand for large factory farms, and it accounts for the destruction of ecosystems (of both plants and animals) through deforestation.
@JudeMurphy Oh, and I'm very empathetic towards animals and ANY form of nature - I lose sleep over issues of animal abuse. But considering we all rely on eating other organisms to survive, and people are never, ever going to stop eating meat, I forced myself to change my perspective, view the environment as a whole, and be grateful that there are at least some people who care enough to be responsible where their meat comes (the free-range farms)
@Cheeseclothdemon That makes absolutely no sense. You "lose sleep over issues of animal abuse," yet see the solution to "change your perspective" to not give a damn and call the rest of us unrealistic. Our goals would be more "realistic" if more people who claim to care would help out and try to end the abuses, thank you very much.
@prb1180 Have you ever heard of the genocide in Darfur and apartheid in South Africa? What about the religious persecution in Middle Eastern countries? Child sex exploitation in Europe and America? (the list goes on) Or does your only news source come from Peta's website? How can you expect to end animal abuse when humans can't even treat EACHOTHER humanely? That's what I mean by being realistic. Until humans can pull their own shit together, animal right advocacy is sort of pointless.
@Cheeseclothdemon Uh, yeah, I have. And how does my (or your) being vegan harm those people? I get what you mean by "realistic" and I'm asking you, if you care about animals and people, what is preventing you from sparing some animals and going vegan? Is some not better than all? The fact that some selfish bastards might never go vegan because they don't care does not mean that you can't. Your arguments just make no sense.
@prb1180 Oh, and I never said that I don't "give a damn". And I do lose sleep over animal abuse, which is why you won't see me defending those cramped, horrid factory farms. But there are no animals being abused here.
@Cheeseclothdemon These videos do not tell the whole "free-range" story. No matter what farm animals are *raised* on, cows and pigs are forced into repeat pregnancies, with calves stolen from their moms at birth. Almost all (99%) male chicks are still ground up or suffocated at birth. Animals are still killed (usually hanging upside-down) at a tiny fraction of their normal lifespan, with the exception of a few breeders. That's not from Peta, who I don' t support. That's just the truth.
@LolCaramelz Excuse me but do you know the definition of sentient? Here you go: Lifeform with the capability to feel sensation, such as pain; Conscious or aware; Experiencing sensation or feeling.
It is a known fact that they are sentient. If you want to defend eating them you need to come up with another reason.
@Cheeseclothdemon Do we really need to talk about plants not having central nervous systems and therefore not feeling pain? Really? "Speciesism" refers to sentient species within the animal kingdom. Also, one who eats animals kills more plants than vegans.
No unnecessary killing of animals just to please our taste buds is ever humane. Have you ever witnessed animal slaughter? "Humane" farming -ahem, slavery - always ends in slaughter. Would you want to be the one to slit an animal's throat?
@prb1180 What does "not feeling pain" have to do with anything? The plant is still ALIVE. The chicken in that video isn't going to feel much either when a farmer sneaks up behind it while it's happily grazing and slips a knife into its brain. And Richard D. Ryder's definition of speciesism is simply "prejudice against non-humans based on physical differences"; therefore, it applies to EVERYTHING DIFFERENT FROM HUMAN BEINGS. Humane farming=slavery? Are you joking?
@Cheeseclothdemon "What does not feeling pain have to do with anything?" Do I really need to answer that? And you really think chickens are "snuck up upon by the farmer while happily grazing?" And that even if so, the stabbing would not hurt them?
Breeding, entrapping, and turning into food that we don't need = slavery. There is no way around that. Get this "humane" idea out of your head. There is no such thing as "humane" slavery and murder. Are *you* joking?
@Cheeseclothdemon As far as the meaning of "speciesism," I once again bring you back to the fact that plants do not feel pain or feel emotions, since they do not have central nervous systems. If you don't believe that, I would recommend calling up your third grade teacher? Or are you still in second grade?
@prb1180 As I stated in a previous post, plants have the ability to go into shock and respond chemically to stimuli (look it up); there's so much we don't know about plant life; and your response has nothing to do with the meaning of speciesism.
@Cheeseclothdemon Plants "responding chemically to stimuli" is not the same as responding due to nerve endings. Do I seriously have to explain this to you? "There's so much we don't know about plant life." Okay. We DO, however, know that sentient animals feel pain and have emotions (hence, sentient) and have a strong desire to live. We have to eat, so why not refrain from eating the creatures we KNOW are sentient and desire to live? And again, animals eat plants, so (continued...)
@prb1180 Can't argue with you that larger livestock consume massive amounts of plant matter,and I would be glad if ranchers stopped breeding cows and pigs altogether, but chickens are another story. They're a major protein-rich food-source in poorer countries that lack the right conditions for agriculture; try telling a struggling family in a third-world country whose livelihood depends on poultry that they're simply trying to "satisfy their tastebuds"...to use your own words.
@Cheeseclothdemon Funny - earlier you didn't mention only chickens being okay. But then with you supposedly being a vegetarian, your entire argument makes no sense. Chickens still have to convert plant matter to muscle. There is still a loss. I would not say that to a person living in a third-world country who is forced to eat animals to survive. I tell that to people in first-world countries who eat animals without any such need, robbing the poor of grains/ vegetables they could have eaten.
@prb1180 I know chickens consume plant matter...but chickens don't consume nearly as much as cows and pigs, don't pollute as much, and don't take up as much space. And the reason I didn't mention only "chicken's being okay" because the OPPORTUNITY NEVER CAME UP AND IT WASN'T RELEVANT AT THE TIME. I'm just defending humane farmers. Oh, yes. and I'm Vegetarian, not Vegan. Look up the difference.
@Cheeseclothdemon Your argument was that I shouldn't say I am against speciesism if I eat plants/ plants are living things, etc. I was explaining how eating animals uses MORE plants than just eating plants and how we have to eat to live. Chicken eaters consume MORE plants than vegans. You are still calling some farmers humane. THERE IS NO HUMANE FARMING/ KILLING FOR FOOD. And as I mentioned and you apparently did not notice, 99% of male chicks are killed at birth. There is no defending that.
@Cheeseclothdemon And let's not forget the whole chickens feeling pain/ wanting to live/ not wanting to be slaves thing. Ya kinda dropped that topic, along with a few others. Got any other tired arguments up your sleeve, Cheesyloincloth?
@prb1180 Fine. It's not like you've tried to dodge the topic whenever I acknowledge that a plant is a living thing too. Here goes: It's insane to believe that it's murder for one to consume another organism for food, while you yourself do the same thing. The slave thing? Ok. Domestic chickens are slaves. Would you rather human beings go back to hunting and trapping in the forests for meat? With the population we have now? And decimate whatever wildlife we have left?
