It's funny people think this is like the first and last time ever in the history of all motorsports that handicapping has taken place... pretty much all production based series have had and has some kind of performance balancing built in the regulations. Otherwise it wouldn't be possible to have so different kind of cars on similar performance level.
it wasn´t the 4WD, but the turbo lag of the engine ... a turbo engine without 4WD just needed left food breaking too, to keep the turbo on preasure ...
I know about the turbo lag due to the huge single turbine , but it is the 4WD that allow the possibility of left foot breaking , only 4WD and especiallt Front wheel drive cars that use the technique the most and it is for other purpose such as , controling the weight distibution and something related to the differentiel aswell
americans =D HAHAHA they have to get handicap hahaha ..Audi just building better cars.. haha Like Volvo 242 Grupp-A the other teams hatet volvo just becuse they WON all the time.. We Europen are Bulding Good Cars thats it.. and we can DRIVE that we are bulding =D
it's nearly the same with every kind of gasoline engine's with throttle body. with the supercharger this effect will become much more intense. it's about the aerodynamics in the intake manifold, which getting disturbed by closing the throttels, if you can stay on the pedal and just use the brakes zu adjust the speed (only in a setain range of course), the engine will spool up much faster. simply try this at home :D (or with go-carts)
The most hilarious thing is that Stuck says 'at the end of my career at 37'. And then, besides everything, he goes on to win the Nordschleife 24 h in an E46 M3 GTR and has raced a Scirocco R-GT last year and 2 Sciroccos at the same time this year.
darkoneforce2 - it's because of expense. They want more teams to be able to compete. I think that is fine with the "lower rung" racing....but not in the ones factories compete in. As you said - it defeats the purpose because it cuts innovation.
the expense excuse only applys on F1 but it is sad to see how dull FIA making every single competition....IMO 80-90 and we can say to 2000 those were the best days ....
initialdamine - I agree that it has dulled down things....I was only giving the rationale they use: too expensive and complex. In F1 it would be unnecessary though because of the aerodynamics of open wheel race cars.
Indeed in F1 some teams budgets became stupdly high over 100million euros for a year , the small teams coudn't compete, but nowadays the FIA is just banning everything that could make a car faster ....I stoped watching F1 since 2005 and WRC since 2007 the only thing i still enjoy a bit are DTM and the japannese equivalent JGTC and some endurance race as lemans
initialdamine - you like DTM? I used to - but it's almost like NASCAR in America. All the DTM cars are very similar. It makes for close racing - but as was said - it stifles innovation. I still enjoy LeMans - but I can see where it's headed the same direction. Nothing we can really do...
@Amidat Yes the DTM is nice but unlike nascar the fact that the races are done in tracks make it fun to watch espcially with the high competition , but it is sad to watch only to carmarkes left competing , the good part is that they are thinking of making DTM and JGTC rules about the same so the car markers can go from one to the another competition. hopefully it will work
InitialDamine - yes - the DTM tracks are definitely more exciting than going around in a circle all day - lol. I was lamenting the cars - which are really just a shell - they don't relate to the street models in anyway and the rules handicap what can be done. Yes - that would be a decent change. I was unaware about the potential change.
yes but it is still only a project hopefully the FIA will let the change happens soo at least we get a great racing championship, I might watch F1 again especially with the come back of shummacher he is 4th in the qualification great perfomance for a first race in a while
@AnssiMarkkanen Just rubbish? Ask any European how they feel about Dan Gurney or Mark Donahue. About the ban, the reason why AWD was effectively banned in most motorsports later (BTCC, DTM, STCC, IMSA GTO, SCCA Trans Am) because they felt it would start an arms race in motorsports as often things like this do. Audi took an advantage in the showroom and made it effective in Motorsport, they should be congratulated, however many felt it was unfair unless they developed AWD too, countined....
@AnssiMarkkanen when Audi entered and dominated STW in Germany, Ford was working on an AWD system adapted from the Sierra production sedan. This made the racing so expensive that Ford dropped out of the STW half way through the year. For Theirry Boutsen he was driving for Toyota at Le Mans at the time, not a big lost. But as they dominated BTCC RAC banned AWD. It has nothing to do with Americans, British or Germans, its just an unfair advantage and adds to the cost of racing.
@AnssiMarkkanen not only america bans those things that are too good, in formula one its has happened alot of times when drivers won too much, and they do it in the Le mans races too
The Calibra and Alfa 155 also used 4WD, its use in the DTM ended when the ITC, successor of the first DTM which was discontinued after the 1995 season, died in 1996.