@Cheeseclothdemon I have not tried to "dodge" any topic you've brought up. I've addressed them. Plants ARE living things, but unlike animals, who both of us choose not to eat, they don't feel pain or have emotions, therefore it doesn't BOTHER them if they are grown to be eaten, while we have to eat something and eating animals uses MORE plants than does eating plants, so your points about eating plants being on the same line as eating animals - chickens or otherwise - are lousy. Clear?
@JudeMurphyDublin So is it unethical for a lion to kill a Zebra or a Chicken to kill a grass hopper ??? by your theory we are all sentient beings and part of nature ... therefore is it not natural for man to kill and eat ??? Does the lion weep for the death of the zebra and his full belly ... I think not ... the problem is we have become so lazy and fat we no longer realize we once competed along side such creatures for that healthy delicious free range sustenance
@84jgk No, it's not unethical for a lion to kill a zebra, as they don't know any better and they have no other option. I understand that animal exploitation causes suffering, and I have the option to live without participating in it, so I choose to cause the least suffering. I hate when people use the excuse that it's "natural" to eat animals, as it's merely an identification of a trait, rather than a reason not to change it. Nature is an observation of one's tendencies, not an ethical standard.
If given a sunny pasture to roam, the company of other chickens, a healthy diet, shelter from the weather, and freedom from human harassment, a chicken will undoubtedly be happy. A quick compassionate death is an appropriate end to such a life, and if done correctly, will cause little pain or stress.
I 100% agree with you that animals are not commodities. They have thoughts and feelings, and can suffer. But it is possible to provide a captive animal a humane life and a humane death.
There's no such thing as a compassionate/humane death. Would you consider it compassionate if someone crept up behind you tomorrow and shot you dead? You'd never know it happened, so by your logic there would be nothing wrong with that! And I know you wouldn't want to be shot dead tomorrow so if you just practice a bit of empathy then I'm sure you'll agree it's not fair to do the same thing to another.
So if a person is in severe pain due to chronic illness and begs to be killed it is inhumane to provide them with euthanasia? Death is not always evil.
And there is a difference between murdering someone unexpectedly and killing a farm animals. If someone killed me, or hunted a wild animal for that matter, that person would be taking the life of another without providing it anything. But with a farm animal, without the farmer it would never
have been born in the first place. So when killing a farm animal, the farmer is simply taking back the animal's life after having provided for its existence in the first place. Sure, the animal may not have lived out its natural life span, but a short, blissful existence is surely better than nothing? There are many animals that naturally live very short lives, and we don't see anything cruel about that.
Although this is not common, it is possible. I would much prefer a world with no meat to a world with factory farms. But I would prefer humane sustainable farms to a world with no meat. After all, we can provide these animals with a better life than possible in the wild. The brief moment of pain they might feel at death is nothing compared to death by snake constriction. Death is a natural part of life. If we were to truly eliminate "speciesism," we would have to destroy all predator species.
@JudeMurphyDublin speciesist ??? is that like racist or sexist ??? sounds to me you are putting the life of an animal bred to be raised for food on the same level as a humans which makes you sound like you have some type of mental deficiency
Just like regular shit vegetables and "organic" vegetables.
Its just like "free range" meat ;)
There's no such thing as "organic".
But I'm sure you brag about buying "organic" vegetables lol!
BTW, you obviously haven't seen how Kobe beef is treated. Kobe beef is the highest ranked beef and the steers they get the meat from is pampered their whole life.
Not if you actually know where the meat comes from like I do. Like I keep saying, I live in the midwest so most of the meat here dont have chemicals or hormones in them unlike factory farms. Gotta love vegans ignorance :).
P.S. It is manly, something you obviously aren't strong enough to do ;)
Actually, it's not classy. Classy is showing respect, not bashing anyone or any group thus you aren't classy ;).
And I brought up pitbulls because you say you support PETA and say all animals deserve to live, yet pitbulls dont? Why don't we kill off the hippos too since they KILL more people than any other animal?
Actually, people send animals to PETA to HELP the animals find homes, NOT kill them which is what PETA does to 90% of the animals they take in. Only a handful will have homes, the rest are mass killed by PETA.
ACTUALLY, Most shelters take advantage of PeTAs free euthanasia program and send them animals that are unadoptable or that they just dont have room for.
You dont think they are aware that most of the animals they send to PeTA will be killed?
Let me tell you what they are aware of
They save money by using PeTas free euthanasia program and PeTA gets all the heat for killing the animals :)
You have much to learn about PETA than what they seem.
I understand you're too brainwashed to believe that PETA are puppy and kitten killers. I'll send you a vid on here that shows how "nice" PETA are to animals.
1. How do you know that plants don't feel pain? Plants are self aware since they do know when to bloom so they can make more of themselves.
2. Funny that you brought up Hitler who is well known to be a vegetarian. The only ones that say Hitler isn't a vegetarian are vegans and vegetarians just like how some people deny the Holocaust.
So if you want to brag about being vegan to boost your ego, then go right ahead.
You have yet to quote me saying that. If I didn't care about animals, then why would I try to be a vet/zoologist and work at an animal shelter?
BTW, PETA has said having one pet is just like owning a hummer. So it's obvious kids like you are too dumb to know real facts. The REAL contributor to global warming is the Industrial era as well as using coal for fuel.
So you are saying the Native Americans, (the people that killed the majority of the American buffalo/bison), never gave a shit about ANY animals as well.
Dude, leave your ego out of diet. Hell, even scientists say there's not such thing as global warming. I guess you believe that as well.
The only "scientists" that blame the meat industry are the ones that support PETA.
Also, there are more farms where I live that don't do that. So the % here is like 95% that DON'T inject animals w/ drugs.
Yet again, how am I single handedly killing 28 million animals per year? You still have yet to answer that the LAST time you said it lol.
And the vegetation you eat KILLS thousands of grounddwelling animals EVERYTIME your food is harvested.
Also, the vegetation the Native Americans consume was found in the wild as well and many people still kill animals that roam free and are drug free. ;)
YOU are the one who don't care about animals. You are just being guilty.
You can't be 0.1% responsible either, you too are 100% responsible for killing animals for your food.
And what do you mean "random"? I was just stating facts that you still kill animals, especially if you live in a house/apartment/condo. Take responsiblity or shut up.
I don't want to be a vegetarian, seriously. One, meat is way too good and gives you proteins to strengthen muscles. Two, we are omnivores, right? Third, Free range chickens ftw, (they actually taste better).
JustComments90 2 months ago
still, MEAT IS MURDER!!!!!
eggonpetraw 7 months ago
@eggonpetraw Do you swat flys? Do you step on ants? Do you carefully walk in the grass so as not to kill any life form?
You should be careful of the names you call other people.
ronpaul2008rocks 6 months ago
@ronpaul2008rocks There is a big difference between deliberate killing/ exploiting and that which cannot be avoided.
prb1180 5 months ago
@prb1180, I don't know how to avoid eating food. People advocating that all humans should be vegetarian are really wasting their time. If you want to be vegetarian, great!
Of course I do not advocate the torture of animals nor would I want to eat such animals. I prefer eating completely free animals and do it most of the time.
ronpaul2008rocks 5 months ago
@eggonpetraw Every human being supports the slaughter of animals whether it be directly or indirectly ... ever here of a kill free farm ? even organic farms must rely on animal manure from animals generally raised for slaughter to be economically viable .... most of the produce you swallow down without a thought of where it comes from has lead to the death of an animal
84jgk 5 months ago
@84jgk still, please answer me WHY NOT BECOME A VEGAN? i'm really interested in your opinion. i'm vegan for the past 5 years and it's great. WHY NOT?
eggonpetraw 5 months ago
@eggonpetraw because I like to eat meat , eggs and dairy products ... I raise hunt and fish most of what my family consumes meat wise ... to be conscious of what you eat and how it is raised is just as big of a commitment and lifestyle choice as being vegan ... more so in the feeling of the soul cleansing primal honestyt that is responsibly growing killing and cleaning your own food ... the disconnection from the real world of where our food comes from and how our animals are treated
84jgk 5 months ago
@eggonpetraw continued .... is the down fall of our society !!! me and those like me probably have more respect and understanding of animals than the average person especially those who consider themselves animal rights activists ... I am probably rambling now : ) .... I like to eat meat it is natural for humans to consume meat on some level and for me and my lifestyle choice I want to eat all the natural free range delicious protien I can get from the woods fields farms and waters around me
84jgk 5 months ago
@eggonpetraw continued again ; ) .... I also do not try to convert any one to my views I am a live and let live type of person till someone tries to infringe upon my rights ... why may I ask does nearly every vegan vegetation etc... try to convert me to their lifestyle ???
84jgk 5 months ago
@84jgk You are infringing upon non-human animals' lives by exploiting and killing them, no?
prb1180 5 months ago
@prb1180 no I am not !!! see you are coming around !! getting a little common sense are we ? ... must have been some meat broth accidentally added to your veggie soup or something ... the idea that an animal that is solely alive for the purpose of eating by " human animals " especially one that depends solely on humans for food and care has any form of rights is complete and utter nonsense ....
84jgk 5 months ago
@84jgk That would be your unfortunate speciesist opinion. No animals are alive for the purpose of eating by humans. They are alive for their own purposes. Just like black people are not alive to serve white people.
prb1180 5 months ago
@prb1180 Seems common sense and you are at odds take a few deep breaths and come back down to reality ...speciesist lol what a joke .....
84jgk 5 months ago
@84jgk and as far as your comment "last time I checked, we were not serving up humans on the menu," that proves my point, fool. We serve up non-human animals because we (most of us) are speciesist and believe them to be lesser than us... and they unfortunately can't tell us to stop or make laws that prevent us from taking their lives and otherwise exploiting them.
prb1180 5 months ago
@prb1180 so you see a chicken as your equal ??? intellectually on are your part I may have to agree with you ...
84jgk 5 months ago
OMG a video PETA dont want you to see! happy animals!
hurro67 7 months ago
I still think it's lame that they have to die so some person can eat them to feel full for a few hours.
But It makes me happy to at least see these "Free range" farms.
Just chilling outside in the sun.lol
Skeletonwitharaygun 8 months ago
i love to eat meat i have been doing it my whole life and will never stop i just moved onto a cattle ranch and after seeing how we treat the cattle i started to look at other cattle farmer and relized that some p of our food comes from really bad conditions and that upset me cows chickens and any other animal that is raised for meat should at least be happy while there alive and be keept in a good enviroment
etxreabel 9 months ago
these animals all look healthy and content. When farming is done this way, I really don't see why people make such a fuss about people eating meat.
obversaria1 10 months ago
my granny had free range chickens in her backyard
she used to chase 'em round with a hatchet.
the slow ones taste real good..
mbm13213 10 months ago
@mbm13213 can I have some?
narutofan9tf 8 months ago
well i think its great farming like this is the best free stress of these chickens give good meat and for all those vegeterians one thing animals were put in this planet for one thing to live reproduce and die thats all , if you dont eat meat no worrries i´ll eat meat on your behalf ignorante.
enriquearcos 1 year ago
Is it okay for you to drive your car and squish bugs, catepillars, birds, rodents, and whatever else is in your path? Just wondering! You really should think out your logic before you condemn people for meat consumption. Tell your story to a Grizzly Bear,LOL!
GetusomeTx 1 year ago
@GetusomeTx There is a difference between complex mammals, avian etc and insects. Animals like gorillas are almost human - basic insects don't have much of a psychology at all. There is a continuum of animal life from extremely complex to basic. If you give rights to a chimpanzee it doesn't necessarily imply that ladybugs merit the same right.
IdaMiaDot 2 months ago
although it will always be sad that the animals are killed, this is a great little place and this is how farming SHOULD BE done. the chickens look healthy too
BrightyHazelEyes 1 year ago
leave people who eat meat alone and we won't get so angry at you! If we choose to take the life of an animal to eat it then LEAVE US ALONE! Just keep eating your veggies and mind your own business!!!
gokory 1 year ago
@gokory It is very much our business if you are taking lives of helpless beings who can't speak for themselves. Someone has to be their voice.
prb1180 1 year ago
@prb1180 hmmm they already have a voice..my growling stomache!!!
gokory 1 year ago
@prb1180 ahhh statements like this are so damn comical ....
84jgk 5 months ago
@84jgk How so? Enlighten me.
prb1180 5 months ago
@gokory Leave the animals alone.
prb1180 1 year ago
Yummy!
KillerCracker69 1 year ago
ime happy now :D
suggafree123 1 year ago
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graiminy 1 year ago
hello im a poultry technicien i will now the broiler strain in this farm?
hkayne1 1 year ago
@hkayne1 Your comment is incoherent. Could you clarify what you are saying?
TheSonicchick 1 year ago
@TheSonicchick he is a poultry technician (knows alot about them and probably experiments with what breed produces best etc) and he wants to know what the strain of chicken this is
gokory 1 year ago
@hkayne1 I believe that these are either Jumbo CornishXRock or Cornish Roasters
gokory 1 year ago
Human vegetarians are faggots.
Fucking
Faggots
The only meat they eat is dick.
LolCaramelz 1 year ago
@LolCaramelz Wow, why so angry? Too much hormonal residue from all the meat you been shoveling into your cocksucking mouth?
TheSonicchick 1 year ago 2
@TheSonicchick hahahaha, awesome :)
prb1180 5 months ago
@LolCaramelz you should respect them even though they have different views than you. And there are vegiterians that are straight ya know, maybe you should learn the definition of "faggot" it means gay people not every vegeterian is gay. regards another meat consumer
gokory 1 year ago
@LolCaramelz Aww, is someone insecure about his sexuality?
prb1180 5 months ago
I know how to change the meat factory... KFC needs to offer free range chicken double down at 10.99 and factory chicken double down at 4.99 and see what happens.
mikeladder 1 year ago
Your going to have to kill either the plant or animal in order to survive, both were once alive, with the natural urge to survive. Once eaten by someone it will need to be replaced. Both ways have their own downside, its the consumers choice.
woahshesstankin 1 year ago
Chicken houses controlled by the big 4 meat corporations use houses the chickens stand in their own crap 24/7 and are fed soy or corn. Oh i forgot to mention the antibiotics. Which chicken would you rather eat?
xrynxedgex 1 year ago
ok, this video is just "the calm before the storm." what they dont show you is what happens on the way to the slaughterhouse.