The new DTM's (launched in 2000) rules don't allow 4WD, simple as that.
It´s sad that when the americans are outclassed they simply ban everything that´s better instead of following, they could make AWD cars and try to keep up!! Audi ruled, no doubt!!! They have proven so many times that they are at the top of the food chain of racing and rallying!!
Awesome!!
I only drive audi quattro, both on ice/snow and on the road!
I love my audi 5000 turbo quattro it has 420 000 km and i still drive it every winter!!!! of course americans would ban the quattros cause they always have to be the best yet they never will be...
ante4wd - as companies move to electric vehicles there will be more and more AWD - because the "weight and fuel penalty" will be non existant because of how the drivetrains can be set up. Audi's E-tron concept at the auto shows elaborates.
@MXVWMatt it is a shame and Roush lobbied for rules changes, while SCCA allowed them to ditch the 2.5L Turbo 4 cylinder in the Merkur for chest thumping V8 which Pruett went on to win I belief two races at the end of the season. Audi and Group 44 would battle Roush and a young Robby Gordon along with Pete Haslmer in IMSA GTO with heavy backing from Mercury (Ford) and Whistler Radar Detectors. Ford has enjoyed an advantage of a turbocharged small displacement engine in SCCA Trans Am years before
@MXVWMatt I know 3 year is a long time but... It is&it is not - there is another side to that story. SCCA&IMSA where in a really difficult situation already with one basic question "what are we racing?". The thing is the GTO Quattro were really different, structurally, than the "ponies" and costed a lot more. Many team where already saying "the development in the 4-turbo and in the V6 is unfair, we need change in equivalency formula or more money". Audi get caught in an old political debate ;)
@seroyer2 IMO I believe Trans Am, had a chance to rival BTCC and DTM back in those days had the competition stepped up to take on Quattro with equal or better technology, as opposed to outlawing the "unfair advantage". I am a full patriotic citizen of the US, however, I feel our motorsport rules have crippled our auto industry, making it an uphill battle for our domestic brands against European and Asian imports. Racing (DTM, Rally, etc) give some of the best R&D you can get.
It's a good thing Europeans and FIA never cry about innovative American designs. They'd never change rules to outlaw Shelby or Chaparral cars. Nope.
sidewinderl 1 month ago
2 american cars fans watched this video
RealRapAndHiphp 6 months ago
it's the american way to complain when you are getting beat on a consistent basis by superior technology. take your ass whopping and learn from it.
drtoothpaste 11 months ago
Dear America shut the fuck up if u cant race ure races are rubbish anyway turn right for ones in your lives
fgtxpaco7458ss 1 year ago
i love how every Quattro vid always ends with somone bitching bout how unfair it is to get raped on a racetrack lol.
nickernosher 1 year ago 3
It's funny people think this is like the first and last time ever in the history of all motorsports that handicapping has taken place... pretty much all production based series have had and has some kind of performance balancing built in the regulations. Otherwise it wouldn't be possible to have so different kind of cars on similar performance level.
deggis4 1 year ago
before you guys bash americans. last i checked no one else in the world allows all wheel drive.
mattie701 1 year ago
lol He figured out that he needed to use left breaking on a 4WD car a bit late , he could have asked walter xD
InitialDAmine 2 years ago
it wasn´t the 4WD, but the turbo lag of the engine ... a turbo engine without 4WD just needed left food breaking too, to keep the turbo on preasure ...
TRMxWING 1 year ago
I know about the turbo lag due to the huge single turbine , but it is the 4WD that allow the possibility of left foot breaking , only 4WD and especiallt Front wheel drive cars that use the technique the most and it is for other purpose such as , controling the weight distibution and something related to the differentiel aswell
InitialDAmine 1 year ago
god damn Walter he wasn't even satisfied with his 2 WRC on group B he even won other stuff on road
InitialDAmine 2 years ago
americans =D HAHAHA they have to get handicap hahaha ..Audi just building better cars.. haha Like Volvo 242 Grupp-A the other teams hatet volvo just becuse they WON all the time.. We Europen are Bulding Good Cars thats it.. and we can DRIVE that we are bulding =D
volvotobbe 2 years ago
4:15 is brilliant. Now I know how to properly test drive a demo! :-))
sweenykim 2 years ago 2
yeah, that's the classic way to drive a turbo ;)
maladsyko 2 years ago 2
it's nearly the same with every kind of gasoline engine's with throttle body. with the supercharger this effect will become much more intense. it's about the aerodynamics in the intake manifold, which getting disturbed by closing the throttels, if you can stay on the pedal and just use the brakes zu adjust the speed (only in a setain range of course), the engine will spool up much faster. simply try this at home :D (or with go-carts)
PEOPLESX 2 years ago
The commentator is an idiot.