RummyMummy 2 years ago
If you think its bad to eat animals, don't. Leave the rest of us alone to eat our chicken dinners in peace.
badamson10 2 years ago
So it's never OK to tell someone if you think what they're doing is wrong? That's how things get fixed!
maximum411 2 years ago
@maximum411 problem with you philosophy is their is nothing wrong with meat raised with respect to the animal
84jgk 5 months ago
@84jgk How is it "respectful" to kill an individual before they have filled their natural lifespan, without their permission?
prb1180 5 months ago
@prb1180 a chicken is an individual ??? like a person is an individual ??? last time i checked we were not serving up human on the menu ... the problem is you morons see an animal as an equal ....
84jgk 5 months ago
@badamson10 Does this apply to human murder and rape, as well?
prb1180 5 months ago
This video is absolutely disgusting. Trying to make out that killing can be excusable depending on how it's done! Animals are not ours to use no matter what. That should be a blatantly obvious fact to anyone who claims to care about non-human animals. You should be ashamed of yourself, CIWF.
JudeMurphyDublin 2 years ago
But think about it this way- if you were a chicken, would you rather live a peaceful life out on a green pasture even if your eventual fate is to be killed or never live at all? After all, everything dies at some point.
I think the quality of an animal's life before it's death should be the deciding factor on whether or not meat-eating can be called humane. Not all death is cruel.
maximum411 2 years ago
That is a deeply speciesist thing to say. It's OK for you not to have realised that, as we're all brought up in a society based on exploitation, but I hope you can come to realise that killing for one's personal benefit can never be ethical. Animals cannot be considered "property". For as long as animals are thought of as mere commodities, the suffering of factory farms will continue, so even from a welfarist point of view, only a complete end to exploitation could put an end to this torture.
JudeMurphyDublin 2 years ago
There is no such thing as "speciesism." Racism is inaccurate because the differences between human races are so minor. But there are major differences between different animal species, including humans. That is not to say that animals do not deserve respect and compassion. They definitely do. But it means realizing that in reality, a chicken does not know that it will eventually be slaughtered, and it cannot be worried by this knowledge.
maximum411 2 years ago
It doesn't matter if the chicken knows it will be killed, killing is still wrong. And whatever the differences between species, we still share the ability to feel pain and seek happiness, so to say speciesism doesn't exist is absurd. It's an excuse to ignore the big change you need to make to your lifestyle by going vegan. Exploiting a sentient being can never be ethical.
JudeMurphyDublin 2 years ago
@JudeMurphyDublin
ROFL. Chickens are sentient?!?! This is big news! When did they make this evolutionary leap?
Chickens are both nutritious and delicious! If you feel guilty about your position in the food chain, I feel sorry for you. I most certainly do not.
klaptongroovemaster 1 year ago
What the fuck makes you think they aren't? They have all the sensory organs we have and a brain and nervous system. If you really think they can't feel then you're just bullshitting yourself because you're a coward. Too fucking scared to admit you were wrong to eat them , because that would mean you have to change what you eat! You're a fucking idiot and a waste of space.
If you don't feel guilty about your "position on the food chain", then it's I who feels sorry for you.
JudeMurphyDublin 1 year ago
Look up the definition of "sentient." Chickens are DUMB. I know because I raise them and eat them. They are delicious and nutritious. They are one of the most cost-efficient converters of plant matter to protein on the planet.
klaptongroovemaster 1 year ago
Well you're obviously quite "dumb" yourself, so I suppose you wouldn't mind if I killed you and ate you? Do you eat everyone you think is "dumb"? You're just a disgusting murdering scumbag.
JudeMurphyDublin 1 year ago
Go ahead and try, pussy. I think you would find that this sentient being uses tools - the kind that pussies like you are afraid of. The ones that ensure that I survive to procreate and you do not.
Mr. Darwin is on my side of this particular argument. You're an idiot. I'm done here.
klaptongroovemaster 1 year ago
Wow, you're so primative! You should be in a museum. "Me survive to procreate, you not!" hahahahahahahahaha you fucking Neanderthal! So all you care about is that you "survive to procreate"! Go on then, use whatever frightening tool it is you need to survive. Personally, I don't need one because I live in a civilised society, and I'm not "afraid" of yours! Fuckin hick.
JudeMurphyDublin 1 year ago
@klaptongroovemaster Ah, yes, another sexist macho man. Did you know that meat and dairy products cause infertility and impotence?
prb1180 5 months ago
@prb1180 My equipment works just fine, thanks. I'm also the youngest of seven children of parents who ate meat and drank milk every day. He had to tie a knot in it after I was born because they had enough already. You are as stupid as the rest of these meat-haters.
klaptongroovemaster 5 months ago
@klaptongroovemaster I didn't ask how your equipment worked, or how your dad's or your granddad's or your great granddad's equipment worked, at the time you were all conceived. My point is that you are being sexist and thinking you are macho when components in meat and dairy are known to cause impotence, *over time,* by blocking normal blood flow to the penis.
prb1180 5 months ago
@prb1180 All the women in my life: my very fertile mother, my three sisters, my lovely lady... they ALL consume meat and dairy. They are all in good health. I never even mentioned gender once in anything I posted here. YOU are clearly the one with a hangup about gender.
You are also operating under a sexist gender stereotype that since I am male, you assume that sex is all-important to me. Actually, if I had to choose between delicious food and sex, I would choose good food.
klaptongroovemaster 5 months ago
@klaptongroovemaster You were calling people "pussies" for not eating meat. That is sexist. I'm not sure why you keep mentioning the fertility of your family members, male or female. I didn't say anything about sex being important to you because you are male. I think it's time for you to stop commenting... clearly all that meat is also clogging the arteries to your brain.
prb1180 5 months ago
@prb1180 The person I called a "pussy" was the one who threatened to kill me. But you have nothing to say to fucking idiots like that, do you? Oh no. Nevermind the fanatic who threatens to kill a HUMAN. You idiots who hate your own species should just do the species a favor and remove yourselves.
You are the stupid fuck who doesn't recognize your position in the food chain. Take your own advice and stop commenting. Because I can do this all day.
klaptongroovemaster 5 months ago
@klaptongroovemaster No one threatened to kill you, you idiot. He was making a point. You had said non-human animals could be killed and eaten because they are "dumb." He pointed out that you are dumb, but would still not want to be killed and eaten. I don't hate or discriminate against ANY species, human or non.
If we are supposed to eat animals, why are we healthier without them?
*braces for comeback regarding person klgm knows who went vegan and died or had severe nutritional deficiencies.
prb1180 5 months ago 3
@prb1180 You should eat whatever you want. I'm not the one calling someone else a murderer for their nutritional choices. And no... I don't have any anecdotal evidence to support what diet is most healthy.
If we are NOT supposed to eat animals, why are they so delicious?
klaptongroovemaster 5 months ago
@klaptongroovemaster Clearly, you are the one who needs to look up the definition of "sentient." It has nothing to do with intelligence (though chickens are actually not that dumb and have complex social structures). It has to do with "the ability to feel, perceive or be conscious, or to have subjective experiences."
prb1180 5 months ago
@JudeMurphyDublin What exactly do you eat that doesn't involve killing a living thing?
Cheeseclothdemon 1 year ago
hahaha have a guess, dude! I'm sure you're not that stupid! :)
And don't be smart and say it's as bad to kill plants, that's completely different and it's a pathetic excuse! People have actually said that to me before. They also say it's bad to eat plants because insects are harmed in the process, but of course that's not on purpose so it's another pathetic excuse.
JudeMurphyDublin 1 year ago 2
@JudeMurphyDublin And how is it a completely different thing? Why are you accusing those who choose to eat humanely-raised meat of being "murderers" when you yourself take the life of another organism? How does dining solely on plants elevate you from speciesism? We're all speciesists. It's how the world works - we're part of a food chain. Look, I'm a Vegetarian and I'm all for respecting nature and treating animals humanely, but I try to be realistic on my views.
Cheeseclothdemon 1 year ago 19
It's a completely different thing because plants are not sentient. They don't feel pain or fear. Animals, on the other hand, are the same thing as we are. They deserve to belong only to themselves, to live free from needless oppression. I don't believe that you can't understand that a sentient being needs to be treated with respect, you're just making excuses so you don't have to bother making an effort.
JudeMurphyDublin 1 year ago
@JudeMurphyDublin It's been proven that plants react to certain stimuli and their environment, and have the ability to go into shock. One species for instance can sense when it's being devoured by insects and actually emits a pheromone to attract the insects' predators. Going by your philosophy, are you suggesting it's okay to take the life of an organism just because it functions on a different level of consciousness that you can't understand? That's speciesism right there.
Cheeseclothdemon 1 year ago 2
Well all I can say is that if you're so concerned about plants then I hope you doing your best to keep their harm to a minimum. In fact, going vegan would do that too because far more plants are fed to livestock than are used for human consumption. Even if you are right about plants, I don't see how anyone could be so un-empathetic towards other animals that they'd compare the two.
All anyone can do is try to cause as little harm as they can, it's the people who don't even try that make me sick.
JudeMurphyDublin 1 year ago
@JudeMurphy I understand where you're coming from, and I like your passion - but I just think you're directing your anger toward the wrong source. Instead of focusing on family farms trying to earn a living (in the most humanely way possible as far as livestock is concern) focus on the real culprit of suffering: human overpopulation. That's what's increasing the demand for large factory farms, and it accounts for the destruction of ecosystems (of both plants and animals) through deforestation.
Cheeseclothdemon 1 year ago
@JudeMurphy Oh, and I'm very empathetic towards animals and ANY form of nature - I lose sleep over issues of animal abuse. But considering we all rely on eating other organisms to survive, and people are never, ever going to stop eating meat, I forced myself to change my perspective, view the environment as a whole, and be grateful that there are at least some people who care enough to be responsible where their meat comes (the free-range farms)
Cheeseclothdemon 1 year ago 11
@Cheeseclothdemon That makes absolutely no sense. You "lose sleep over issues of animal abuse," yet see the solution to "change your perspective" to not give a damn and call the rest of us unrealistic. Our goals would be more "realistic" if more people who claim to care would help out and try to end the abuses, thank you very much.
prb1180 1 year ago
@prb1180 Have you ever heard of the genocide in Darfur and apartheid in South Africa? What about the religious persecution in Middle Eastern countries? Child sex exploitation in Europe and America? (the list goes on) Or does your only news source come from Peta's website? How can you expect to end animal abuse when humans can't even treat EACHOTHER humanely? That's what I mean by being realistic. Until humans can pull their own shit together, animal right advocacy is sort of pointless.
Cheeseclothdemon 1 year ago
@Cheeseclothdemon Uh, yeah, I have. And how does my (or your) being vegan harm those people? I get what you mean by "realistic" and I'm asking you, if you care about animals and people, what is preventing you from sparing some animals and going vegan? Is some not better than all? The fact that some selfish bastards might never go vegan because they don't care does not mean that you can't. Your arguments just make no sense.
prb1180 1 year ago
@prb1180 Oh, and I never said that I don't "give a damn". And I do lose sleep over animal abuse, which is why you won't see me defending those cramped, horrid factory farms. But there are no animals being abused here.
Cheeseclothdemon 1 year ago
@Cheeseclothdemon These videos do not tell the whole "free-range" story. No matter what farm animals are *raised* on, cows and pigs are forced into repeat pregnancies, with calves stolen from their moms at birth. Almost all (99%) male chicks are still ground up or suffocated at birth. Animals are still killed (usually hanging upside-down) at a tiny fraction of their normal lifespan, with the exception of a few breeders. That's not from Peta, who I don' t support. That's just the truth.
prb1180 1 year ago
@JudeMurphyDublin
Animals aren't sentient dumb shit.
LolCaramelz 1 year ago
@LolCaramelz That's a very cowardly dismissal of the obvious truth that you're contributing to their suffering if you eat them.
JudeMurphyDublin 1 year ago
@LolCaramelz Excuse me but do you know the definition of sentient? Here you go: Lifeform with the capability to feel sensation, such as pain; Conscious or aware; Experiencing sensation or feeling.
It is a known fact that they are sentient. If you want to defend eating them you need to come up with another reason.
TheSonicchick 1 year ago
@Cheeseclothdemon Do we really need to talk about plants not having central nervous systems and therefore not feeling pain? Really? "Speciesism" refers to sentient species within the animal kingdom. Also, one who eats animals kills more plants than vegans.
No unnecessary killing of animals just to please our taste buds is ever humane. Have you ever witnessed animal slaughter? "Humane" farming -ahem, slavery - always ends in slaughter. Would you want to be the one to slit an animal's throat?
prb1180 1 year ago
@prb1180 What does "not feeling pain" have to do with anything? The plant is still ALIVE. The chicken in that video isn't going to feel much either when a farmer sneaks up behind it while it's happily grazing and slips a knife into its brain. And Richard D. Ryder's definition of speciesism is simply "prejudice against non-humans based on physical differences"; therefore, it applies to EVERYTHING DIFFERENT FROM HUMAN BEINGS. Humane farming=slavery? Are you joking?