The name of the German driver is not Hans Stuck. It's Hans JOACHIM Stuck. Hans Stuck was his father.
verkorxt 2 years ago
i guess the jap duplicate this quatro model into SYKYLINE >nissan gtr > 5 pistons 2.5 liter
safzuan 2 years ago
The most hilarious thing is that Stuck says 'at the end of my career at 37'. And then, besides everything, he goes on to win the Nordschleife 24 h in an E46 M3 GTR and has raced a Scirocco R-GT last year and 2 Sciroccos at the same time this year.
PrimozResman 2 years ago 6
Striezel is so funny! :) he'll still race in 10 years!
webblaster2k2k2k2 2 years ago
owned....
seth0r 2 years ago
Audi cant be beaten
CMagalis 2 years ago 7
Give the Americans Aimbot!
slusken123 2 years ago
Same with the British Touring Cars in the 90's when Audi entered it's A4 quattro based cars. They were dominant and received big weight penalties.
Obli20v 3 years ago 6
American way: cant beat it? ban it! american cars/drivers are just rubbish.
AnssiMarkkanen 3 years ago 44
Not just the Americans. FIA in Europe has pretty much ban hammered Quattro.
FoxGTR34Nismo 2 years ago
FIA has hammered basically any new technology.
Active suspensions, active differential AWD, active dampers, active anti-roll and Co. all banned.
Racing improves the breed, pushing the envelope no longer applies these days.
darkoneforce2 2 years ago
darkoneforce2 - it's because of expense. They want more teams to be able to compete. I think that is fine with the "lower rung" racing....but not in the ones factories compete in. As you said - it defeats the purpose because it cuts innovation.
Amidat 2 years ago
the expense excuse only applys on F1 but it is sad to see how dull FIA making every single competition....IMO 80-90 and we can say to 2000 those were the best days ....
InitialDAmine 2 years ago
initialdamine - I agree that it has dulled down things....I was only giving the rationale they use: too expensive and complex. In F1 it would be unnecessary though because of the aerodynamics of open wheel race cars.
Amidat 2 years ago
Indeed in F1 some teams budgets became stupdly high over 100million euros for a year , the small teams coudn't compete, but nowadays the FIA is just banning everything that could make a car faster ....I stoped watching F1 since 2005 and WRC since 2007 the only thing i still enjoy a bit are DTM and the japannese equivalent JGTC and some endurance race as lemans
InitialDAmine 2 years ago
initialdamine - you like DTM? I used to - but it's almost like NASCAR in America. All the DTM cars are very similar. It makes for close racing - but as was said - it stifles innovation. I still enjoy LeMans - but I can see where it's headed the same direction. Nothing we can really do...
Amidat 2 years ago
@Amidat Yes the DTM is nice but unlike nascar the fact that the races are done in tracks make it fun to watch espcially with the high competition , but it is sad to watch only to carmarkes left competing , the good part is that they are thinking of making DTM and JGTC rules about the same so the car markers can go from one to the another competition. hopefully it will work
InitialDAmine 2 years ago
InitialDamine - yes - the DTM tracks are definitely more exciting than going around in a circle all day - lol. I was lamenting the cars - which are really just a shell - they don't relate to the street models in anyway and the rules handicap what can be done. Yes - that would be a decent change. I was unaware about the potential change.