Cheeseclothdemon 1 year ago
@Cheeseclothdemon "What does not feeling pain have to do with anything?" Do I really need to answer that? And you really think chickens are "snuck up upon by the farmer while happily grazing?" And that even if so, the stabbing would not hurt them?
Breeding, entrapping, and turning into food that we don't need = slavery. There is no way around that. Get this "humane" idea out of your head. There is no such thing as "humane" slavery and murder. Are *you* joking?
prb1180 1 year ago
@Cheeseclothdemon As far as the meaning of "speciesism," I once again bring you back to the fact that plants do not feel pain or feel emotions, since they do not have central nervous systems. If you don't believe that, I would recommend calling up your third grade teacher? Or are you still in second grade?
prb1180 1 year ago
@prb1180 As I stated in a previous post, plants have the ability to go into shock and respond chemically to stimuli (look it up); there's so much we don't know about plant life; and your response has nothing to do with the meaning of speciesism.
Cheeseclothdemon 1 year ago
@Cheeseclothdemon Plants "responding chemically to stimuli" is not the same as responding due to nerve endings. Do I seriously have to explain this to you? "There's so much we don't know about plant life." Okay. We DO, however, know that sentient animals feel pain and have emotions (hence, sentient) and have a strong desire to live. We have to eat, so why not refrain from eating the creatures we KNOW are sentient and desire to live? And again, animals eat plants, so (continued...)
prb1180 1 year ago
@Cheeseclothdemon (continued) MORE plants are killed to produce meat than to produce... plants... Good luck arguing these points, fool.
prb1180 1 year ago
@prb1180 Can't argue with you that larger livestock consume massive amounts of plant matter,and I would be glad if ranchers stopped breeding cows and pigs altogether, but chickens are another story. They're a major protein-rich food-source in poorer countries that lack the right conditions for agriculture; try telling a struggling family in a third-world country whose livelihood depends on poultry that they're simply trying to "satisfy their tastebuds"...to use your own words.
Cheeseclothdemon 1 year ago
@Cheeseclothdemon Funny - earlier you didn't mention only chickens being okay. But then with you supposedly being a vegetarian, your entire argument makes no sense. Chickens still have to convert plant matter to muscle. There is still a loss. I would not say that to a person living in a third-world country who is forced to eat animals to survive. I tell that to people in first-world countries who eat animals without any such need, robbing the poor of grains/ vegetables they could have eaten.
prb1180 1 year ago
@prb1180 I know chickens consume plant matter...but chickens don't consume nearly as much as cows and pigs, don't pollute as much, and don't take up as much space. And the reason I didn't mention only "chicken's being okay" because the OPPORTUNITY NEVER CAME UP AND IT WASN'T RELEVANT AT THE TIME. I'm just defending humane farmers. Oh, yes. and I'm Vegetarian, not Vegan. Look up the difference.
Cheeseclothdemon 1 year ago
@Cheeseclothdemon Your argument was that I shouldn't say I am against speciesism if I eat plants/ plants are living things, etc. I was explaining how eating animals uses MORE plants than just eating plants and how we have to eat to live. Chicken eaters consume MORE plants than vegans. You are still calling some farmers humane. THERE IS NO HUMANE FARMING/ KILLING FOR FOOD. And as I mentioned and you apparently did not notice, 99% of male chicks are killed at birth. There is no defending that.
prb1180 1 year ago
@Cheeseclothdemon And let's not forget the whole chickens feeling pain/ wanting to live/ not wanting to be slaves thing. Ya kinda dropped that topic, along with a few others. Got any other tired arguments up your sleeve, Cheesyloincloth?
prb1180 1 year ago
@prb1180 Fine. It's not like you've tried to dodge the topic whenever I acknowledge that a plant is a living thing too. Here goes: It's insane to believe that it's murder for one to consume another organism for food, while you yourself do the same thing. The slave thing? Ok. Domestic chickens are slaves. Would you rather human beings go back to hunting and trapping in the forests for meat? With the population we have now? And decimate whatever wildlife we have left?
Cheeseclothdemon 1 year ago
@Cheeseclothdemon I have not tried to "dodge" any topic you've brought up. I've addressed them. Plants ARE living things, but unlike animals, who both of us choose not to eat, they don't feel pain or have emotions, therefore it doesn't BOTHER them if they are grown to be eaten, while we have to eat something and eating animals uses MORE plants than does eating plants, so your points about eating plants being on the same line as eating animals - chickens or otherwise - are lousy. Clear?
prb1180 1 year ago
@JudeMurphyDublin So is it unethical for a lion to kill a Zebra or a Chicken to kill a grass hopper ??? by your theory we are all sentient beings and part of nature ... therefore is it not natural for man to kill and eat ??? Does the lion weep for the death of the zebra and his full belly ... I think not ... the problem is we have become so lazy and fat we no longer realize we once competed along side such creatures for that healthy delicious free range sustenance
84jgk 5 months ago
@84jgk No, it's not unethical for a lion to kill a zebra, as they don't know any better and they have no other option. I understand that animal exploitation causes suffering, and I have the option to live without participating in it, so I choose to cause the least suffering. I hate when people use the excuse that it's "natural" to eat animals, as it's merely an identification of a trait, rather than a reason not to change it. Nature is an observation of one's tendencies, not an ethical standard.
JudeMurphyDublin 5 months ago
If given a sunny pasture to roam, the company of other chickens, a healthy diet, shelter from the weather, and freedom from human harassment, a chicken will undoubtedly be happy. A quick compassionate death is an appropriate end to such a life, and if done correctly, will cause little pain or stress.
I 100% agree with you that animals are not commodities. They have thoughts and feelings, and can suffer. But it is possible to provide a captive animal a humane life and a humane death.
maximum411 2 years ago
There's no such thing as a compassionate/humane death. Would you consider it compassionate if someone crept up behind you tomorrow and shot you dead? You'd never know it happened, so by your logic there would be nothing wrong with that! And I know you wouldn't want to be shot dead tomorrow so if you just practice a bit of empathy then I'm sure you'll agree it's not fair to do the same thing to another.
JudeMurphyDublin 2 years ago
There is no such thing as a compassionate death?
So if a person is in severe pain due to chronic illness and begs to be killed it is inhumane to provide them with euthanasia? Death is not always evil.
And there is a difference between murdering someone unexpectedly and killing a farm animals. If someone killed me, or hunted a wild animal for that matter, that person would be taking the life of another without providing it anything. But with a farm animal, without the farmer it would never
maximum411 2 years ago
have been born in the first place. So when killing a farm animal, the farmer is simply taking back the animal's life after having provided for its existence in the first place. Sure, the animal may not have lived out its natural life span, but a short, blissful existence is surely better than nothing? There are many animals that naturally live very short lives, and we don't see anything cruel about that.
maximum411 2 years ago
Although this is not common, it is possible. I would much prefer a world with no meat to a world with factory farms. But I would prefer humane sustainable farms to a world with no meat. After all, we can provide these animals with a better life than possible in the wild. The brief moment of pain they might feel at death is nothing compared to death by snake constriction. Death is a natural part of life. If we were to truly eliminate "speciesism," we would have to destroy all predator species.
maximum411 2 years ago
@JudeMurphyDublin speciesist ??? is that like racist or sexist ??? sounds to me you are putting the life of an animal bred to be raised for food on the same level as a humans which makes you sound like you have some type of mental deficiency
84jgk 5 months ago
:D
that's all i have to say to this !
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
lesliewoodson 2 years ago
Oh cool ill raise you in a happy home then ill shoot you in the head and eat you :)
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
0:05 - 0:10
You don't see chickens doing that in cages!
NukeTheMongoose 2 years ago
they're lucky compared to the factory chickens...
hell666steve13 2 years ago
Oh :o Go look up KFC's free range farm
Maybe that will shut you up :)
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
Most people dont even eat KFC since it's too greasey.
Go look up free range farms.
Maybe that will shut you up :)
ironman711 2 years ago
Free ranged meat is just a way to make shit eating meat eaters like you not feel bad about eating meat.
Caged meat, Free meat
Either way its just a method to make the small minded feel right.
But i dont get your logic on this
*Its not ok if we kill them when they are raised sad*
*But its ok to kill them when they are raised happy!*
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
Just like regular shit vegetables and "organic" vegetables.
Its just like "free range" meat ;)
There's no such thing as "organic".
But I'm sure you brag about buying "organic" vegetables lol!
BTW, you obviously haven't seen how Kobe beef is treated. Kobe beef is the highest ranked beef and the steers they get the meat from is pampered their whole life.
ironman711 2 years ago
So vegetables grown without pesticide=free range meat?
No i dont buy organic vegetables
And you dont buy free ranged meat
you're an idiot arent you?
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
"So vegetalbes grown without pesticide=free range meat?"
You finally get it!
"No i dont buy organic vegetables"
So you consume vegetables with chemicals on them...you're an idiot..
ironman711 2 years ago
How is putting chemicals on vegetables
The same as raising animals to die
You see
Its the mental gymnastics meat eaters go through that make me laugh
Its just stupid
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
It's not the same, it's actually worse since you get cancer from the chemicals to protect your precious harvest.
Have all the chemicals on your veggies as you want, that would be one less moron to worry about destroying the planet ;)
ironman711 2 years ago
And seeing as all the growth hormones and all the other chemicals the inject into animals.
There will be one less douche bag destroying the planet.
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
Yet I get my meat growth hormone and any other chemicals-free.
Escpecially when I go hunting to reduce over population ;).
ironman711 2 years ago
Yes, again we get back to the obvious answer
*I buy all my meat from free ranged farms*
But 9/10 times it isnt the true answer :)
P.S pulling the trigger on a gun....How manly
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
Not if you actually know where the meat comes from like I do. Like I keep saying, I live in the midwest so most of the meat here dont have chemicals or hormones in them unlike factory farms. Gotta love vegans ignorance :).
P.S. It is manly, something you obviously aren't strong enough to do ;)
ironman711 2 years ago
You think pulling the trigger on a gun is manly....you MUST have a small penis :)
And again you claim you buy free ranged and again i dont believe it
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
If you think you're helping animals just by supporting PETA and being a veghead, you have an extremely small penis :)
And again, who cares what you think? You actually think PETA does good...LOL!
ironman711 2 years ago
You think PeTA does bad?
LOL
Bashing a non profit organization
REAL CLASSY!
And are you aware the only insecure men think hunting is a manly sport?
Yep :) Psychology for ya!
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
Bashing people who hunt for food now? REAL CLASSY!
If you think PETA doesn't do bad, then what are your stance on pitbulls? I would love to hear this LOL!
ironman711 2 years ago
Bashing People who hunt and kill helpless animals with guns? REAL CLASSY!
....wait it is classy, because you people are scum and i am treating you as such
And wait pitbulls right? The ones that have attacked the most people and are banned in several countries, yea i know of them
Why do you bring it up?
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
Actually, it's not classy. Classy is showing respect, not bashing anyone or any group thus you aren't classy ;).
And I brought up pitbulls because you say you support PETA and say all animals deserve to live, yet pitbulls dont? Why don't we kill off the hippos too since they KILL more people than any other animal?
ironman711 2 years ago
Its very classy to tell the ignorant scum that they are scum
it lets them know how low they are in the eyes of the world
There is a reason pitbulls are banned in many countries :)
Maybe you should look up the attack/kill rate of pitbulls
Alot of todlers mauled and eaten
:)
GO PETA!
!@#$ off and kill more todlers
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
Yet my Aunt's pitbull has never bitten any of my nephews or neice. :)
Also, like I said, hippos kill and maul MORE people than ANY animal, that includes crocs AND pitbulls. But your logic, we should ban hippos to live :)
GET EDUCATED!
fuck off and kill more innocent animals :)
ironman711 2 years ago
And coconuts kill more people that sharks :)
And you want dangerous animals killing more children?
Are you going to release lions into playgrounds?
sicko
Go kill some more children freak
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
Go kill some more puppies/kittens in the back of a van and throw the remains in a dumpster PETArd :)
ironman711 2 years ago
You're such a disgusting pedophile
Wanting animals to maul children
Disgusting!
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
Yet you are the twisted one.
Saying you are for animals yet support such an evil group!
How many kittens and puppies have you killed and thrown into dumpsters?
Sicko!
ironman711 2 years ago
If the animals are sent to PeTA to be killed they will do their jobs....oh wait you probably didnt know hat because you hate to research topics
You pedophile child killer!
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
Actually, people send animals to PETA to HELP the animals find homes, NOT kill them which is what PETA does to 90% of the animals they take in. Only a handful will have homes, the rest are mass killed by PETA.
You puppy and kitten killer!
ironman711 2 years ago
ACTUALLY, Most shelters take advantage of PeTAs free euthanasia program and send them animals that are unadoptable or that they just dont have room for.
You dont think they are aware that most of the animals they send to PeTA will be killed?
Let me tell you what they are aware of
They save money by using PeTas free euthanasia program and PeTA gets all the heat for killing the animals :)
You child killing pedophile!
And you baby lamb eating monster!
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
LOL! Most shelters take advantage of PETA's free euthanasia program??
You mean PETA's concentration camp ;)
You kitten and puppy killer!
You don't really care about animals!
ironman711 2 years ago
I like it how you Just disregarded the facts and went back to your ignorance :)
And BTW how are you doing with the animals you kill and devour in the slaughter house?
Or should i say concentration camp! lol
listen to the facts
Dont disregard them :)
And research a non-profit organization before you bash it, Pedophile toddler killer
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
Dude, you're still in high school.
You have much to learn about PETA than what they seem.
I understand you're too brainwashed to believe that PETA are puppy and kitten killers. I'll send you a vid on here that shows how "nice" PETA are to animals.
ironman711 2 years ago
@ironman711 yea i know im SOOO brainwashed that i used Google to look up several sources backing up PeTA's claims.