Amidat 2 years ago
yes but it is still only a project hopefully the FIA will let the change happens soo at least we get a great racing championship, I might watch F1 again especially with the come back of shummacher he is 4th in the qualification great perfomance for a first race in a while
InitialDAmine 2 years ago
@AnssiMarkkanen Just rubbish? Ask any European how they feel about Dan Gurney or Mark Donahue. About the ban, the reason why AWD was effectively banned in most motorsports later (BTCC, DTM, STCC, IMSA GTO, SCCA Trans Am) because they felt it would start an arms race in motorsports as often things like this do. Audi took an advantage in the showroom and made it effective in Motorsport, they should be congratulated, however many felt it was unfair unless they developed AWD too, countined....
dj4monie 1 year ago
@AnssiMarkkanen when Audi entered and dominated STW in Germany, Ford was working on an AWD system adapted from the Sierra production sedan. This made the racing so expensive that Ford dropped out of the STW half way through the year. For Theirry Boutsen he was driving for Toyota at Le Mans at the time, not a big lost. But as they dominated BTCC RAC banned AWD. It has nothing to do with Americans, British or Germans, its just an unfair advantage and adds to the cost of racing.
dj4monie 1 year ago
@AnssiMarkkanen not only america bans those things that are too good, in formula one its has happened alot of times when drivers won too much, and they do it in the Le mans races too
2thermal 1 year ago
They've done the same thing in DTM, they've banned 4WD because Audi has won many champioships in the row...
hcbstrd 3 years ago 6
hcbstrd, that's wrong.
The Calibra and Alfa 155 also used 4WD, its use in the DTM ended when the ITC, successor of the first DTM which was discontinued after the 1995 season, died in 1996.
The new DTM's (launched in 2000) rules don't allow 4WD, simple as that.
Vallecrash 2 years ago
AUDI ROCKS! Gotta love the " If we can't win we don't want you to play" attitude of the SCCA.
MattTrecartin 3 years ago 4
It´s sad that when the americans are outclassed they simply ban everything that´s better instead of following, they could make AWD cars and try to keep up!! Audi ruled, no doubt!!! They have proven so many times that they are at the top of the food chain of racing and rallying!!
Awesome!!
I only drive audi quattro, both on ice/snow and on the road!
ante4wd 4 years ago 7
I love my audi 5000 turbo quattro it has 420 000 km and i still drive it every winter!!!! of course americans would ban the quattros cause they always have to be the best yet they never will be...
audigod 4 years ago 3
You do realize the BTCC also banned the Quattros? And pretty much the FIA?
FoxGTR34Nismo 2 years ago
quattro is addictive :)
spokismONE 2 years ago
ante4wd - as companies move to electric vehicles there will be more and more AWD - because the "weight and fuel penalty" will be non existant because of how the drivetrains can be set up. Audi's E-tron concept at the auto shows elaborates.
Amidat 2 years ago
Before they had seen the Audi on the tracks, everybody was laughing. After this season, I don't think anybody was laughing anymore. =)
Quattro + 5cyl = Victory
Gunhildstad 4 years ago 5
Because of Audi's dominance, SCCA banned both AWD and Non American engines in these races. It's a shame.
MXVWMatt 4 years ago 33
@MXVWMatt it is a shame and Roush lobbied for rules changes, while SCCA allowed them to ditch the 2.5L Turbo 4 cylinder in the Merkur for chest thumping V8 which Pruett went on to win I belief two races at the end of the season. Audi and Group 44 would battle Roush and a young Robby Gordon along with Pete Haslmer in IMSA GTO with heavy backing from Mercury (Ford) and Whistler Radar Detectors. Ford has enjoyed an advantage of a turbocharged small displacement engine in SCCA Trans Am years before
dj4monie 1 year ago
@MXVWMatt I know 3 year is a long time but... It is&it is not - there is another side to that story. SCCA&IMSA where in a really difficult situation already with one basic question "what are we racing?". The thing is the GTO Quattro were really different, structurally, than the "ponies" and costed a lot more. Many team where already saying "the development in the 4-turbo and in the V6 is unfair, we need change in equivalency formula or more money". Audi get caught in an old political debate ;)
therrydicule 1 year ago
@MXVWMatt Basically that rule has made IMSA and american road racing irrelevant in the world or sports car racing.
seroyer2 2 months ago
@seroyer2 IMO I believe Trans Am, had a chance to rival BTCC and DTM back in those days had the competition stepped up to take on Quattro with equal or better technology, as opposed to outlawing the "unfair advantage". I am a full patriotic citizen of the US, however, I feel our motorsport rules have crippled our auto industry, making it an uphill battle for our domestic brands against European and Asian imports. Racing (DTM, Rally, etc) give some of the best R&D you can get.
Neuwerks 2 months ago
Find a way, some way to keep the champ down. If that don't work then don't even invite them back the next time, lol.
Bryanmaxx 4 years ago 5
awesome!!!
maxh2o 4 years ago 5
awesome!!
FM77 4 years ago 5