Including the new york times, who did a segment on it.
So im not too *Brainwashed* to post explanations for why PeTA kills animals
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
All awhile PETA is telling others it isn't okay to kill animals, no matter what.
I say, if you kill an animal, you should use EVERY part of the animal either it be for food or clothing.
And you are brainwashed since you're just a kid that has no idea how PETA really is.
ironman711 2 years ago
@ironman711
Listen here you 35 year old man living in his mother basement.
im 18 so PLEASE shut it
And animals should be killed only when needed too
Unlike the way you kill them in the millions for food you dont need
Or fur you dont need
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
LULZ 35?
Can you come up with something original?
"animals should be killed only when needed too"
Like food and clothing. Thanks for agreeing.
ironman711 2 years ago
Yes but we dont need animals for food or clothing
When we have alternative methods
Hence unnecessary
My word
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
Yes and we dont need plants for food or clothing either.
Your point is moot.
ironman711 2 years ago
Yes but plants dont feel pain do they? :)
So rather than eating the self aware pain feeling animal, i would rather eat the plant with no brain.
P.S. Did you ever put yourself in the animals shoes...ever?
Or do you just look down on then from your Hitler tower
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
1. How do you know that plants don't feel pain? Plants are self aware since they do know when to bloom so they can make more of themselves.
2. Funny that you brought up Hitler who is well known to be a vegetarian. The only ones that say Hitler isn't a vegetarian are vegans and vegetarians just like how some people deny the Holocaust.
So if you want to brag about being vegan to boost your ego, then go right ahead.
ironman711 2 years ago
Face it you've lost, you tried to prove eating meat wasnt wrong. You failed
The only thing you have done is convinced everyone that you are an ignorant fool who just doesnt care.
So unless you're ready to actually discuss it with more than *i dont care*
Dont come back
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
#1-No Brain=No pain
#2-You slaughter over 28 million cows and chickens a year
You're exactly like Hitler
He thought he was doing the right thing as well
P.S. When i kill you do you want me to Gas you, slit your throat or shoot you in the head
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
#1 You can say the same with people that are vegetables. So that means you condone eating them as well ;)
#2 Actually, prove that I alone slaughter 28 million chickens and cows a year for myself and my family. I would love to hear that lol.
P.S. You can get arrested for saying such things over the internet silly boy ;)
ironman711 2 years ago
So once you Kill someones brain its ok to eat them...sick sick man
And you support the slaughter of it :)
Its like when you pay some one to kill some one else, you didnt kill them but youre still responsible
And still you wont put yourself in the animals shoes. I guess you are just to plain ignorant to do so :)
hence why i asked which manner you would want to be killed in....boy, i say boy because you have the mental morality of a 6 year old child
* I dont care I dont care!*
Think about it
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
"So once you kill someones brain its ok to eat them..."
Those are your words, not mine.
And please quote me saying I dont care about animals and not from this very comment since I'm just pointing out that I have never said I don't care.
I can tell you're still in high school since you don't have a mind of your own yet.
ironman711 2 years ago
#1-Im not in High school....need to change the youtube info
#2-You didnt say *I dont care* your words suggested this.
You dont give two shits about animals, and its very apparent
P.S. Do you really need to drop that low?
They say a person with no argument will go for : Age, Occupation, Race, sex, Name, Appearance.
Hmm you have said some of the things on this list multiple times
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
You also forgot that people that have no argument will believe in their own lifestyle no matter what. Just look at the religious folks.
ironman711 2 years ago
Ive stated my entire argument
It the worst contributor to global warming
it takes up 75% of the worlds resources
It takes away food from the people who need it
The animals feel pain
They are injected with drugs to make then grow 3 times as fast.
If it where you in the situation you wouldn't want it
And what do you have?
*I dont care*
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
"And what do you have?
*I dont care*"
You have yet to quote me saying that. If I didn't care about animals, then why would I try to be a vet/zoologist and work at an animal shelter?
BTW, PETA has said having one pet is just like owning a hummer. So it's obvious kids like you are too dumb to know real facts. The REAL contributor to global warming is the Industrial era as well as using coal for fuel.
"They are injected with drugs"
Not wild animals or animals from family farms.
ironman711 2 years ago
Well said.
PETA is OK as far as non-food consumption of animals is concerned, but otherwise they are way off!!!!
ahmedhusseinny 2 years ago
Lets see you support the slaughter of Millions of animals per year, and yet I am to believe you give a shit about them?
Listen here Kid, The REAL contributor to global warming, (I think ill listen to scientists over an idiot over this)
Is the Meat industry
And good, you pointed out that a Minority of the Farms dont inject animals with drugs
Good for you
But when you compare that to the 95% of farms that do it doesnt seem like much
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
So you are saying the Native Americans, (the people that killed the majority of the American buffalo/bison), never gave a shit about ANY animals as well.
Dude, leave your ego out of diet. Hell, even scientists say there's not such thing as global warming. I guess you believe that as well.
The only "scientists" that blame the meat industry are the ones that support PETA.
Also, there are more farms where I live that don't do that. So the % here is like 95% that DON'T inject animals w/ drugs.
ironman711 2 years ago
You do realize 95% of the worlds meat comes from factory farms
And what do factory farms put into animals? :)
Figure it out
And look at you
You are Killing and eating 28 million animals per year
And the animals you eat have been put in small cages and injected with drugs and have been beaten.
Native Americans didnt kill NEARLY as many as that
And the animals they killed roamed free
And were drug free :)
You dont give a SHIT about animals
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
Yet again, how am I single handedly killing 28 million animals per year? You still have yet to answer that the LAST time you said it lol.
And the vegetation you eat KILLS thousands of grounddwelling animals EVERYTIME your food is harvested.
Also, the vegetation the Native Americans consume was found in the wild as well and many people still kill animals that roam free and are drug free. ;)
YOU are the one who don't care about animals. You are just being guilty.
ironman711 2 years ago
And as i said before.......You are contributing to it so you are equally responsible.
You cant be 0.1% responsible you are 100% responsible
And btw RANDOM much?
*You killz mice in da soil!!*
Yea
You killz mice in da soil when you build your slaughter house, then you kill and torture 28 million more animals
Good for you
And RANDOM much
*Native americans collected plants in the wild....so some animals are drug free*
Well good im glad those 5% of animals arent injected with drugs
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
You can't be 0.1% responsible either, you too are 100% responsible for killing animals for your food.
And what do you mean "random"? I was just stating facts that you still kill animals, especially if you live in a house/apartment/condo. Take responsiblity or shut up.
ironman711 2 years ago
Hmmm anti vegetarian/vegan tactic #6
Reversing the blame to the vegan and completely disregard all personal responsibility.
You kill 28 million animals per year :)
And you know they were tortured
You dont give a shit about animals
And no amount of tricky words will get you out of that :)
irishjoesbar 2 years ago